The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:17 am

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 1:02 am this is a notice from beyond the grave you're being sued for gimmick infringement

I choose to infringe what I was programmed to infringe!

(A twist on one of my favorite Futurama quotes that happens to come from that episode. And with that I return to my uneasy rest.)

I agree that Luna and SVS are probably unaligned.
And Sabie is more likely scum than anyone else.

Yep, those are things.

I'm going to be tinfoiling so hard tomorrow.

I don’t think it’s possible that we have more than 1 scum left. Maybe 1 scum and 1 indie, but I’m treating it as if it’s just a lone baddie.

And tomorrow should be 3 on 1, I think, which means we could no lynch to force an extra day. I don’t know if that would be totally necessary, but it’s an option.

I did a quick scan of SVS's interactions with all of you guys. She spent a lot of energy early on pushing the idea of Enrique and Luna being connected somehow and, as I highlighted in my earlier analysis of Luna's posts, the two of them seemed to be at odds over a few things in the early stages of the game. I sense real tension coming from SVS in these interactions, and I don't think it indicates a partnership. I'm open to other interpretations, but I think Luna looks good in relation to SVS.

I was surprised by how little SVS interacted with nutella, given that they've both been fairly consistent participants in the game (at least, prior to the most recent phase when SVS kinda dropped off). nutella is mentioned as a secondary figure in a few of SVS's conversations in earlier stages, and when she (SVS) does start to talk directly about nutella, she waffles a bit (here and here). I could see it as an effort to try to initiate suspicion against a vocal civilian using a light touch, or as baddie partners trying put some distance between themselves without implicating one another. I read nutella as town overall, but she's fooled me very recently so I'm not totally comfortable committing to that read.

She barely interacts with sabie at all. The one episode they have together is this one, which I highlighted earlier. I can read it as partners who realized they hadn't said a word to each other and felt pressure to concoct some phony issue to put some distance between themselves. Sabie remains my top suspect.

There is similarly not much with speedchuck (like, nothing at all), but he was instrumental in each of the previous two lynches and I'm probably more comfortable sticking a town read on him than anyone at this point.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:15 pm And tomorrow should be 3 on 1, I think, which means we could no lynch to force an extra day. I don’t know if that would be totally necessary, but it’s an option.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:01 pm Is it LyLo??? Is it MyLo? It's something like that, but we don't No Lynch in the Socky Awards.

I don't know how serious this was, but it's a thing.

Yeah I am not expecting Jay to give us the option.

Cool. I don’t wanna do it anyway, I just wanted to make sure we’re checking all the boxes.

My only interaction with svs was to say I thought it was weird she said bye to the civs that died and she said she was upset so I felt bad because I was feeling super down. If that's the only thing you have to go on for me it's pretty weak. Sucks if I get mislynched this game. That hasnt happened to me since I've been back but I guess it happens to the best of us.

I think our last scum has to be between nutella and Sloonei. Remember the day 5 lynch?
Nutella started out voting DDL,

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:00 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:57 pm I only bring it up so as to not overlook the possibility of a coordinated push against you. RE: the votes on speedchuck

That could be a thing.

I don't think I've had but one vote on me before today, and that was from nutella I think?

I don't have Luna or Sabie sorted.

Wait did I ever vote for you? I don't think so unless it was early game. Anyway, I've liked the work you've been doing today. Can address some of your points on me in a bit. Also I think it's concerning how Luna and sabie are going after you after I and a couple other people brought you up as a possibility. I think they may be trying to save ddl. So for various reasons I am feeling much better about lynching ddl than lynching you.

[VOTE: ddl] aubergine

Then Sloonei says my vote on DDL is "yuck" and votes me instead. Nutella jumps on this and tries to start a conversation with Sloonei on why he thinks I'm bad (to push the narrative to lets talk about Luna being bad), and asks "do you think DDL is town?" This is in preparation to push the lynch away from DDL and onto me.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:56 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Big ass push on DDL is yuck.

Why blame luna more than g-man or anyone else for that matter? If anything I think Luna looks bad for pushing speed and then going back to ddl, so I think she and ddl are potential teamies. Do you think ddl is town?

Nutella then jumps on the Luna wagon quite quickly

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:51 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:24 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:56 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Big ass push on DDL is yuck.

I believe speedchuck did the "big ass pushing" with his post of DDL quotes. I simply saw a good case and joined it.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:59 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 6:56 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Big ass push on DDL is yuck.

Why blame luna more than g-man or anyone else for that matter? If anything I think Luna looks bad for pushing speed and then going back to ddl, so I think she and ddl are potential teamies. Do you think ddl is town?

I don't blame luna. I just think she's a shady looking person that's not DDL.

The big push against DDL in general has me second guessing the suspicion against him. Luna is an alternative.

Actually, literally everyone else here is an alternative.

Lol ok [VOTE: Luna] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:47 pm I'm feeling the Luna vote guys come on let's do it

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:47 pm I'm feeling the Luna vote guys come on let's do it

me too

And SVS is her teammate.

Sloonei's "And SVS is her teammate" feels like so much TMI.

If it's not nutella, it has to be Sloonei. If scum could have kept one of their own from being lynched on Day 5, they could have won the game. Which means at this point it would make no sense not to go all in on a counter-wagon despite how scummy it looks. DDL didn't seem to be around to change his vote, so it was left up to the remaining scum to save the day. We already know SVS was one, and she happily joined the DDL counter-wagon. It has to be between Sloonei and nutella. Sloonei actually voted me first because he was paranoid that the DDL wagon was "too easy." Nutella was quick to engage him and jump on it though, as was SVS.

Day 5 poll for reference:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:18 pm I won't be here at EoD. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

It's really the only decent case I've made in this game, I don't suspect anyone else. Sorry for my lousy effort, guys.

Also there's this. Not a good look for nutella at all.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention] I never criticized your vote for DDL specifically. As I explained at the time, I didn’t like the way votes had piled onto DDL with no resistance. I switched to you because you were next on my list at the time, not because I had any particular thoughts on your vote.

I didn’t really read the rest of your post just yet, but I wanted to make this clarification.

Sabie remains my top suspect by a comfortable margin, followed by nutella. Luna and speedchuck are closer to being trusted.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:12 pm @Lunalee I never criticized your vote for DDL specifically. As I explained at the time, I didn’t like the way votes had piled onto DDL with no resistance. I switched to you because you were next on my list at the time, not because I had any particular thoughts on your vote.

I didn’t really read the rest of your post just yet, but I wanted to make this clarification.

Okay, so you voted me as "not-an-easy-lynch-suspect-#2" since DDL was "too-easy-to-lynch-suspect-#1"

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:14 pm Sabie remains my top suspect by a comfortable margin, followed by nutella. Luna and speedchuck are closer to being trusted.

how does sabie look worse than nutella? She at least was on board with lynching SVS, when nutella did her weird waffle switch to me at the end.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:47 pm I'm feeling the Luna vote guys come on let's do it

me too

And SVS is her teammate.

Sloonei's "And SVS is her teammate" feels like so much TMI.

Can you explain the TMI thing here?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:20 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:04 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 8:47 pm I'm feeling the Luna vote guys come on let's do it

me too

And SVS is her teammate.

Sloonei's "And SVS is her teammate" feels like so much TMI.

Can you explain the TMI thing here?

Almost like Sloonei knows SVS is bad because they are teammates. He ties her to me, we lynch me, then he can say, "Guess I was wrong about SVS too..." OR, SVS gets lynch first (somehow), and Sloonei can then go back to this to campaign for a townie lynch.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:09 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:18 pm I won't be here at EoD. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

It's really the only decent case I've made in this game, I don't suspect anyone else. Sorry for my lousy effort, guys.

Also there's this. Not a good look for nutella at all.

At the time he left the thread I was looking like the most likely counterwagon he could hope for. He'd been going after me all game anyway so was hoping for that mislynch to gain traction over his wagon.


I'm not bad and you are reading into things in a way that doesn't really make sense. I can see the theory for sloonei though, but I'm not convinced he's more likely than sabie.. yet. Still time to think about that though.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:14 pm Sabie remains my top suspect by a comfortable margin, followed by nutella. Luna and speedchuck are closer to being trusted.

how does sabie look worse than nutella? She at least was on board with lynching SVS, when nutella did her weird waffle switch to me at the end.

Exactly.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:09 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:18 pm I won't be here at EoD. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

It's really the only decent case I've made in this game, I don't suspect anyone else. Sorry for my lousy effort, guys.

Also there's this. Not a good look for nutella at all.

At the time he left the thread I was looking like the most likely counterwagon he could hope for. He'd been going after me all game anyway so was hoping for that mislynch to gain traction over his wagon.


I'm not bad and you are reading into things in a way that doesn't really make sense. I can see the theory for sloonei though, but I'm not convinced he's more likely than sabie.. yet. Still time to think about that though.

I just find it really hard to believe that there was only one scum on DDL's counter-wagon at MYLO

[mention]nutella[/mention] Also, you said I'm reading into things in a way that doesn't really make sense. Please explain what didn't make sense.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:34 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:09 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 5:18 pm I won't be here at EoD. [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

It's really the only decent case I've made in this game, I don't suspect anyone else. Sorry for my lousy effort, guys.

Also there's this. Not a good look for nutella at all.

At the time he left the thread I was looking like the most likely counterwagon he could hope for. He'd been going after me all game anyway so was hoping for that mislynch to gain traction over his wagon.


I'm not bad and you are reading into things in a way that doesn't really make sense. I can see the theory for sloonei though, but I'm not convinced he's more likely than sabie.. yet. Still time to think about that though.

I just find it really hard to believe that there was only one scum on DDL's counter-wagon at MYLO

Because I didn't end up actually gaining traction as a viable candidate, but DDL wasn't online again to vote on the actual counterwagon which was you

Wait nvm you meant votes on you didn't you. I'm confused lol

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:41 pm @nutella Also, you said I'm reading into things in a way that doesn't really make sense. Please explain what didn't make sense.

You ascribed weird motives to my exchange with sloonei. I wasn't trying to push it toward you. I asked if he thought DDL was town because I could not understand why he would have thought so at that point.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:56 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:41 pm @nutella Also, you said I'm reading into things in a way that doesn't really make sense. Please explain what didn't make sense.

You ascribed weird motives to my exchange with sloonei. I wasn't trying to push it toward you. I asked if he thought DDL was town because I could not understand why he would have thought so at that point.

Those motives were ascribed while I wore my "nutella may be scum" glasses. So I said what I thought your motives would be if you're scum.

Well those glasses are just making shit up then. :P

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:17 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:14 pm Sabie remains my top suspect by a comfortable margin, followed by nutella. Luna and speedchuck are closer to being trusted.

how does sabie look worse than nutella? She at least was on board with lynching SVS, when nutella did her weird waffle switch to me at the end.

Sabie was only reluctantly on board with the SVS lynch after spending a big part of the day trying to lynch you (a campaign which she still has not dropped), and when it was inevitable that she would be lynched. Nutella jumped off the ship for the exact same reason I abandoned the DDL vote a day earlier, at a time when there was absolutely no reason for scum to rock the boat unless they were going for mega WIFOM points. I don’t think these nutella waffles are a bad thing.

I should also add that I’m not thrilled by sabie’s response to the suspicion against her these last few days. She has repeatedly brushed it all off as “weak” without really addressing the actual points against her. Most recently, she has rejected my point about her SVS interactions as weak because she only had the one small interaction with her. the reason I find her suspicious is not the interaction itself, but the fact that it’s the only time they really acknowledged each other at all in the game. Just like SVS and DDL never really talked to each other, sabie and SVS were noticeably light on one another. I sense a bit of resignation in sabie’s self-defense.

Short on time again, so I cannot provide the spoiler flourishes.

Lunalee was killed. She was a vanilla civilian and the presenter for Best Civilian Team Victory.

Lunalee wrote:Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:14 pm

It is now time to announce the Best Civilian Victory!

First here's some unique facts about this particular game:
It only lasted until Day 3
Two scum were lynched
No civilians died
77 pages of posts were made

Can you guess the winner?

Spoiler: show

Go check out this masterpiece of a game here!

Day 7 begins and will last 24 hours.

RIP Luna.

My thoughts are somewhere around 87% sabie, 9% sloonei and 4% speed.[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

70% sabie, 25% nutella, 5% speed.

putting a vote on sabie as well.

sabie votes for me, which prompts a mildly interesting thought: her target the last few days has been luna. Now luna's been nightkilled. Do we think sabie would do that?

RIP Luna sorry I thought you were sketchy. Going with sloonei since he's the one making the biggest case against me and I know I'm not bad. I don't even know what the case against me is. That I was bad at finding the baddies this game? I wasn't the only one. I'm pretty sure who ever the remaining baddie is killed off Luna to make me look bad since I was suspecting her. I pretty much figured that was going to be their move. I mean if I was the remaining baddie why would I openly kill off the person I was suspicious of? Wouldn't you kill someone else off and then lead a lynch on the person you've been suspecting? Or maybe I'm wrong. Either way good job at making me look bad baddies. I was super hoping to finally have a civ win for once.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:22 pm sabie votes for me, which prompts a mildly interesting thought: her target the last few days has been luna. Now luna's been nightkilled. Do we think sabie would do that?

The way you are commenting on this makes me want to increase your percentage.

Oh but sabie has an excuse ready hmmm

Lol yeah nvm that post nearly confirms sabie is bad

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:28 pm Lol yeah nvm that post nearly confirms sabie is bad

How? I'm saying why would I be that stupid. I mean I've played poorly but I'm not dumb. If I were bad I would have done things differently. If you guys really do think I'm that dumb though then oh well.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:26 pm RIP Luna sorry I thought you were sketchy. Going with sloonei since he's the one making the biggest case against me and I know I'm not bad. I don't even know what the case against me is. That I was bad at finding the baddies this game? I wasn't the only one. I'm pretty sure who ever the remaining baddie is killed off Luna to make me look bad since I was suspecting her. I pretty much figured that was going to be their move. I mean if I was the remaining baddie why would I openly kill off the person I was suspicious of? Wouldn't you kill someone else off and then lead a lynch on the person you've been suspecting? Or maybe I'm wrong. Either way good job at making me look bad baddies. I was super hoping to finally have a civ win for once.

Bad sabie would kill luna so she could make a post like this as a hail mary.

I’ve “made a case against you” because I’ve spent a lot of time ISOing everybody. You wre the person i came out if that exercise most suspicious of.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:22 pm sabie votes for me, which prompts a mildly interesting thought: her target the last few days has been luna. Now luna's been nightkilled. Do we think sabie would do that?

The way you are commenting on this makes me want to increase your percentage.

I think it’s worth talking about.

My answer was going to be “yes”, and my reasoning was going to be basically what she just laid out in her post above. If sabie is bad, she sees the writing on the wall. She needs to shake it up. An easy way to do that would be to kill off the person she’s been pushing suspicion against and see if she can shift some blame onto somebody else.

That’s exactly what she’s going for, in her own words.

Well good job whichever of you is bad. You've successfully created a scapegoat out of me. Guess I gotta wait a whole 24 hours for that to be revealed but whatevz. Guess that means I can just go live my life and not bother with this anymore. Congrats to you.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:55 pm Well good job whichever of you is bad. You've successfully created a scapegoat out of me. Guess I gotta wait a whole 24 hours for that to be revealed but whatevz. Guess that means I can just go live my life and not bother with this anymore. Congrats to you.

This isn’t lost if you’re a civilian. I don’t think either of us have made up our minds, and speedchuck isn’t even here yet. Try to help us turn this thing around.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:22 pm sabie votes for me, which prompts a mildly interesting thought: her target the last few days has been luna. Now luna's been nightkilled. Do we think sabie would do that?

The way you are commenting on this makes me want to increase your percentage.

Why did you find this suspicious, nutella?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:28 pm Lol yeah nvm that post nearly confirms sabie is bad

How? I'm saying why would I be that stupid. I mean I've played poorly but I'm not dumb. If I were bad I would have done things differently. If you guys really do think I'm that dumb though then oh well.

We don't think you're dumb. Just taking advantage of a WIFOM excuse. It's actually a smart move but if you show your hand with an unprompted line it's not the most effective.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:27 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 11, 2019 9:22 pm sabie votes for me, which prompts a mildly interesting thought: her target the last few days has been luna. Now luna's been nightkilled. Do we think sabie would do that?

The way you are commenting on this makes me want to increase your percentage.

I think it’s worth talking about.

My answer was going to be “yes”, and my reasoning was going to be basically what she just laid out in her post above. If sabie is bad, she sees the writing on the wall. She needs to shake it up. An easy way to do that would be to kill off the person she’s been pushing suspicion against and see if she can shift some blame onto somebody else.

That’s exactly what she’s going for, in her own words.

I agree, but to answer your question in the following post, it also occurred to me that you could have done it in order to make the comment that you did to set up sabie.

Sabie if you really are town please don't give up now for our sake. If you think someone is setting you up make a case for who and why.

Your resignation only makes you look worse.

I am civ I don't want the civs to lose because of me getting mislynched. Idk sloonei is the one making a major case against me. Nutella is the one who randomly tried to get a different train going instead of svs. And I had brought up suspicion on speed before. I'd have to do a bit more reading and such to figure it out.