LGBT+ Mafia [END - Mafia Win]

[Ranmilia]

[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

[Ranmilia]

It's probably Hally

[Mistyx]

What do you think about MP7's case on Hally?

i think it's definitely a case

i'm actually more interested in where MP would go after hally if they flip and game doesn't end

What do you think about Hally. In general.

okay

i think cayvie was probably more likely to townread her partner than vice versa here, and the hyena shot backs up the idea that cayvie was powerwolfing, so that's probably a good look for hally

What do you think about Hally claiming scum multiple times on day 1

what do you think about hally claiming town on d1?

i'd think the scumclaims feel sloppy if town but possibly WIFOMy as scum and they'd probably look worse without the townclaim?

What do you think about Hally having zero tinfoil on me despite both dead town saying "Ran's powerwolfing"

What do you think about NOBODY having any tinfoil on me. I saw those posts and groaned like "TSP whyyyy" and expected to spend a good chunk of the day on tinfoil defense for myself, not tinfoil defense for Hally

the second quote of this sort of makes me not need to answer the first? but like

this game feels undirected like everyone is just following their own PoE

What do you think about MP7 having thirty two thousand posts on this forum, where I've gathered excessive AtE is usually discouraged as a thread rule, and making those latest posts

Do you think we should be like. Policy voting that? Just so we won't get laughed at aftergame by people going "haha, u should've known never to listen to AtE"

nah

I've been AtEing as well, this has been an overall emotional day for everyone for some reason - i don't think they're particularly AI

[Mistyx]

[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

It's probably Hally

i'm obligated to ask about this, even though I think i know the answer

[Hally]

I can’t really do this anymore it’s driving me crazy I’ll be back when I’m less angsty I just don’t know if I can make it in time I’m really sorry

aaaahh idk what to do with these posts. i will feel so bad if you’re actually town. like im really sorry if i’ve frustrated you but i promise im trying my best here. im sorry we haven’t clicked this game and if you’re town that’s on me for not seeing it when you were trying to work with me. hhnn i just feel bad now if i actually made you feel this way. i don’t even know if i should take these posts as AI or just ignore them or what. someone help please

[Hally]

What do you think about MP7's case on Hally?

i think it's definitely a case

i'm actually more interested in where MP would go after hally if they flip and game doesn't end

why is this what interests you mist?

[Ranmilia]

It's probably Hally because Cayvie's a gamer.

I AM policy never voting Hally here though and I don't think they should be voted in f3 either.

[Hally]

just ftr i scum claimed this game because i wanted to take a page out of spf’s book. she does scum claims for reactions a lot as town so i wanted to do it too

[Ranmilia]

(It's probably not Hally. These posts are like TSP's "Ran is powerwolfing.")

[Hally]

also re: ran powerwolfing tinfoil i don’t get it because even if ran is a wolf she is clearly not power wolfing. bussing is not power wolfing. and when i look at rans play in a holistic sense i don’t see someone whos just trying yo ram their reads down people’s throats, which is what i associate with power wolfing. to me rans play is clearly the opposite. she’s engaging people in what i think is good faith and seems genuinely unsure but still trying to solve. so i think she’s just town

[Ranmilia]

I do seriously think I may have miscleared Sabie too easily. Sabie is back on the table.

But

It could all go either way :/

[Hally]

i don’t know what to do here

like i feel like we’re all so stressed and upset over this game and i just feel bad like following through with my suspicions because i don’t wanna upset anyone and i can’t tell who is faking their AtE

[Ranmilia]

Ok nevermind it's not Hally. Thank you for expressing my sentiments more precisely though.

[Hally]

or maybe everyone’s emotions are just real but don’t actually make them town. like when im scum i try to appropriate scummy emotions and like channel them in a way i would as town. probably the last wolf is doing that as opposed to faking entirely. mm i think i should just ignore it as far as my reads go because idk how to weigh those sorts of posts objectively

[Hally]

Ok nevermind it's not Hally. Thank you for expressing my sentiments more precisely though.

yes but who is itttt. like idk what to do. i feel like ill feel bad no matter who i vote for

like why do you think we miscleared sabie?

[Hally]

well as long as we can narrow it down to two ppl we have the game locked. right now my inclination is still that those two people should be mp/mist but im open to hearing concerns about sabie too

[Hally]

im just gonna reread the whole game, specifically focusing on stuff re: cayvie and see what i find

[Hally]

mist what are your reads?

i disagree with you saying cayvie's theory wasn't a real thought, i had the same thought at first but she stuck with the read under pressure which i think is worth a good bit

i think hyena beginning non-serious discussion then moving out of it when he felt the time was right is probably a good look, like, flow-wise if that makes any sense

that's all for now

hm. re: hyena i generally find it >rand wolf to be eager to move out of fluff because i think wolves are more self conscious about wanting to make a stronger first impression. but it’s also kinda person specific so idk

i don't think it's particularly alignment indicative for hyena (on ToS it's very rare that we ever do move out of fluff anyway)

but i think the progression of making an impact in fluffphase and then doing the same in gamephase is more town-indicative

idk that makes more sense in my head

rip, yea i’m not really following. i don’t think what i said is like a hard and fast tell anyway, so meh. also i forgot you and hyena are from the same home site!

oh and re: cayvie wdym she stuck with it under pressure? she kinda peaced out as soon as i voted her. i actually voted her partly to see if she would stay and argue for ot more but then she left

quoting for ref

so when i asked mist what her read on cayvie is, she said that she liked that cayvie argued her hyena/me theory under pressure. and when i pushed back on that and pointed out that cayvie kinda dipped once i voted her over it mist never responded to that

[Ranmilia]

Frankly I have no idea who it is.

Sabie had some awkward interactions with Cayvie. I quoted two of the more hair-raising posts on the previous page. She's also not posted much today, and her engagement has felt limited to herself and a focus on things that I don't understand or find very useful, like asking what people think of Cayvie's WIFOM-filled talk about the vengeful mafia. A lot of role related stuff in her ISO.

But maybe I'm just talking past her?

Mist had some awkward interactions with Cayvie and called her top two town. She's also not posted much today, and her engagement has felt very bare bones, I've doubted her reads.

But maybe her Sabie read is accurate and she just misread Cayvie.

MP7 had some awkward interactions with Cayvie... or rather around Cayvie, barely existing at the same time before Cayvie vanished, and townread her. She's also not posted much today, and her engagement has felt like etc etc

But maybe she's just busy and having a hard time as town etc etc

[Hally]

cayvie

tony
misty

sabie
hally
scirry
hyenie

(mp)

cayvie’s reads

need to see if she ever gave an explanation for mp’s placement

[Ranmilia]

At the time Cayvie posted that readlist, MP had made only a single post.

[Hally]

i don’t think cayvie’s me/hyena vengeful bussing theory is a real thought

[VOTE: cayvie] aubergine

Hey Hally, can you talk to me more about this? I'm not sure I really understand it.

mp’s reaction to my vote on cayvie

(sorry im spamming these quotes i just want them all in one place so i can see everyone’s progression on cayvie)

[Ranmilia]

Cayvie exited the thread 11PM Wednesday. (All timestamps my own timezone.)

Returned to say "Hello MP!", post that readlist and naked vote Hyena at 11:30AM Thursday.

Returned once more around 8PM Thursday, posted a few replies to people and vanished never to return.

MP7 did not start posting serious content in the thread until ~5PM Thursday. When she does, it's a flurry of posts...

alison i once wrote a grant that included the line "this proposal puts the LGBTQ in 'eligibility requirements' "

cayvie locktown haha

i don’t think cayvie’s me/hyena vengeful bussing theory is a real thought

[VOTE: cayvie] aubergine

Hey Hally, can you talk to me more about this? I'm not sure I really understand it.

[Ranmilia]

mp! <3 where u at i wanna show you i can like make posts now

I'm proud of you hehe!

Seriously just glad we get to play together again, I promise I'll try not to wrongly death tunnel you this time, hahaha.

[Ranmilia]

[VOTE: MP7] aubergine

[Hally]

i don’t think cayvie’s me/hyena vengeful bussing theory is a real thought

[VOTE: cayvie] aubergine

Hey Hally, can you talk to me more about this? I'm not sure I really understand it.

idk it just felt so random. like why would mafia cross-bus or distance right from the start just so they can use the vengeful kill. i don’t get what about hyenas interaction with me would come across that way

so here’s me responding to mp and explaining why i voted cayvie. i can’t find where mp responds to this though, which is notable because she responded to a lot of other things i posted around that time. so both mp and mist seemed to just ignore me trying to explain my cayvie read directly to them. idk that doesn’t really help narrow it down does it

[Ranmilia]

I read these ISOs and I just want to vote for everyone.

[Ranmilia]

zomg everyone is mafia

[Hally]

mist, tony, mp town

sabie, sc null

cayvie, hyena hmmm

Talk to me about Tony if you don't mind.

so i have cayvie at the bottom of my reads list, but mp asks about tony. idk maybe im nitpicking but it feels like mp did not want to talk about/acknowledge my sr of cayvie or take a stance on her early on

[Hally]

i don’t see where/if cayvie explains why mp was so low. she just focuses on pushing hyena seems like

i also don’t see where/if mp responded to her being so low on cayvie’s list

[Ranmilia]

(both of those are explained via timestamps above: MP7 did not exist in the thread when cayvie posted that list)

(but keep going, you're almost to the juicy part)

[Hally]

thinkin mp and cayvie

That would actually be a lot of fun.

I need to spend some more time in cayvie's head actually. I feel relatively confident about my ability to read her comparatively.

idk. hyena/??

like hyena acted real weird over the rest of the day. im not the first to mention all the hedging but i noticed it too

Why does him acting weird make you think scum, like... can you expand on the A --> B --> C part of this, where A is Hyena = acted real weird and C is naming Hyena on your scum team. What is B?

ok so tony calls out an mp/cayvie scum team. mp responds by jokingly dismissing it. then the very next post is her saying she needs to try to read cayvie. then a couple of posts later is when she first interacts with cayvie over Game Stuff

to blunt, i don’t like this sequence. to me this looks like scum!mp getting flustered that someone has actually called the team and going “oh shit, i haven’t actually had any meaningful interactions with her or pretended to solve her, i better do that now.” but like, mp says she has experience with cayvie and feels relatively confident she can read her, so why is this the first time i see her actually attempting to do that despite cayvie being very active up until that point and getting voted by me?

[Ranmilia]

ding ding ding

[Hally]

that sequence is bad. mp was not trying to solve cayvies alignment or engage with my push on her until tony named her as cayvie’s partner. this was despite cayvie being one of the most active posters in the pages leading up to that and mp singling cayvie out as someone she should read more easily. yet there is a lack of actual attempts to read cayvie until tony makes that post. in fact mp actually seemed to be avoiding interacting with cayvie or taking a stance on her up until that point. she asked me about my vote and never even followed up. she also spends time on hyena and talks about hyenas read of cayvie but doesn’t actually read cayvie herself. im only on page 7 and gonna keep reading but mp looks worse than i remember

[Hally]

Annnnd I'm caught up, okay!

[VOTE: Cayvie] aubergine

Thinkin my vote goes here right now. By and large I agree with my fellow IC TSP. Cayvie had an awkward entry, awkward interjection in the Hally/Hyena thing, and instant why me fry me when TSP scumreads her, while pointing only to Hyena (looking like LHF town to me) as a suspect. Pretty level 1 stuff but it is what I have right now.

MP7 is definitely an outlier. Hard to say whether that's due to personality (Fire type, wow!) and lack of time or being mafia. I share Hally's suspicion of the pocket attempt but don't think it worked. Also a very weird response, seeming to not understand TSP is calling her + cayvie as vote candidates? Also she called Hyena "self-resolving" which makes me go hmmmmmmmmm.

Sabie doesn't have much down still. Would appreciate some discussion with her. Sabie, who do you think is mafia and why? What do you think about the use of subtitles in the original Star Wars trilogy, and their absence for R2-D2 and Chewbacca?

Minor Mist tinfoil but mostly feeling good there. Think Hally is town, their state of mind is palpable.

Hyena... is hard to follow for me but in a way that makes me think they are town. The thoughts seem genuine, as the kids say, and unagenda'd. "I was worried I would look w/w with Hally because if Evenstar was in this game and we were w/w Evenstar would bus me" is a heck of a take to manufacture.

here’s where ran votes cayvie for the first time. up until now only tony and me had expressed suspicions on cayvie so ran definitely didn’t need to bus atp. and her push is strong. she’s even harder on cayvie than i was. it doesn’t seem like she’s trying to give herself outs here and actually she has an out if she wants it (that her sus on cayvie is too level 1) but she dismisses it and votes cayvie anyway. this doesn’t look like a bus to me

[Hally]

Annnnd I'm caught up, okay!

[VOTE: Cayvie] aubergine

Thinkin my vote goes here right now. By and large I agree with my fellow IC TSP. Cayvie had an awkward entry, awkward interjection in the Hally/Hyena thing, and instant why me fry me when TSP scumreads her, while pointing only to Hyena (looking like LHF town to me) as a suspect. Pretty level 1 stuff but it is what I have right now.

MP7 is definitely an outlier. Hard to say whether that's due to personality (Fire type, wow!) and lack of time or being mafia. I share Hally's suspicion of the pocket attempt but don't think it worked. Also a very weird response, seeming to not understand TSP is calling her + cayvie as vote candidates? Also she called Hyena "self-resolving" which makes me go hmmmmmmmmm.

Sabie doesn't have much down still. Would appreciate some discussion with her. Sabie, who do you think is mafia and why? What do you think about the use of subtitles in the original Star Wars trilogy, and their absence for R2-D2 and Chewbacca?

Minor Mist tinfoil but mostly feeling good there. Think Hally is town, their state of mind is palpable.

Hyena... is hard to follow for me but in a way that makes me think they are town. The thoughts seem genuine, as the kids say, and unagenda'd. "I was worried I would look w/w with Hally because if Evenstar was in this game and we were w/w Evenstar would bus me" is a heck of a take to manufacture.

I'm more of a trekkie to be honest but they put subtitles for everything like music and random sound effects so it seems silly not to include them.
As far as who is mafia? Ehhh I'm not sure yet. Thoughts are maybe cayvie or hally? I've been reading this game but not fully processing all of it. Plus I kinda tldr'd the random pokemon stuff. I don't know if that's like some kind of inside joke or something I wasn't sure what was going on there.
(I'm just stressed about other stuff not annoyed about anything here in the game. I'm trying. I hope maybe after getting some sleep I can be more productive.)

sabies first mention of cayvie. gotta see how the read develops

[Hally]

Annnnd I'm caught up, okay!

[VOTE: Cayvie] aubergine

Thinkin my vote goes here right now. By and large I agree with my fellow IC TSP. Cayvie had an awkward entry, awkward interjection in the Hally/Hyena thing, and instant why me fry me when TSP scumreads her, while pointing only to Hyena (looking like LHF town to me) as a suspect. Pretty level 1 stuff but it is what I have right now.

MP7 is definitely an outlier. Hard to say whether that's due to personality (Fire type, wow!) and lack of time or being mafia. I share Hally's suspicion of the pocket attempt but don't think it worked. Also a very weird response, seeming to not understand TSP is calling her + cayvie as vote candidates? Also she called Hyena "self-resolving" which makes me go hmmmmmmmmm.

Sabie doesn't have much down still. Would appreciate some discussion with her. Sabie, who do you think is mafia and why? What do you think about the use of subtitles in the original Star Wars trilogy, and their absence for R2-D2 and Chewbacca?

Minor Mist tinfoil but mostly feeling good there. Think Hally is town, their state of mind is palpable.

Hyena... is hard to follow for me but in a way that makes me think they are town. The thoughts seem genuine, as the kids say, and unagenda'd. "I was worried I would look w/w with Hally because if Evenstar was in this game and we were w/w Evenstar would bus me" is a heck of a take to manufacture.

How does Hyena look like LHF?

What do you mean by me being an outlier? What do you mean by don't think it worked? Where did I not understand TSP saying that? Based on my experience with Hyena, he was pretty obvious town part-way through the game so...?

Why are you mostly feeling good about Mist?

mp’s response to ran voting cayvie is to... ask about everything except ran’s vote on cayvie. up to this point mp still has not outed any sort of read on cayvie from what i can see

[Hally]

Hey Hally! Yeah, I got to it just now.

Thanks for responding anyway. Is there anything you want my opinion on?

any thoughts on cayvie? or ran’s entrance? or maybe sabie (heh that rhymes)?

Let me ISO cayvie momentarily actually.

Ran's entrance is fine I guess? I need to talk to her I think, our brains probably aren't very similar and that's okay!

Sabie seems genuinely perturbed but I'm not sure how to gain anything alignment-indicative. Maybe I'll quickly ISO her too and see if I can pick at anything.

i ask mp directly for her read on cayvie and she says she needs to iso her. but why? why does mp not yet have any thoughts on cayvie on page 10 despite singling cayvie out as the person she’s most comfortable reading? it feels like mp has been making a concerted effort up to this point to not talk about cayvie or people’s suspicions of her

[Tangrowth]

You know what, I'm so beyond frustrated and confused just yeet me already and have fun in F3. It's not anyone else's fault it's entirely my own, I just feel ashamed. I don't want anyone to feel bad. My thoughts on Hally were not designed to be a fucking case. They are not a case. I don't appreciate them being interpreted as such. I really don't know who the person is but my gut thinks it's most likely Hally and I don't know if I believe that anymore. Just you know what, I suck this game, I deserve it anyway. I couldn't figure out cayvie at all just because I was really afraid to misyeet her again after she was really unconventional in our practice game, and honestly if you look at my ISO for non-cayvie reads too you won't find them I only town read Hally on D1 for the most part because I could never find my groove this game and I certainly don't have it now.

[Ranmilia]

Mrglrgl. Feeling tired. But last time--

(Yeah Hally is going over all the stuff again, this is why I had MP as the correct vote before paranoia land)

[Tangrowth]

And honestly I have my own thoughts on the excessive AtE rule but I always hated its recent implementation for this exact reason because now I feel even more ashamed for even getting emotional about a game.

[Tangrowth]

I'm so going back on break after this, I just cannot handle playing these games anymore. I'm really sorry to everyone.

[Tangrowth]

Maybe it is just sabie or Mist and I'm an idiot.

[Tangrowth]

No bad labels dammit.

[Hally]

cayvie's ISO is pretty funny. Otherwise I'm not totally sure I understand the Hyena/Hally train of thought exactly, but it seems to be lacking strategy to me. I don't think she's scum.

and this is the result of that iso

how does mp get from “iso is pretty funny” and “i don’t get the hyena/hally train of thought” to “i dont think cayvie is scum”? the process here is invisible to me. i cant see what led mp to that conclusion

[Tangrowth]

I doubt I'll be back before the deadline at this rate so that's great. I don't know what to do.

[Hally]

cayvie's ISO is pretty funny. Otherwise I'm not totally sure I understand the Hyena/Hally train of thought exactly, but it seems to be lacking strategy to me. I don't think she's scum.

what makes you feel she’s not scum? its ok if its just a feeling

Maybe it's silly but like... reading through the stuff she said on you and Hyena reads more like a townie with a perhaps unconventional theory than a wolf trying to fake content.

follow up to cayvie read

[Ranmilia]

You know what, I'm so beyond frustrated and confused just yeet me already and have fun in F3. It's not anyone else's fault it's entirely my own, I just feel ashamed. I don't want anyone to feel bad. My thoughts on Hally were not designed to be a fucking case. They are not a case. I don't appreciate them being interpreted as such. I really don't know who the person is but my gut thinks it's most likely Hally and I don't know if I believe that anymore. Just you know what, I suck this game, I deserve it anyway. I couldn't figure out cayvie at all just because I was really afraid to misyeet her again after she was really unconventional in our practice game, and honestly if you look at my ISO for non-cayvie reads too you won't find them I only town read Hally on D1 for the most part because I could never find my groove this game and I certainly don't have it now.

Wh...
...

you're the only person who has placed a vote today besides me, and it's still on hally
what do you mean it's not a case

I'm sorry you're having a bad time, I understand you are busy, but this level of AtE is causing me and probably others to not have a good time as well and if I engage with this more I'm going to have a worse time. Good luck in your endeavors.

[Tangrowth]

That's fine, I just make games unfun, I'm done and I'm out of time anyway. Have a fun game. Sorry I ruined it for everyone.

[Hally]

I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.

more cayvie/sabie stuff. still kinda hedging. idk what to take from this so far