The Syndicate

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:08 am is it safe to come out now

TS has always been LGBT friendly

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:48 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:42 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:37 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:36 am epi you seriously need to rethink your reads

Why?

because they're based on things like Ender "hedging" his reads for perfectly valid reasons. You're basically policy saying not being confident in your reads is scummy, which is ridiculous. Enders case of not caring about his reads is pretty NAI and you probably should know this just based on Ender's responses and my backing up the idea, on top of just... probably shouldn't think not being confident in your reads is scummy no matter what?

This is just one example but pretty much every read you've given this game can be explained in 2 ways which is you're just a tunneling towny who isn't actually thinking about things or a wolf, honestly the first is disappointingly believable but it's getting kinda ridiculous to me at this point and I don't know what to do about it so I'd rather you just start like fairly evaluating the game

If Ender is a civilian, he doesn't need to hedge them, does he?

Just fucking say what you think. For example:

"I think Epi is evil."

And state why and be done with it.

Ender did neither. Didn't say why and followed up with a hedged sentence.

What does Ender have to gain by adding the "By the way my reads have been shit lately" line?

As a civilian, nothing. As a mafia member, it's "Well I said I wasn't very good right now."

Now let me ask you this: How am I supposed to proceed if everybody tells me I'm ridiculous?

I have an answer to that question. It's one that's very clear to me.

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:12 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable

I mean...that's kinda all you have when the game starts and you don't have a flip yet. Otherwise what are we reading each other off of?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:12 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable

I mean...that's kinda all you have when the game starts and you don't have a flip yet. Otherwise what are we reading each other off of?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:08 am is it safe to come out now

TS has always been LGBT friendly

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:11 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable

This isn't "meta"

I don't care to explain though

Go get mad at someone RP'ing in thread as a dog or something

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:13 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:12 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable

I mean...that's kinda all you have when the game starts and you don't have a flip yet. Otherwise what are we reading each other off of?

Lol what that's completely untrue, you can toneread people pretty easily

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:14 am Youre literally mad online about someone gimmicking too

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:15 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:14 am Youre literally mad online about someone gimmicking too

honestly valid

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:14 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:08 am is it safe to come out now

TS has always been LGBT friendly

im g-g-gaathering a feeling that the e/e exchange albeit annoying both came off villagery from it

and also i really like brad's takes on ender and i am going to parrot them myself until i feel the need to not do such anymore

i think we need to settle on a vote soon or at least i want to cause i'm probs gonna oversleep eod lol

i was rly hoping to hear from finger cause she's probs my #1 sus rn but sometimes u just don't get what u want in life

so what does everyone think is the best move?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:15 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:13 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:12 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:45 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:43 am Folks, I have never met Mr. Ender Wiggin, space pilot extraordinaire.

Therefore, my analysis of said Wiggin cannot be one in which I need to assess preexisting behaviors.

Also

Okay but then you should listen to other people who give pretty straight forward and reasonable explanations irt him

Such as the explanation that he wasn't confident in his reads becuase he's been wrong a lot recently

Do you not think that's a valid reason to at least believe that post in particular is NAI? Because your response to the above was just "I don't care"

Naw meta shouldn't be trusted especially wwhen no one has flipped, someones own read will always be more reliable

I mean...that's kinda all you have when the game starts and you don't have a flip yet. Otherwise what are we reading each other off of?

Lol what that's completely untrue, you can toneread people pretty easily

I mean sure tonereads are there. But having meta on an individual can help out so much day 1 if used correctly.

There's a few people I can have a god read on based on their meta and end up being right about 90% of the time. It just makes solving so much easier.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:16 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:14 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:09 am

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:08 am is it safe to come out now

TS has always been LGBT friendly

im g-g-gaathering a feeling that the e/e exchange albeit annoying both came off villagery from it

and also i really like brad's takes on ender and i am going to parrot them myself until i feel the need to not do such anymore

i think we need to settle on a vote soon or at least i want to cause i'm probs gonna oversleep eod lol

i was rly hoping to hear from finger cause she's probs my #1 sus rn but sometimes u just don't get what u want in life

so what does everyone think is the best move?

of the current wagons my only opinion is "not Kami"

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:15 am

Kami wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:14 am Youre literally mad online about someone gimmicking too

honestly valid

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:21 am does this site have a reputation of cfd

aka will i go to sleep and wake up with one of my townreads being lynched because everyone wanted to be a hero

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:53 am Oh hey, Rondo, good to see you.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:23 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:53 am Oh hey, Rondo, good to see you.

Why thank you Lime Coke, I have been hard pressed to leave my personal projects for the betterment of Seythetis.

I had hoped to catch the meeting in session.

Things that have caught my attention:
High Majister Wiggins claiming to follow Alisons lead to change it later, I do not think it is telling in either way but It is something I have taken note of.
Epignosis has previously called for a vote on Made while having not voted for them at the time. Rightly it was pointed out at the time that seemed to be manipulation
Majister Esooa has at multiple times called for appeals to emotion from my view in regards to swaying the early sleeping vote, perceived trolling of the game causing a tunnel vision and lastly a divestment of stock.
Falcon45ca has voted for Made as a possible imposter in our midst but has not moved their vote since. Which I believe is interesting. We will see how that pans out.
While most have descended into bickering and accusations it is noted that Majister Fingersplints has yet to level any accusations directly.
You yourself Lime Coke have been vocal at not entertaining the idea that Majister Syn could be compromised and I do not believe I could find any talk of why you switched your vote to Kami, though I myself have a tendency to do that as well.
Made is an interesting quandary where they joined the sleep vote early to later condemn such actions the reversal of position is explained later, but to what level of acceptability is still to be decided. Secondarily the eagerness of many to vote made causes me to pause and think how many of those wanting to deal with them could be working against us.


While not everything I have noticed these are the highest concerns in my mind.

I am interested in the opinions of the council so I will open it up to the floor.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 12:57 am Town
Falcon45ca
Lime coke
Syn
Transcend

Towny
Seanzie
Kami
Enderwiggin
Alison

PoE
Epignosis
Fingersplints
Hollowkatt
Made
Notanaxehole
Rondodimbuckle

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:31 am my reads list is almost identical to Esooa's

I am getting fucking hosed aren't I

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:31 am my reads list is almost identical to Esooa's

I am getting fucking hosed aren't I

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:35 am anyway yeah D1 and having such strong shared reads between 4 (lol) people makes me itch

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:42 amhaha SYNergy

Transcend wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:42 am

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:42 amhaha SYNergy

i was literally about to make that pun too lmfao

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:44 pm Apologies to those of you who have rightly insisted that I have said very little while also saying quite a lot. It was necessary to stave off the wolves (Or Bats?) lurking at the threshold due to my lack of communication. However I am happy to announce that yours truly has managed to read through all missives provided so far.

Now I will not bore your most regal selves by re-treading common ground and provide to you a list I have prepared most secretly. By watching you all interact and taking in to account the majority of our collective is one with pure purpose. I will not expound in great detail as to why I have come to the conclusions that I have, but know this. They are not taken lightly. That said all stances are only temporary and liable to change as to be most honest I am unfamiliar with you all. With that in mind I ask you all to take in my list and when you have time, cast your eyes back over my previous missives and read the first letters of each paragraph. Ever watchful - Rondo Dim Buckle.

Name---------Score-----AI+---------------AI-
Alison----------8-------6 Positive------1 Negative
Lime Coke-------6-------4 Positive------1 Negative
Seanzie---------6-------6 Positive------2 Negative
Trancend--------4-------5 Positive------2 Negative
Ender Wiggin----2-------1 Positive------0 Negative
RondoDimBuckle--2-------2 Positive------1 Negative
Epignosis-------1-------2 Positive------3 Negative
Esooa----------=-1------2 Positive------2 Negative
Syn------------=-1------2 Positive -----2 Negative
Hollowkatt-----=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Kami-----------=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Falcon45ca-----=-5------3 Positive------5 Negative
Fingersplints--=-6------0 Positive------3 Negative
Made-----------=-12-----3 Positive------8 Negative
Notanaxehole---=-130----No Posts--------No Posts
------------------------------------------------

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:31 pm re mades list:
I agree, transcend and seanzie are alright.
Rando/kami not so much.

Epi has been posting big posts but I still haven't read them. Lime Coke seems kinda town

His poe of Syn, Alison, Esooa, Falcon is a dumpsterfire of a poe and made should be strung up for that alone lol

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:55 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:44 pm Apologies to those of you who have rightly insisted that I have said very little while also saying quite a lot. It was necessary to stave off the wolves (Or Bats?) lurking at the threshold due to my lack of communication. However I am happy to announce that yours truly has managed to read through all missives provided so far.

Now I will not bore your most regal selves by re-treading common ground and provide to you a list I have prepared most secretly. By watching you all interact and taking in to account the majority of our collective is one with pure purpose. I will not expound in great detail as to why I have come to the conclusions that I have, but know this. They are not taken lightly. That said all stances are only temporary and liable to change as to be most honest I am unfamiliar with you all. With that in mind I ask you all to take in my list and when you have time, cast your eyes back over my previous missives and read the first letters of each paragraph. Ever watchful - Rondo Dim Buckle.

Name---------Score-----AI+---------------AI-
Alison----------8-------6 Positive------1 Negative
Lime Coke-------6-------4 Positive------1 Negative
Seanzie---------6-------6 Positive------2 Negative
Trancend--------4-------5 Positive------2 Negative
Ender Wiggin----2-------1 Positive------0 Negative
RondoDimBuckle--2-------2 Positive------1 Negative
Epignosis-------1-------2 Positive------3 Negative
Esooa----------=-1------2 Positive------2 Negative
Syn------------=-1------2 Positive -----2 Negative
Hollowkatt-----=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Kami-----------=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Falcon45ca-----=-5------3 Positive------5 Negative
Fingersplints--=-6------0 Positive------3 Negative
Made-----------=-12-----3 Positive------8 Negative
Notanaxehole---=-130----No Posts--------No Posts
------------------------------------------------

Why do you have yourself as 1 Negative? Also haven't you made literally 2 posts so far, how do you have 2 positive 1 negative for yourself?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:01 am Great question! Because these are all the reads from everyone across the board. If four among us can not be trusted to tell the truth, then surely the majority of us will show something worth seeing. That being said I believe I failed to point out that just because someone is negative it does not mean they are scum. Just that a majority of reads at the time place them below no alignment.

But this of course will need to be adjusted since Majisters Esooa and Trancend have fleshed out their neutral choices.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:01 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:55 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:44 pm Apologies to those of you who have rightly insisted that I have said very little while also saying quite a lot. It was necessary to stave off the wolves (Or Bats?) lurking at the threshold due to my lack of communication. However I am happy to announce that yours truly has managed to read through all missives provided so far.

Now I will not bore your most regal selves by re-treading common ground and provide to you a list I have prepared most secretly. By watching you all interact and taking in to account the majority of our collective is one with pure purpose. I will not expound in great detail as to why I have come to the conclusions that I have, but know this. They are not taken lightly. That said all stances are only temporary and liable to change as to be most honest I am unfamiliar with you all. With that in mind I ask you all to take in my list and when you have time, cast your eyes back over my previous missives and read the first letters of each paragraph. Ever watchful - Rondo Dim Buckle.

Name---------Score-----AI+---------------AI-
Alison----------8-------6 Positive------1 Negative
Lime Coke-------6-------4 Positive------1 Negative
Seanzie---------6-------6 Positive------2 Negative
Trancend--------4-------5 Positive------2 Negative
Ender Wiggin----2-------1 Positive------0 Negative
RondoDimBuckle--2-------2 Positive------1 Negative
Epignosis-------1-------2 Positive------3 Negative
Esooa----------=-1------2 Positive------2 Negative
Syn------------=-1------2 Positive -----2 Negative
Hollowkatt-----=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Kami-----------=-4------1 Positive------3 Negative
Falcon45ca-----=-5------3 Positive------5 Negative
Fingersplints--=-6------0 Positive------3 Negative
Made-----------=-12-----3 Positive------8 Negative
Notanaxehole---=-130----No Posts--------No Posts
------------------------------------------------

Why do you have yourself as 1 Negative? Also haven't you made literally 2 posts so far, how do you have 2 positive 1 negative for yourself?

Great question! Because these are all the reads from everyone across the board. If four among us can not be trusted to tell the truth, then surely the majority of us will show something worth seeing. That being said I believe I failed to point out that just because someone is negative it does not mean they are scum. Just that a majority of reads at the time place them below no alignment.

But this of course will need to be adjusted since Majisters Esooa and Trancend have fleshed out their neutral choices.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:55 am Why do you have yourself as 1 Negative? Also haven't you made literally 2 posts so far, how do you have 2 positive 1 negative for yourself?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 2:03 am that's a list of the thread's opinions, not even your own?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 10:31 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 6:48 pm Honestly think Epi is scum but my reads have been bad recently so.

Here is the holy trinity of what I look for in a post made by a mafia member.

It begins with an unnecessary adverb.

It offers zero or weak evidence to substantiate the thought.

It hedges.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine