Veggie Wars Mafia [TOWN WIN]

[Porscha]

technically the only ones after ender flips who are confirmed town are NAA, MR, and Fingers. me, you, and seanzie are not mech cleared

[Lime Coke]

technically the only ones after ender flips who are confirmed town are NAA, MR, and Fingers. me, you, and seanzie are not mech cleared

Yes and you're towny as hell.

[Lime Coke]

If you're mafia Nanook and Mac currently shitting on me in the graveyard chat.

[Porscha]

I am the towniest eggplant to ever exist

[fingersplints]

If you're mafia Nanook and Mac currently shitting on me in the graveyard chat.

If you’re mafia I would laugh and congratulate you on the win. I love when I’m fooled by a good game almost as much as winning it

[fingersplints]

The thread is even deader than the DADV days

[Porscha]

well I think ender maybe gave up on his claim or something. I feel like if ender had just ... not pulled out the red check comment and lied about using it to save himself at eod then he could have maybe slanked or put pressure on people without faking mech that could be disproven

[Porscha]

like even if wolves really thought mac was the cop, once he flipped on NK, ender could have just said he made the cop claim to live eod vote and tried something else. not sure why he kept up with the cop claim knowing he'd get cc'd...??

[Master Radishes]

Game is dead because we've caught Ender and we're all just waiting for it. :P

[Lime Coke]

like even if wolves really thought mac was the cop, once he flipped on NK, ender could have just said he made the cop claim to live eod vote and tried something else. not sure why he kept up with the cop claim knowing he'd get cc'd...??

Well at that rate you just try to win the CC battle or eat the death and hope your partner carries.

He would've had a chance at winning the CC if he didn't out a green check on his CC.

[Lime Coke]

Test

[Lime Coke]

Don't get why my time settings changed but it was an hour behind...whoops.

[Porscha]

well couldn't have ender just said he faked the cop claim to survive the eod vote and his green check read was on someone who he thought was town and had a better chance in thread?

[Lime Coke]

well couldn't have ender just said he faked the cop claim to survive the eod vote and his green check read was on someone who he thought was town and had a better chance in thread?

It would probably look worse due to the fact that he made us vote out a town in order to save himself despite not being a cop.

It's entirely anti-town if he was fake claiming cop as a VT to get a town voted off at EOD.

[Master Radishes]

*twiddles thumbs*

[Lime Coke]

It's like Katze who fakeclaims to survive/get a scumread voted out, but the thing is that she does that as any alignment and you might need to look at it at a macro-level rather than a micro one.

[Porscha]

well couldn't have ender just said he faked the cop claim to survive the eod vote and his green check read was on someone who he thought was town and had a better chance in thread?

It would probably look worse due to the fact that he made us vote out a town in order to save himself despite not being a cop.

It's entirely anti-town if he was fake claiming cop as a VT to get a town voted off at EOD.

okay if a real cop didn't know that falcon was town and then claimed for real that they are cop and green checked NAA. what's the difference between a lying mafia when we had no clear on falcon regardless. like it only turned out bad b/c falcon flipped town? couldn't that happen to a real cop who was avoiding lynch?

[Lime Coke]

well couldn't have ender just said he faked the cop claim to survive the eod vote and his green check read was on someone who he thought was town and had a better chance in thread?

It would probably look worse due to the fact that he made us vote out a town in order to save himself despite not being a cop.

It's entirely anti-town if he was fake claiming cop as a VT to get a town voted off at EOD.

okay if a real cop didn't know that falcon was town and then claimed for real that they are cop and green checked NAA. what's the difference between a lying mafia when we had no clear on falcon regardless. like it only turned out bad b/c falcon flipped town? couldn't that happen to a real cop who was avoiding lynch?

Just the sheer fact that Ender has held onto the claim and hasn't made an attempt to retract his claim as NAA counterclaims him.

He could've easily been the cop who ended up forcing a CFD on a villager because he was wagoned, but it all got screwed up after that.

[Lime Coke]

I think there's massive levels to this and different paths could've been taken by mafia at this point, but the path they took lead them straight into a brick wall.

[Lime Coke]

This is going to look phenomenal for me if Ender ends up flipping cop in 2 minutes.

[Porscha]

yeah I wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything cuz that's all it seems happened

[Master Radishes]

inb4 cop flip

[Lime Coke]

Also Porscha is asking too many questions to be mafia at this rate.

Falling further and further into the pocket.

[dunya]

who needs to be cut into dunia's tasty salata?
Poll runs till Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


EnderWiggin
5
56%
Voters: fingersplints, Porscha, Seanzie, Lime Coke, NotAnAxehole
fingersplints
1
11%
Voters: EnderWiggin
Lime Coke
0
No votes
Voters: None
Master Radishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
NotAnAxehole
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
Sleep (no yeet)
0
No votes
Voters: None
Unvote
0
No votes
Voters: None
host/mods/spec
3
33%
Voters: juliets, dunya, Scotty
Total votes: 9

[Porscha]

I will screech like a loud eggplant if ender flips t

[dunya]

your host is extremely tired so please excuse the brief eod-ness.

the veggies united and copped the first baddie to smithereens!

EnderWiggens was eliminated. He was CABBAGE - Mafia.



in retaliation, CABBAGE decided to take someone out with him...

NotAnAxehole was killed. He was RED BELL PEPPER - Town Cop.



It is now Night 3. You have 23 hours to get me nightactions. Day 4 starts at 6PM EST April 2nd.

[dunya]

Sorry for slight delay!


During the night, the tastiest baba ghanouj was made!!!

can't say i'm surprised.

who can resist that perfect aubergine.



Porscha has died. They were AUBERGINE - Town Bodyguard



(side note: aubergine is unarguably the greatest vegetable to ever vegetable, and baba ghanouj is the greatest side dish to ever side dish and moussaka is the greatest dish ever.)

It is now Day 4, you have 48 hours (6PM EST April 4) to chop a bad veggie into a million tiny pieces!

@fingersplints
@Lime Coke
@Master Radishes
@Seanzie

[Lime Coke]

YOOOOOOOO

@Porscha

Glad we had the same mindset on that yesterday.

[Lime Coke]

@Porscha

Also...fuck you on the FOL game.

[Lime Coke]

But anyways....to the game.

[Lime Coke]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

The other two are greenchecked.

@Master Radishes

@fingersplints

The least I can do is towncase myself and give my thought process throughout, which I can do later tonight when I get home.

[Seanzie]

Called it.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

I don't think it will be too hard to find me here, so I'm not willing to scumcase LC since he tends to react with personal insults and excessive AtE which makes the game unpleasant.

[Seanzie]

Well, this is boring...

MR, Fingersplints, the game is in your hands. Let me know if you have any questions.

[Lime Coke]

Actually not sure how much going through my thought process is going to help...but I'll do it anyways since I know my own thought process and I at least think I can remember what was going on.

Day 1 was me being active in a super inactive game trying to make something happen. I ended up townreading Falcon and Ender, Falcon because I saw him do something that I could resonate with his town game, and Ender because he was the only one around attempting to do something in a game that was entirely dead. Like I was saying at the time with no one posting...the bar was extremely low.

What stopped me from locking those both in was Nanook talking about not townreading either of them and having them in the POE, and my townread on both men seared out.

Ended up helping out with voting random because "day sucks, lol, random."

So Nanook had Ender, Sean, Falcon as wolf reads...which just puts my confidence at a low.

Had Finger as town, Wilgy as town.

I notice this at my Day 2 start and think "wow, Nanook GOATED this game, good job."


I decided to try to listen to Mac and hope that he is just town by the fact that Nanook was calling Mac town despite never posting and dying while doing it and I thought it would've been funny to townclear someone. I had no reads that I was confident on and I wanted to see how he'd do with such a lackluster game activity wise.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

All hail the magic conch.

Annnnnd Mac ended up with voting Ender.

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

I switch to NAA here because I think he was tunneling Falcon the entire game and I was thinking "This could be NAA deciding to just tunnel someone as mafia since people won't think twice about it" and there was a slight wagon forming.

However...

@MacDougall why are you voting obv!town MR?

I mean, we've got NAA calling MR obv town, and somehow there are player's who are buying this bullshit?




His reads aren't real

Lol I just realised this is a heist and not mountainous.

Wait....

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

This stream of posts happened while I had my vote on NAA.
Falcon is saying "NAA is calling Radishes obvious town despite Radishes not being towny at all."
Mac says "I forgot this is a heist and not mountainous."

I remember that there's a cop in the setup, and I instantly think to myself "NAA might be the cop with an inno on MR."
And switch my vote to Seanzie.

I barely vote as mafia in general.

I have a weird feeling about something.

what is your strange feeling my child

follwing up on this one LC

It's a bad idea if I do so it's better if I kept quiet.

I'm constantly vague about this despite Porscha questioning me about it since it was best to keep quiet. We don't want PRs to be outed in Day 2 when they have room to do damage.

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

Why is Mac going over?

I'm at a DQ drive thru while posting this and see that Mac is wagoned at EOD, and I think he's probably town and vote Ender...who ends up flipping mafia in this game.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I'll answer it for y'all because I'm annoyed.

I'm cop. Good job wagoning the Cabbage Cop.

NAA, congrats on being the NK after me because you're greenchecked.

Why in the blue fuck do you check him?

I see the cop claim from Ender and it's just pro-town to believe the claim and vote Falcon.

I ask why Ender checks NAA because...well, it's NAA.

Falcon flips and is town.

open setup: 9v2:

• seven VT veggies

• one cop veggie

• one self sacrificing veggie (protect someone every night, if they are killed, die in their place)

• two mafia veggies (kill each night, first one to die gets an immediate retaliation kill performed at same eod)

Let's do some maths here...


VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
VT
COP
BG

MAFIA GOON
MAFIA GOON

This is the start...
Take away 4 VTs....

VT
VT
VT
COP
BG

MAFIA GOON
MAFIA GOON

5 vs 2

That's 1 misyeet left?

There's 1 green check on NAA, which I'm hoping is a VT.
Barring a green check on a SECOND VT, it COULD look like this.

VT
VT - Green Checked
VT - Green Checked
COP
BG

MAFIA GOON
MAFIA GOON

Which means that leave 3 unclears, which means with 1 ML left, this game is an auto-win for town.

Here with the fucked up kill all PRs are alive with the green check at the start of Day 3, so I go into numbers mode and talk about how the game is close to being "Auto" because mechanics would lock things up.

Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.

How real we going here with this?

Real claim, my play around MR yesterday is the result of a green check.

Then NAA claims cop with two inno reports, and everything changes.

Ok, I'm the cop.

I have a green check on Master Radishes from N1 and a green check on Fingersplints from N2.

How real we going here with this?

Real claim, my play around MR yesterday is the result of a green check.

NGL I kinda figured that out when this was happening.

I mean, we've got NAA calling MR obv town, and somehow there are player's who are buying this bullshit?




His reads aren't real

Lol I just realised this is a heist and not mountainous.

I mean, we've got NAA calling MR obv town, and somehow there are player's who are buying this bullshit?




His reads aren't real

Mmm the only problem with that is that NAA has a condition that means often he does these kinds of things when town.

And my post immediately after was kind of shifting towards me thinking you were a cop with MR as green.

And then post what I had already posted in this towncase of myself earlier talking about how I thought MR was the cop originally before the Ender claim.

Maybe not the third post because that's kind of nothing but that had the wheels turning.

Also if you're hard claiming cop then Ender is confirmed mafia because he inno'd you.

Stating the obvious and knowing that Ender is losing the CC battle if it is indeed a CC battle.

Alright, fair enough. This is basically close to auto-win then.

Oh wait, no because mafia venge kill will end me today, so you all actually have to find the last mafia.

Oh god damn I didn't realize that was a thing.

Actually if FS and MR are both vanilla towns then this game IS auto.

And then me realizing that the game could be auto/easy to win in the end because of mechanics and multiple innos and the fact that the body guard was a player that wasn't cop checked at all (Porscha!) and we win.

I do have a feeling he's FPS'ing but at this rate you gotta realize who's in the game.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh.

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

Ender comes back and claims his red check to be on FingerSplints, and the only reason I give ground to this claim is because there's a bit of me that believes that NAA is FPS'ing and fucking things up because the night kill was weird. Anyone that has played with NAA in the past knows him for messing games up with bad plays...you can even look at how Mac interacts with Axehole in this game and I'm not the only one that knows this.

The clear mech play is to believe the cop that was green checked by the other cop. If I am VT derailing a red check, you can report me for game throwing, and the mods will side with you.

[VOTE: Ender] aubergine

NAA is technically correct.

And yes, if Ender flips cop, this is a gamethrow.

Axehole states what the right move is, and I entirely agree because it is mechanically correct that in a CC battle the cop claim that has inno'd his CC opponent is going to be mafia nearly 100% of the time.


The rest of the iso is just calling Porscha towny as hell and saying that it's probably just Ender and Seanzie as the mafia team.

Overall this was my thought process as the game progressed.

[Lime Coke]

What I can point out after doing that self-iso and "thought process" case is "What would I (Brad) do if I'm mafia here?"

If I'm mafia here:

1. I don't townside so fucking hard on End of Day 2 and ask "Why is Mac being voted out?" and put a wagon on Ender if he is my partner. There were other viable misyeets like (no offense) Fingersplints or Porscha.
I probably don't post at all during that EOD2 and just let Mac flat out self vote and fucking die because him getting ML'd as town is a huge win for mafia.


2. If Ender is claiming cop he is NOT claiming an inno on MR who I have as a PR read, specifically the copread I have.
- If Ender is going to claim cop I tell him to out the green check on someone else, and either we night kill Axehole, or we kill outside in a PR hunt incase I'm wrong and I have Ender hang onto the claim and do a red check on Axe quickly at the start of Day 3 since it would look like Axe would counter claim because he got caught.


3. I don't entirely forget that mafia is vengeful and have an immediate kill, mainly because I struggle with TMI and faking derptells, which I feel like my entire Day 3 was that up until NAA mentioned it.

[Lime Coke]

And while I have everybody's attention,

Let me talk to YOU guys about

CRYPTO!

CURRENCY!

I'm kidding...

[Lime Coke]

In all seriousness, I think I laid out enough of my "thought process" and why I made specific moves.

If there's ANY questions about what I wrote in my gigantic cases-
Or if you have any questions AT ALL:

Feel free to ask me.

@Master Radishes

@fingersplints

[Lime Coke]

Also I'm not gonna lie the other guy has kinda done nothing this game besides coast, so...yeah.

[fingersplints]

I’m not sure why but I don’t like anyone’s responses today lol
I’m most interested to hear what @Master Radishes is thinking right now. I went into this day thinking definitely Seanzie but I’m questioning that right now

[Master Radishes]

I’m not sure why but I don’t like anyone’s responses today lol
I’m most interested to hear what @Master Radishes is thinking right now. I went into this day thinking definitely Seanzie but I’m questioning that right now

Oh damn, we actually have to make a game-winning decision here? I'm historically bad at those.

[Master Radishes]

I know no one wants to wait the full 48 hours, but I will have to give this a read-over/think-over tomorrow, not today.

[fingersplints]

I’m not sure why but I don’t like anyone’s responses today lol
I’m most interested to hear what @Master Radishes is thinking right now. I went into this day thinking definitely Seanzie but I’m questioning that right now

Oh damn, we actually have to make a game-winning decision here? I'm historically bad at those.

Me too

[fingersplints]

I don’t want to rush this decision

[fingersplints]

So as I said I went into today definitely thinking Seanzie - but is too much of my Seanzie suspicions based off how he handled me. (This is why I’m glad to have MR here as more impartial)
When he started pushing me it felt weird, and falcon had lots of attention but Ender also had votes at the time, so it still makes sense he could have been paired with Ender and trying to save a teammate. But is it too obvious? Is he just LHF

[fingersplints]

I do not like LC’s big post today. It read to me like “I followed nook here. I followed Mac there. NAA makes crazy plays. the thread was dead. IT WASNT MY FAULT!” I can forgive bad votes, town make them too (sorry falcon ) , but the lack of accountability is kind of alarming.

I liked the bit about being at the DQ drive thru. Idk why but it makes me chuckle to think of someone plotting mafia while in line for some ice cream

[fingersplints]

Called it.

[VOTE: LC] aubergine

I don't think it will be too hard to find me here, so I'm not willing to scumcase LC since he tends to react with personal insults and excessive AtE which makes the game unpleasant.

Ok, if you are unwilling to scumcase LC can you please towncase you? I want to hear both sides

[Master Radishes]

I'm roughly on the same page as you atm - I ended D3 leaning towards it being Seanzie, but I didn't really like LC's attempts to justify (I stopped reading his posts, actually) and am now not really certain which way to swing.

I intend to go back and double check everything; just need the time to do so. But we have every piece of the puzzle except LC and Seanzie sorted, including ourselves, so in theory I may come out of a re-read with a strong feeling? In theory, anyway.

[Master Radishes]

I'll generally be trying to ignore individual towniness/scumminess.

I'm more interested in (a) their associations with all other players, (b) Ender's interactions with each of them, and (c) their approach to this round.

[Lime Coke]

I do not like LC’s big post today. It read to me like “I followed nook here. I followed Mac there. NAA makes crazy plays. the thread was dead. IT WASNT MY FAULT!” I can forgive bad votes, town make them too (sorry falcon ) , but the lack of accountability is kind of alarming.

I liked the bit about being at the DQ drive thru. Idk why but it makes me chuckle to think of someone plotting mafia while in line for some ice cream

I mean I'll admit that I did screw up just about most of the game.
Keep in mind I said this before, but it's my first game back since my 2 month ban, I've played most of my games on FoL where I played like total shit every game because their forum styles are way different. I don't have the same confidence in my reads as much as I did back in January.
I did screw up and misread Ender to start, but as I said there wasn't much to read and he was the only other one besides me attempting to make reads. I probably read him more carefully because I've miscleared him a few times in a row, but nothing else was happening so I was stuck.

That's kind of why I started trying to listen to other players. People will know I'm not a stranger to this because this was how I was when I started playing FM, aka "Sheep townreads/players that are good read wise. "

I know this is probably going to sound like shit anyways but if it wasn't for mechanics, this game doesn't reach this point because I felt awful read wise throughout the game.

[Lime Coke]

I'll generally be trying to ignore individual towniness/scumminess.

I'm more interested in (a) their associations with all other players, (b) Ender's interactions with each of them, and (c) their approach to this round.

If you want to see the associations then think about the fact that Mac was a wagon at EOD2 and my action was to say that Mac shouldn't die and voted Ender, putting the wagon and the lead on him going over.
I don't townside like that for no reason if I'm mafia. I don't hard bus a partner if he's putting in effort and they're safe for the day.