The Syndicate

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:04 pm You have failed in trying to shake me with base threats that a literal 8v1 will be lost because I was wrong on one person... especially because I don't even think I'm wrong on you. Feel free to peddle your fearmongering rhetoric elsewhere, because it will not work on me.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:04 pm You have failed in trying to shake me with base threats that a literal 8v1 will be lost because I was wrong on one person... especially because I don't even think I'm wrong on you. Feel free to peddle your fearmongering rhetoric elsewhere, because it will not work on me.

it should

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:08 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:04 pm You have failed in trying to shake me with base threats that a literal 8v1 will be lost because I was wrong on one person... especially because I don't even think I'm wrong on you. Feel free to peddle your fearmongering rhetoric elsewhere, because it will not work on me.

it should

instead of trying to convince people by saying nothings you may want to try explaining why you read anyone in any way

Like how I'm wolf

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:08 pm The more you do this, the more I become convinced that you are indeed mafia. A townie in your position would be a lot more likely to try to find the actual mafia and leave a strong legacy, or furnish actual townie things they have done, than to try to use arguments like "I am TWTBW" and "you will all lose if you misexe me", which are the refuge of wolves who have no argument left to give.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:09 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:08 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:04 pm You have failed in trying to shake me with base threats that a literal 8v1 will be lost because I was wrong on one person... especially because I don't even think I'm wrong on you. Feel free to peddle your fearmongering rhetoric elsewhere, because it will not work on me.

it should

instead of trying to convince people by saying nothings you may want to try explaining why you read anyone in any way

Like how I'm wolf

this is exactly something a wolf says

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Aug 26, 2022 7:38 am I was perfectly content sitting on my Nanook vanity wagon while I town read him and just watching Sparkles flip

But now I'm anxious but I don't know if I should go with my meager OW read or leave Sparkles where she is

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay legacy is Esooa, their thought process is off

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:37 pm Posting this because I think the games easily winnable by PoE and me not being in it is useful to everyone

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:38 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay legacy is Esooa, their thought process is off

Maybe if you put as much effort into casing her as you do into complaining about how I'm going to die if I push you, I'd actually have a reason to move off you. But you didn't so.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:32 pm If anyone cares, I'll explain my EoD thoughts

Mostly wasn't feeling great on JJJ but had no reasons to pursue it, so that was the first thing that originally swayed me off Sparkles and saying a bit before it that I was thinking it's JJJ/OW. I was a bit bored so I asked OW a couple things but he didn't really care to respond or explain anything, so I took his weird posts that I read at the time at their face value and took him as a wolf read. Mostly

"Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me."

This doesn't really seem like a reason to change your read on Alison at all and I didn't like it.

I didn't even realize OW was a wagon at this time, though, and once I realized he was I took a bit and thought about it some more. I thought him deliberately not responding to things I asked of him when he could die at an EoD where he's the counterwagon was probably not something he'd do as a wolf, and as I thought about Sparkles more I was also more fine with voting her. On her own, I thought her posts were wolf indicative, but it's because she was playing in a more easily digestible and towny way. I don't really feel like going "this persons not loudly pushing a lot of bad things so I'm going to vote them," because like, it's an improvement lol, and I haven't played with them for a while so I thought maybe they just got better about that in general. But then I just went with, well I still think it's wolfier posting so whatever and voted them right before EoD in case she was gonna tie OW or something.

I think it's at least a decent thought process overall and all of it is reflected in my posts last EoD

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:39 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:32 pm If anyone cares, I'll explain my EoD thoughts

Mostly wasn't feeling great on JJJ but had no reasons to pursue it, so that was the first thing that originally swayed me off Sparkles and saying a bit before it that I was thinking it's JJJ/OW. I was a bit bored so I asked OW a couple things but he didn't really care to respond or explain anything, so I took his weird posts that I read at the time at their face value and took him as a wolf read. Mostly

"Thinking on it, I feel less concerned about Alison's posts around Lucy, because the fact she ain't voted and is refusing to play D1 is really beginning to grate on me."

This doesn't really seem like a reason to change your read on Alison at all and I didn't like it.

I didn't even realize OW was a wagon at this time, though, and once I realized he was I took a bit and thought about it some more. I thought him deliberately not responding to things I asked of him when he could die at an EoD where he's the counterwagon was probably not something he'd do as a wolf, and as I thought about Sparkles more I was also more fine with voting her. On her own, I thought her posts were wolf indicative, but it's because she was playing in a more easily digestible and towny way. I don't really feel like going "this persons not loudly pushing a lot of bad things so I'm going to vote them," because like, it's an improvement lol, and I haven't played with them for a while so I thought maybe they just got better about that in general. But then I just went with, well I still think it's wolfier posting so whatever and voted them right before EoD in case she was gonna tie OW or something.

I think it's at least a decent thought process overall and all of it is reflected in my posts last EoD

I interpreted OW's post as meaning "I think lucy is scummier now, so Alison attacking her is townier" which kinda makes sense.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:38 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay legacy is Esooa, their thought process is off

Maybe if you put as much effort into casing her as you do into complaining about how I'm going to die if I push you, I'd actually have a reason to move off you. But you didn't so.

you’d never move off me lol

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:39 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:37 pm Posting this because I think the games easily winnable by PoE and me not being in it is useful to everyone

this is what’s called a perspective slip

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:46 pm That leaves JJJ and lucy. Jay hasn't been overtly scummy and his progression on Sparkles looks okay. He never really lead the charge against Sparkles at any time so it could just be him resigning himself to bussing. I'm surprised he hasn't dug into the Sparkle associatives since I think they immediately solve the game. Nevertheless, he is mostly in the POE because I cannot find any association that clears him.

Which leaves lucy. The person who has been playing in an extremely anti town way all of D1. If she is Sparkles' teammate, it would explain why the Sparkles wagon had hardly any resistance. She took time off her "not making any votes/reads" gimmick to slap a vote on the town counterwagon to mafia, without calling the vote. I would consider that pretty outing.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:55 pm Alison tried to force lucy to be a cw to sparkles.

Alison weird comments in eod.

The math isn't matching.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:04 pmI'm wolf

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:36 am [VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Alison proposed a thunderdome between the two of them, and it looks like lucy refused. Lucy may not scumread Alison, but she doesn't appear to scumread anyone right now. She is mentioning other names and pointing Alison and others in other directions, and proposing theories in the thread, but not doing much with it.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:42 pm Here is the brief summary of why everyone else is town. Ping me if you need specific explanation on each case.

Sabiplz - Out of their wolf range, gains nothing by pushing me yesterday. Tried to veto one of the only other alternative exes to Sparkles. Sparkles blatantly tried to pocket and manipulate them.

DrWilgy - Broke out of their slanker meta, unlikely for them to do so as wolf. Signal boosted my scumread on Sparkles. No reason at all for them to do a complete 180 on their read on me (from wolfreading me to townreading me) when Sparkles was in danger and I was scumreading her.

Esooa - Had the exact same reads as me all game, shielded me when people were distrustful, tunnelled lucy all day but switched to Sparkles on a dime. My personal sense is that she'd powerwolf in this scenario too.

falcon45a - Absurdly townie, voted a mafia. Both me and Esooa godread him town.

Marmot - Sparkles was practically on her knees begging him to switch his vote from her (mafia) to me (town)... and he responded by saying "that's manipulative, ima vote you". Obvious town.

Esooa isn't clear bucko, wigly less clear, rest yeah

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:51 pm you are wrong about esooa

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 10:53 pm I have provided my arguments about why I think Esooa, Wilgy and probably Nook are town.

If you disagree, feel free to provide reasoning to the contrary.

the reasoning is not sufficient in clearing them

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:09 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:08 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:04 pm You have failed in trying to shake me with base threats that a literal 8v1 will be lost because I was wrong on one person... especially because I don't even think I'm wrong on you. Feel free to peddle your fearmongering rhetoric elsewhere, because it will not work on me.

it should

instead of trying to convince people by saying nothings you may want to try explaining why you read anyone in any way

Like how I'm wolf

this is exactly something a wolf says

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:28 pm @JaggedJimmyJay legacy is Esooa, their thought process is off

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:44 amgg i was katze

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:45 am Is that a concession?

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:45 am Is that a concession?

god you’re thick

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:48 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:45 am Is that a concession?

god you’re thick

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:04 pmI'm wolf

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 28, 2022 12:58 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:04 pmI'm wolf

i believe you

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Aug 27, 2022 11:08 pm The more you do this, the more I become convinced that you are indeed mafia. A townie in your position would be a lot more likely to try to find the actual mafia and leave a strong legacy, or furnish actual townie things they have done, than to try to use arguments like "I am TWTBW" and "you will all lose if you misexe me", which are the refuge of wolves who have no argument left to give.