The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:57 pm @Golden You don't have pronouns on your profile, and I don't like misgendering people, so if you don't mind what pronouns do you use?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:01 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am not like they were well thought out with other players

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:01 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:03 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

With two teammates this assumes they were around at eod. But I do think Dennis’s vote looks fairly good. Even without coaching, I doubt first time mafia wants that kind of attention.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 am

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:01 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.

I don’t get it. In what world is mafia Sean threatening to unvote wilgy and elim himself just no ensure an elim if he’s bad.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:16 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 am

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:01 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.

I don’t get it. In what world is mafia Sean threatening to unvote wilgy and elim himself just no ensure an elim if he’s bad.

This is what I was thinking too, which may have thrown off my EoD vote. Why would a mafia be willing to kill himself? I see no actual baddie way to say that message unless it was the most bold bluff of his life.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 am

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am not like they were well thought out with other players

D:

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:14 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:03 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

With two teammates this assumes they were around at eod. But I do think Dennis’s vote looks fairly good. Even without coaching, I doubt first time mafia wants that kind of attention.

Not necessarily, they would have discussed it earlier or at some point. And I agree he looks civ.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 am

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:01 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:48 pm @Kate can you post the full screenshot of votes

also Dennis is my top town, do you think he could be scum, Kate?

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.

I don’t get it. In what world is mafia Sean threatening to unvote wilgy and elim himself just no ensure an elim if he’s bad.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:17 am I don't like your logic because of he fact that he can make his own decision, and he doesn't need to be coached and he can independently act instinctively, though it would be hard for a first time mafia player to do so. I just disagree with the importance of being the last vote on a civilian and I dislike the fact that you're not considering worlds where seanzie is town and optically Dennis looks the exact same no matter where he votes. So I have not and will not clear him for such stuff as voting a town there

similarly there's a world where seanzie is scum and Dennis outted himself (very unlikely but possible), but I'm not really considering this whatsoever, just wanna say it because it's actually possible

I personally have coldread Dennis on multiple occasions and he's locktown for me, regardless of eod except in the aforementioned world

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:17 am I don't like your logic because of he fact that he can make his own decision, and he doesn't need to be coached and he can independently act instinctively, though it would be hard for a first time mafia player to do so. I just disagree with the importance of being the last vote on a civilian and I dislike the fact that you're not considering worlds where seanzie is town and optically Dennis looks the exact same no matter where he votes. So I have not and will not clear him for such stuff as voting a town there

similarly there's a world where seanzie is scum and Dennis outted himself (very unlikely but possible), but I'm not really considering this whatsoever, just wanna say it because it's actually possible

I personally have coldread Dennis on multiple occasions and he's locktown for me, regardless of eod except in the aforementioned world

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:18 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:12 am

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:07 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:01 am

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:59 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Nov 30, 2022 11:55 pm

I doubt it, I don't think a team would have let him do that. I think he panicked.

let him do what?

Voted to push a civ over the edge.

this has the underlying assumption that seanzie is mafia, what's your read on seanzie and degree of confidence

Well I thought he was mafia yesterday and his end of day behavior didn't help that at all.

My thoughts on Dennis don't assume Sean is bad. Him placing the last vote on any civ wasn't going to look good since we (the civs) do know for certain one way or the other and they (maf) do. If I were on dennis' mafia team I'd strongly counsel him not to be the deciding vote on anyone who was a civ. Plus his actions seem instinctive, not like they were well thought out with other players.

I don’t get it. In what world is mafia Sean threatening to unvote wilgy and elim himself just no ensure an elim if he’s bad.

Threatening to do it and actually doing it are two VERY different things.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:27 am I don't like the golden votes, would much rather kill an inactive or seanzie today, even though I don't really have a read on golden besides they're an active participant of this game

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:30 am Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:31 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:30 am Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.

agreed on scotty playing poorly, but I don't think that's wolf indicative

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:17 am I don't like your logic because of he fact that he can make his own decision, and he doesn't need to be coached and he can independently act instinctively, though it would be hard for a first time mafia player to do so. I just disagree with the importance of being the last vote on a civilian and I dislike the fact that you're not considering worlds where seanzie is town and optically Dennis looks the exact same no matter where he votes. So I have not and will not clear him for such stuff as voting a town there

similarly there's a world where seanzie is scum and Dennis outted himself (very unlikely but possible), but I'm not really considering this whatsoever, just wanna say it because it's actually possible

I personally have coldread Dennis on multiple occasions and he's locktown for me, regardless of eod except in the aforementioned world

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.

You haven't played in years.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:31 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:30 am Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.

agreed on scotty playing poorly, but I don't think that's wolf indicative

Ouch!

This is a bit rough. Strikes me as wolfy for a few reasons, but if its actually town I think it’s more about confo bias from anniversary than anything.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.

You haven't played in years.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:35 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:31 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:30 am Scotty’s vote is so manufactured that it’ll still be floating in the Pacific garbage island 2000 years from now.

agreed on scotty playing poorly, but I don't think that's wolf indicative

Ouch!

This is a bit rough. Strikes me as wolfy for a few reasons, but if its actually town I think it’s more about confo bias from anniversary than anything.

can you elaborate on how you find scotty to be wolfy

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

which side of the fence do you fall on?

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.

You haven't played in years.

What's that supposed to mean?

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.

You haven't played in years.

What's that supposed to mean?

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

which side of the fence do you fall on?

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:40 am

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:34 am

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:32 am Also, the meta that non-elims are bad for town on day zero is objectively bad imo.

You haven't played in years.

What's that supposed to mean?

To be fair, I haven’t been going to the gym

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:40 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:38 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 01, 2022 12:37 am I think I've noticed a pattern--Older players would rather have a civ alive and no info, newer players would rather elim a civ and get the info. I've now successfully read all of you and expect praise. (I realize this is a surface level analysis, but I felt cool when I thought it and now I want to share.)

which side of the fence do you fall on?

Good question. Dennis?

Plus it's not that we'd have NO info, we'd have less.