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I mean... Maybe. Idk. I'm currently torn on falcon. I think Sloonei really just doesn't want to talk to you tbhZenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
That’s fair. But for the second I’ve started this Falcon push they came in to shut it down, claiming “That’s just Falcon” and have refused time and time again to not really answer any questions about my interaction with Falcon.potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:41 pmI mean... Maybe. Idk. I'm currently torn on falcon. I think Sloonei really just doesn't want to talk to you tbhZenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
I don't?potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:32 pm @falcon45ca Why do you have a problem with me TRing Neon?
I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
I already did. Do I need to quote it?potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:42 pm I'm at the edge of my seat waiting for Seanzie to explain why we can't elim falcon despite his scum read and why that's making him vote Zenge, the champion of yeeting falcon.
Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pmI don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
@potentialsheltervetSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:05 pmTo address this now, I will use the SUPER NAI method of just quoting a post from another game where I explain this (I've had to explain this a lot):mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions
The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie
Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?
Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me
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Before I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pmCan you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pmI don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pmBefore I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pmCan you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pmI don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
I'm not sure if it's that straight forward. I'd need some insight to other Sloonei wolfing games.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
Is AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pmBecause I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pmBefore I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pmCan you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pmI don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.
It's what my gut says.genny wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:18 pmi don't understand why you go 3p over scum when you say you have suspicionpyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:56 pmI'm suspicious that you've got something going on. There is something tbd about your posting that is related to your role somehow. I can feel it from how your big animal+alignment posts.
Doesn't mean your scummy. Doesn't mean we can't win together if you're 3p.
I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pmIs AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pmBecause I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pmBefore I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.
AM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pmI’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pmIs AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pmBecause I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.
No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pmAM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pmI’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pmIs AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?
What does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pmNo, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pmAM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pmI’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?
She analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pmWhat does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pmNo, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pmAM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?
I mean it probably was just fluff, but I appreciated it.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:17 pmThis is an interesting take. I felt like it was more amusing D0 filler.miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:47 pmI’ve been at work all morning so I haven’t caught up reallyAnimal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:28 pmDo you have any thoughts of the game so far?miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:25 pmExcuse my ignorance, what is a Breedlove? I am neither
Scotty was pretty close with their guess! I was pretty impressed!
I feel like Scotty is town, it feels like they really put a lot of thought as to which animals we are
I’m unsurprised that Santy is trying to push me
I feel like everyone always tone reads me as wolfy so, meh
I haven’t looked too much at anyone individually so I don’t have any reads for you ATM
Do you think that he actually thinks one of the player's is his father-in-law?
Does stating that they are constitute game solving?
"there is a parent and a child playing"miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:06 pmI mean it probably was just fluff, but I appreciated it.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:17 pmThis is an interesting take. I felt like it was more amusing D0 filler.miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:47 pmI’ve been at work all morning so I haven’t caught up reallyAnimal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:28 pmDo you have any thoughts of the game so far?miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:25 pmExcuse my ignorance, what is a Breedlove? I am neither
Scotty was pretty close with their guess! I was pretty impressed!
I feel like Scotty is town, it feels like they really put a lot of thought as to which animals we are
I’m unsurprised that Santy is trying to push me
I feel like everyone always tone reads me as wolfy so, meh
I haven’t looked too much at anyone individually so I don’t have any reads for you ATM
Do you think that he actually thinks one of the player's is his father-in-law?
Does stating that they are constitute game solving?
Also I want to say it was Neon, also said that post made Scotty seem town but no one really questioned them about it.
I don’t, but I thought I read somewhere that there is a parent and a child playing - don’t remember the specifics
Not sure what your last question is referring to
This sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pmShe analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pmWhat does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pmNo, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.
Oh yes, thank you!pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pm"there is a parent and a child playing"miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:06 pmI mean it probably was just fluff, but I appreciated it.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:17 pmThis is an interesting take. I felt like it was more amusing D0 filler.miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:47 pmI’ve been at work all morning so I haven’t caught up reallyAnimal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:28 pmDo you have any thoughts of the game so far?miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:25 pmExcuse my ignorance, what is a Breedlove? I am neither
Scotty was pretty close with their guess! I was pretty impressed!
I feel like Scotty is town, it feels like they really put a lot of thought as to which animals we are
I’m unsurprised that Santy is trying to push me
I feel like everyone always tone reads me as wolfy so, meh
I haven’t looked too much at anyone individually so I don’t have any reads for you ATM
Do you think that he actually thinks one of the player's is his father-in-law?
Does stating that they are constitute game solving?
Also I want to say it was Neon, also said that post made Scotty seem town but no one really questioned them about it.
I don’t, but I thought I read somewhere that there is a parent and a child playing - don’t remember the specifics
Not sure what your last question is referring to
Kate (mom) and Dennis (son, 14yo)
I mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pmThis sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pmShe analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pmWhat does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?
Because I wonder if the intensity that AM is known for sometimes ends up on townies, and if your asking AM didn't have any agenda attached.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pmI mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pmThis sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pmShe analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.
I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?
Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?
I asked her because she’s a smart savvy player and her opinion matters to me, and considering I’m villager reading her, and Dyachei has village read her (Dyachei who has never been wrong on their read of AM in like 7+ years), I can trust that it’s an honest read from a villager (outside of a AM/Dyachei W/W world, which I don’t think is likely here).Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:14 pmBecause I wonder if the intensity that AM is known for sometimes ends up on townies, and if your asking AM didn't have any agenda attached.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pmI mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pmThis sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.
I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?
Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?
I'm a pitbull. That's the animal that I asked JJJ to give me, and I got it.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:19 pmI asked her because she’s a smart savvy player and her opinion matters to me, and considering I’m villager reading her, and Dyachei has village read her (Dyachei who has never been wrong on their read of AM in like 7+ years), I can trust that it’s an honest read from a villager (outside of a AM/Dyachei W/W world, which I don’t think is likely here).Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:14 pmBecause I wonder if the intensity that AM is known for sometimes ends up on townies, and if your asking AM didn't have any agenda attached.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pmI mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pmThis sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.
I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?
Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?
That being said, AM is never anyone’s pit bull. She pushes people independently. She frequently wolf reads people and finds separate people to wolf read and push, separate from other peoples pushes.
I'm not sheeping anyone. I've liked her tone and feel like she's genuinely trying to solve.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:45 pmI don't?potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:32 pm @falcon45ca Why do you have a problem with me TRing Neon?
I was curious as to what was informing your read...like, was it something specific you saw in Neon's post, or sheeping someone you do TR?
I'm still curious btw
Hm. I see. But if it comes down to it and it's hypothetically between likely wolf Falcon and likely town someone else, then voting Falcon is by far the better choice.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm@potentialsheltervetSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:05 pmTo address this now, I will use the SUPER NAI method of just quoting a post from another game where I explain this (I've had to explain this a lot):mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions
The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie
Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?
Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me
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Almost certainly a villager.
More or less, yes.potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:35 pmHm. I see. But if it comes down to it and it's hypothetically between likely wolf Falcon and likely town someone else, then voting Falcon is by far the better choice.Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm@potentialsheltervetSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:05 pmTo address this now, I will use the SUPER NAI method of just quoting a post from another game where I explain this (I've had to explain this a lot):mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions
The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie
Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?
Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me
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But I suppose your point being it's better to pursue someone else first?
Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pmI think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.
I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.
Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.
I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.
I still expect an answer here.
You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.
Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.
I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:32 pmI'm a pitbull. That's the animal that I asked JJJ to give me, and I got it.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:19 pmI asked her because she’s a smart savvy player and her opinion matters to me, and considering I’m villager reading her, and Dyachei has village read her (Dyachei who has never been wrong on their read of AM in like 7+ years), I can trust that it’s an honest read from a villager (outside of a AM/Dyachei W/W world, which I don’t think is likely here).Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:14 pmBecause I wonder if the intensity that AM is known for sometimes ends up on townies, and if your asking AM didn't have any agenda attached.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pmI mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.
I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?
Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?
That being said, AM is never anyone’s pit bull. She pushes people independently. She frequently wolf reads people and finds separate people to wolf read and push, separate from other peoples pushes.
I might have been roughly bullshitting 95% of my reads list for animal matching purposes (and btw the children’s book will be available in Barnes and Noble in 2025) but I do actually think his random shade at me on D0 is still suspicious, especially since there hasn’t been any follow through with that fishing comment.potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:38 pmI don't remember Santy posting at all except for fluffing about being village D0. Weird of him to go MIA. That's not usually his silly goose self
Do you think that wolves tend to be calmer under pressure? I would expect it to be the opposite. A vanilla townie has the least to lose. Wolves, 3P, and village PR have much more on the line.mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:47 pm Regarding Miranda in general, I appreciate PSV's terminology of noob vs wolf. AM very legitimately questioned Miranda's town lean on Scottie for being based on faulty reasoning. I personally would offer that this was more noob than sus (I personally had the same gut reaction before I calmed down and realized entertaining posts are still NAI). Honestly, the only aspect of Miranda's play so far that caught my eye has been how calmly she has handled the pressure. I think this could be attributed to wolfiness, gaining experience, or generally being too busy to fight back. She is worth watching, but I would not make her a yeet priority for today, unless I found no better targets than trusting Sporty's tone read
This isn’t “calm and reason”.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pmGet out of here with your calm and reasoning.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pmI think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.
I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.
Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.
I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.
I still expect an answer here.
You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.
Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.
I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.
Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pmI don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
The hair on top is right, but on bottom... I've definitely let my inner animal go.Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:57 pmSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:32 pmI'm a pitbull. That's the animal that I asked JJJ to give me, and I got it.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:19 pmI asked her because she’s a smart savvy player and her opinion matters to me, and considering I’m villager reading her, and Dyachei has village read her (Dyachei who has never been wrong on their read of AM in like 7+ years), I can trust that it’s an honest read from a villager (outside of a AM/Dyachei W/W world, which I don’t think is likely here).Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:14 pmBecause I wonder if the intensity that AM is known for sometimes ends up on townies, and if your asking AM didn't have any agenda attached.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pmI mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.
I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?
Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?
That being said, AM is never anyone’s pit bull. She pushes people independently. She frequently wolf reads people and finds separate people to wolf read and push, separate from other peoples pushes.
You’re lookin mighty human, mr bull
I'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 amSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pmI don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
What tale does it tell?
Reading it as an outsider to the argument, I think they are frustrated that it's been going on for a week and a half without either you or falcon really offering anything new.Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:04 amThis isn’t “calm and reason”.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pmGet out of here with your calm and reasoning.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pmI think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.
I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.
Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.
I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.
I still expect an answer here.
You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.
Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.
I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.
Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.
They refused to actually answer the question I was asking. They said a lot of words without saying anything of meaning.
Then I've got good news for you!Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:19 amI'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 amSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pmI don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
What tale does it tell?
I see you answered this, but I'm still not sure I understand your point in pointing out zenge's tagging AM for a questionSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:19 amMayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 amSeanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pmI don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?
What tale does it tell?
I'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.
Oooo, care to eleaborate?
The issue I take with Sloonei, isn’t that they’re reading it as v/v.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:23 amReading it as an outsider to the argument, I think they are frustrated that it's been going on for a week and a half without either you or falcon really offering anything new.Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:04 amThis isn’t “calm and reason”.Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pmGet out of here with your calm and reasoning.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pmI think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.
I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.
Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.
I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.
I still expect an answer here.
You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.
Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.
I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.
Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.
They refused to actually answer the question I was asking. They said a lot of words without saying anything of meaning.
Sloonei's post reads like trying to move the thread along. I would guess that's why they aren't engaging with your questions.
If falcon were to flip wolf, it wouldn't be a great look for Sloonei, but they wouldn't be the only person viewing the argument as V/V.
