The Syndicate

Well, as for me, I still am wary of HedgeBaddie and INH, but Hedge's vote analysis was extremely helpful so she gets a pass from me today. I also note that a lot of people have taken no votes and that worries me. If the civvies have all been wearing each other down while the baddies have quietly been taking no votes, it's going to be very hard to kill them, so I am going to throw my vote to Matahari today just to get her in the game.

Now then , now then; on which bandwagon should I jump?

Decisions, decisions...

Although I've been eyeing DP for a while, I'd feel bad about voting Llama now that he just got back. To the BWT express.

I'm not voting Llama either. I agree that BWT has flown a bit too low (get it) this game, and that worries me.

Elohcin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:The funny thing is, Rob's analysis is excellent and I would have totally gone along with it if I had not learned, just a couple of seconds ago when I got my new role PM, that it is completely wrong.

That's exactly what a baddie would say

I know, I was [this close] to voting DP because I agreed with Rob too (I nearly voted last night!) but thankfully skimmed the thread first (I'm just now getting up and probably going back to bed) and Drama Llama seems so sincere.

I think that llama backing off Hedge for a not very convincing reason tells a lot. DP probably was bad after all. But I can't bring myself to vote for someone who just replaced in, I'll wait until tomorrow to do that.

For now I'm going to vote BWT, because he has seemed very distant all game.

I completely agree with Rob's analysis and was going to suggest that half of us vote for BWT and half for DP. But, I will give llama a chance to prove himself
Welcome back llama!!!

For the record I voted for BWT based on Epi's analysis.

Matahari wrote:I think that llama backing off Hedge for a not very convincing reason tells a lot.

That's a good point. I wonder if once he gets his feet wet again, he'll be back on her.

Mongoose wrote:

Matahari wrote:I think that llama backing off Hedge for a not very convincing reason tells a lot.

That's a good point. I wonder if once he gets his feet wet again, he'll be back on her.

This will be interesting to see

Crap on a catsuit. I can't even believe we haven't killed any baddies yet.

Speaking of crap...has Brownie been rendered useless now that we are out of Chapter 3? Of course I'd rather him die than another civ, but I don't think MR's death was incidental. I think they laid a trap for poor MR when he warped. Or maybe he had to race them inside?

That last part wasn't clear - do we think it's the traditional baddie team that killed MR or do we think it's Brownie?

At least we aren't in Chapter 5 yet (are we?) because that is when Larries Lament can select up to 3 players to attack. That is terrifying. I am speculating but I'm guessing they can have one more potent attack against one player or three weaker attacks against 3 different players.

Aww RIP- MR & BWT

MovingPictures07 wrote:Not pleased with the number of missed votes. Not at all...

Have you considered actually punishing the people who miss votes? I keep hearing folklore about the wrath of MP and his notorious modkills, but I have yet to see any evidence of it myself.

Good reaction from Mata on my vote for her. I think I might have caught a baddie on my hook.

I was very confident MR was good, so now that it has been confirmed, LIzzy may deserve a look for going after him. I don't blame people for thinking BWT was bad though.

I think Mongoose 2.0 is Dr. Fetus, but I don't think voting for her until the last level will have any effect.

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Not pleased with the number of missed votes. Not at all...

Have you considered actually punishing the people who miss votes? I keep hearing folklore about the wrath of MP and his notorious modkills, but I have yet to see any evidence of it myself.

Yes, players who miss votes have been getting punished for each missed vote.

I am not outright modkilling because, if so, I would have killed over half of the players in my game, and I had no desire to end my game in that fashion.

Elohcin wrote:I have to vote now. I am going to vote BWT for his defensive response to Epi's post.

Ironically enough, this was the vote that sealed my fate.

I only had one life left, so unless I somehow manage to get another helping of lives from somewhere, I think this is it for me. Sorry I couldn't be as active as I wanted to be in this game, everyone! And good luck civvies! Get those baddies!

It is much harder to vote at the last minute when the poll ends so early in the day, but i don't have anyone I wanted to vote for anyway.

thellama73 wrote:Well, as for me, I still am wary of HedgeBaddie and INH, but Hedge's vote analysis was extremely helpful so she gets a pass from me today. I also note that a lot of people have taken no votes and that worries me. If the civvies have all been wearing each other down while the baddies have quietly been taking no votes, it's going to be very hard to kill them, so I am going to throw my vote to Matahari today just to get her in the game.

I agree that this could be an issue, we may be getting close to a point where the remaining civs no longer have the numbers to kill baddies.

RIP MR and BWT!

I was definitely suspecting BWT myself, so going to have to look at things with fresh eyes.

Linki- and my biggest fan is back.

RIP BWT and MR. I am just so confused. This game is truly a difficult one when it comes to finding baddies. Someone will say something and it makes me think, "yes, he is definitely bad." Then the same person will say something I totally agree with and it is hard for me to imagine them bad. :/ I'm at a loss. There is only one person I genuinely suspect, but I will hold off on mentioning who and why until night has passed.

Elohcin wrote:RIP BWT and MR. I am just so confused. This game is truly a difficult one when it comes to finding baddies. Someone will say something and it makes me think, "yes, he is definitely bad." Then the same person will say something I totally agree with and it is hard for me to imagine them bad. :/ I'm at a loss. There is only one person I genuinely suspect, but I will hold off on mentioning who and why until night has passed.

Oh, I think we all know who you mean.

I vote for DP / llama alone and there's a pileup on bird. Hmm...

Epignosis wrote:I vote for DP / llama alone and there's a pileup on bird. Hmm...

Hmm? What are your thoughts? What makes you go hmm.

And, llama, don't be so sure.

Ok, so baddie team = mongoose, llama, hedge, and elohcin? Anyone placing bets? Anyone want to alter my list?

Okay, since you mentioned me, and you are wrong, I was going to say Lizzy, llama, mongoose, and ?.

Elohcin wrote:Okay, since you mentioned me, and you are wrong, I was going to say Lizzy, llama, mongoose, and ?.

Would hedge fit the question mark?

I think I need to wait and see what llama thinks of her in a day or so.

Matahari wrote:Ok, so baddie team = mongoose, llama, hedge, and elohcin? Anyone placing bets? Anyone want to alter my list?

I generally like this list except for me and Elohcin, and maybe Hedge (who I have been reconsidering a lot lately.) Apart from that it's great!

thellama73 wrote:

Matahari wrote:Ok, so baddie team = mongoose, llama, hedge, and elohcin? Anyone placing bets? Anyone want to alter my list?

I generally like this list except for me and Elohcin, and maybe Hedge (who I have been reconsidering a lot lately.) Apart from that it's great!

You should probably reconsider other people as well. I think you've been playing in mud puddles today because you're a dirty dirty boy.

Matahari wrote:Ok, so baddie team = mongoose, llama, hedge, and elohcin? Anyone placing bets? Anyone want to alter my list?

I'm finding it hard to agree with any list of baddies at this point
The arguments for Mongoose being Dr. Fetus have some potential.
I would like to see llama in action again where DP has been absent this whole game.
Hedgebaddie.... maybe... just maybe... But llama seems to have flipped his opinion of Hedgebaddie and this may be something to look at.
Elohcin has been playing a perpetual game of chutes and ladders on my list of baddies and civs. No idea there.

And this post reminds me that I completely forgot a number of people were playing/still alive. Like Vompers, What da hell, man?
And Jigsaw seems to have dropped off the face of the Earth... Not that I have a completely unbiased problem with this
Even you, Mata!! It almost seems strange that you would be the one to put forth a list of the potential mafia, but I may just be pointing fingers now.
I feel like there's someone else but I can't seem to put a finger on who it might be.

But anyways, What's everyone's thoughts on the quieter players?? I feel like the players in the middle of everything are the only ones being targeted for lynches anymore, and look where that's gotten us.

Choosing level 3. I am not bad, you should not lynch me. the end!

Devin the Omniscient wrote: But anyways, What's everyone's thoughts on the quieter players?? I feel like the players in the middle of everything are the only ones being targeted for lynches anymore, and look where that's gotten us.

I trust you, Devin, perhaps mistakenly, but I do so there. I found Mata's sudden list compiling after taking her first vote a big red flag. Feels very diversionary, and I don't agree with her choices.

I have said since the beginning (which got me killed) that I am uncomfortable leaving a bunch of players with zero votes because if we pick wrong (which we have so far) we end up with undamaged baddies who will be very hard to lynch. It's also worth noting that there have been quite a few night kill misses. Whether this has to do with blocking or missed PMs, I don't know, but it seems likely to me that some of the quieter folks are bad.

thellama73 wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote: But anyways, What's everyone's thoughts on the quieter players?? I feel like the players in the middle of everything are the only ones being targeted for lynches anymore, and look where that's gotten us.

I trust you, Devin, perhaps mistakenly, but I do so there. I found Mata's sudden list compiling after taking her first vote a big red flag. Feels very diversionary, and I don't agree with her choices.

I have said since the beginning (which got me killed) that I am uncomfortable leaving a bunch of players with zero votes because if we pick wrong (which we have so far) we end up with undamaged baddies who will be very hard to lynch. It's also worth noting that there have been quite a few night kill misses. Whether this has to do with blocking or missed PMs, I don't know, but it seems likely to me that some of the quieter folks are bad.

I completely agree with you here, llama. I feel we have been doing nothing this entire game, but feeding the baddies' chances of winning, and that scares the silly obnoxious shit out of me... Quite literally
I am willing to revisit Jigsaw because of his disappearance coinciding with the lack of recent NKs. But you are right, this could be very much due to blocks and/or certain civs having a decent enough number of lives.

I'd also like to hear from Matahari regarding the reason we just mentioned.

Choosing level 19 and mixing it up. I usually pick 3 but I'll let Hedge have that one tonight

While I'm here I'll pick 17!

Mongoose wrote:Choosing level 19 and mixing it up. I usually pick 3 but I'll let Hedge have that one tonight

You do? Whoops! I have been trying to mix it up never picking the same number. Keeping baddies on their toes, what what.

I am interested in AP/DP currently, but will be interested to see MAtas response. She has not been her normal self this game I think, but then she is also playing another intense game as well.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I'd also like to hear from Matahari regarding the reason we just mentioned.

Could you kindly rephrase the querstion? I don't understand it in its current form. Thank you dear.

Matahari wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I'd also like to hear from Matahari regarding the reason we just mentioned.

Could you kindly rephrase the querstion? I don't understand it in its current form. Thank you dear.

I'm not quite sure how rephrase this one, tbh, but I will certainly try... Well, you have been especially quiet throughout this whole game. Something that just seems completely out of character for you. I'm used to the Matahari who throws out lots of decent theories regarding her suspicions, and who readily voices support or otherwise for other theories that are put into play. I just haven't seen that this game. And then suddenly here we are in Chapter 5 and you throw out this list of 4 people for the baddie team?? Is that a desperate baddie I'm seeing?... Or what?

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I'd also like to hear from Matahari regarding the reason we just mentioned.

Could you kindly rephrase the querstion? I don't understand it in its current form. Thank you dear.

I'm not quite sure how rephrase this one, tbh, but I will certainly try... Well, you have been especially quiet throughout this whole game. Something that just seems completely out of character for you. I'm used to the Matahari who throws out lots of decent theories regarding her suspicions, and who readily voices support or otherwise for other theories that are put into play. I just haven't seen that this game. And then suddenly here we are in Chapter 5 and you throw out this list of 4 people for the baddie team?? Is that a desperate baddie I'm seeing?... Or what?

Devin, we have played together, twice? If its more than that, I've forgotten. But to be clear, I'm usually always quiet in the games at the syndicate. So who is giving you this info about my play style on other sites?

Now, if I start to feel like I have a grip on the game, and actually have something on someone, I will venture more than a theory. Like I'm thinking I should revise my list now, because you seem to have a teammate, sweetheart.

Matahari wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I'd also like to hear from Matahari regarding the reason we just mentioned.

Could you kindly rephrase the querstion? I don't understand it in its current form. Thank you dear.

I'm not quite sure how rephrase this one, tbh, but I will certainly try... Well, you have been especially quiet throughout this whole game. Something that just seems completely out of character for you. I'm used to the Matahari who throws out lots of decent theories regarding her suspicions, and who readily voices support or otherwise for other theories that are put into play. I just haven't seen that this game. And then suddenly here we are in Chapter 5 and you throw out this list of 4 people for the baddie team?? Is that a desperate baddie I'm seeing?... Or what?

Devin, we have played together, twice? If its more than that, I've forgotten. But to be clear, I'm usually always quiet in the games at the syndicate. So who is giving you this info about my play style on other sites?

Now, if I start to feel like I have a grip on the game, and actually have something on someone, I will venture more than a theory. Like I'm thinking I should revise my list now, because you seem to have a teammate, sweetheart.

Love the use of the fishslap But, umm, no... I'm thinking of Bioshock specifically where you ended up being my biggest rival in the end. Unless I'm misremembering, you were relatively vocal in that game (although you did end up being a baddie...).

And I comletely forgot that you played on other sites and would have been willing to chalk it up to "Busy IRL" If you're in another game right now (or multiples) that would definitely help explain your quietness here. But I am used to seeing something mentioned about your spreadsheets and what your spreadsheet was telling you about baddies/suspicions. I haven't seen anything like that mentioned here.

I believe Matahari was a splicer in Bioshock Mafia. I had to defend her at the end there.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I'd also like to hear from Matahari regarding the reason we just mentioned.

Could you kindly rephrase the querstion? I don't understand it in its current form. Thank you dear.

I'm not quite sure how rephrase this one, tbh, but I will certainly try... Well, you have been especially quiet throughout this whole game. Something that just seems completely out of character for you. I'm used to the Matahari who throws out lots of decent theories regarding her suspicions, and who readily voices support or otherwise for other theories that are put into play. I just haven't seen that this game. And then suddenly here we are in Chapter 5 and you throw out this list of 4 people for the baddie team?? Is that a desperate baddie I'm seeing?... Or what?

Devin, we have played together, twice? If its more than that, I've forgotten. But to be clear, I'm usually always quiet in the games at the syndicate. So who is giving you this info about my play style on other sites?

Now, if I start to feel like I have a grip on the game, and actually have something on someone, I will venture more than a theory. Like I'm thinking I should revise my list now, because you seem to have a teammate, sweetheart.

Love the use of the fishslap But, umm, no... I'm thinking of Bioshock specifically where you ended up being my biggest rival in the end. Unless I'm misremembering, you were relatively vocal in that game (although you did end up being a baddie...).

And I comletely forgot that you played on other sites and would have been willing to chalk it up to "Busy IRL" If you're in another game right now (or multiples) that would definitely help explain your quietness here. But I am used to seeing something mentioned about your spreadsheets and what your spreadsheet was telling you about baddies/suspicions. I haven't seen anything like that mentioned here.

I play from a phone, so I don't keep actual spreadsheets. Just written notes and photos. Yes, I'm in a huge time consuming game at rm, but I actually understand things in that game. This game is not sinking into my brain, when I subbed in, I noticed a ton of jokey posts, and friendliness all around- shame on you people for being so nice!

I really have no idea at all about who is actually bad, or I would attempt an actual case. All I have are pings. My goal in this game was to be sure I post at least once or twice a day, send in my levels, and not not miss votes. But I probably should add understanding what's happening to my goal, but that might be an unattainable goal, ya know?

Well shit, llama

At Mata: Thank you so kindly for explaining why I was wrong, at least, about your quietness

Jeepers!