The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:50 pm Or I guess Insane Cop is another possibility, but again, bastard.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:56 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:50 pm Or I guess Insane Cop is another possibility, but again, bastard.

I'll bite. Let's say, somehow, you're town. Who's reaction to your red check do you think is likely TMI? Who do you think is trying to look good off your flip?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:00 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:39 pm Anyways I have a red on Leetic so merk them so I can die tonight and be showered with praise in dvc

Incredibly based

I'm just here to make life easier Nook

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:13 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:11 pm Well, I know I'm probably dead already. But I implore you that we at least focus on other stuff today. Y'all do realize that this day'll be a complete waste if I flip town (which I will)

If you are a civilian, I know exactly what I'll do.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:13 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:09 pm Okay I'm gonna go give my girlfriend all my attention

Leetic/Long Con/+1

No cap.

When you get back, is your cop gated/limited in any way? like odd night or 2 shot or anything like that?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:15 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:09 pm Okay I'm gonna go give my girlfriend all my attention

Leetic/Long Con/+1

No cap.

That's not cool please.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:20 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Unless there is a tailor in this setup, or there are bastard hidden millers, then you did not get a red check on me. That is clear.

Just because it is possible for a cop to exist in a setup doesn't mean your claim isn't obviously fake. It's possible for a roleblocker to exist, if I claim roleblocker, does that mean that said claim isn;t obviously fake?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:03 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:00 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:39 pm Anyways I have a red on Leetic so merk them so I can die tonight and be showered with praise in dvc

Incredibly based

I'm just here to make life easier Nook

Appreciate you boo

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

My perspective is perhaps biased because I played in a game where someone did exactlly that. https://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vb ... p?t=151853 See Mikey (flashflaash account) on D2 (would be considered D3 in this site's parlance)

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:29 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:06 pm Y'know, usually mechanically outed wolves just stop spewing. Something which I, noticeably, am not doing

This is desperately self-aware. [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:40 pm I hope people are actually active after this day. If the game ends with town that was mislynched on D2 as the highest poster, I will be very upset

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:48 pm Here's a list of every possible scenario that I can think of:

* I am a hidden miller or just scum that didn't get the memo.
** However, this game is not bastard.
* There is a tailor
** But why would they target me when there are many other options more likely to get checked (Scotty, for instance)
* Abigail is pulling a Mikey, fakeclaiming Cop because they think there's no other way to get their scumread lynched
** But how would they be so confident of this after literally just arriving at the game
* Abigail is mafia trying to bait the CC
** Just why? Since the doctor was 2-shot, cop will likely be 2-shot as well and Abigail's slot was in no real danger
* Abigail is just intentionally throwing
** See no reason to count that out now
* Abigail is an independent — either a Jester trying to bait the CC/be exposed when I flip town or a Lyncher with me as the target
** But either of these don't exactly vibe with Dyslexicon's behavior D1. Well, aside from maybe the self-vote, but it was dropped

Why do I feel like I'm writing my own case?

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 12:36 am Or a bus driver! Someone might have wanted to redirect a kill from me onto a scum member and accidentally sent the cop check to them! I'm starting to see possibilities that make sense

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:10 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Well to be stupid I would have to be wrong which I'm not so the insult lost its fangs.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

lololololololololololololololol

You kids are so hilarious.
This also makes zero sense and feels like scrambling what townie would do this?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:44 pm Like seriously it was the easiest choice of my mafia career

What do you do when you sub in to a cop slot in the night with no info?

Cop the extremely loud voice

Oh look red lol

Will anyone listen to me over the 300 poster who's gonna bury my claim though?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 7:54 am

Spoiler: show

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 9:27 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:08 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 3:00 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:58 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:47 pm

Spoiler: show

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 pm Let's take a closer look at Scotty's ISO because why not.



Fluff.



Agreement with me, although I'm not sure if he's insinuating that anything alignment indicative can be gleamed from that or if he's just agreeing that yes, it's a fallacy. Likely fluff



Fluff.



Fluff. Admittedly in response to a fluff vote



First (sort of) substantive post. A bit weird, since I wasn't even responding to Scotty here, I was responding to Delta. A weird interjection, and I'm not sure what he wants us to take away from this. A recurring theme, as you will see



Responses to Delta's questions, the double quoting likely being the result of a technical error. Not much of interest here, although they admit to slanking in this game



His most infamous post. Again, I'm not sure what he wants us to glean from this, and it feels like light shading. At least three other players (pixxy, LP, Jack) have quoted/referenced this to the same effect. Is he trying to attract attention by going after the highest poster, or?



Fluff. Sorry you're going through that by the way



Fluff, saying you're not going to vote for someone for a reason regardless of their potential alignment isn't exactly pushing the game forward.



Now going after Delta. It is interesting that he has only been going after the more active players, although to be fair he may not even be paying attention to the lowposters.



Fluff, and affirming suspicion of Delta (but won't vote, again seemingly doesn't want to push the game forward) Suspicion due to an "IDK" on a GTH, but not like Delta was the only player who acted like that



Weird push, reason for pushing makes no sense, and again going after one of the more (at the time) active players.

I can see two conclusions from this:

1. Scotty is a townie who isn't really paying attention to the game and is mostly posting without thinking
2. They are a wolf that is trying to shade more active town players, potentially being able to prevent a towncore without having to put in too much effort

Both are believable at this point.

leetic, for all the passive aggressive shading I’ve been doing at you, I love this post.

I tend to lean the first, I know he’s in a lot of upheaval irl, but I won’t discount the second.

I’ve never seen bad Scotty so I won’t preclude him being an evil genius, but evil genius Scotty would be more surprising to me than distracted Scotty. I need to see more from him.

@leetic Do you mean 297? I didn’t write 197.

I read other people opinions, and reread him with a different lens.

I’m comfortable with it.

Why Scotty over LP, if you don't mind me askin'?

I feel more connection to a Scotty vote; other than making only one post I found the argument on LP a bit esoteric. They have enough votes without me, so I went with the one I personally feel connected with.

When I first saw Pyxxys post saying I could be expected to fill the role you are, I was like noooo I don’t have the energy. But your level of committment to trying to get people to vote for the person you most suspect definitely reminds me of me when I get a good iron in the fire.

I will try my best to pop in after my interview (from the parking lot) and if it looks like LP may be being saved I’ll sheep your LP vote.

The last sentence suggests that you may have shown up at EoD yesterday, did you and if so did you still feel confident in your Scotty vote? Why didn't you switch to LP if you had the chance?

I didn't have the chance; my interview ran over (I got the job!!) but tbh, I likely would not have changed my vote. As I said yesterday the case on LP was meh to me, it seemed to be based on things that happened out of this game (which was my meaning by "esoteric"), or even this forum as far as I could tell, and on being sus of you. I wasn't rock solid sure that I thought Scotty was bad, but I had more feels about him than LP, or anyone else with votes. In retrospect, I was obvs wrong, but I'm at peace with how I voted.

I have only caught up to my @'s and the host post. TBH I expected leetic to be NKed, especially with LP having been the Doc. Is that why they have so many votes?

Sorry I was AWOL, I had a family thing last night (and will have another tomorrow, I have lotsa sibs and most of them were fall babies) and I have a few errands and a vet appointment this AM, but will be around all PM today to catch up.

Welcome ☆Princess Abigail☆ (can someone tell me how to @ her with that symbol in her name?) you already have more posts than me lol.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:17 am

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 10:44 pm Like seriously it was the easiest choice of my mafia career

What do you do when you sub in to a cop slot in the night with no info?

Cop the extremely loud voice

Oh look red lol

Will anyone listen to me over the 300 poster who's gonna bury my claim though?

I've seen you do this before, with Jay in the Hungry game. I believe you; if you were bad and you wanted him dead so much that you would make a loud fakeclaim to achieve it, you would have just killed him last night, especially after the doc died. And this is exactly what I would have done as cop, too.

Plus in retrospect, Dizzy was playing a cagey game. Involved, keeping up, but not drawing much attention to himself, or making any hard suspicions that could get him NK before he copped someone.

I still will reread the thread this afternoon in order, but I'll trust Abigail here, [VOTE: leetic] aubergine

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:56 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:22 pm That sounds less like a gambit and more like irresponsible narcissism. Is that Abi's MO? That sounds far-fetched, especially for a newcomer to the game. It sounds a lot more like something a wolf might do, but you think Abi is a Town gambit-maker?

My perspective is perhaps biased because I played in a game where someone did exactlly that. https://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vb ... p?t=151853 See Mikey (flashflaash account) on D2 (would be considered D3 in this site's parlance)

Does anyone ever actuality follow these links and read them? I don't bc its useless to base reads on meta bc meta changes game to game. And if you say not me then I would ask - so you still play like your first game? Unsure of everything?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:10 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

Well to be stupid I would have to be wrong which I'm not so the insult lost its fangs.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

lololololololololololololololol

You kids are so hilarious.
This also makes zero sense and feels like scrambling what townie would do this?

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:59 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:56 pm @leetic

Whenever you're around, can you give me a rough outline of how you're reading people right now? Thank you \o/

Delta Seanzie Thunal GTH town

Scotty Jack LP GTH scum

Still don't like Dyslexicon's self-vote, and even if it is RVS they dipped immediately so why?

I'll post in more detail when I'm on my laptop

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:26 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:40 pm I hope people are actually active after this day. If the game ends with town that was mislynched on D2 as the highest poster, I will be very upset

In a game of mafia is not the quantity of posts that makes you town is what you post. You led a v bad elim d 1 calm down its no wonder players do not want to follow you.

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:36 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:51 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:26 pm Sadly, Abigail is probably town. They are doing something incredibly stupid, which will be made clear in due time. But I just don't see mafia doing this — trying to out a potential Cop CC when it's unclear one exists and trying to kill a vocal townie that they could nightkill anyway just doesn't make sense to lose a decently townread player that will be outed by my flip. A 1v1 here will just waste town's day, so I'll try to do my best to avoid it.

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine It is completely weird how they completely avoided talking about the elephant in the room, and since this is likely t/t and the two wagons last EoD that they ignored were also t/t, I think it shows a pretty consistent pattern of a wolf that is happy to let town fight itself.

Using the word *stupid* to describe a player is not nice and frowned upon by me.
I'm glad people are playing their own game instead of the lemmings that followed you yesterday.

It's stupid play because it will lead to an inevitable mislynch and has the potential to out PRs that can stay hidden, which is basically the opposite of what is good for town

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 8:02 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 6:22 am

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:34 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:30 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:12 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:08 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:07 pm I think my favorite thing is the tripping over feet to simultaneously try to shade me and call my claim obviously fake

While also openly acknowledging that it is in fact not obviously fake by speculating about "the real cop"

Leetic: "your play is dangerous because it might out the real cop"

Also leetic: "I claim cop"

Yeah, I'm comfortable calling Leetic mafia.

How are those contradictory statements? I rescinded the claim but an actual cop would have every right to be pissed off by this.

Another person claiming cop would make a hypothetical real cop outside you/Abi more likely to claim.

The point was never to hold onto it for long. Ideally, Abigail would have rescinded, then I would immediately rescind afterwards, and nobody would have to be outed

lololololololololololololololol

You kids are so hilarious.
This also makes zero sense and feels like scrambling what townie would do this?

Ooooh, I see. Cop claim, is it?

Well, if I were cop, I would have checked leetic night one too, especially if I didn't have any strong suspects. I'd want to be sure the person who was trying so aggressively to run the thread had the towns best interests at heart. Makes sense to me.

I'll read Abigail in iso first I guess.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 11:42 am

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:59 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 11, 2023 2:56 pm @leetic

Whenever you're around, can you give me a rough outline of how you're reading people right now? Thank you \o/

Delta Seanzie Thunal GTH town

Scotty Jack LP GTH scum

Still don't like Dyslexicon's self-vote, and even if it is RVS they dipped immediately so why?

I'll post in more detail when I'm on my laptop

I think at least one of Delta/Jack is scum from this assuming leetic is scum. I don't think leetic named 7 villagers.