The Syndicate

insertnamehere wrote:OK, so quick summary of MP and FZ's posts.

MP:
Right out of the gate, he tried to interact with as many people as possible. Llama was the person he talked to the most, and all of those interactions were positive. He began a case on his teammate, FZ, which he pushed for most of the day, before flirting with voting with llama for Dom. In the end, he suddenly voted for Spacedaisy. He was maybe the only person in the thread who defended me against people looking for an easy vote.
he didn't even mention or talk to: A Person, DFaraday, fingersplints, Flyin' High, Elochin, niju, Rey, and Spaghetti.

FZ:
An incredibly wishy-washy player. Goes from condemning a person, to saying that person is the only one she trusts. She starts waffling around an MP vote, but changes her opinion of him once a post. Also extremely divided on Epig and Dom. She finds the sudden bandwagon on me suspicious, as do I, and she mentions Juliets and SD. Then, she mentions voting for SD. Doesn't even address why her, and not juliets. Later, of course, she takes that back and finds me suspicious again. It looks like MP and co. tried to start a bandwagon on SD. MP and Vompatti both voted for her. Vompatti, as always, hides behind a wall of random fuckery, but his buddy-buddy attitude towards both MP and FZ makes me nervous. At this point, I'm pretty sure that SD is not on the same baddie team as MP and FZ. But, the first person MP mentioned that he suspected was FZ. Maybe they're just playing a super fucking ballsy game. Knowing both MP and FZ, it wouldn't surprise me. After talking about Rey for one post, all of a sudden, she calls him "one of my top suspects". She also does the same thing with Mongoose.
People he didn't even mention or talk to: A Person, BWT, Boogs, DFaraday, DP, Elochin, fingersplints, Flyin' High, Kyle, Lea, niju, Snow Dog, and Spaghetti.

People MP and FZ didn't even mention or talk to:
A Person
DFaraday
Elochin
fingersplints
Flyin' High
nijuuk
SpaghettiEverywhere

fingersplints wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:OK, so quick summary of MP and FZ's posts.

MP:
Right out of the gate, he tried to interact with as many people as possible. Llama was the person he talked to the most, and all of those interactions were positive. He began a case on his teammate, FZ, which he pushed for most of the day, before flirting with voting with llama for Dom. In the end, he suddenly voted for Spacedaisy. He was maybe the only person in the thread who defended me against people looking for an easy vote.
he didn't even mention or talk to: A Person, DFaraday, fingersplints, Flyin' High, Elochin, niju, Rey, and Spaghetti.

FZ:
An incredibly wishy-washy player. Goes from condemning a person, to saying that person is the only one she trusts. She starts waffling around an MP vote, but changes her opinion of him once a post. Also extremely divided on Epig and Dom. She finds the sudden bandwagon on me suspicious, as do I, and she mentions Juliets and SD. Then, she mentions voting for SD. Doesn't even address why her, and not juliets. Later, of course, she takes that back and finds me suspicious again. It looks like MP and co. tried to start a bandwagon on SD. MP and Vompatti both voted for her. Vompatti, as always, hides behind a wall of random fuckery, but his buddy-buddy attitude towards both MP and FZ makes me nervous. At this point, I'm pretty sure that SD is not on the same baddie team as MP and FZ. But, the first person MP mentioned that he suspected was FZ. Maybe they're just playing a super fucking ballsy game. Knowing both MP and FZ, it wouldn't surprise me. After talking about Rey for one post, all of a sudden, she calls him "one of my top suspects". She also does the same thing with Mongoose.
People he didn't even mention or talk to: A Person, BWT, Boogs, DFaraday, DP, Elochin, fingersplints, Flyin' High, Kyle, Lea, niju, Snow Dog, and Spaghetti.

People MP and FZ didn't even mention or talk to:
A Person
DFaraday
Elochin
fingersplints
Flyin' High
nijuuk
SpaghettiEverywhere

Why would MP mention me? I didn't join the game until after he was lynched

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:OK, so quick summary of MP and FZ's posts.

MP:
Right out of the gate, he tried to interact with as many people as possible. Llama was the person he talked to the most, and all of those interactions were positive. He began a case on his teammate, FZ, which he pushed for most of the day, before flirting with voting with llama for Dom. In the end, he suddenly voted for Spacedaisy. He was maybe the only person in the thread who defended me against people looking for an easy vote.
he didn't even mention or talk to: A Person, DFaraday, fingersplints, Flyin' High, Elochin, niju, Rey, and Spaghetti.

FZ:
An incredibly wishy-washy player. Goes from condemning a person, to saying that person is the only one she trusts. She starts waffling around an MP vote, but changes her opinion of him once a post. Also extremely divided on Epig and Dom. She finds the sudden bandwagon on me suspicious, as do I, and she mentions Juliets and SD. Then, she mentions voting for SD. Doesn't even address why her, and not juliets. Later, of course, she takes that back and finds me suspicious again. It looks like MP and co. tried to start a bandwagon on SD. MP and Vompatti both voted for her. Vompatti, as always, hides behind a wall of random fuckery, but his buddy-buddy attitude towards both MP and FZ makes me nervous. At this point, I'm pretty sure that SD is not on the same baddie team as MP and FZ. But, the first person MP mentioned that he suspected was FZ. Maybe they're just playing a super fucking ballsy game. Knowing both MP and FZ, it wouldn't surprise me. After talking about Rey for one post, all of a sudden, she calls him "one of my top suspects". She also does the same thing with Mongoose.
People he didn't even mention or talk to: A Person, BWT, Boogs, DFaraday, DP, Elochin, fingersplints, Flyin' High, Kyle, Lea, niju, Snow Dog, and Spaghetti.

People MP and FZ didn't even mention or talk to:
A Person
DFaraday
Elochin
fingersplints
Flyin' High
nijuuk
SpaghettiEverywhere

Why would MP mention me? I didn't join the game until after he was lynched

Too late, you're on the spreadsheet.

Thanks for putting this together INH.

Boogs wrote:Insertnamehere, I'm very confused by that spreadsheet thing. I know you posted what those words mean that you made up, but I don't get TH - and + values? Baffled...

fingersplints wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:OK, so quick summary of MP and FZ's posts.

MP:
Right out of the gate, he tried to interact with as many people as possible. Llama was the person he talked to the most, and all of those interactions were positive. He began a case on his teammate, FZ, which he pushed for most of the day, before flirting with voting with llama for Dom. In the end, he suddenly voted for Spacedaisy. He was maybe the only person in the thread who defended me against people looking for an easy vote.
he didn't even mention or talk to: A Person, DFaraday, fingersplints, Flyin' High, Elochin, niju, Rey, and Spaghetti.

FZ:
An incredibly wishy-washy player. Goes from condemning a person, to saying that person is the only one she trusts. She starts waffling around an MP vote, but changes her opinion of him once a post. Also extremely divided on Epig and Dom. She finds the sudden bandwagon on me suspicious, as do I, and she mentions Juliets and SD. Then, she mentions voting for SD. Doesn't even address why her, and not juliets. Later, of course, she takes that back and finds me suspicious again. It looks like MP and co. tried to start a bandwagon on SD. MP and Vompatti both voted for her. Vompatti, as always, hides behind a wall of random fuckery, but his buddy-buddy attitude towards both MP and FZ makes me nervous. At this point, I'm pretty sure that SD is not on the same baddie team as MP and FZ. But, the first person MP mentioned that he suspected was FZ. Maybe they're just playing a super fucking ballsy game. Knowing both MP and FZ, it wouldn't surprise me. After talking about Rey for one post, all of a sudden, she calls him "one of my top suspects". She also does the same thing with Mongoose.
People he didn't even mention or talk to: A Person, BWT, Boogs, DFaraday, DP, Elochin, fingersplints, Flyin' High, Kyle, Lea, niju, Snow Dog, and Spaghetti.

People MP and FZ didn't even mention or talk to:
A Person
DFaraday
Elochin
fingersplints
Flyin' High
nijuuk
SpaghettiEverywhere

Why would MP mention me? I didn't join the game until after he was lynched

Too late, you're on the spreadsheet.

Thanks for putting this together INH.

I don't accept this.

I did notice while checking MPs posts to verify if the rest of the list is right, that MP seemed to defend inh a lot day 1. (Maybe not a lot. twice at least though) Just interesting since he is trying to draw our attention away just to those who weren't mention even though from FZ we know he likes to mention his teammates.

insertnamehere wrote:the most "liked" was Llama.

thellama73 wrote:So I have been thinking about bandwagonry. Here are the last consecutive votes on FZ.
Spacedaisy (23), Leamiteo (24), DisgruntledPorcupine (25), reywaS (26) 31%

THe reasons for this could be:
1. Members of the second goblin team trying to protect either K4J or Elohcin
2. Members of FZ's team who saw her lynch as inevitable and wanted civ cred for voting for her (this particularly applies to reywaS)
3. Civs with either info or really good instincts.

I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the four is bad, and I already had lingering suspicions about SpaceDaisy and reywaS. Daisy did a pretty good job of logicking me out of voting for her yesterday, so that leaves reywaS. He is going on my list of people to possibly vote for tomorrow along with Mongoose, Dom and MetalMarsh. (in descending order of suspicion.)

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:So I have been thinking about bandwagonry. Here are the last consecutive votes on FZ.
Spacedaisy (23), Leamiteo (24), DisgruntledPorcupine (25), reywaS (26) 31%

THe reasons for this could be:
1. Members of the second goblin team trying to protect either K4J or Elohcin
2. Members of FZ's team who saw her lynch as inevitable and wanted civ cred for voting for her (this particularly applies to reywaS)
3. Civs with either info or really good instincts.

I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the four is bad, and I already had lingering suspicions about SpaceDaisy and reywaS. Daisy did a pretty good job of logicking me out of voting for her yesterday, so that leaves reywaS. He is going on my list of people to possibly vote for tomorrow along with Mongoose, Dom and MetalMarsh. (in descending order of suspicion.)

llama, I went back and looked at your posts because I could not remember what you had said about reywas in the past but I could only find the comment you made to FZ that you were inclined to agree with her that this was rewas's baddie game. Now, I don't mean to say that you had not given him thought all along but could you just expound on the other reasons you see him as potentially bad? Are you saying that the 2cnd reason particularly applies to reywas because he was the last one to vote or are there other reasons you think it particularly applies to him? I'm not trying to challenge your beliefs, I just want to make sure I understand them.

fingersplints wrote: I don't accept this.

I did notice while checking MPs posts to verify if the rest of the list is right, that MP seemed to defend inh a lot day 1. (Maybe not a lot. twice at least though) Just interesting since he is trying to draw our attention away just to those who weren't mention even though from FZ we know he likes to mention his teammates.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:So I have been thinking about bandwagonry. Here are the last consecutive votes on FZ.
Spacedaisy (23), Leamiteo (24), DisgruntledPorcupine (25), reywaS (26) 31%

THe reasons for this could be:
1. Members of the second goblin team trying to protect either K4J or Elohcin
2. Members of FZ's team who saw her lynch as inevitable and wanted civ cred for voting for her (this particularly applies to reywaS)
3. Civs with either info or really good instincts.

I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the four is bad, and I already had lingering suspicions about SpaceDaisy and reywaS. Daisy did a pretty good job of logicking me out of voting for her yesterday, so that leaves reywaS. He is going on my list of people to possibly vote for tomorrow along with Mongoose, Dom and MetalMarsh. (in descending order of suspicion.)

llama, I went back and looked at your posts because I could not remember what you had said about reywas in the past but I could only find the comment you made to FZ that you were inclined to agree with her that this was rewas's baddie game. Now, I don't mean to say that you had not given him thought all along but could you just expound on the other reasons you see him as potentially bad? Are you saying that the 2cnd reason particularly applies to reywas because he was the last one to vote or are there other reasons you think it particularly applies to him? I'm not trying to challenge your beliefs, I just want to make sure I understand them.

Hi juliets!

So far reywaS has mostly escaped my focus, but as you say, the one time I was directed to pay attention to him, I found him shifty.

The last vote on a bandwagon stands out to me, because it is a vote that avoids accountability. The person is going to get lynched anyway, so piling on doesn't make a difference, and if the person flips bad you can say "yay, I voted for a baddie, look how good I am!"

It's not conclusive, but that's why I am thinking reywaS may be a villain this game.

Metalmarsh89 wrote: Then you should vote reywas tomorrow and see what happens.

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote: Some studies have been saying that taking vitamins is associated with earlier death. So some people posit that vitamins are causing people to die early. but in actuality, it's that maybe people who take vitamins feel compelled to do so because their diets are terrible

I don't believe in nutrition.

I do believe you are a bad mongoose this game, though.

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote: Some studies have been saying that taking vitamins is associated with earlier death. So some people posit that vitamins are causing people to die early. but in actuality, it's that maybe people who take vitamins feel compelled to do so because their diets are terrible

I don't believe in nutrition.

I do believe you are a bad mongoose this game, though.

Listen, Brometheus. You can end this senseless campaign against me or you can find something fact-based that I can respond to, which I will happily.

OR you can continue to throw your vote away like a Nader vote in 2000.

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:K4j, do you think that if MP distanced hard from his teammates, that FZ would look to do the same? Seems like her shtick was to play defense, judging by the MP lynch. I am not sure they would both use the same tactics against their own teammates.

This.

thellama73 wrote:So I have been thinking about bandwagonry. Here are the last consecutive votes on FZ.
Spacedaisy (23), Leamiteo (24), DisgruntledPorcupine (25), reywaS (26) 31%

THe reasons for this could be:
1. Members of the second goblin team trying to protect either K4J or Elohcin
2. Members of FZ's team who saw her lynch as inevitable and wanted civ cred for voting for her (this particularly applies to reywaS)
3. Civs with either info or really good instincts.

I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the four is bad, and I already had lingering suspicions about SpaceDaisy and reywaS. Daisy did a pretty good job of logicking me out of voting for her yesterday, so that leaves reywaS. He is going on my list of people to possibly vote for tomorrow along with Mongoose, Dom and MetalMarsh. (in descending order of suspicion.)

Mongoose wrote: After such a long hiatus, I'm feeling rusty. ( I am not, however, feeling Russti, as that would be inappropriate).

I'm hung up on Llama's line (that you quoted) about knowing PMs were missing. I can't get past it. For one, he'd know there were missing PMs if he was on the baddie team, but (and this is a pretty big butt) I can't imagine Llama kowtowing to teammates who wanted to withhold using their power for the day. I know SVS has artfully and tactically used this maneuver, but that's not really his M.O. Let's say that Logan is a civ and didn't send in his power. 1) That's a big slip for him to make in-thread and 2) back to the issue of him being an uber-active player and not wanting to withhold action. He'll wake up to an onslaught tomorrow, but I hope he can delve more into this issue.

Random: Matt is being chatty. And I like that. Sometimes he is like that when he is being managed on a team (Lizzy has handled him quite well in the past, for instance), but I think it's more than he was called out (and Vomperdoodle) for not being as helpful as he could. Matt's a realllllly smart guy, so I'm hoping it's just him feeling comfortable enough to participate more. Mattmatt, I hope you don't take offense of any of that. I know it doesn't sound very polite to insinuate someone is being coached, but that's not precisely what I mean (V&A wouldn't mind being coached by L, if you know what they mean).

Mongoose wrote:I'm going to go ahead and commit to FZ. Plus, I don't want to spread the vote out further, especially when I'm (at least presently) feeling good about Kitty Kitty.

juliets wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

juliets wrote:

Lizzy wrote:Woah, you guys are chatty!

Okay, so I've noticed a few people like to take credit for last night's lynch despite not voting for FZ or not at all.

juliets wrote:I can't believe we got a second baddie on the second day! Good voting all of you who voted FZ.! Goodbye FZ. I'm sorry I won't get to play more with you but I am so glad we've got two down in the first two days - I don't think I've ever seen this before.

With Juliets the situation is a tad delicate. Had I not had a conversation with her in the X-Men game where she confessed that she was not good at building cases and just went with what others brought to the table, I would have wholeheartedly agreed with Rey that her vote for Eloh seems either lazy or opportunistic, or both. Actually, I kinda do a bit. You haven't even mentioned Elo's name until you voted for her, and the reasoning behind it was just that 'oh Rob said his spouse was bad and he's usually right about it' without any other kind of personal input whatsoever. The way this reads to me is that you didn't even go and read Elo's posts to see if Rob does indeed have a point, but merely took his word for it. He's not always right, you know. Actually he screwed up big time in HP and he pretty much handed the game on a silver platter to the baddies because he didn't read Elo correctly. I'm not saying this is the case here, he actually made some pretty good points and well worth looking into, but the way you justify your choice is questionable, to put it nicely. I remember encouraging you to practice and develop your case building skills. I think that is more desirable than following others just because 'they're usually right'. I will be keeping an eye on you though.

It's true I'm not really a case builder but the reason I went with Epig was a little different. And you're right I didn't mention Eloh's name until I voted her but I don't really see what that has to do with anything since I've said forthrightly that it's the fact that Epi made the case that made the case compelling. You may have noticed but he often connects dots that others have not because in my opinion he see's relationships where others of us may not. I can see what you mean by the way it looks like I didn't go over the facts of her case but I did and as I said above, it was Epig's conclusions that sold me. And I realize he was wrong once in HP but I have seen him do this and be right in many, many games. He's the only person I can think of that I would vote based on his opinion of a certain person so I don't just vote based on just anyone being 'usually right'. I think to truly understand this whole thing you would have had to be part of the conversations Epig and I had about his reads of Eloh so I understand that you would want to keep and eye on me, even though I'm not sure why voting with Epig would mean I was bad unless he was bad. Maybe thats what you meant. Anyway, I think I've said all there is to say about my vote for Eloh.

And where have you had these conversations about me? BTSC perhaps? BTSC during THIS GAME perhaps? on the both of yuse.

Yes btsc in the champions game.

thellama73 wrote:So I have been thinking about bandwagonry. Here are the last consecutive votes on FZ.
Spacedaisy (23), Leamiteo (24), DisgruntledPorcupine (25), reywaS (26) 31%

THe reasons for this could be:
1. Members of the second goblin team trying to protect either K4J or Elohcin
2. Members of FZ's team who saw her lynch as inevitable and wanted civ cred for voting for her (this particularly applies to reywaS)
3. Civs with either info or really good instincts.

I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the four is bad, and I already had lingering suspicions about SpaceDaisy and reywaS. Daisy did a pretty good job of logicking me out of voting for her yesterday, so that leaves reywaS. He is going on my list of people to possibly vote for tomorrow along with Mongoose, Dom and MetalMarsh. (in descending order of suspicion.)

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:So I have been thinking about bandwagonry. Here are the last consecutive votes on FZ.
Spacedaisy (23), Leamiteo (24), DisgruntledPorcupine (25), reywaS (26) 31%

THe reasons for this could be:
1. Members of the second goblin team trying to protect either K4J or Elohcin
2. Members of FZ's team who saw her lynch as inevitable and wanted civ cred for voting for her (this particularly applies to reywaS)
3. Civs with either info or really good instincts.

I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the four is bad, and I already had lingering suspicions about SpaceDaisy and reywaS. Daisy did a pretty good job of logicking me out of voting for her yesterday, so that leaves reywaS. He is going on my list of people to possibly vote for tomorrow along with Mongoose, Dom and MetalMarsh. (in descending order of suspicion.)

llama, I went back and looked at your posts because I could not remember what you had said about reywas in the past but I could only find the comment you made to FZ that you were inclined to agree with her that this was rewas's baddie game. Now, I don't mean to say that you had not given him thought all along but could you just expound on the other reasons you see him as potentially bad? Are you saying that the 2cnd reason particularly applies to reywas because he was the last one to vote or are there other reasons you think it particularly applies to him? I'm not trying to challenge your beliefs, I just want to make sure I understand them.

Hi juliets!

So far reywaS has mostly escaped my focus, but as you say, the one time I was directed to pay attention to him, I found him shifty.

The last vote on a bandwagon stands out to me, because it is a vote that avoids accountability. The person is going to get lynched anyway, so piling on doesn't make a difference, and if the person flips bad you can say "yay, I voted for a baddie, look how good I am!"

It's not conclusive, but that's why I am thinking reywaS may be a villain this game.

Elohcin wrote:
From what I remember of the BTSC in the champions game he did not reveal much of why he could read me, only that he COULD read me. In fact, I remember you and I asking him how he knows whether I am good or bad and he refused to say. Why would he reveal how he reads me good or bad when I was a part of the BTSC? That would be silly.

Now for more catching up. Y'all talk a lot

kneel4justice wrote:

thellama73 wrote:So I have been thinking about bandwagonry. Here are the last consecutive votes on FZ.
Spacedaisy (23), Leamiteo (24), DisgruntledPorcupine (25), reywaS (26) 31%

THe reasons for this could be:
1. Members of the second goblin team trying to protect either K4J or Elohcin
2. Members of FZ's team who saw her lynch as inevitable and wanted civ cred for voting for her (this particularly applies to reywaS)
3. Civs with either info or really good instincts.

I'm inclined to believe that at least one of the four is bad, and I already had lingering suspicions about SpaceDaisy and reywaS. Daisy did a pretty good job of logicking me out of voting for her yesterday, so that leaves reywaS. He is going on my list of people to possibly vote for tomorrow along with Mongoose, Dom and MetalMarsh. (in descending order of suspicion.)

I'm not sure what to think about Rey. I thought that his suspicion of FZ was a good thing, he was going against here when really, only I was. Unless it was distancing and he didn't think she had a chance at being lynched. I do remember come the last few minutes when I had more votes or was tied I saw him online but not posting & asked him if he was going to vote, only then did he. So I guess it is a possibility that he and FZ got carried away in distancing and he was forced to vote her.
I was hoping he was good because I liked his posts against FZ.

Mongoose wrote:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:K4j, do you think that if MP distanced hard from his teammates, that FZ would look to do the same? Seems like her shtick was to play defense, judging by the MP lynch. I am not sure they would both use the same tactics against their own teammates.

This.

Mongoose wrote: I'm not really saying anything yet; I gotta see the stats. However, if there were only 2 names neither cited, I'd really wanna know about it. MP was only here for Day 1 period though, so I bet the list would not just be 2 people.

And again, I'm leery of the causation = correlation argument, so even though Eloh is on that list -- that alone isn't enough to ensure my vote for her without some intense, corroborating evidence.

Mongoose, you seem to imply that there is no corroborating evidence against Eloh. Have you read Epig's posts?

of course i have, but i was talking about the stats in a vacuum and saying I couldnt just rely on those.

Elohcin wrote:
And where have you had these conversations about me? BTSC perhaps? BTSC during THIS GAME perhaps? on the both of yuse.

Elohcin wrote:
From what I remember of the BTSC in the champions game he did not reveal much of why he could read me, only that he COULD read me. In fact, I remember you and I asking him how he knows whether I am good or bad and he refused to say. Why would he reveal how he reads me good or bad when I was a part of the BTSC? That would be silly.

Now for more catching up. Y'all talk a lot

kneel4justice wrote:

Dom wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:K4j, do you think that if MP distanced hard from his teammates, that FZ would look to do the same? Seems like her shtick was to play defense, judging by the MP lynch. I am not sure they would both use the same tactics against their own teammates.

This.

So you're against the idea that FZ distanced from at least one team-member?

thellama73 wrote:Just did a full reread of Mongoose. If you look up "non-committal" in the dictionary, there is a picture of her. I encourage everyone else to do the same reread, because I think you will be struck by how few opinions she has actually advanced. In fact, she hasn't overtly come out and suspected anyone all game. Her posts mainly consist of asking questions and pondering unproductively, and while she claims to be doing analysis, there is no in-thread evidence of this.

These two posts stood out to me.

Mongoose wrote: After such a long hiatus, I'm feeling rusty. ( I am not, however, feeling Russti, as that would be inappropriate).

I'm hung up on Llama's line (that you quoted) about knowing PMs were missing. I can't get past it. For one, he'd know there were missing PMs if he was on the baddie team, but (and this is a pretty big butt) I can't imagine Llama kowtowing to teammates who wanted to withhold using their power for the day. I know SVS has artfully and tactically used this maneuver, but that's not really his M.O. Let's say that Logan is a civ and didn't send in his power. 1) That's a big slip for him to make in-thread and 2) back to the issue of him being an uber-active player and not wanting to withhold action. He'll wake up to an onslaught tomorrow, but I hope he can delve more into this issue.

Random: Matt is being chatty. And I like that. Sometimes he is like that when he is being managed on a team (Lizzy has handled him quite well in the past, for instance), but I think it's more than he was called out (and Vomperdoodle) for not being as helpful as he could. Matt's a realllllly smart guy, so I'm hoping it's just him feeling comfortable enough to participate more. Mattmatt, I hope you don't take offense of any of that. I know it doesn't sound very polite to insinuate someone is being coached, but that's not precisely what I mean (V&A wouldn't mind being coached by L, if you know what they mean).

Notice the subtle implantation of the seed that I am not to be trusted. Not an accusation, just hints, almost subliminal remarks designed to undermine me in the eyes of others. Very clever.

Second,

Mongoose wrote:I'm going to go ahead and commit to FZ. Plus, I don't want to spread the vote out further, especially when I'm (at least presently) feeling good about Kitty Kitty.

Why vote FZ? She doesn't ever say. It is a go-along-to-get-along vote. She missed the Day 1 vote and gave no real reason for her Day 2 vote. The only thing this vote proves is that she is probably not on FZ's team, but I think she is a baddie nevertheless.

Other people should read. I think you'll see what I see.

Dom wrote: Just to clarify, Llama, you think Mongoose is on a team with FZ?

juliets wrote:Mongoose, one of the things that would be helpful to me in lieu of llama's suspicions is to explain why you haven't really talked about suspects, even to the point of not giving a reason for your FZ vote.

juliets wrote:Mongoose, one of the things that would be helpful to me in lieu of llama's suspicions is to explain why you haven't really talked about suspects, even to the point of not giving a reason for your FZ vote.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:Mongoose, one of the things that would be helpful to me in lieu of llama's suspicions is to explain why you haven't really talked about suspects, even to the point of not giving a reason for your FZ vote.

Why can't it be in addition to my suspicions?

A Person wrote:i just remembered to vote but the poll's over