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Why would you mention the other self-votes if you are not concerned with them?Turnip Head wrote:MM's self vote feels opportunistic, coming on the heels of two other self-votes, a full 48 hours before lynch deadline. He didn't show up in the thread at all until I called him out, 48 hours after the game had started. After his self-vote, he continued posting, but not with much frequency. And then he suddenly became outspoken during the Night phase. Something's rotten in the state of Marsh.
I believe it's called entrapment.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why did it not bother you at all yesterday, when I actually placed the vote?
Oh I see.Turnip Head wrote:Oh, I was talking about the two players who self-voted before you in this game. You know about this detail because you argued with Long Con over it a bit. MP and Vomps started the trend and you joined in. Then LC called you on it. As you mentioned yourself, it's interesting that LC isn't going after the other two self-voters, only you. I think you're working together.
Fair enough. I will keep working. Good job on RR BTW.fingersplints wrote:Zomba, most of the people in RR who were low posters and bad are generally fairly low posters though. I guess you'd have to be more specific with whose low posting is bothering you and then we could see if that is normal for that player or not.
Linki: now that RR is over you will hear more from me. but I have a hard time keeping up in big games with weird mechanics, so don't expect me to be as vocal as RR.
I didn't have time to read the thread when I was on vacation. I have time to read the thread now. There's a really big difference there.Zombarella wrote:birdwithteeth11 wrote:Do I get an answer to my question, Zomba?
Linki - Thank you SVS. I didn't realize that I was coming across as overly aggressive. Any yes, I am actually a fairly forgetful player. Sorry about the avatar thing. I'll leave it for now.
BWT - If you will kindly remember, I mentioned earlier (and LC quoted and then I requoted) that I want to pursue a strategy of looking at people who appear to not be reading the thread. This makes sense to me because as a baddie in Roger Rabbit I knew who all the civies and baddies were so I didn't need to read carefully in order to figure it out who was who. I'm not saying that you didn't read and I'm not saying that you're not busy. I'm just saying that I'm not convinced. One reason is that you said you didn't have time to read (MM already posted this). You don't have to convince me if you don't want - but .... I'm just sayin....
This is where I am right now as well.Metalmarsh89 wrote:It was a joke. I don't plan on jumping the gun today.S~V~S wrote:RIP BR
What is that bit about AP stealing a skull?
And I guess no one is much worried about the will, since no one stole it from me last night.
Who?Metalmarsh89 wrote:I know who I'm voting for today and it's not Metalmarsh89.
But if I were to vote right now, it would be Zomba.
Very interesting, TH. I will think on this some.Turnip Head wrote:I think MM is the Millionaire, and I think Con is in on it.
MM's self vote feels opportunistic, coming on the heels of two other self-votes, a full 48 hours before lynch deadline. He didn't show up in the thread at all until I called him out, 48 hours after the game had started. After his self-vote, he continued posting, but not with much frequency. And then he suddenly became outspoken during the Night phase. Something's rotten in the state of Marsh.
Despite the fact that LC was suspicious of BF, he voted for MM well after it was clear the lynch was heading BF's direction, which makes it seem disingenuous to me. In that scenario, LC should have voted for a player he was suspicious of with the most votes, due to the presence of the Millionaire, meaning he should have voted BF if he was legitimately suspicious of him.
So you're speculating about Celestial business, while casually implying that you could be a Celestial by your item choice. Seems legit.Long Con wrote:Also, have fun with the Ivory Arrow, Ichabod. I hope it is one of the five Treasures of the Orient. I think it's more likely that Ichabod took the Arrow because it sounds like it could be one of the Treasures. If Tim Waldo is the one who stole it, well, dumb move pal, because it really doesn't do anything.
So the Blond Beast of Bremen is now in possession of Black Rock's Two-Headed Elephant charm. I don't know if they did that to screw with the Celestials, or what... I think the Five Treasures are probably the Green Jade Hand, the Silver Buddha, the Two-Headed Elephant charm, the Ivory Arrow, and the Ivory Ball. Maybe the Silver Coin or the Amber Necklace.
Llama, do the Celestials know the five items they're looking for? Interesting if they do, because perhaps they would have gone for those items in the first poll.
From what I have read about HSKeeler, he likes to make seemingly important things be useless, while seemingly unimportant things are actually of utmost importance. So maybe the five Treasures are
the Clock, the Handkerchief, the Juju Berries, the Bottle, and the Nothing.
I'm starting to develop a new theory on people who bring up previous mafia games. I think doing so to prove a point is moot. People can change their playing style and adapt from game to game. What a person does in one game has, IMO, little to no effect on how they play future games.Metalmarsh89 wrote:No you didn't, but that was the last game before Roger Rabbit.Turnip Head wrote:I said absolutely nothing about Death Note?
But since you are making a connection between my self-vote here and ones from previous games (Roger Rabbit and Film Director), let me ask you this. What do you think about my self-votes from those games, the reasoning behind them, and why do you think this one is indicative of a baddie in comparison/contrast to those? Here are the reasons listed below.
Here is my reason for self-voting in Roger Rabbit. I was a civilian in this game.
Here is my reason for self-voting in Film Director. I was a baddie in that game.
me going over the Celestial stuff was a result of me getting my Ivory Arrow stolen. And why would I try to roleclaim a role on a BTSC team that I'm not on?birdwithteeth11 wrote:Very interesting, TH. I will think on this some.Turnip Head wrote:I think MM is the Millionaire, and I think Con is in on it.
MM's self vote feels opportunistic, coming on the heels of two other self-votes, a full 48 hours before lynch deadline. He didn't show up in the thread at all until I called him out, 48 hours after the game had started. After his self-vote, he continued posting, but not with much frequency. And then he suddenly became outspoken during the Night phase. Something's rotten in the state of Marsh.
Despite the fact that LC was suspicious of BF, he voted for MM well after it was clear the lynch was heading BF's direction, which makes it seem disingenuous to me. In that scenario, LC should have voted for a player he was suspicious of with the most votes, due to the presence of the Millionaire, meaning he should have voted BF if he was legitimately suspicious of him.
So you're speculating about Celestial business, while casually implying that you could be a Celestial by your item choice. Seems legit.Long Con wrote:Also, have fun with the Ivory Arrow, Ichabod. I hope it is one of the five Treasures of the Orient. I think it's more likely that Ichabod took the Arrow because it sounds like it could be one of the Treasures. If Tim Waldo is the one who stole it, well, dumb move pal, because it really doesn't do anything.
So the Blond Beast of Bremen is now in possession of Black Rock's Two-Headed Elephant charm. I don't know if they did that to screw with the Celestials, or what... I think the Five Treasures are probably the Green Jade Hand, the Silver Buddha, the Two-Headed Elephant charm, the Ivory Arrow, and the Ivory Ball. Maybe the Silver Coin or the Amber Necklace.
Llama, do the Celestials know the five items they're looking for? Interesting if they do, because perhaps they would have gone for those items in the first poll.
From what I have read about HSKeeler, he likes to make seemingly important things be useless, while seemingly unimportant things are actually of utmost importance. So maybe the five Treasures are
the Clock, the Handkerchief, the Juju Berries, the Bottle, and the Nothing.
Him going over the Celestial stuff reads more to me like someone trying to deflect attention in the thread to another topic. Assuming the rest of what you are saying is true.
You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.Long Con wrote:Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.Golden wrote:I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.
Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?
Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.
I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.
Oh yeah! The stock certificate. I used it to light a fire and it burned up.LizKeen wrote:Zombarella, I have read the entire game, I was actually making a joke about real-life stocks not commenting on the game stock. Guess I should have made that more clear. And compared to some of the other players who have been rl busy or whatnot I have posted. There's so many loooonnnngggg posts and requotes it is hard to keep up and remember exactly what was said about everything though. Did anything come of burning the penny stock?
I may have something to add but I'm waiting on confirmation from Llama.
Interesting.....I will be careful.LizKeen wrote:Well that was quick, I like a host who's on it
I'm guessing SVS's will wasn't stolen because they were too busy stealing my ear tubes. But not before I overheard something. I don't know much but my advice today would be: Zombarella - be very careful who you put your vote on today. And everyone should be on the lookout for easy lynches.
I hope I was allowed to say all that. I only confirmed that I could say the tubes were stolen.
Also- RIP BR
And those pictures are great!
Go to your better-looking neighbor's house?LizKeen wrote:It makes an old lady cranky when you take her hearing device. How am I supposed to hear gentleman callers?
To make us think you were on that team, instead of potentially being MM's teammate.Long Con wrote:me going over the Celestial stuff was a result of me getting my Ivory Arrow stolen. And why would I try to roleclaim a role on a BTSC team that I'm not on?birdwithteeth11 wrote:Very interesting, TH. I will think on this some.Turnip Head wrote:I think MM is the Millionaire, and I think Con is in on it.
MM's self vote feels opportunistic, coming on the heels of two other self-votes, a full 48 hours before lynch deadline. He didn't show up in the thread at all until I called him out, 48 hours after the game had started. After his self-vote, he continued posting, but not with much frequency. And then he suddenly became outspoken during the Night phase. Something's rotten in the state of Marsh.
Despite the fact that LC was suspicious of BF, he voted for MM well after it was clear the lynch was heading BF's direction, which makes it seem disingenuous to me. In that scenario, LC should have voted for a player he was suspicious of with the most votes, due to the presence of the Millionaire, meaning he should have voted BF if he was legitimately suspicious of him.
So you're speculating about Celestial business, while casually implying that you could be a Celestial by your item choice. Seems legit.Long Con wrote:Also, have fun with the Ivory Arrow, Ichabod. I hope it is one of the five Treasures of the Orient. I think it's more likely that Ichabod took the Arrow because it sounds like it could be one of the Treasures. If Tim Waldo is the one who stole it, well, dumb move pal, because it really doesn't do anything.
So the Blond Beast of Bremen is now in possession of Black Rock's Two-Headed Elephant charm. I don't know if they did that to screw with the Celestials, or what... I think the Five Treasures are probably the Green Jade Hand, the Silver Buddha, the Two-Headed Elephant charm, the Ivory Arrow, and the Ivory Ball. Maybe the Silver Coin or the Amber Necklace.
Llama, do the Celestials know the five items they're looking for? Interesting if they do, because perhaps they would have gone for those items in the first poll.
From what I have read about HSKeeler, he likes to make seemingly important things be useless, while seemingly unimportant things are actually of utmost importance. So maybe the five Treasures are
the Clock, the Handkerchief, the Juju Berries, the Bottle, and the Nothing.
Him going over the Celestial stuff reads more to me like someone trying to deflect attention in the thread to another topic. Assuming the rest of what you are saying is true.
Turnip Head wrote:I am not making a connection to your reasons for self-voting in other games so I don't know what you're talking about. I am only concerned with your self-voting here. And here your self-vote here felt reactionary and opportunistic.
Exactly. It is all exactly as you have described.rabbit8 wrote:Turnip Head wrote:I am not making a connection to your reasons for self-voting in other games so I don't know what you're talking about. I am only concerned with your self-voting here. And here your self-vote here felt reactionary and opportunistic.
I thought the impulsive remark was a weird way to word a response about it. Considering Goldens vote for me was the same thing. Though Goldens was out of frustration. And MM was claiming she had voted in RR the same way and that she was not going to self vote and not vote for MP.
Gender fix'd for you. :Prabbit8 wrote:Turnip Head wrote:I am not making a connection to your reasons for self-voting in other games so I don't know what you're talking about. I am only concerned with your self-voting here. And here your self-vote here felt reactionary and opportunistic.
I thought the impulsive remark was a weird way to word a response about it. Considering Goldens vote for me was the same thing. Though Goldens was out of frustration. And MM was claiming he had voted in RR the same way and that he was not going to self vote and not vote for MP.
him like crazy. He took it personal and talked about being insulted and being replaced and reacted in a way that had nothing to do with what was going on in thread. I didnt see anyone unsulting mp, no one was even going very hard against him. on that now.We're only 13% as long as Death Note. Let's keep those posts coming!Sophie wrote:According to page 1 he is.
So im
Gonna keep reading a bit. Hope i end before 2020.
This is hard.
People should stop posting until i finish my catch up, tbh.thellama73 wrote:We're only 13% as long as Death Note. Let's keep those posts coming!Sophie wrote:According to page 1 he is.
So im
Gonna keep reading a bit. Hope i end before 2020.
This is hard.
Who is this she? Juliets?rabbit8 wrote:Turnip Head wrote:I am not making a connection to your reasons for self-voting in other games so I don't know what you're talking about. I am only concerned with your self-voting here. And here your self-vote here felt reactionary and opportunistic.
I thought the impulsive remark was a weird way to word a response about it. Considering Goldens vote for me was the same thing. Though Goldens was out of frustration. And MM was claiming she had voted in RR the same way and that she was not going to self vote and not vote for MP.
I misunderstood TH. I thought he was bring up previous mafia games, to which I asked what connections he saw.birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm starting to develop a new theory on people who bring up previous mafia games. I think doing so to prove a point is moot. People can change their playing style and adapt from game to game. What a person does in one game has, IMO, little to no effect on how they play future games.Metalmarsh89 wrote:No you didn't, but that was the last game before Roger Rabbit.Turnip Head wrote:I said absolutely nothing about Death Note?
But since you are making a connection between my self-vote here and ones from previous games (Roger Rabbit and Film Director), let me ask you this. What do you think about my self-votes from those games, the reasoning behind them, and why do you think this one is indicative of a baddie in comparison/contrast to those? Here are the reasons listed below.
Here is my reason for self-voting in Roger Rabbit. I was a civilian in this game.
Here is my reason for self-voting in Film Director. I was a baddie in that game.
In other words, I don't think you self-voting in 2 different games tells us much about your alignment in this game. So why bring up Death Note at all?
I love the irony in this. Dipsomaniac Modest Mussorgsky as the silencer.thellama73 wrote:
Ivan Kossakoff - The Strangler - Can silence every night.
Go ahead and lynch him. If he's the Millionaire, then I guess I'm boned.birdwithteeth11 wrote:To make us think you were on that team, instead of potentially being MM's teammate.Long Con wrote:me going over the Celestial stuff was a result of me getting my Ivory Arrow stolen. And why would I try to roleclaim a role on a BTSC team that I'm not on?birdwithteeth11 wrote:Very interesting, TH. I will think on this some.Turnip Head wrote:I think MM is the Millionaire, and I think Con is in on it.
MM's self vote feels opportunistic, coming on the heels of two other self-votes, a full 48 hours before lynch deadline. He didn't show up in the thread at all until I called him out, 48 hours after the game had started. After his self-vote, he continued posting, but not with much frequency. And then he suddenly became outspoken during the Night phase. Something's rotten in the state of Marsh.
Despite the fact that LC was suspicious of BF, he voted for MM well after it was clear the lynch was heading BF's direction, which makes it seem disingenuous to me. In that scenario, LC should have voted for a player he was suspicious of with the most votes, due to the presence of the Millionaire, meaning he should have voted BF if he was legitimately suspicious of him.
So you're speculating about Celestial business, while casually implying that you could be a Celestial by your item choice. Seems legit.Long Con wrote:Also, have fun with the Ivory Arrow, Ichabod. I hope it is one of the five Treasures of the Orient. I think it's more likely that Ichabod took the Arrow because it sounds like it could be one of the Treasures. If Tim Waldo is the one who stole it, well, dumb move pal, because it really doesn't do anything.
So the Blond Beast of Bremen is now in possession of Black Rock's Two-Headed Elephant charm. I don't know if they did that to screw with the Celestials, or what... I think the Five Treasures are probably the Green Jade Hand, the Silver Buddha, the Two-Headed Elephant charm, the Ivory Arrow, and the Ivory Ball. Maybe the Silver Coin or the Amber Necklace.
Llama, do the Celestials know the five items they're looking for? Interesting if they do, because perhaps they would have gone for those items in the first poll.
From what I have read about HSKeeler, he likes to make seemingly important things be useless, while seemingly unimportant things are actually of utmost importance. So maybe the five Treasures are
the Clock, the Handkerchief, the Juju Berries, the Bottle, and the Nothing.
Him going over the Celestial stuff reads more to me like someone trying to deflect attention in the thread to another topic. Assuming the rest of what you are saying is true.
But I'm not his teammate.Absolutely, if the roles had ended up with MM as the Millionaire and myself as his teammate... but that is not the case here.Epignosis wrote:You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.Long Con wrote:Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.Golden wrote:I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.
Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?
Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.
I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.
Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?
I'm not planning on voting for you anyway. There's a rather obvious reason why.Long Con wrote:Absolutely, if the roles had ended up with MM as the Millionaire and myself as his teammate... but that is not the case here.Epignosis wrote:You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.Long Con wrote:Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.Golden wrote:I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.
Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?
Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.
I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.
Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?
You make a good point though, in a more general sense. It's not fair for me to keep voting for self-voters. I see it as a pro-Civvie thing to do, and so I do it when I'm a Civvie for the right reasons, and when I'm not - as Judge Doom, I did it because I wanted to be playing my Civvie game. But, I see now that it actually makes me no better than the chronic self-voters themselves... well, maybe a little better, because their self-voting never helps the Civvies, while my crusade does have potential to help a lot.
Yeah, I doubt I'll even need to play that card. Who knows, maybe I surprised everyone this time.Epignosis wrote:I'm not planning on voting for you anyway. There's a rather obvious reason why.Long Con wrote:Absolutely, if the roles had ended up with MM as the Millionaire and myself as his teammate... but that is not the case here.Epignosis wrote:You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.Long Con wrote:Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.Golden wrote:I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.
Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?
Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.
I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.
Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?
You make a good point though, in a more general sense. It's not fair for me to keep voting for self-voters. I see it as a pro-Civvie thing to do, and so I do it when I'm a Civvie for the right reasons, and when I'm not - as Judge Doom, I did it because I wanted to be playing my Civvie game. But, I see now that it actually makes me no better than the chronic self-voters themselves... well, maybe a little better, because their self-voting never helps the Civvies, while my crusade does have potential to help a lot.
I still think you could be trying to squeeze a little life out of it as a baddie this time.Metalmarsh89 wrote:While we're at it Long Con, what are your thoughts on me right now, now that it's post-Day-1-obligatory-vote-the-self-voter-day?
Why's that?Epignosis wrote:I'm not planning on voting for you anyway. There's a rather obvious reason why.Long Con wrote:Absolutely, if the roles had ended up with MM as the Millionaire and myself as his teammate... but that is not the case here.Epignosis wrote:You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.Long Con wrote:Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.Golden wrote:I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.
Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?
Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.
I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.
Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?
You make a good point though, in a more general sense. It's not fair for me to keep voting for self-voters. I see it as a pro-Civvie thing to do, and so I do it when I'm a Civvie for the right reasons, and when I'm not - as Judge Doom, I did it because I wanted to be playing my Civvie game. But, I see now that it actually makes me no better than the chronic self-voters themselves... well, maybe a little better, because their self-voting never helps the Civvies, while my crusade does have potential to help a lot.
Why not? Unless you don't think LC and MM are potential teammates, I can't think of a good reason to not consider voting for one of them.Epignosis wrote:I'm not planning on voting for you anyway. There's a rather obvious reason why.Long Con wrote:Absolutely, if the roles had ended up with MM as the Millionaire and myself as his teammate... but that is not the case here.Epignosis wrote:You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.Long Con wrote:Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.Golden wrote:I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.
Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?
Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.
I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.
Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?
You make a good point though, in a more general sense. It's not fair for me to keep voting for self-voters. I see it as a pro-Civvie thing to do, and so I do it when I'm a Civvie for the right reasons, and when I'm not - as Judge Doom, I did it because I wanted to be playing my Civvie game. But, I see now that it actually makes me no better than the chronic self-voters themselves... well, maybe a little better, because their self-voting never helps the Civvies, while my crusade does have potential to help a lot.
Chicken fat.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why's that?Epignosis wrote:I'm not planning on voting for you anyway. There's a rather obvious reason why.Long Con wrote:Absolutely, if the roles had ended up with MM as the Millionaire and myself as his teammate... but that is not the case here.Epignosis wrote:You were Judge Doom in Roger Rabbit. I looked up Film Directors to see how you voted when you were good. You voted A Person for self-voting. What I'm driving at is this: The past few games, good or bad, you've preached on holding people responsible for how their consistencies. I thought about this, and wondered if the "standard operating procedure" bug has bit you. Good or bad, you've voted self-voters- that has become YOUR thing.Long Con wrote:Fine, because you said 'please', and in the interest of finding out where he's going: I have voted for metalmarsh before for repeatedly self-voting. Epig knows this already because it happened in the game he hosted. In that game, I posted my opinion about the repeated self-voting practice, quoting from the Film Director's game which was, I believe, my original statement on the subject on The Syndicate. The basis of this opinion was formed long ago on Lostpedia, when a player there self-voted every time on Day One.Golden wrote:I want you to play epi's mindgame, please...Long Con wrote:He wants me to play Epig's mindgame first.
I shouldn't have to be the only one whose played.
Here is something for you, though, LC. I said, on day one, that we should be very wary of voting for self-voters, because they might be the millionaire and fishing for votes to make them more powerful. Why didn't you take that into account?
Epig knows all this already, and lied about not recalling me doing it before. I don't know what his angle is, or why he'd lie about it, but the fact that he lied about it makes me wary of responding the way he obviously wants me to.
I didn't take that into account, Golden, when I voted. It's a fine theory, but it didn't cross my mind during the time I voted. Perhaps we should all pile on the votes to the lynch leader as a general rule in order to minimize the Millionaire's advantage.
Here, there's an incentive to get votes on one player. If Metalmarsh was that player, and you were a teammate, that's a brilliant opportunity, is it not?
You make a good point though, in a more general sense. It's not fair for me to keep voting for self-voters. I see it as a pro-Civvie thing to do, and so I do it when I'm a Civvie for the right reasons, and when I'm not - as Judge Doom, I did it because I wanted to be playing my Civvie game. But, I see now that it actually makes me no better than the chronic self-voters themselves... well, maybe a little better, because their self-voting never helps the Civvies, while my crusade does have potential to help a lot.
