The Syndicate

Boomslang wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

Boomslang wrote:Arrrgh there are already three pages. Which is great from an info perspective, bad from a I'm-drinking-Manhattans-and-wasn't-ready-for-this perspective.

But I like this poll. Lots of different interpretations: what roles people liked, which ones they actually think are in the game. Another theory: could this poll actually be determining the role of one player? It could be like a play-in game in the NCAA tournament, as it were. I don't know how closely the roles have been imported, but if they are faithful, that'd seem to hint against Watari, because there were so many role interactions going on in Death Note.

Tranq's slip of calling Finn McMissile mafia (the role was part of a second civ team) is too easily fact-checkable to be intentional, imo.

Question: Does anyone think this is too defensive? Follow up question: Does anyone remember any other contribution Tranq made to Night 0? Anything at all?

Too defensive?



Look, Tranq didn't make any other contribution to Night 1, and his only post today is commenting how many pages are up already. If we were actually bad together, I would've encouraged him to post a lot more and engage with my "defense." I, as a civ, was giving him the benefit of the doubt, nothing more.

Linki: Heh, nice comeback Rico.

Points for being the first person to actually engage me on this point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Translation

JJ suspects llama
Llama vanishes
JJ is forced to post in smilies
This is suspicious
JJ is noble and civ-like.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MacDougall wrote:Jimmy

Apparently this is not cheating , but JJ I'd like to say I figured this out before reading this.

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Unvote
vote MacDougall

So that test didn't work.

Thinking about Rico now... How could Ricochet be scum? It makes no fucking sense. He is playing sooooo whack, he is seemingly trying to get votes cast on him, and that's not a scum role imo. I think he might be my World Reborn role, or something like it. Where I had a win con of getting shit tons of votes on me and was a cop, and lynchproof etc. I was indy.

He smells indy as fuck to me.

Thats exactly why, to me, it makes so much fucking sense for Rico to be bad.

Rational people should rationalise it the way you just did. Rico has played it up SO MUCH that at this point I think he realised early he was taking heat and decided to wifom his way out of it.

Also, since when is "Indy" synonymous with "Better let this person win the game"

Oh, and also, if it is a role like your one in World Reborn than I don't really have any fear playing in to it. If Rico was that kind of Indy, I could trust in him to have no loyalties whatsoever and do whatever was best for him, which isn't necessarily anti-town. Indeed, if Rico is actually civ and the goal is for him to gain power through lynch votes I also don't have any problem with it. The only think I'm worried about with lynching Rico would be if he was mafia-aligned but his role got power from lynch votes and he could survive the lynch. Then it would suck.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Unvote
vote MacDougall

So that test didn't work.

Thinking about Rico now... How could Ricochet be scum? It makes no fucking sense. He is playing sooooo whack, he is seemingly trying to get votes cast on him, and that's not a scum role imo. I think he might be my World Reborn role, or something like it. Where I had a win con of getting shit tons of votes on me and was a cop, and lynchproof etc. I was indy.

He smells indy as fuck to me.

Thats exactly why, to me, it makes so much fucking sense for Rico to be bad.

Rational people should rationalise it the way you just did. Rico has played it up SO MUCH that at this point I think he realised early he was taking heat and decided to wifom his way out of it.

It's called doing what I do best and it's what I've been doing since the game commenced.

linki @DH: I don't think there are any indies in this game.

Golden wrote:Oh, and also, if it is a role like your one in World Reborn than I don't really have any fear playing in to it. If Rico was that kind of Indy, I could trust in him to have no loyalties whatsoever and do whatever was best for him, which isn't necessarily anti-town. Indeed, if Rico is actually civ and the goal is for him to gain power through lynch votes I also don't have any problem with it. The only think I'm worried about with lynching Rico would be if he was mafia-aligned but his role got power from lynch votes and he could survive the lynch. Then it would suck.

I would be very surprised if he was Mafia and is playing this way but your wifom point is reasonable. It's pretty much what I did in TH when Matt started making that bogus case on me.

Also, yes I figured out the Sparta smiley was JJJ.

DharmaHelper wrote:Also, since when is "Indy" synonymous with "Better let this person win the game"

It's not like that. It's like ... why give an indy who wants to attract votes a ton of them on the first day of the game?

Golden wrote:Oh, and also, if it is a role like your one in World Reborn than I don't really have any fear playing in to it. If Rico was that kind of Indy, I could trust in him to have no loyalties whatsoever and do whatever was best for him, which isn't necessarily anti-town. Indeed, if Rico is actually civ and the goal is for him to gain power through lynch votes I also don't have any problem with it. The only think I'm worried about with lynching Rico would be if he was mafia-aligned but his role got power from lynch votes and he could survive the lynch. Then it would suck.

It's none of all this... whatever this is.

DharmaHelper wrote:Also, since when is "Indy" synonymous with "Better let this person win the game"

THANK YOU.

Also, been reading over the llama/sig exchange. Sig starts out strong, with some good points about the Vocaroo medium, then devolves into fluff/talking about fluff. I'm kind of surprised Sig hasn't taken other swings at people, instead keeping the conversation primarily about that single jokey post. I'd say that's worth one out of three.

Linki @Rico: What makes you say that? There have certainly been indie roles in the games from which this one is drawing.

Linki @Mac: This is a guessing game, but if a role gains power from votes, then it's least powerful at the start. Easier to actually lynch?

Ricochet wrote:

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Unvote
vote MacDougall

So that test didn't work.

Thinking about Rico now... How could Ricochet be scum? It makes no fucking sense. He is playing sooooo whack, he is seemingly trying to get votes cast on him, and that's not a scum role imo. I think he might be my World Reborn role, or something like it. Where I had a win con of getting shit tons of votes on me and was a cop, and lynchproof etc. I was indy.

He smells indy as fuck to me.

Thats exactly why, to me, it makes so much fucking sense for Rico to be bad.

Rational people should rationalise it the way you just did. Rico has played it up SO MUCH that at this point I think he realised early he was taking heat and decided to wifom his way out of it.

It's called doing what I do best and it's what I've been doing since the game commenced.

linki @DH: I don't think there are any indies in this game.

See this is CRYING for votes.

Was he REALLY under that much duress when he first started playing this way Golden? To me he was like this out of the gate.

Boomslang wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Also, since when is "Indy" synonymous with "Better let this person win the game"

THANK YOU.

Also, been reading over the llama/sig exchange. Sig starts out strong, with some good points about the Vocaroo medium, then devolves into fluff/talking about fluff. I'm kind of surprised Sig hasn't taken other swings at people, instead keeping the conversation primarily about that single jokey post. I'd say that's worth one out of three.

Linki @Rico: What makes you say that? There have certainly been indie roles in the games from which this one is drawing.

Linki @Mac: This is a guessing game, but if a role gains power from votes, then it's least powerful at the start. Easier to actually lynch?

I was a role that did just that. I was one shot lynchproof and when I hit my win con I became totally lynch proof.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Unvote
vote MacDougall

So that test didn't work.

Thinking about Rico now... How could Ricochet be scum? It makes no fucking sense. He is playing sooooo whack, he is seemingly trying to get votes cast on him, and that's not a scum role imo. I think he might be my World Reborn role, or something like it. Where I had a win con of getting shit tons of votes on me and was a cop, and lynchproof etc. I was indy.

He smells indy as fuck to me.

Thats exactly why, to me, it makes so much fucking sense for Rico to be bad.

Rational people should rationalise it the way you just did. Rico has played it up SO MUCH that at this point I think he realised early he was taking heat and decided to wifom his way out of it.

Bingo.

Ricochet wrote:

Draconus wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Draconus wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Ties are frowned upon and Matt would punish me.

So you won't save yourself? Will that aid the town? Will Matt punish a civ?
Will these answers be questioned??

You're judging the situation as if it looks final.

Can I presently articulate this better?

Can you do what you like?

Self-voting is frowned upon, though.

Know you not how to smile?

Boomslang wrote:
Linki @Rico: What makes you say that? There have certainly been indie roles in the games from which this one is drawing.

I wouldn't want any win-grab or special-powered mofo indy to win either. But right now I'm focused on rooting for the baddies.

Rooting OUT the baddies.

I'd be happy with seeing the back of Ricochet's GoC Fun Time but I have doubts that lynching him will result in a lynch at all let alone a Mafia lynch and I think LoRab is more bad for non intentional reasons (ie. better ones).

MacDougall wrote:Was he REALLY under that much duress when he first started playing this way Golden? To me he was like this out of the gate.

No duress at all, his random behaviour was his own, and also I can't recall any frame of reference for what Rico does best being 'act completely cray cray'. What he does best in my own opinion is playing a very rational game, both as town and baddie, and rational is not a word that could be attributed to him in this game (at least, not based on the evidence we can see in the thread).

linki - vompatti level scum-slip right there. Lol Rico, nice biblical reference

Ricochet wrote:Rooting OUT the baddies.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

I don't think LoRab is bad and I don't recall Mac saying anything about it during this phase.

You said he was taking heat early? Indicating that you think his behaviour is a response to the suspicion placed on him right? You now say he wasn't put under duress and that his behaviour wasn't influenced by being under duress?

This a pretty inconsistent viewpoint.

Ricochet wrote:

Where are the knives.

Who are you voting for, Golde- oh wait.

This reference, I get it.

Ricochet wrote:I don't think LoRab is bad and I don't recall Mac saying anything about it during this phase.

I'm sorry, what?

linki - Oh boy

I am going to ignore Ricochet from now on.

I'm going to vote Ricochet now because I think he's bad.

MacDougall

linki: Ryuk pls

Also, since Mac is around: do you still think I'm bad? Your basis for that was the presumed me-Tranq teamup, IIRC; Tranq has given us no comment on anything of consequence, while I'm calling him out for that.

Linki w/Rico: I don't think you answered the question (unless it was with that shrug, in which case why would you make an unsubstantiated claim?): I asked what made you think there were no indies in the game, not if you wanted them to win.

Second linki w/rico: Mac hasn't added anything to his Lorab suspicion in this phase as far as I can tell. There was a lot of stuff in Night 0, but nothing in Day 1. In fact, the only interaction besides his vote during the day seems to be vaguely jokey/defensive?

MacDougall wrote: Fiend, you are using Lorab's own smiley against her!

ARRGH SO MUCH LINKI

"Llama omg jedi battle"
"Jimmy sitting on ice cube large mouth"

I have faith in our general J3 and am changing my vote from Wilgy to Llama.
Llama

Boomslang wrote:
Linki w/Rico: I don't think you answered the question (unless it was with that shrug, in which case why would you make an unsubstantiated claim?): I asked what made you think there were no indies in the game, not if you wanted them to win.

Second linki w/rico: Mac hasn't added anything to his Lorab suspicion in this phase as far as I can tell. There was a lot of stuff in Night 0, but nothing in Day 1. In fact, the only interaction besides his vote during the day seems to be vaguely jokey/defensive?

1) I did answer. It was

2) Aye.

I second what Fuzz says.

MacDougall wrote:I'd be happy with seeing the back of Ricochet's GoC Fun Time but I have doubts that lynching him will result in a lynch at all let alone a Mafia lynch and I think LoRab is more bad for non intentional reasons (ie. better ones).

I prefer to deal with maverick behaviour rather than let it slide. I don't blame anyone for avoiding it and going for LoRab though. I don't really get the 'false vibe' from LoRab's posts that others seem to, but I feel like the people who do see it are often good at seeing that stuff (and also, I think BR reads LoRab well... BR how do you feel about that statement?)

Boomslang wrote:Also, since Mac is around: do you still think I'm bad? Your basis for that was the presumed me-Tranq teamup, IIRC; Tranq has given us no comment on anything of consequence, while I'm calling him out for that.

Linki w/Rico: I don't think you answered the question (unless it was with that shrug, in which case why would you make an unsubstantiated claim?): I asked what made you think there were no indies in the game, not if you wanted them to win.

Second linki w/rico: Mac hasn't added anything to his Lorab suspicion in this phase as far as I can tell. There was a lot of stuff in Night 0, but nothing in Day 1. In fact, the only interaction besides his vote during the day seems to be vaguely jokey/defensive?

MacDougall wrote: Fiend, you are using Lorab's own smiley against her!

ARRGH SO MUCH LINKI

My basis for saying you were bad was a gut ping, not that stuff you said.

No I haven't added anything to my Lorab suspicion because:

1. Others have made good cases on her
2. Lorab is bad for the same reasons she was already bad

Black Rock wrote:I am going to vote for LoRab for now. Her posts reek of her mafia self. I look forward to seeing what she has to say to Epig.

Certainly this post implies BR reads her well.

RadicalFuzz wrote:"Llama omg jedi battle"
"Jimmy sitting on ice cube large mouth"

I have faith in our general J3 and am changing my vote from Wilgy to Llama.
Llama

I don't think JJJ can be trusted, but I'll join you, I said I wouldn't mind voting Llama before.

Llama

LET ME VOTE LINKIS

DrWilgy wrote:I second what Fuzz says.

9 out of 19 of your posts have been some variation of "random words Fuzz". You are either buddying or distancing.

Fuzz and I are already buddies though...

RadicalFuzz wrote:I haven't heard your vocaroo. If you think we should stop fighting and just be friends then which of us would you rather see gone? I also really dislike it when people say votes not on leading wagons are going to waste. It's a very narrow-minded viewpoint that completely ignores any effect of lynch votes aside from voting to kill.

Hey Mac, question. If you had to blindly trust one player for the rest of the game, who would it be?

I like a lot of your posts, Fuzz. They bring an interesting perspective that I think is helpful.

I think votes off the main wagons can definitely be meaningful and analysed (see: G-Mans rainbow lists in Biblical). I don't think anyone should pick someone on one of the main two wagons if they feel that both are civilian. However, I tend to prefer that people at least declare which of the main wagons they would vote for, if they voted for either, because being off the wagon is an easy place to hide for a baddie.

DharmaHelper wrote:

thellama73 wrote:If I had the power to curse people, does anyone think I wouldn't have used it on Rico? Come on.

No I don't think you'd want to curse the guy you have been defending.

How little you know me.

MacDougall wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Tranq wrote:25 pages already?

They are not really worth reading.

There's loads of useful shit been posted. This has been a very productive game so far.

Nah.

MacDougall wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:I second what Fuzz says.

9 out of 19 of your posts have been some variation of "random words Fuzz". You are either buddying or distancing.

9 out of 10 mafia players agree with this post.

I can't believe Rico's strategy of making everyone think they're trying to get everyone to vote for them so no one will ultimately vote for them is starting to actually work.

Join us Marmot... Joiiiiiiinnnn ussssss...

Is this too much to keep up with right now? Is voting with the Marmot the right thing to do now?

a2thezebra wrote:I can't believe Rico's strategy of making everyone think they're trying to get everyone to vote for them so no one will ultimately vote for them is starting to actually work.

No comprende.

Gonna follow MM and Wilgy with their votes.

MM and Draco, even*

sorry

JJ can't quote himself.

But, I'm sorry I don't understand the one with twelves cars in it. I get 'llama drives JJ to think lorab is suspicious', but I'm not sure.

So Draconus has also been cursed? To post only in questions?

Golden wrote:So Draconus has also been cursed? To post only in questions?

That or faking it, yes.