Re: Downton Abbey Mafia (Day 3)
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:10 am
I feel very strongly that sig is most likely a civilian. So if you all are going to counter wagon, I would recommend a CFD at this point sig would not be a good choice.
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What do you think of Epi since it is day 3?Long Con wrote:Going into Day 3:
One person I won't be sending a Christmas card to: Epignosis
I'll decide tomorrow if I think he's Civ or not.
Linki: NICE!!
If Spacedaisy is civ, then I think it would be the same as lynching any participating civilian. We'll put our heads down and try again tomorrow without much to go off.Epignosis wrote:To those of you voting or thinking about voting spacedaisy:
What happens if she gets lynched and is a civilian? Where do you look then?
What happens if she gets lynched and is mafia? Where do you look then?
The case has the weaknesses you say, but I have seen a weak case be 100% correct before. You think Llama is a baddie then?Spacedaisy wrote:I'm done talking, you all have already decided. I would just ask that when I am lynched and flip civ, please lynch llama next, so that he is the victim of his own faulty logic as well. He did after all, vote to lynch bubbles and then turn around and wanted to lynch me for her lynch. Takes zero responsibility for his own actions and lynches me because he claims I am protecting DF from lynch, despite the fact he has no idea what DF's role is. That is the basis of this freaking lynch, it's the stupidest case against me I have ever seen and if llama and Dom and ika are not bad, they are going to be eating a ton of crow when this lynch is over.
I was just teasing him, since he was still self-voting. :PSpacedaisy wrote:I feel very strongly that sig is most likely a civilian. So if you all are going to counter wagon, I would recommend a CFD at this point sig would not be a good choice.
I don't see much indication that that has happened thus far, and therefore I have little confidence that this is what will happen tomorrow. My question was more pertaining to you as an individual: If you are a civilian, where will you look if spacedaisy is lynched and is a civilian?Metalmarsh89 wrote:If Spacedaisy is civ, then I think it would be the same as lynching any participating civilian. We'll put our heads down and try again tomorrow without much to go off.Epignosis wrote:To those of you voting or thinking about voting spacedaisy:
What happens if she gets lynched and is a civilian? Where do you look then?
What happens if she gets lynched and is mafia? Where do you look then?
Any examples of this?Metalmarsh89 wrote:In my experience with Spacedaisy as mafia, she is more likely to distance from a mafia partner than to defend them. If Spacedaisy is mafia, then Matt would be worth looking at, and DF would be less likely to be mafia.
Well I mean I'm one of the two votes on me, so I'd assume MM wasn't being serious.Spacedaisy wrote:I feel very strongly that sig is most likely a civilian. So if you all are going to counter wagon, I would recommend a CFD at this point sig would not be a good choice.
Spacedaisy had some reasonable responses to these, but every time I read these three reasons, my gut says "yes!" Moving on... Dom leaned his head in the Daisy lynch train window a couple of times:thellama73 wrote:A couple of reasons.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Why do you want to lynch Spacedaisy? I find her presence in this game reassuring.
1) she's led us away from a DFaraday lynch, towards two civilian lynches. This in itself is not very compelling. I've done the same thing myself in many a game. But there's also...
2) Her "lynch DFaraday and then come after me if he's bad" gambit, feels like a setup. I think she knows he will flip good, which is why she made the offer.
3) Her repeated use of some variation of the phrase "suspect me all you want" feels false to me, especially given that she has reacted more strongly to my suspicion of her than I would have expected. It feels like she is trying to act like she doesn't care about being suspected, but she actually cares a lot, and that seems like a baddie move to me.
Dom wrote:I could vote Daisy.
(By the way, Dom, if there was one person I had to name as Head Coaxer, it's probably Llama... I don't like pointing fingers though, especially to answer such a weird question. What's up with this question?)Dom wrote:Who was it that initially coaxed Daisy into all this talking? I remember her saying it would be tough for her.
At this time, he still hasn't voted for Daisy. It's hard for me to read him because of his playstyle of dubious posts and complete lack of trying to spell correctly. This post, for instance, just pings me so much that I have to say "that's TOO obvious... no baddie would act so bad."ika wrote:i feel liek thsi game is going nowhere and its jsut back and forth aboutt he same things....
lets lynch dasy!
First nibble on Llama's lynch train, agrees with ika whose vote is still on Dom. Matt comes in with a confused-looking "Illy, Lorab, Ika...hrm." post. So that's weird.Scotty wrote:Ok. Ill throw my stick in the fire.ika wrote:i feel liek thsi game is going nowhere and its jsut back and forth aboutt he same things....
lets lynch dasy!
Daisy.
Sorsha says that she's in agreement with Scotty and Llama, but no vote right now, pending reread.Sorsha wrote:I'm not. I've just been busy and reading just now I haven't been able to make heads or tails over anything going on in the thread. Two that I have been mostly agreeing with have been Scotty and llama. I could follow a daisy vote but I don't want to just yet. I'd like to read again later when I'm not so tired from work.Polo wrote:Either Matt, Wilgy or Sorsha has been silenced last night.
What's an AtE?ika wrote:NIce AtESpacedaisy wrote:I'm done talking, you all have already decided. I would just ask that when I am lynched and flip civ, please lynch llama next, so that he is the victim of his own faulty logic as well. He did after all, vote to lynch bubbles and then turn around and wanted to lynch me for her lynch. Takes zero responsibility for his own actions and lynches me because he claims I am protecting DF from lynch, despite the fact he has no idea what DF's role is. That is the basis of this freaking lynch, it's the stupidest case against me I have ever seen and if llama and Dom and ika are not bad, they are going to be eating a ton of crow when this lynch is over.
if you dont know how to read someone you lynch them, the fact you have been saving his ass all game long and not town reading him is quite telling n itself
He does not have my vote at this time. Neutral-leaning-Civ feel for him.sig wrote:What do you think of Epi since it is day 3?Long Con wrote:Going into Day 3:
One person I won't be sending a Christmas card to: Epignosis
I'll decide tomorrow if I think he's Civ or not.
Linki: NICE!!
I totally understand. That's how I play too.Spacedaisy wrote:No, I don't think llama is bad. But I still would like to see you all lynch him when I flip civ. Vindictive of me isn't it? I want him to deal with what I've had to deal with. I'm also not saying I believe he is good. He is the person I feel the least confident about, but I still think he is probably civ.
I don't want to lynch llama if I am not being lynched. But if I get lynched because of his case against me then I want him to be lynched as well, it is purely spiteful vindictiveness. I want him to have to argue against a silly case.
If you are asking the good little civ in me, then I don't recommend it. My vote on him just makes me feel better. I'll likely move it later to try and save myself. I'm just not leaving it on Scotty.
I see. Thanks.Long Con wrote:He does not have my vote at this time. Neutral-leaning-Civ feel for him.sig wrote:What do you think of Epi since it is day 3?Long Con wrote:Going into Day 3:
One person I won't be sending a Christmas card to: Epignosis
I'll decide tomorrow if I think he's Civ or not.
Linki: NICE!!
I won't be looking at llama. He has been a combination of productivity and witty retorts that makes him a civ, imo.Epignosis wrote:I don't see much indication that that has happened thus far, and therefore I have little confidence that this is what will happen tomorrow. My question was more pertaining to you as an individual: If you are a civilian, where will you look if spacedaisy is lynched and is a civilian?Metalmarsh89 wrote:If Spacedaisy is civ, then I think it would be the same as lynching any participating civilian. We'll put our heads down and try again tomorrow without much to go off.Epignosis wrote:To those of you voting or thinking about voting spacedaisy:
What happens if she gets lynched and is a civilian? Where do you look then?
What happens if she gets lynched and is mafia? Where do you look then?
Death Note is my only reference, but Daisy did distance from Matahari and boo in the mid-stages of the game. She distanced from me too, but I was an obvious Death God, so that is not as important.Epignosis wrote:Any examples of this?Metalmarsh89 wrote:In my experience with Spacedaisy as mafia, she is more likely to distance from a mafia partner than to defend them. If Spacedaisy is mafia, then Matt would be worth looking at, and DF would be less likely to be mafia.
Spacedaisy wrote:No, I don't think llama is bad. But I still would like to see you all lynch him when I flip civ. Vindictive of me isn't it? I want him to deal with what I've had to deal with. I'm also not saying I believe he is good. He is the person I feel the least confident about, but I still think he is probably civ.
I don't want to lynch llama if I am not being lynched. But if I get lynched because of his case against me then I want him to be lynched as well, it is purely spiteful vindictiveness. I want him to have to argue against a silly case.
If you are asking the good little civ in me, then I don't recommend it. My vote on him just makes me feel better. I'll likely move it later to try and save myself. I'm just not leaving it on Scotty.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Spacedaisy wrote:No, I don't think llama is bad. But I still would like to see you all lynch him when I flip civ. Vindictive of me isn't it? I want him to deal with what I've had to deal with. I'm also not saying I believe he is good. He is the person I feel the least confident about, but I still think he is probably civ.
I don't want to lynch llama if I am not being lynched. But if I get lynched because of his case against me then I want him to be lynched as well, it is purely spiteful vindictiveness. I want him to have to argue against a silly case.
If you are asking the good little civ in me, then I don't recommend it. My vote on him just makes me feel better. I'll likely move it later to try and save myself. I'm just not leaving it on Scotty.![]()
If you are mafia, I definitely won't be voting for llama tomorrow.
If you are civ, then I will definitely make a silly case against llama.
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Long Con, AtE = Appeal to Emotion
Wait what.Spacedaisy wrote:No, I don't think llama is bad. But I still would like to see you all lynch him when I flip civ. Vindictive of me isn't it? I want him to deal with what I've had to deal with. I'm also not saying I believe he is good. He is the person I feel the least confident about, but I still think he is probably civ.
I don't want to lynch llama if I am not being lynched. But if I get lynched because of his case against me then I want him to be lynched as well, it is purely spiteful vindictiveness. I want him to have to argue against a silly case.
If you are asking the good little civ in me, then I don't recommend it. My vote on him just makes me feel better. I'll likely move it later to try and save myself. I'm just not leaving it on Scotty.
In this Day 1 post, Lorab acknowledges that Day 1 votes are "generally weak," but she needs a case on Dom and DFaraday to vote either of them. She acknowledges that birdwithteeth was inconsistent and that she could vote there, but does not.LoRab wrote:Been checking on the game in spurts throughout the day--never time to read more than a few posts at a time. One of those days. Anyway, looking at the current vote getters:
I still don't see the case on Dom. I don't really have a read on him yet, but nothing about his posts screams bad to me. BWT, I can see that his points are inconsistent, which I don't recall as being his norm, so I have an eyebrow on him, and could vote that way. Weak, but a day 1 vote is generally weak. DF seems to be playing typically--not sure I caught what the suspicion of him is based on. Need to reread the posts about him.
I'm sure I had more thoughts, but I can't remember them at the moment. Sleepy after a 12 plus hour work day.
After seven hours of discussion from others, her vote goes out of the way to DrWilgy for the above reason.LoRab wrote:Voted Dr Wilgy, because I don't feel so strongly about any of the bandwagons, and I need to vote whle I have a moment. I don't like that he's hiding behind shtick--that is a behavior that generally rings baddie to me. So, really, I guess this is my asking him to just post normally so we can all just read his posts simply.
That's Lorab's response to Scotty's criticism of that Day 1 vote. Instead of elaborating on the underlined, she goes immediately back into defense mode, defending her vote as "it was a day 1 vote." She claims to still suspect DrWilgy, but never gives any reason why. There is no sense of urgency, no sense of leadership, no sense of guidance. It's a Day 1 worthy suspicion that, by Day 3, has remained a Day 1 worthy suspicion.LoRab wrote:And I don't think Wilgy is being the same as in every game--and it was a day 1 vote, I voted on what I had in the thread. I actually continue to have some suspicion of Wilgy--especially since he never commented on my vote or reason for it (unless I missed a response, in which case someone please point me to it).
I discussed this idea here.LoRab wrote:Hmmmm....there seems to be an assumption that Silver was civ....but that's not necessarily the case. Carson has a redirect. So, while it's likely that Silver was civ, it's not a definite.
Bubbles had three posts. Count them. Three. Which one of those gave Lorab the impression that Bubbles wasn't bad?LoRab wrote:Crapweasel. I completely forgot the vote ended tonight. I'm away for the weekend for a wedding, and completely lost track of where we were in the day/night game cycle. Sorry!!
disappointed in lynch result. I wouldn't have voted Bubbles--she wasn't reading bad to me. Need to read back to see what got her votes started.
Not sure I'd have voted DF, either. I know I didn't see the case on him early on--need to read back and see his posts myself and also read what people are seeing that make them suspect him.
Honestly not sure where I'd have voted.
Lorab gives ika the eye for a weak reason and with no follow through.LoRab wrote:Why are you speculating in the thread about who has a civilian role?ika wrote:hey sig would it be too far fetched that epi is the silencer?
But you are not sold on him being bad yet still wants him lynched although only if you get lynched.Spacedaisy wrote:Nero, my vindictiveness said I want him lynched next if I die but if you read through you will see I'm not advising any civs to actually vote for llama.
I just didn't understand the point of that post without saying where you stood regarding MM. It seemed like you poking with a stick but nothing came of it.Epignosis wrote:If people wanted to lynch MM at this stage, they're not going to get any mileage out of his posts- there's a relatively high number of posts, but they've all been, as it were, poking from the perimeter.Black Rock wrote:Where do you stand with MM Epig? I didn't really understand what your conclusion was.
That's what I'm saying.
My vindictiveness wants to see him deal with the same thing I've had to. My inner civ is telling people it's probably not a good idea.Nerolunar wrote:But you are not sold on him being bad yet still wants him lynched although only if you get lynched.Spacedaisy wrote:Nero, my vindictiveness said I want him lynched next if I die but if you read through you will see I'm not advising any civs to actually vote for llama.
Nice case, Epi. My vote can easily go there depending on how this plays out.
Epignosis wrote:To those of you voting or thinking about voting spacedaisy:
What happens if she gets lynched and is a civilian? Where do you look then?
What happens if she gets lynched and is mafia? Where do you look then?
This doesn't make me feel better, Daisy. You have since said that you don't think Llama is bad, but you postulate it here.Spacedaisy wrote:I'm done talking, you all have already decided. I would just ask that when I am lynched and flip civ, please lynch llama next, so that he is the victim of his own faulty logic as well. He did after all, vote to lynch bubbles and then turn around and wanted to lynch me for her lynch. Takes zero responsibility for his own actions and lynches me because he claims I am protecting DF from lynch, despite the fact he has no idea what DF's role is. That is the basis of this freaking lynch, it's the stupidest case against me I have ever seen and if llama and Dom and ika are not bad, they are going to be eating a ton of crow when this lynch is over.
Come out with the good questions. I like it.Epignosis wrote:
So, Lorab, it's Day 3. You've expressed no meaty suspicions in seventeen posts spanning that time period whatsoever. Whom do you suspect, and why?
Somewhere between on your wedding day and the bold eternal day?Long Con wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:Long Con, AtE = Appeal to EmotionHow long does it take for a married couple to become very alike?
A reference about only a dozen people on the planet will get.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Somewhere between on your wedding day and the bold eternal day?Long Con wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:Long Con, AtE = Appeal to EmotionHow long does it take for a married couple to become very alike?
Well I know those people will at least give the reference 5 stars. :PEpignosis wrote:A reference about only a dozen people on the planet will get.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Somewhere between on your wedding day and the bold eternal day?Long Con wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:Long Con, AtE = Appeal to EmotionHow long does it take for a married couple to become very alike?
Epignosis wrote:A reference about only a dozen people on the planet will get.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Somewhere between on your wedding day and the bold eternal day?Long Con wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:Long Con, AtE = Appeal to EmotionHow long does it take for a married couple to become very alike?
But I thought you wanted to lynch Daisy first so you could call me bad if she flips bad.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Never mind, Matt's not silenced.
Matt
But I don't want to lynch Spacedaisy. I was answering Epignosis's if-what question.Matt wrote:But I thought you wanted to lynch Daisy first so you could call me bad if she flips bad.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Never mind, Matt's not silenced.
Matt
No?
Why do you feel that way about Illyria? I have yet to see her post anything useful, which is probably one of your reasons.Matt wrote:Oh snap, was that siggy who said that? Haha.
Either way, I think Lorab's a good lynch. I think Illy is a super good lynch.
Wilgy was definitely silenced by Mrs Patmore or Patmore's act redirected by the Son of Car towards Wilgy.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Since Day 1, DrWilgy has mentioned a suspicion of DFaraday, and that was only relative to Matt. But DrWilgy is possibly cursed/insanified right now?
But DrWilgy has posted in every single day phase. How could he be silenced?Polo wrote:Metalmarsh89 wrote:Since Day 1, DrWilgy has mentioned a suspicion of DFaraday, and that was only relative to Matt. But DrWilgy is possibly cursed/insanified right now?
Wilgy was definitely silenced by Mrs Patmore or Patmore's act redirected by the Son of Car towards Wilgy.
He posted this about an hour ago, and the link I put in that post you have quoted is from Day 2.DrWilgy wrote:RNUJQJELXZZRMMTDWCVNCGMGYZ
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