The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Like, it really pisses me off that people are willing to lay down there life for someone else. There is no way to know someone's alignment that certainly and if MP turns out to be scum, that's just crazy.

ika is town because he accused you of gamethrowing?

Makes no sense. I mean, I'm just gonna throw up my hands and let you die at this point if this is how you are gonna play.

This is how I always play. The reason I'm willing to lay down my life is because I'm not contributing that much and MP is, and unlike some people, I do think that baddies with a lot of content can be helpful to town after their flip by revealing many teammate connections via process of elimination. And that's accounting for the small chance that MP is in fact bad, so no, it's not crazy in the slightest. If MP is good, I'm laying down my WIFOM-y not-a-lot-of-readsy life so he can go on and hopefully convince you tunnelers that he isn't bad.

ika's town because he's openly and proudly disregarding logic for all of the points and observations that he has made. In other words, I think he's town for essentially the same reason why MP thinks he is mafia.

Well, apparently, I'm mafia for ever considering that ika could be mafia for any of those things, so what do I know?

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm town and I'd like to keep playing, but keeping MP alive takes the top priority right now.

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

I appreciate the confidence and that someone actually seems content in helping avoid a mislynch, but let's try and redirect this towards another individual. I'm town reading you enough to not want you lynched either.

Have you considered the possibility she is mafia goon and wants to take you out behind her tomorrow.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG-MP's discrediting of me and my case and deliberately misinterpreting it makes me want to keep my vote where it is.

Time to accuse me of tunneling Golden.

I'm not discrediting or deliberately misinterpreting shit. What the hell are you talking about?

You and ika are perhaps the two most frustrating people I've ever played with. I respect you both greatly and think you're swell, but god damn.

a2thezebra wrote:I'm supposed to give excuses for being a lower poster, and I'm supposed to avoid criticism of Frog's plan even though I think it's disastrous at best. So basically what you're asking me to do to earn your non-vote is to be disingenuous.

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm town and I'd like to keep playing, but keeping MP alive takes the top priority right now.

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

I appreciate the confidence and that someone actually seems content in helping avoid a mislynch, but let's try and redirect this towards another individual. I'm town reading you enough to not want you lynched either.

Have you considered the possibility she is mafia goon and wants to take you out behind her tomorrow.

Why not just kill MP tonight or lynch vote him? It seems like a waste of a mafia member.

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
How can you not see the irony? It doesn't matter that you and ika are dating and Golden and I aren't.

DO NOT BREING OUR DATING LIFE TO THIS GAME WE HAVE NOT ONCE USED THAT I HAVE EXPLTIVLY ASKED FOR IT TO REAMIN OUT OF GAME

I'm not the one bringing it in. You are. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to say.

no we are not, someone asked about our rl situation we mentioned ti breifly we have not used it as any reaosn on reading each ohter.

you saw truf and how we reacted, dont even start

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:For some reason I feel like Golden and MP are scumbuddies.

You say this over and over and it makes me go back to suspecting you a little. Should I suspect you and ika are scum buddies because you defend each other? Or should I recognise that you know each others meta and listen to you when you talk about each other?

You've chosen not to acknowledge any of the things I've said when you've referenced my defense of MP.

Right, I think MP could be scum. I do not like associatives without a scum flip this early but it seems really over the top-your defense of him. All I am doing with ika is explaining his meta and playstyle and not liking MP's push on him for being away.

If you are going to concentrate on me all game, let me know now so I can stock up on extra caffeine to keep my energy up as you are draining me like crazy. LOL

How can you not see the irony? It doesn't matter that you and ika are dating and Golden and I aren't.

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
How can you not see the irony? It doesn't matter that you and ika are dating and Golden and I aren't.

DO NOT BREING OUR DATING LIFE TO THIS GAME WE HAVE NOT ONCE USED THAT I HAVE EXPLTIVLY ASKED FOR IT TO REAMIN OUT OF GAME

I'm not the one bringing it in. You are. If you can't see that, then I don't know what to say.

Dyslexicon asked what our relationship was. You keep bringing it up to discredit us. You are just scum I believe.

Silverwolf wrote:

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:it seems really over the top-your defense of him.

So, in your experience, scum are likely to give over the top defences of their teammates?

If MP was important and you were scum mates, then yes, I've seen it. I'm not saying this is the case, but I'm not ruling it out or it's possible one of you is scum whiteknighting the other. If that's the case, I actually think MP is scummier than you.

He's contributing a lot and clearly frustrated as you are with me also. I tend to aggressively play as town and frustrate people easily and poke and prod and try to get reactions. It's gonna annoy people but it's what I do.

I'm all for frustrating and annoying people. I don't get easily frustrated and I don't feel frustrated with you but I do find you to be an enigma in that I can't wrap my head around what looks to me to be a different expectation you have of your own behaviour and others. It feels like what you say should be read as town from you looks scum from others, and because I can't see the distinction I don't understand this.

Well, I can't explain myself any better than I have all game with my posts. If you have specific questions just ask but it should be pretty obvious what I'm saying in all my posting.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm town and I'd like to keep playing, but keeping MP alive takes the top priority right now.

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

I appreciate the confidence and that someone actually seems content in helping avoid a mislynch, but let's try and redirect this towards another individual. I'm town reading you enough to not want you lynched either.

Have you considered the possibility she is mafia goon and wants to take you out behind her tomorrow.

a2thezebra wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm town and I'd like to keep playing, but keeping MP alive takes the top priority right now.

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

I appreciate the confidence and that someone actually seems content in helping avoid a mislynch, but let's try and redirect this towards another individual. I'm town reading you enough to not want you lynched either.

Have you considered the possibility she is mafia goon and wants to take you out behind her tomorrow.

Ooooh that's a clever idea. I should try it sometime.

ika wrote:if you litarly need to know the background, we have been called retarted, told to fuck off, told to eat a dick, misprerestned and shit on.

so when we defend each other for something thats NAI, its not becasue w are dating, its because we have so much shit delt ot us

MovingPictures07 wrote: I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.

Silverwolf wrote:ika and I dating has zero to do with me reading him in a game and should not be used in any way for any reason by anyone

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Like, it really pisses me off that people are willing to lay down there life for someone else. There is no way to know someone's alignment that certainly and if MP turns out to be scum, that's just crazy.

ika is town because he accused you of gamethrowing?

Makes no sense. I mean, I'm just gonna throw up my hands and let you die at this point if this is how you are gonna play.

This is how I always play. The reason I'm willing to lay down my life is because I'm not contributing that much and MP is, and unlike some people, I do think that baddies with a lot of content can be helpful to town after their flip by revealing many teammate connections via process of elimination. And that's accounting for the small chance that MP is in fact bad, so no, it's not crazy in the slightest. If MP is good, I'm laying down my WIFOM-y not-a-lot-of-readsy life so he can go on and hopefully convince you tunnelers that he isn't bad.

ika's town because he's openly and proudly disregarding logic for all of the points and observations that he has made. In other words, I think he's town for essentially the same reason why MP thinks he is mafia.

Well, apparently, I'm mafia for ever considering that ika could be mafia for any of those things, so what do I know?

If it weren't for my own (often frustrating) previous experience with ika in a couple other games, I would be thinking what you're thinking about him. But as it is, yeah, he proudly disregards logic when he is town. For instance, him thinking that you are mafia for suspecting him for doing things that he himself would find suspicious if it were anyone but him or Silver. I've learned to accept his thought processes and go with the flow.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to anger either of you. I respect and like you both. You're both very swell people. I know you haven't used it directly, but it inevitably affects the way you both play the game, and it can victimize players who dare question either of you or the meta reads that you display for each other. I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.

Golden wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm supposed to give excuses for being a lower poster, and I'm supposed to avoid criticism of Frog's plan even though I think it's disastrous at best. So basically what you're asking me to do to earn your non-vote is to be disingenuous.

I asked you to work harder to give reads. You've given five town reads, sure, but I don't know why you've given them. I didn't ask you to do either of these two things above.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

ika wrote:if you litarly need to know the background, we have been called retarted, told to fuck off, told to eat a dick, misprerestned and shit on.

so when we defend each other for something thats NAI, its not becasue w are dating, its because we have so much shit delt ot us

I'm sorry you've had to go through that. It's unacceptable and horrendous behavior. But I'm not doing that to you and I never would, yet I feel like Silverwolf and you aren't being open-minded to me because I made a case against one of you; whether that's actually true or not, that's how it's coming across.

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG-MP's discrediting of me and my case and deliberately misinterpreting it makes me want to keep my vote where it is.

Time to accuse me of tunneling Golden.

I'm not discrediting or deliberately misinterpreting shit. What the hell are you talking about?

You and ika are perhaps the two most frustrating people I've ever played with. I respect you both greatly and think you're swell, but god damn.

OK, stop saying we are using our RL situation. I know ika's playstyle. That's all. I don't want him lynched based off of that. You are plenty frustrating yourself. I'm not sure why you and Golden are picking a fight with me and ika also but it rings as scum trying to sew chaos.

Silverwolf wrote:OMG-MP's discrediting of me and my case and deliberately misinterpreting it makes me want to keep my vote where it is.

Time to accuse me of tunneling Golden.

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:ika and I dating has zero to do with me reading him in a game and should not be used in any way for any reason by anyone

OK, fair enough, but the point is that you and ika know each other very well, regardless of what your relationship is that lead to that. So do MP and I know each other very well. And it does feel like you aren't willing to understand this.

Golden wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:I'm town and I'd like to keep playing, but keeping MP alive takes the top priority right now.

VOTE A2THEZEBRA

I appreciate the confidence and that someone actually seems content in helping avoid a mislynch, but let's try and redirect this towards another individual. I'm town reading you enough to not want you lynched either.

Have you considered the possibility she is mafia goon and wants to take you out behind her tomorrow.

Ooooh that's a clever idea. I should try it sometime.

Lol. Nah, sigs right. It's a stupid idea. Oh well, I was just thinking through scenarios.

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:For some reason I feel like Golden and MP are scumbuddies.

You say this over and over and it makes me go back to suspecting you a little. Should I suspect you and ika are scum buddies because you defend each other? Or should I recognise that you know each others meta and listen to you when you talk about each other?

You've chosen not to acknowledge any of the things I've said when you've referenced my defense of MP.

Right, I think MP could be scum. I do not like associatives without a scum flip this early but it seems really over the top-your defense of him. All I am doing with ika is explaining his meta and playstyle and not liking MP's push on him for being away.

If you are going to concentrate on me all game, let me know now so I can stock up on extra caffeine to keep my energy up as you are draining me like crazy. LOL

How can you not see the irony? It doesn't matter that you and ika are dating and Golden and I aren't.

I'll start dating MP if it helps

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to anger either of you. I respect and like you both. You're both very swell people. I know you haven't used it directly, but it inevitably affects the way you both play the game, and it can victimize players who dare question either of you or the meta reads that you display for each other. I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.

and there have been a multitude of games where silver called out scumm based on that reaosn alone. it it doesnt even haev to be on me, when she pings someone based on what looks like shit reaosns its mostly cus its right.

so many people have made weak acusatiosn on her/me other and she called peopleout on that and loh and behold its sucm

Silverwolf wrote:I'm tired of everyone bitching about how ika and I play.

If you'd prefer, I can just not join any more games here.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:Like, it really pisses me off that people are willing to lay down there life for someone else. There is no way to know someone's alignment that certainly and if MP turns out to be scum, that's just crazy.

ika is town because he accused you of gamethrowing?

Makes no sense. I mean, I'm just gonna throw up my hands and let you die at this point if this is how you are gonna play.

This is how I always play. The reason I'm willing to lay down my life is because I'm not contributing that much and MP is, and unlike some people, I do think that baddies with a lot of content can be helpful to town after their flip by revealing many teammate connections via process of elimination. And that's accounting for the small chance that MP is in fact bad, so no, it's not crazy in the slightest. If MP is good, I'm laying down my WIFOM-y not-a-lot-of-readsy life so he can go on and hopefully convince you tunnelers that he isn't bad.

ika's town because he's openly and proudly disregarding logic for all of the points and observations that he has made. In other words, I think he's town for essentially the same reason why MP thinks he is mafia.

Well, apparently, I'm mafia for ever considering that ika could be mafia for any of those things, so what do I know?

If it weren't for my own (often frustrating) previous experience with ika in a couple other games, I would be thinking what you're thinking about him. But as it is, yeah, he proudly disregards logic when he is town. For instance, him thinking that you are mafia for suspecting him for doing things that he himself would find suspicious if it were anyone but him or Silver. I've learned to accept his thought processes and go with the flow.

That's great and all, but I'm a major candidate to be lynched today because of it.

ika wrote:so when we defend each other for something thats NAI, its not becasue w are dating, its because we have so much shit delt ot us

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG-MP's discrediting of me and my case and deliberately misinterpreting it makes me want to keep my vote where it is.

Time to accuse me of tunneling Golden.

You definitely haven't tunneled me.

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.

You made a couple bad entrance posts. I didn't like them because it seem awkward to me and too cautious. That's my playstyle. Every game.

Your case on ika looked like a huge stretch and was based on things that happened when he wasn't here. Going for an easy lynch. Again, playstyle, and again, who the hell decides what's an "easy" lynch? I already explained to Frog how ika is anything BUT an easy lynch here.

You have been heavily discrediting myself and also ika every since. No, I have not.

You are sewing chaos. No, I am not.

There:

-Now you all have my MP scumread in a nutshell here.

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:ika and I dating has zero to do with me reading him in a game and should not be used in any way for any reason by anyone

OK, fair enough, but the point is that you and ika know each other very well, regardless of what your relationship is that lead to that. So do MP and I know each other very well. And it does feel like you aren't willing to understand this.

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to anger either of you. I respect and like you both. You're both very swell people. I know you haven't used it directly, but it inevitably affects the way you both play the game, and it can victimize players who dare question either of you or the meta reads that you display for each other. I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.

and there have been a multitude of games where silver called out scumm based on that reaosn alone. it it doesnt even haev to be on me, when she pings someone based on what looks like shit reaosns its mostly cus its right.

so many people have made weak acusatiosn on her/me other and she called peopleout on that and loh and behold its sucm

a2thezebra wrote:

Golden wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:OMG-MP's discrediting of me and my case and deliberately misinterpreting it makes me want to keep my vote where it is.

Time to accuse me of tunneling Golden.

You definitely haven't tunneled me.

I think there's meant to be a comma after the word "tunneling".

sig wrote: linki: What does QFT mean?

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to anger either of you. I respect and like you both. You're both very swell people. I know you haven't used it directly, but it inevitably affects the way you both play the game, and it can victimize players who dare question either of you or the meta reads that you display for each other. I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.

and there have been a multitude of games where silver called out scumm based on that reaosn alone. it it doesnt even haev to be on me, when she pings someone based on what looks like shit reaosns its mostly cus its right.

so many people have made weak acusatiosn on her/me other and she called peopleout on that and loh and behold its sucm

Let me elaborate. I have caught scum before who try to mislynch me as town based on similar bad reasoning that MP used on ika.

This was a huge ping to me.

I want to know why Golden has such an issue with this and calls in tunneling when he tunneled the shit out of me most of the game.

Again, he's making me very suspicious along with MP for his lack of consistency here.

Silverwolf wrote:Like MP and Golden are just scum.

I'm done arguing with them and clogging up the game with it.

Town can decide for themselves.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to anger either of you. I respect and like you both. You're both very swell people. I know you haven't used it directly, but it inevitably affects the way you both play the game, and it can victimize players who dare question either of you or the meta reads that you display for each other. I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.

and there have been a multitude of games where silver called out scumm based on that reaosn alone. it it doesnt even haev to be on me, when she pings someone based on what looks like shit reaosns its mostly cus its right.

so many people have made weak acusatiosn on her/me other and she called peopleout on that and loh and behold its sucm

Let me elaborate. I have caught scum before who try to mislynch me as town based on similar bad reasoning that MP used on ika.

This was a huge ping to me.

I want to know why Golden has such an issue with this and calls in tunneling when he tunneled the shit out of me most of the game.

Again, he's making me very suspicious along with MP for his lack of consistency here.

Lack of consistency? Elaborate.

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote: If it weren't for my own (often frustrating) previous experience with ika in a couple other games, I would be thinking what you're thinking about him. But as it is, yeah, he proudly disregards logic when he is town. For instance, him thinking that you are mafia for suspecting him for doing things that he himself would find suspicious if it were anyone but him or Silver. I've learned to accept his thought processes and go with the flow.

That's great and all, but I'm a major candidate to be lynched today because of it.

Right, and I totally understand your frustration because I've been a major lynch candidate before because of ika as well. I know I'm the last one with a right to say this, but we need to decide on someone to lynch that isn't me or you.

MovingPictures07 wrote: That's a logical fallacy. "It's true because this other person did something, so now that this other person is doing this same something, they must be the same alignment!" That's never going to be accurate.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Whatever, Silverwolf, don't feel obligated to elaborate. I'm done with this too. You've clearly already made up your mind. Talk to me again once you're actually willing to listen to me.

Silverwolf wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

ika wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Look, I'm not trying to anger either of you. I respect and like you both. You're both very swell people. I know you haven't used it directly, but it inevitably affects the way you both play the game, and it can victimize players who dare question either of you or the meta reads that you display for each other. I'm being mafia read because Silverwolf doesn't like the case I made on you.

and there have been a multitude of games where silver called out scumm based on that reaosn alone. it it doesnt even haev to be on me, when she pings someone based on what looks like shit reaosns its mostly cus its right.

so many people have made weak acusatiosn on her/me other and she called peopleout on that and loh and behold its sucm

Let me elaborate. I have caught scum before who try to mislynch me as town based on similar bad reasoning that MP used on ika.

This was a huge ping to me.

I want to know why Golden has such an issue with this and calls in tunneling when he tunneled the shit out of me most of the game.

Again, he's making me very suspicious along with MP for his lack of consistency here.

Lack of consistency? Elaborate.

Well, he's apparently frustrated with me for tunneling you but has tunneled me most of the game.