The Syndicate

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:So far it's been nothing. Instead I have received a pile of votes, been told I am trying to control the thread, and left in a state of total confusion. I am literally begging everyone else to share their perspective on the matter.

This desperate tone meshes with that idea.

You are approaching Matt levels of tinfoil sir. Do whatever you think is best.

The desperation is a reflection of my extreme frustration that nobody was giving me decent feedback about my LC case despite my repeated requests.

You keep calling all my stuff tinfoil in this game. And especially in this case, that's definitely not true. It's a pretty cut and dry circumstance in this case.

DrWilgy wrote:@JJJ, I've skimmed your ISO and I'm not sure any more. I've been tonal tunnelling it seems. Llama "seems ok to you" but why? Is this a null or a positive read? What is the primary reason for this read?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I told you exactly what my item is an how I used it. I am not Mr. Gambit. Believe me or don't, but lynching me today will prove to be a waste of everyone's time. I guess the one silver lining is that it'd force everyone to then consider the civilian explanation I have attached to my decision, because it was the dang truth.

Would you a consider a no lynch today a terrible thing?

Yes.

No lynches are shit in 97% of circumstances. The civilians learn nothing or close to nothing.

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, here's an issue.

"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's not very vocal"
"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's now vocal"

Eloh, Boomslang and Scotty can I please have context as to how I'm forcing posts or suspicion unrelated to my post count?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Who's up for a Made lynch?

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, here's an issue.

"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's not very vocal"
"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's now vocal"

Eloh, Boomslang and Scotty can I please have context as to how I'm forcing posts or suspicion unrelated to my post count?

DrWilgy wrote: My top 3 suspects are Llama, JJJ and idk. (content cut)
INH, LC and Quin can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?
Niju, Marmot, and Epi can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?

Boomslang wrote:player salad

Boomslang wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok, here's an issue.

"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's not very vocal"
"I wanna lynch Wilgy because he's now vocal"

Eloh, Boomslang and Scotty can I please have context as to how I'm forcing posts or suspicion unrelated to my post count?

My suspicion of you has nothing to do with your level of posts—I tend to be a quite player too. I also don't think you're forcing posts or suspicion. I do think you're casting a really wide net in an effort to look like you're contributing. As has already been pointed out about the below:

DrWilgy wrote: My top 3 suspects are Llama, JJJ and idk. (content cut)
INH, LC and Quin can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?
Niju, Marmot, and Epi can I have you 3 let me know full reads on the other 2 in this group?

That's mentioning at least eight separate players in a single post, with relatively little rationale about why. It's player salad, trying to very quickly establish a record with everyone so we feel you've had something to say on them.

Quin wrote:None. I wouldn't know he was playing if he wasn't on the tally.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:None. I wouldn't know he was playing if he wasn't on the tally.

You see that little chat Marmot and I had?

Scotty wrote:My only hesitancy for an Elo 2.0 or Made lynch is that they have been literally absent all game (save for one post sometime in the last phase by Made).

I'd like to think that we should have seen some sort of "Confusion" on another player by this point if that role were active. But I have seen no indication of confusion.

I think one of those 2 is Denim Suit. I don't know which.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Scotty wrote:My only hesitancy for an Elo 2.0 or Made lynch is that they have been literally absent all game (save for one post sometime in the last phase by Made).

I'd like to think that we should have seen some sort of "Confusion" on another player by this point if that role were active. But I have seen no indication of confusion.

I think one of those 2 is Denim Suit. I don't know which.

Good eye. Looking back:

A Person made no posts in any night phase. Elohcin could be the Denim Suit.

Spacedaisy posted on Night 2 -- unlikely to be the Denim Suit.

Made posted at the very end of Day 2 -- unlikely to be the Denim Suit.

This is all predicated on the notion that the "confusion" is something observable in the thread (like insanification). I dunno what confusion means.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to leave for the evening. I am going to place my vote on Made.

Stay determined, civilians.

Sorsha wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I think that y'all need to give me at least day to prove myself, I would hope.

I don't necessarily oppose that notion, but if you were to receive that kind of "extension" it'd be vital that you use it to your fullest advantage. The only read of yours that I have an idea of is Quin; it'd be good to know how you feel about everyone else.

No pressure, right?

Well, after reading through the thread today, I have two suspicions.
#1 is Wilgy. Quiet...quiet...quiet....And then he is here with fire. Makes me wonder if he is bad, was laying low, and then suddenly felt the need to come in and defend himself because his teammates said so.
#2 is Epi. I know I kind of said this, but I replaced in and he was on me before I could post. Really? I understand there is a possibility that someone comes back bad, but don't you think you ought to give them a chance to at least speak first? If he is civ, I would think he would want to at least hear from me. If he is bad, jumping on me before I can even say anything is an amazing opportunity for him because he KNOWS I am no good at defending myself even if I am civ.

I would be willing to vote either Epi, Wilgy, or Quin today.

So if Epi is bad you believe he started the lynch on day one to get rid of his own teammate- DDL?

As much faith as I put into spouse reads of one another the suspicion Epi voiced of you yesterday was strange to me. It wasn't based on anything you've done but on a probability. Or something.... I don't know if I'm conveying what I mean accurately or not. But I think you get what I mean.

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

thellama73 wrote:It's times like this I wish dead civilians could win with their team.

I think that's actually the case in this game. The only civilian win condition mentioned in the OP is "need mafia dead".

Nah, Mongoose more or less left the site before that rule became standard. In her heyday, it was understood that only living civilians win.

Logan is absolutely right that the last time I played/hosted, the status quo was civilians must survive to win. As of 20 mins ago, I see that's no longer status quo. Since I didn't make the win conditions clearer, all civilians can with the team, dead or alive. All mafia can win with their team, dead or alive. I feel this is the fairest route due to some potential detrimental reliance, it being early enough in the game, and I don't want this to be tooooo much of an artifact of a game.

Thank you for being flexible and (seemingly) having fun even though this game might have some more reliquary components. Please continue to ask for clarification as needed.

I may have made some outdated calls or mechanics, etc., but what I can promise you is that I will be consistent with these decisions to achieve (or to aspire to) parity.

Back to your scheduled lynch, already in progress.

Mirth & muggles,

Your Friendly Neighborhood Mongoose

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to leave for the evening. I am going to place my vote on Made.

Stay determined, civilians.

It sounds like you're already gone, but if you're not answer me this:
Earlier you said if you had to vote immediately you would have voted Wilgy. Now you ha e voted Made. What changed for you ebtween those two posts?

Epignosis wrote:

Mongoose wrote:What's everyone's favorite soda? I like anything with spices or herbs in it along with a fruit flavor, especially citrus. Blood Orange and Sicilian Lemon are two of my faves.

Beer.

And there's about to be hell to pay.

Mongoose wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

thellama73 wrote:It's times like this I wish dead civilians could win with their team.

I think that's actually the case in this game. The only civilian win condition mentioned in the OP is "need mafia dead".

Nah, Mongoose more or less left the site before that rule became standard. In her heyday, it was understood that only living civilians win.

Host Clarification Post: Who Wins if Civs Win?

Logan is absolutely right that the last time I played/hosted, the status quo was civilians must survive to win. As of 20 mins ago, I see that's no longer status quo. Since I didn't make the win conditions clearer, all civilians can with the team, dead or alive. All mafia can win with their team, dead or alive. I feel this is the fairest route due to some potential detrimental reliance, it being early enough in the game, and I don't want this to be tooooo much of an artifact of a game.

Thank you for being flexible and (seemingly) having fun even though this game might have some more reliquary components. Please continue to ask for clarification as needed.

I may have made some outdated calls or mechanics, etc., but what I can promise you is that I will be consistent with these decisions to achieve (or to aspire to) parity.

Back to your scheduled lynch, already in progress.

Mirth & muggles,

Your Friendly Neighborhood Mongoose

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to leave for the evening. I am going to place my vote on Made.

Stay determined, civilians.

It sounds like you're already gone, but if you're not answer me this:
Earlier you said if you had to vote immediately you would have voted Wilgy. Now you ha e voted Made. What changed for you ebtween those two posts?

Will this notion impact your vote?

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to leave for the evening. I am going to place my vote on Made.

Stay determined, civilians.

It sounds like you're already gone, but if you're not answer me this:
Earlier you said if you had to vote immediately you would have voted Wilgy. Now you ha e voted Made. What changed for you ebtween those two posts?

Will this notion impact your vote?

Not today, because I still think he's telling the truth about immunity, but I am open to lynching JJJ tomorrow depending on how much I like his answer.

Mongoose wrote: We had a barbecue in the Legal Dept today and I brought in Llama's Mom's Vinaigrette Tater Salad. It was a hit!

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I was more interested in the idea of voting between DrWilgy or Made. Does Jay's change in intent impace which one you'd rather lynch more?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:So, your obviously not made up and totally 100% real lynch exemption will cause a no lynch if you receive the most votes?

Or will the second most vote getter get the noose?

It's an immunity. I assume that would function to result in a no lynch. That's what I've normally seen around here. Do you know of a precedent for the second place thing?

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote: I was more interested in the idea of voting between DrWilgy or Made. Does Jay's change in intent impace which one you'd rather lynch more?

I am not particularly interested in voting Made right now, but I am interested to hear his answer.

thellama73 wrote:

Mongoose wrote: We had a barbecue in the Legal Dept today and I brought in Llama's Mom's Vinaigrette Tater Salad. It was a hit!

It hasn't rotted yet?!?!

thellama73 wrote:While I still think Sorsha is the best bet for today, and there has been a lot of good content from the high posters, I urge you all not to forget about the lurkers. What has Elohcin contributed so far? Where the hell is MP? Blooper and Wilgy seem uncharacteristically quiet. Let's put some pressure on these people and not give them a free pass.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Llama, I'll pull a post from you on Day 1.

thellama73 wrote:While I still think Sorsha is the best bet for today, and there has been a lot of good content from the high posters, I urge you all not to forget about the lurkers. What has Elohcin contributed so far? Where the hell is MP? Blooper and Wilgy seem uncharacteristically quiet. Let's put some pressure on these people and not give them a free pass.

Doesn't Made fall into this category? Why are you not particularly interested in lynching him?

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Llama, I'll pull a post from you on Day 1.

thellama73 wrote:While I still think Sorsha is the best bet for today, and there has been a lot of good content from the high posters, I urge you all not to forget about the lurkers. What has Elohcin contributed so far? Where the hell is MP? Blooper and Wilgy seem uncharacteristically quiet. Let's put some pressure on these people and not give them a free pass.

Doesn't Made fall into this category? Why are you not particularly interested in lynching him?

It is no longer Day 1. While Made is by no means someone I want to forget about, he's not near the top of my list today. I want to see how Wilgy flips, and also possibly Eloh. I have more reason to suspect them than I have to suspect Made. Of course, if I'm forced to choose between lynching Made and lynching someone I trust, I'll obviously choose Made.

Scotty wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Llama, I'll pull a post from you on Day 1.

thellama73 wrote:While I still think Sorsha is the best bet for today, and there has been a lot of good content from the high posters, I urge you all not to forget about the lurkers. What has Elohcin contributed so far? Where the hell is MP? Blooper and Wilgy seem uncharacteristically quiet. Let's put some pressure on these people and not give them a free pass.

Doesn't Made fall into this category? Why are you not particularly interested in lynching him?

It is no longer Day 1. While Made is by no means someone I want to forget about, he's not near the top of my list today. I want to see how Wilgy flips, and also possibly Eloh. I have more reason to suspect them than I have to suspect Made. Of course, if I'm forced to choose between lynching Made and lynching someone I trust, I'll obviously choose Made.

Whatcha waitin for then

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Let's talk about Made:

Made wrote:Unless someone can explain any further significance of this argument and LC's response, the interaction feels more like a doubt than an accusation, and that make this argument feel more like one of semantics rather than one of alignment. I'm not really seeing what JJJ's seeing.

Made wrote:I kinda read the original post as tinfoily myself, mostly because Eloh's post didn't seem like a role claim to me.

And having read 16 pages in one sitting, the theory against Quin is kinda lost on me. Is it because of his tinfoil theory??

He made one substantive post, which I've snipped to these pieces. His contribution has been to discount the suspicions presented by other people (my suspicion of Long Con and Elohcin's suspicion of Quin). He was vaguely critical of me here (asserting I was concerned with semantics and not alignment) which lends some support to his eventual decision to vote for me. It's a bit convenient though that his only meaningful post provided him with the rationale necessary to participate in a two-way lynch dynamic between Quin and I.

The highlighted question is a little ick at face value. In his first sentence about Quin, he acknowledged Elohcin's post, and though he didn't think she was roleclaiming this at least evidences that he was aware of that point's existence. So that should tell him that "the case against Quin" consisted of more than just the tinfoil theory.

Also, two question marks. Yikes.

Made wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Let's talk about Made:

Made wrote:Unless someone can explain any further significance of this argument and LC's response, the interaction feels more like a doubt than an accusation, and that make this argument feel more like one of semantics rather than one of alignment. I'm not really seeing what JJJ's seeing.

Made wrote:I kinda read the original post as tinfoily myself, mostly because Eloh's post didn't seem like a role claim to me.

And having read 16 pages in one sitting, the theory against Quin is kinda lost on me. Is it because of his tinfoil theory??

He made one substantive post, which I've snipped to these pieces. His contribution has been to discount the suspicions presented by other people (my suspicion of Long Con and Elohcin's suspicion of Quin). He was vaguely critical of me here (asserting I was concerned with semantics and not alignment) which lends some support to his eventual decision to vote for me. It's a bit convenient though that his only meaningful post provided him with the rationale necessary to participate in a two-way lynch dynamic between Quin and I.

The highlighted question is a little ick at face value. In his first sentence about Quin, he acknowledged Elohcin's post, and though he didn't think she was roleclaiming this at least evidences that he was aware of that point's existence. So that should tell him that "the case against Quin" consisted of more than just the tinfoil theory.

Also, two question marks. Yikes.

I read Eloh 1.0's post, but I missed eloh's suspicion on quin. Also wasn't Quin was the one pushing it as a role claim. But I can't find the post where this all happened.

Sorsha wrote:I'll most likely be voting for jjj also today. I'd hate to see a no lynch but I'm going to hope that he's lying about either his prize or what happens.

If Wilgy is the second most vote recipient that would be good I think. Hopefully if jay does have immunity it'll just go to the next highest and I've got no reason to believe Wilgy is civ.

Quin wrote: The point is that if you read Eloh's post and my pushing it as a role claim, it'd be hard for you to not connect the dots and come to the conclusion that she role blocked me on a night where nobody died. It's not the kind of thing you forget or don't see the significance of.

thellama73 wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I'll most likely be voting for jjj also today. I'd hate to see a no lynch but I'm going to hope that he's lying about either his prize or what happens.

If Wilgy is the second most vote recipient that would be good I think. Hopefully if jay does have immunity it'll just go to the next highest and I've got no reason to believe Wilgy is civ.

Why the heck would that happen?