The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:19 pm**

Who poisoned MacDougall?

Poll ended at Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:00 pmPlease note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

juliets
0
No votes

Voters: None

DrWilgy
2
20%

Voters: Epignosis, juliets

Epignosis
0
No votes

Voters: None

Glorfindel
0
No votes

Voters: None

insertnamehere
0
No votes

Voters: None

Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes

Voters: None

Long Con
1
10%

Voters: speedchuck

rabbit8
0
No votes

Voters: None

speedchuck
1
10%

Voters: Glorfindel

Elohcin
0
No votes

Voters: None

Marmot (Host/dead/np/faculty)
6
60%

Voters: JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Sloonei, Kylemii, Marmot, MacDougall

Total votes: 10

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:22 pm**

Let's try to get more living players than dead players voting in the lynch poll tomorrow.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:36 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:19 pm Effective immediately, Elohcin has replaced timmer.

Well, hello everyone. Thanks so much for the warm welcome. You are all too kind.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 pm**

okay, I am going to be lazy. I see we have 10 players....wait...9 since wilgy was just lynched (RIP). Can anyone tell me how many mafia we have left and how many are civs? Anyone care to give me a rundown of what is going on? Or are you all just a bunch of inactive nerds?

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:47 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 pm okay, I am going to be lazy. I see we have 10 players....wait...9 since wilgy was just lynched (RIP). Can anyone tell me how many mafia we have left and how many are civs? Anyone care to give me a rundown of what is going on? Or are you all just a bunch of inactive nerds?

You're going to be lazy.

You could fart and do more than most people did in here today.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:49 pm**

I didn't realize that the EOD was early. I probably would have voted Wilgy TBH.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:57 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:00 pm
Farewell to Lórien

The party spent time in Lórien, and the elves who dwell within. The members of the party were given many gifts to part with.

DrWilgy was given elvish bread. Or so he thought. Someone thought it would be funny to bake it with shards of steel.

DrWilgy has been lynched. He was...

Spoiler: show
Legolas

He was a vanilla civilian.

Night 4 has begun. You have until 20:00 EST on Monday to submit your night actions.

Lol, good prank bruh

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:00 pm**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:57 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:00 pm
Farewell to Lórien

The party spent time in Lórien, and the elves who dwell within. The members of the party were given many gifts to part with.

DrWilgy was given elvish bread. Or so he thought. Someone thought it would be funny to bake it with shards of steel.

DrWilgy has been lynched. He was...

Spoiler: show
Legolas

He was a vanilla civilian.

Night 4 has begun. You have until 20:00 EST on Monday to submit your night actions.
Lol, good prank bruh

As always with Wilgy, the joke's on everyone else.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm**

Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:07 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.

You know what I'm not a fan of?

You not voting.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:08 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 pm okay, I am going to be lazy. I see we have 10 players....wait...9 since wilgy was just lynched (RIP). Can anyone tell me how many mafia we have left and how many are civs? Anyone care to give me a rundown of what is going on? Or are you all just a bunch of inactive nerds?

If you look at the first page you can see how many of each faction are in the game (3 mafia) and that all the lynches to date have been civs. So unless the mafia killed one of their own at night - highly unlikely - there are three mafia still in the game. That leaves 6 civs if I did the math right.

That's interesting Jack but I have certainly seen the set-up in games that I have played, maybe on other sites but several of these players - Long Con, rabbit, Epi, INH - played on those sites with me. So I still think it's possible. Also why didn't you vote?

linki

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:17 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.
You know what I'm not a fan of?

You not voting.

Man don't even get me started. This is twice now I've come in ready to rock only to see we lynched a townie already.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:19 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.
You know what I'm not a fan of?

You not voting.
Man don't even get me started. This is twice now I've come in ready to rock only to see we lynched a townie already.

I just don't understand why you didn't at least vote. You voted speedchuck last time. You didn't vote him this time.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:20 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:08 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:39 pm okay, I am going to be lazy. I see we have 10 players....wait...9 since wilgy was just lynched (RIP). Can anyone tell me how many mafia we have left and how many are civs? Anyone care to give me a rundown of what is going on? Or are you all just a bunch of inactive nerds?
If you look at the first page you can see how many of each faction are in the game (3 mafia) and that all the lynches to date have been civs. So unless the mafia killed one of their own at night - highly unlikely - there are three mafia still in the game. That leaves 6 civs if I did the math right.

That's interesting Jack but I have certainly seen the set-up in games that I have played, maybe on other sites but several of these players - Long Con, rabbit, Epi, INH - played on those sites with me. So I still think it's possible. Also why didn't you vote?

linki

Cause I was unloading groceries and fielding Fire Emblem questions.

I'll let you know who I would have voted for in a bit when I catch up. Absolutely wouldn't have been Dr Elf Eyes tho.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:23 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.
You know what I'm not a fan of?

You not voting.
Man don't even get me started. This is twice now I've come in ready to rock only to see we lynched a townie already.
I just don't understand why you didn't at least vote. You voted speedchuck last time. You didn't vote him this time.

I don't like your tone, mister.

I don't remember voting Speed. I trusted Sloonei and Speed replaced him. Pretty sure I voted Mac yesterday.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:26 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:03 pm Not a fan of setup kill theories and here is why.

Player A suspects Player B and Player A gets nightkilled.

Without fucking fail, someone will come in and say the Player A kill is to setup Player B, who is town.

Only on very rare occasion will someone take the opposite stance, that Player B is bad and killed Player A to take some pressure off.

Additionally, I have never seen a scummate on this site attempt to set someone up by killing someone else.

So...fuck all that.
You know what I'm not a fan of?

You not voting.
Man don't even get me started. This is twice now I've come in ready to rock only to see we lynched a townie already.
I just don't understand why you didn't at least vote. You voted speedchuck last time. You didn't vote him this time.
I don't like your tone, mister.

I don't remember voting Speed. I trusted Sloonei and Speed replaced him. Pretty sure I voted Mac yesterday.

You are right. My mistake.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:46 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 5:27 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 3:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:33 pm Wait, no, that speedchuck vote looks tasty! Change my vote to speedchuck.
Any particular reason for that?
Long Con, I didn't see an answer to this question and it has become important for my ability to analyze what the suspicion of speed/sloonei is all about. Could you be more specific about why you changed your vote to him?
Well, here's my whole post, which speechuck cut in half:

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:33 pm Wait, no, that speedchuck vote looks tasty! Change my vote to speedchuck.

Just... Mac is on speedchuck, and if he wants Kyle lynched then he can do it himself at this point.
I originally broke the tie between Mac and Kyle, but then I saw Mac was solo-voting speedchuck. Figuring that MAc would come back and vote Kyle to save himself, I didn't think my vote was the most effective there. So I voted speedchuck alongside Mac and then Glorfindel triple-tied it. Short answer: flailing.

#Disgusting

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:47 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:19 pm Effective immediately, Elohcin has replaced timmer.

She's gonna be unhappy.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:52 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:18 pm Have people been voting at the last minute in this game?

It's a problem.

Due to my excellent pattern recognition abilities, I have discovered that days that end at 7 pm are really sucky for me. My son goes to bed around 7 and my daughter around 8. I do mt best work between those two hours while rocking the baby or waiting for the kiddo to finish washing her hands. Or while it's a slow work day. Or after 8 when I'm in bed and my wife is asleep or close to it (the kids are small and we are sleep deprived).

So basically 5-7 is my least productive mafia time and that's when I'm needed most in this game. I'll try to get a vote down and say what needs to be said before 5 from now on.

Also I think you are bad.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:55 pm**

Got to end of day. I'd have voted Long Con.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:58 pm**

I realize that the early Day end was partially my own fault. I was volunteering at an event Friday evening, so had to get the poll started early (or really, really late).

Buuut, there shouldn't be any more hiccups going forward. My apologies for that.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:59 pm**

So funny enough, my rainbow is practically unchanged.

I had some pings from Epi that were basically like "Epi lead a Wilgy mislynch" and "Epi is now going after townie me" but upon reading the full day and some of yesterday, I still really think he's town. He's trying. He can fake frustration but he seems to be genuinely trying still. That's good.

Still really think Speedchuck is town too. I like his reaction to LC, even if it was somewhat muted.

Glor is still no lying Glor.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:01 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:59 pm So funny enough, my rainbow is practically unchanged.

I had some pings from Epi that were basically like "Epi lead a Wilgy mislynch" and "Epi is now going after townie me" but upon reading the full day and some of yesterday, I still really think he's town. He's trying. He can fake frustration but he seems to be genuinely trying still. That's good.

Still really think Speedchuck is town too. I like his reaction to LC, even if it was somewhat muted.

Glor is still no lying Glor.

You make me nervous.

I agree with all of this.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:02 pm**

I don't think juliets is bad though.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:08 pm**

I'm rereading Timmer, DF, LC and having some antialignment troubles

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:12 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:52 pm
Also I think you are bad.

And why is that? I'm not bad though.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:18 pm**

Suspects

Timmer/Eloh: Nothing Timmer has done all game has sunk in. I don't like any of his votes except the DF one. I think Timmer really wanted DF dead when going after DF early on...but then didn't really try again. Possible antialign with DFJuliets. Possible buddy with LC as he basically dismisses accusations on LC with a "wait and see" attitude I expect from wolfmates.

DF is just kinda DF. Juliets comes in and is super nice and gracious and then follows Epi on a bad lynch, preventing LC from being lynched. Comes across as buddying. Here's the thing, though. She does the same to LC. Also there's the potential anti alignment with Timmer/Eloh.

LC: Just tone pinging me all game. I think his Speedchuck vote explanation is junk.

Need to reread LC and DF fully.

Kinda leaning towards a Timmer/Eloh + LC scumteam but I need to find the other baddie cause it's probably not Juliets.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:25 pm**

Sorry for missing the vote... too much focus on catching up with Fire Emblem, and I forgot.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:27 pm**

Jack I just want to clarify who do I come across as buddying? LC?

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:46 pm**

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:27 pm Jack I just want to clarify who do I come across as buddying? LC?

Me, Epi, LC.

Probably wrong.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:59 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:46 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 10:27 pm Jack I just want to clarify who do I come across as buddying? LC?
Me, Epi, LC.

Probably wrong.

Ok. I think you may just be reacting to my style. I once got lynched in a rabbit game for being too nice. And I offer this, from the game I just got killed in:

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 10, 2018 7:19 am I am not immensely surprised at Kyle, but why the heck would someone kill Juliets? She was being too polite? I will reread her as time allows to see how she may have lured an NK.

It's just how I am.

Posted: **Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:40 pm**

That makes me feel better about rethinking you.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 10:13 am**

Just a note about my schedule. Each weekday I have work and then physical therapy so I will be out of the thread until 3 or 3:30. I'll be reading more people today starting with Long Con.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 11:23 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 6:19 pm Effective immediately, Elohcin has replaced timmer.
She's gonna be unhappy.

why?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:52 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:18 pm Have people been voting at the last minute in this game?
It's a problem.

Due to my excellent pattern recognition abilities, I have discovered that days that end at 7 pm are really sucky for me. My son goes to bed around 7 and my daughter around 8. I do mt best work between those two hours while rocking the baby or waiting for the kiddo to finish washing her hands. Or while it's a slow work day. Or after 8 when I'm in bed and my wife is asleep or close to it (the kids are small and we are sleep deprived).

So basically 5-7 is my least productive mafia time and that's when I'm needed most in this game. I'll try to get a vote down and say what needs to be said before 5 from now on.

Also I think you are bad.

I get it man. You could have worse problems. Our oldest has never gone to bed before 9pm, ever! He stopped naps at age 2. He wakes up around 6:30am and throughout the night as well. Our other two are a bit more typical but still never before 8:30-9pm.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm**

Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm**

Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:59 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.

I concur. How does one 'POE' in a game with no scumflips, all-vanilla roles, etc?

Having Eloh as a scumread just because you have stronger townreads on everyone else is not POE, because nobody is truly eliminated. It's more just bad scumhunting that lynches people like Wilgy.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:50 pm**

Yeah! What he said!

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm**

I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm**

woops, jack, not jay. My bad. Long day so far.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:32 pm**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.
I concur. How does one 'POE' in a game with no scumflips, all-vanilla roles, etc?

Having Eloh as a scumread just because you have stronger townreads on everyone else is not POE, because nobody is truly eliminated. It's more just bad scumhunting that lynches people like Wilgy.

I didn't vote for Wilgy, eh? I argued against that. But even so, the WIlgy lynch wasn't a terrible one because Wilgy didn't work to keep it from happening. (This is frustrating to me. I've lost at least two games due to Wilgy mislynch. Yet I've also seen him nail half the baddies on Day 1 without using words. I don't need Wilgy to hit home runs every game but I'd appreciate him at least swinging every at bat.)

Anyway, this sounds like a wording problem to me. POE is constant. I am always trying to take a suspect pool and narrow it down to decide the best lynch choice. If I "eliminate" you from my suspect pool because I think you are good and I "eliminate" Mac from my suspect pool cause he's dead and I know there are 3 baddies left out of x players and I reduce that to y players to make us more likely to lynch baddies...how is this objectionable?

Yeah, it's easier with cops or scum flips but this is the same thing we do anyway.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:37 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:59 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:40 pm Cause I POE think you're bad again.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 1:56 pm Stupid POE crap and it isn't even based on my actions whatsoever.
Anyway, this sounds like a wording problem to me. POE is constant.
It is a wording problem, apparently. It's just... there's no way to argue against POE in the way you're using it, and it usually just results in low posters getting lynched. It also means that you don't have to give reasons for the player you're voting for. It's just "I think everyone else is town."

I've used 'POE' to skate by as scum without hunting before.

And I wasn't accusing you of the Wilgy lynch.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:37 pm**

Bleh, vote messup

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:37 pm**

*quote messup bah*

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:38 pm**

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 2:51 pm I'm sorry, but I cannot go back and read 21 pages at this time. Jay, how about you give me a bit of what has gone on so I can weigh in and actually prove myself a bit.

Glor claimed town so we know he's town.

Sloonei came out Slooneiing. I and a few others expressed belief he was good. Mac said he was bad. Speed then replaced Sloonei and while not doing amazing, hasn't pinged me at all. Epi has also expressed belief he is good.

Mac and Wilgy more or less got himself lynched and Mac almost did the same but was nightkilled for some reason.

I'd appreciate it if you would ISO Juliets/Timmer, LC, Rabbit and weigh in on them.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:42 pm**

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

So do you think I'm not hunting?

Eloh's free to try to take herself off the suspect list. I'm not going to lynch a high poster who I think is town over a low poster I have no read on in the name of fairness.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:56 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:42 pm speedchuck

So do you think I'm not hunting?

Eloh's free to try to take herself off the suspect list. I'm not going to lynch a high poster who I think is town over a low poster I have no read on in the name of fairness.

Yeah, I guess that's fair. I just usually use 'POE' to refer to certainties. And I have nothing certain in this game. None of the lynches or nightkills have really provided any insight.

I guess we have Glorf though.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 3:58 pm**

My top townreads are Glorfindel, Juliets, and INH. JoH comes after. Then Epi.

I'm going to look at Rabbit8.

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:06 pm**

Yeah I didn't get much out of that reread. Slightly north of null on Rabbit8.

[mention]rabbit8[/mention] Who is your top pick for scum?

Posted: **Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:10 pm**

speedchuck
Glorfindel
juliets
insertnamehere
Jackofhearts2005
Epignosis
rabbit8
Elohcin
Long Con

Huh.

I could have sworn there were more players that I didn't trust at all. Rabbit8 retroactively looks worse. Is this... PIE?

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