Avatar The Last Airbender Mafia postgame

[cassowary]

Cassowary isnt mod cleared as town, but they hit a town tell I've discovered of theirs and im super confidant they are town. Not outting this info b/c its a pretty easy thing for Cass to fake if they were aware of it.

!! :O what could it be

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Your GM is pretty sick, I’ll have to flip this properly later tonight. DDL dies and is town, Iroh, fire nation, every night he visits someone and gives them tea which has an unspecified effect

Chardonnay does not die

Will flip this properly and everything later, sorry for the inconvenience

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Thanks for the game nanook! Also I hope you get better.

[Carotenoid]

Well fuck

[chardonnay]

I was so sure DDL was scum too... I feel bad.

Your GM is pretty sick, I’ll have to flip this properly later tonight. DDL dies and is town, Iroh, fire nation, every night he visits someone and gives them tea which has an unspecified effect

Chardonnay does not die

Will flip this properly and everything later, sorry for the inconvenience

with dead doc, and burn taking affect EoD, maybe sometimes burns are survivable by chance?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Who do I need to kill to get a link to dead chat. Nanook is not online. Help.

[cayvie]

I was so sure DDL was scum too... I feel bad.

Your GM is pretty sick, I’ll have to flip this properly later tonight. DDL dies and is town, Iroh, fire nation, every night he visits someone and gives them tea which has an unspecified effect

Chardonnay does not die

Will flip this properly and everything later, sorry for the inconvenience

with dead doc, and burn taking affect EoD, maybe sometimes burns are survivable by chance?

i feel like that would be bastard, saying that you'll die at end of day if it's not a certainty

[Long Con]

Told you he was town.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Votecount:
DDL (5): cass, Fatmo, cayvie, carot, char
Cayvie (3): DDL, Dov, wilgy
Dov (1): LC


DDL was town and flips:

Iroh (Fire Nation)

Dragon of the West: Every night, target a player to give sage wisdom and a hot cup of tea to. This will have an unknown effect!

In addition, Chardonnay survives their burning.

N4 will end September 12, ~4pm EDT

Postcaps are these +33:



[mention]Carotenoid[/mention]
[mention]cassowary[/mention]
[mention]cayvie[/mention]
[mention]chardonnay[/mention]
[mention]dov[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Fatmo[/mention]
[mention]Long Con[/mention]

[chardonnay]

Told you he was town.

Well, thanks.

Where would you go from here?

[Long Con]

Told you he was town.

Well, thanks.

Where would you go from here?

I would chop dov, and then cayvie.

[chardonnay]

Probably same for me. :/

i should revalute things rn, but im not feeling v motivated.

DDL visiting both N1 kill target, and N2 burn target was some major bad luck. I just didn't think it would be a coincidence town would happen to have done.

-//-/-

What are others thoughts for tomarrow?

[dov]

if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

[DrWilgy]

Lol why did we murk DDL who was clearly town?

Here's my new pitch:
Vote cayvie, get gravy! Mmmmm... Gravy!

[Long Con]

if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

I believe that marcher would have Gladiatored his team-mate. It makes the most sense.

[cayvie]

if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

dov, what have i done that makes you suspect me?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[mention]Long Con[/mention] has died in the night! He was town and flips:

]
Ozai (Fire Nation)

You have no abilities. You are town, and you win when all the mafia are dead.

In addition, [mention]chardonnay[/mention] has been burnt and will die at EOD if not healed.

D5 ends September 14, 4pm EDT or at hammer (5 votes).

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[mention]Carotenoid[/mention]
[mention]cassowary[/mention]
[mention]cayvie[/mention]
[mention]chardonnay[/mention]
[mention]dov[/mention]
[mention]DrWilgy[/mention]
[mention]Fatmo[/mention]

[cayvie]

are we at mylo? it depends on if char dies, i think (assuming char is town i guess)

[cayvie]

i guess also assuming 2 remaining mafia which seems likely

[cayvie]

maybe the burning just takes 2 days?

[cayvie]

if we don't have a burn heal, we may already be dead?

no burn heal
5-2 rn
correct chop
4-1 going into night
3-1 with a burn
correct chop
2-0

ok if we have no burn heal left we have to chop correctly twice rn, because any mischop there loses us the game.
tho maybe with 2 kills it makes sense for the maf team to be smaller? maybe there's only 1 remaining

[cayvie]

if we have a burn heal then a mischop just puts us at normal f5, i think? is no chop ever correct here?

[chardonnay]

if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

You think she is scum? Why is that?

what are your reads btw?

[chardonnay]

if we have a burn heal then a mischop just puts us at normal f5, i think? is no chop ever correct here?

5:2
no-flip, burn kills, then successful nk
3:2

so yeah it no-flip theoretically creates a normal lylo tomarrow. Thing is I dont know if Im gonna die from the burn or what. If i dont then that puts us at mlyo tomarrow.

Im sticking with a 4 person team for the sake of safety.

[DrWilgy]

How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

[cayvie]

How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

do you think cass is mafia? i'm still on dov/carotte as most likely pairing

[dov]

if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

dov, what have i done that makes you suspect me?

not suspecting you, just wondering why im being prioritized over you in terms of being scum

[dov]

You think she is scum? Why is that?

what are your reads btw?
[/quote]
never suspected her of scum, but she may be. i simply just wanted to know why i was being prioritized over her as mentioned above. i want to believe at least one of the maf is cass since she wasn't cleared as town if im reading that correctly, but too many people are playing the same sort of game where it could be anyone essentially this late in the game. im not good at reads since this is my first game and in addition i will feel like a shitty person if i accuse the wrong person and get them chopped

[chardonnay]

How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

I dont think its cass. But talk to me about them anyway.

cavie is what i was thinking too. I was gonna go with yesterday until I over thought DDL at EoD.

THoughts on DoV/Charotte?

[chardonnay]

How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

do you think cass is mafia? i'm still on dov/carotte as most likely pairing

WHich would you vote first?

[chardonnay]

[mention]cassowary[/mention] were you able to reread the game?

If not then just tell me your current thoughts

[cayvie]

How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

do you think cass is mafia? i'm still on dov/carotte as most likely pairing

WHich would you vote first?

dov

i still think that vote at eod1 is the scummiest-feeling thing anyone has done all game

[cayvie]

How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

I dont think its cass. But talk to me about them anyway.

cavie is what i was thinking too. I was gonna go with yesterday until I over thought DDL at EoD.

THoughts on DoV/Charotte?

why do you think i'm mafia, again?

[Carotenoid]

[mention]Fatmo[/mention] Do you have a track result?

[cayvie]

@Fatmo Do you have a track result?

oh good question!

followup: why are you still alive?

[cassowary]

@cassowary were you able to reread the game?

If not then just tell me your current thoughts

I really think Carotte's interactions w/ confirmed maf look not great tbh. Like what Carotte says about U-G in these few posts strikes me as very possible w/w. And Carotte voted MJ d2, but didn't have much to say on it tbh, looks kinda like bussing for town cred when it was obvious Jovian was going down (i mean Jovian already had 3 votes at this point and already had attracted substantial suspicion).

Looking back I can see cayvie's posts coming from maf as well (though i'm feeling stronger about Carot atm) and I feel bad for weirding myself away from voting cayvie yesterday. But I'm not sure I really have anything concrete on Cayvie other than PoE? But if it's PoE it could be Fatmo or Dov as well... hm. I'm a little confused atm :/

[VOTE: carotenoid] aubergine

[cassowary]

chard: last day you said you were thinking it was either DDLxCayvie or CarottexDov:

Its shaping up to look like the team is ethier DDL, and Cayvie. Or, Carotte, and DoV.

CarotxDov is a bit left field, but more possible then other DoV teams. Only weird thing is DoV openly saying that he was sheeping Carotte N1. Almost seems like too uncomfortable a thing for mafia to confess doing to another mafia. Espeasly when DoV was already p nervous about how he was perceived.

(unless I'm misreading what you meant here I guess)

so now that we know DDL is town, if you're still wanting to go with Cayvie, who are you proposing as Cayvie's partner?

Not really trying to defend Cayvie here, I just want to feel better about it if we're choosing to vote her over Carotte or Dov today and I want someone to sell me on the case more

[cassowary]

im not good at reads since this is my first game and in addition i will feel like a shitty person if i accuse the wrong person and get them chopped

dov for real me and chardonnay just convinced town to kill the wrong person yesterday, it happens sometimes and being wrong is just part of the game, but i really would love to know any thoughts you have right now, we're kind of coming down to the wire

i want to believe at least one of the maf is cass since she wasn't cleared as town if im reading that correctly, but too many people are playing the same sort of game where it could be anyone essentially this late in the game.

not trying to omgus here, but I don't really like how dov singles me out as unconfirmed town while ignoring cayvie and carotte. Hmm maybe I shouldn't be giving dov so much benefit of the doubt. :[

[dov]

im not good at reads since this is my first game and in addition i will feel like a shitty person if i accuse the wrong person and get them chopped

dov for real me and chardonnay just convinced town to kill the wrong person yesterday, it happens sometimes and being wrong is just part of the game, but i really would love to know any thoughts you have right now, we're kind of coming down to the wire

i want to believe at least one of the maf is cass since she wasn't cleared as town if im reading that correctly, but too many people are playing the same sort of game where it could be anyone essentially this late in the game.

not trying to omgus here, but I don't really like how dov singles me out as unconfirmed town while ignoring cayvie and carotte. Hmm maybe I shouldn't be giving dov so much benefit of the doubt. :[

sorry for singling you out, but honestly I do have suspicion for chardonnay as well but felt if I said anything it would backfire because he's seems to be kinda leading everything right now and wouldn't look the best for me

[cassowary]

no, give your thoughts! if chardonnay really is mafia it would be really good to figure that out so we don't lose the game...

lol i just realized more than half the remaining people have names that start with C

[cassowary]

fwiw, dov, the reason I personally trust chardonnay, at least, is that his interactions with U-G (a confirmed mafia) don't read at all like two mafia interacting to me. like, check out this interaction:

@chardonnay
can i confirm why you're voting cassowary? you haven't said much immediately about them outside of 'something' feeling off and currently disagreeing with their PSINE read

forcing a read that they weren't really confidant in, (PSINightmare).

Oh shit I just did that huh

Yeah I didn't want my FIRST iso to be a null read so I kinda put a gun to my head and said "Nooter slightly scummy" even though it's closer to null.

I mean... there's nothing inhertly wrong with forcing a read for the sake of content generation. Its more when its done for the sake of not standing out.

Im not sure what to make of you lamp shading your own actions so quickly UG haha. You seem pretty ill at ease rn.

Oh yeah I'm absolutely ill at ease. This is a new game on an unfamiliar site, with new people I've never played. I am anxious as FUCK rn even outside of game stuff.

So I'm kinda, just talking. I'm just gonna kinda say whatever comes to me and then judge people based on how they react to that.

That's worked for me before so even if I can't fall back on familiar metas, there's always That.

And sorry if people were trying to address me before this, I'm still at work, I'll try to find time later.

we know u-g is mafia; do you think a mafia chardonnay makes sense in this interaction?

[cassowary]

Gonna try and sell myself on the cayvie case too I guess

Looking at cayvie/UG interactions...

I believe the only time cayvie mentioned UG pre-flip was in this ordering:

Spoiler: show

did a reread and here's a rough ordering before i go to bed.

cayvie
carotenoid
DDL
PSINE
Fatmo
chardonnay
Alison
Nutella

_________would vote below this line
Long Con
UG
Jack

_________would happily vote below this line

cassowary
Wilgy
DJNS
Jiwon

(dov, KS)

I can see a mafia member putting one of their partners in the 'would vote but not that happy about it' category for sure.

It is a little weird though because the other scum we know in this list is KS (who was replaced by Jovian). If it's cayvie/dov and cayvie's only partner who's around is UG, does cayvie put UG under "would vote"? I don't know actually -- maybe, if she knew KS was getting replaced soon.

If it's cayvie/carotte (possible but maybe unlikely? Will look into the possibility of this team later I guess) then scum!cayvie puts one of her partners as top townread? Idk about this either tbh but I can see this working if it was Cayvie/Carotte/UG/KS and the goal was to get Cayvie and/or Carotte deep.

I guess cayvie not having anything to say on UG before UG flipped mafia is kind of sketch though. Afterwards she did all those analyses of interactions with UG (though leaving herself out of course)

PSINE calling Cayvie out feels.... Odd? Like, not scummy odd but more like "I'm out of my element and kinda making things up as I go and things are escalating because of it"??? It's hard to explain.

I'm pretty sure this was the PSI post in question:

All righty, I'm back again. Man I wish I had more time to interact with the thread over a long period of time rather than just popping in with a few posts and leaving again...I should have more time on the weekend, which isn't super helpful for Day 1 but maybe I can be more helpful on Day 2.

Think I'll put together a reads list (enclosed below). I haven't reread the thread yet because I don't have time, so sorry if I remember things wrong.

Spoiler: show

Alison--Like I said, I believe her claim. It makes sense to me and I'm not personally seeing it coming from scum. I won't put her locktown though because apparently it isn't out of her wolfrange, but she's definitely strong town.

Carotenoid--As I said before, her tone is still odd to me and my gut is telling me not to trust her. She agrees that her tone is "noticeably different", but she doesn't really explain on that at all? It's a bit confusing. She has mindmelded with me a little bit though, so I wouldn't write it off as her being town, but it could also be a pocketing attempt? If that's the case it does match up with her current townread of me. I'm putting her at a mild scumlean.

Cassowary--Others have brought this up, and I hadn't before, but I agree that something feels off about them. They've just had an odd tone that I'm not vibing with. They could use an ISO which I don't really have time for atm, but I know there's something off there. Mild scumlean as well.

Cayvie--Ugh I can't read her anymore. My initial scumlean was for a reason that has obviously been a mistake, but she's not super townie to me either. I've seen posts that could go either way for her. I'd like to have a stronger lean, but right now she'll be an uncomfortable null.

Chardonnay--I'm actually feeling pretty good about him right now. I've mindmelded with him on more than a few things so far, and I agree with almost all of his takes. I do know that I agreed with a lot of his takes in the last game I played with him (I was civ and he was wolf) so I wouldn't put it past him, but I'm feeling pretty good about him so far. Moderate townlean.

DJ Neutron Star--I'm having a hard time reading her. My gut knee-jerk read would be mafia, but whenever I think that my brain immediately goes "wait no probably town" so I can't decide yet. Super super light scumlean.

Dov--He's had a single post the whole game, just to say "good luck". Normally I would see this as scummy, but I've seen it from town too many times to really pin it down. Would like more content. Null.

DDL--Gut read comes up town, but I'm unfamiliar with him so he could totally be scum. I so need to do an ISO on him, but until that happens it'll be a mild townlean.

DrWilgy--I really don't know. I can't pin anything down yet. They're a perfectly solid null at the moment. I'll need more content to decide.

Fatmo--One post I think? Similar to Dov, they just sort of dropped in with a "sup" and disappeared. Again, I would normally see this as scummy if not for the townies who also do this. Null.

JackofHearts2005--I'm sure they're perfectly capable of their current play as scum, but my gut says town. I haven't seen enough to quantify a legitimate read, so I'll leave it as a mild townlean.

JiwonMeganPark--I'm honestly not seeing too much scummy about them? They kinda just read like a jokey player. I don't mind the wagon, but I'm not sure it's the absolute best option right now.

KitsuShel--No posts.

Long Con--I've got a gut scumread here but no real reason to justify it. He could really go either way. Mild scumlean.

Nutella--She reads town to me, but I get the feeling she's a good enough player to pull this off as mafia. I haven't really had any mindmelds with her yet either, so I'll have to put her as null.

Ultimate-Gamer--Null.

Sorry the readlist is full of "well I feel this but it could be this" and my gutreads, but as I haven't had time to ISO anyone and there isn't anything standing out to me yet, this is the best I can muster. I'm all right joining most of the wagons (as in, none of them are "wait no that person has got to be town" for me) but I don't want to place down a vote until I've had the chance to do at least a bit more work.

i really like this post fwiw

Why? What about it do you like? It's just a readlist full of gutreads. Want to get specific for me and tell me what specifically you like about it? (For the record, the answer may help me read you.)

U-G casting kinda weird shade at psi for calling out cayvie? "You don't feel scummy but this is weird". PSI's post doesn't really read weird to me, it's asking for an elaboration on a vague post in response to something she said. I can see U-G seeing this slightly suspicious post made at his partner, maybe reading it as more serious than it was, and getting a little defensive on her behalf as scum?

Okay let’s move onto Cayvie
Starts of explaining the divisions in the elements and characters… Kinda gets into it with Alison about power roles… Gets really heated with Alison… I don’t Know Cayvie very well but from a scum perspective, what would be gained by this? Like, I’d like to imagine that if Cayvie was startin to but heads with Alison, what would they gain by keeping it up and standing their ground on this? They could have easily said “oh shoot you’re right” and blended RIGHT back in. This doesn’t feel like someone with something to hide ya know?

Yeah the more I read the more I’m seeing a townie actively trying to solve the game to the best of their ability and not concerning themselves with trying to be not noticed. I’m feeling a better town read I think.

It's a bit weird that U-G defends cayvie here on stuff that happened really early on but doesn't really go further than that? like this post was on page 7 and he's discussing stuff from like page 2 to move towards a townread, when there was more stuff to discuss for sure. Hmm

Cayvie: ISO'd. Also town. Unlike Alison, I CAN see a universe where Cayvie is scum, but her actions make MORE sense as town. She's active, she's solving the game, she's putting herself out there in a way that would be counterintuitive as scum. Pretty good town lean.

This like "well i think town read but hmm maybe could be mafia oh gee but probably not" strikes me as possible w/w stuff

Hmm ok starting to think maybe I should just vote cayvie get gravy lol

[dov]

[mention]cassowary[/mention] alright, i'm trying to follow along but I'm just having a really difficult time haha, I've seen U-G mentioned multiple times thinking it was some sort of acronym haha. also, I was so confused with this i didn't even realize there was a mafia already discovered
i think UG's draws on cayvies do make her a bit sus on the basis he kept bringing up this conditional thing with cayvie where he was pretending there was a chance she was scum, but then ultimately defended her as you noted. if needed, I'll vote cayvie, not sure about any others atm though. i mean the interactions between chardonnay and UG could've been scripted and planned prior to make it seem as if they had no information with the other being scum, could just be me overanalyzing though.

[cayvie]

fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

[cayvie]

i don't think any mafia team leaves a claimed investigative alive at this point in the game without a way of dealing with it.

[cayvie]

water tribe people left: yue, sokka.

yue is cass
sokka is... wilgy or char

yue could be scum i guess? idk if char makes sense, 2 burns in a row. wait i think char claimed water tribe, making him sokka. wilgy is cleared anyway..

[cassowary]

fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?

----

Going back over some early cayvie/carotte stuff rn

I said it was weird U-G gave thoughts on cayvie that were based on really old stuff and I do think it's interesting that U-G's logic there mirrors this Carot post from p1:

I think cayvie is townie because in a t!Alison world a wolf would probs be more likely to believe the claim immediately rather than try to undermine it. (her reply to your post was like 2 minutes after) Her motivation seems to be heavily experience/~emotions based in a way that's more "townie being careful" than "scum trying to discredit".

Carotte actually pretty heavily defends Cayvie against a lot of the people looking to vote her d1:

Spoiler: show

Spoiler: show

I don’t see any tmi about Allison’s alignment in DDL’s post. His reasoning for townreading her is basically identical to mine with a hedge. If I see tmi it’s here.

oh that makes a lot of sense, thank you for clarifying. i was kinda ??? at your original post.

i think that DDL's post is talking about Alison's post as dangerous in a meta-sense, that this is a dangerous precedent to set for future games but not necessarily this one? so not necessarily bad for town in this game, but bad for town *in general*. kind of reminds me of policy chops in a way.

i do see what you mean about how it potentially TMIs Alison as town.

Where Cayvie sees a tmi that doesn’t exist as indicating that DDL is a wolf.

Contrast with this post.

Yeah nutella, like he's trying to show he's hesitating but he actually knows she's town.

Cayvie yeah in long-term I meant throughout-games/meta-sense. Like, he can extrapolate to long term because he already knows how it's unfolding in this game? I don't think it's like policy chops though, because policy chops are more like: x is making this game harder because blabla so we should chop them (immediate impacts, short/medium term impact), when this is more like assuming things and how they can affect long long term stuff

tl;dr is just UH OH NOT GOOD

Which reads practically like drooling. Could be a wolf looking for a misyeet. Could be a townie thinking they see a chance to nab a wolf.

Carot is not scum with DDL.

All this makes this post

i think DDL and carotte are town rn!

all the more “interesting.”

I kinda wanna flip DDL even though logically the move is to flip Cayvie. Both can consider themselves on notice.

Spoiler: show

Btw, I think I’m gonna try to be a “team player” this game and see how that works out. I’m not bothering with Carot cause Alison trusts them.

Lol what does my post drooling mean??
I don't really see it thought because I do see how DDL's post is TMI in the way it's worded I do agree that the transition to townreading both of us is a bit ??? but I think w!cayvie would have been more mindful about that.

[VOTE: Cayvie] aubergine

Secondaries could go to Cass, Alison

Tertiary PSI or DJ.

Discuss.

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I'm not really seeing what you see about cayvie tbh, I disagree with her about your post feeling forced but it wasn't a "useless" comment. Is there something else that makes you wanna vote cayvie? What did you think of her during her initial interactions with Alison?

Why Alison is secondary?

I'm leaning toward cayvie as the chop right now. I don't like how her change of opinion on DDL went, and her ISO largely reads to me like pocketing attempts of DDL and Alison. [VOTE: cayvie] aubergine

I'm a *little bit* bothered that this is thinking in term of finding a chop rather than finding wolves.

I have wrongly scumread Long Con before so I'm trying to be careful and give it more time though. I liked nutella's vote on him.

Carot responding to ~all the people saying they want to vote cayvie with objections seems a little sketch to me if cayvie is maf

[VOTE: Jiwon] aubergine

Hmn I realized that I might not be able to be around for EoD :/
Anyway. I think my preferred flip is Jiwon. Would be okay with cassowary, DDL or DJ too. Don't want to flip cayvie or UG.

This is a gutsy move if the team was carotte/cayvie/ug/jovian tbh

Idk, other people let me know your thoughts on a Carotte/Cayvie mafia pairing

dov/fatmo are PoE too, though

[cassowary]

fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?

To clarify here, had mafia killed off Fatmo, they'd essentially narrow the mafia pool down to you, Carot, and dov, where 2/3 of those were mafia. Bad odds. Fatmo isn't remotely cleared by this of course, but I don't think killing LC means as much as you're making it out to mean.

[cayvie]

fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?

To clarify here, had mafia killed off Fatmo, they'd essentially narrow the mafia pool down to you, Carot, and dov, where 2/3 of those were mafia. Bad odds. Fatmo isn't remotely cleared by this of course, but I don't think killing LC means as much as you're making it out to mean.

i feel like getting caught is such a big risk tho.

also, uh, you're not cleared, cass. put that ratio at 2/4

[cassowary]

Fair enough. What scum teams do you find likely from your PoV, then?