The Syndicate

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:24 pmCassowary isnt mod cleared as town, but they hit a town tell I've discovered of theirs and im super confidant they are town. Not outting this info b/c its a pretty easy thing for Cass to fake if they were aware of it.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:04 pm Your GM is pretty sick, I’ll have to flip this properly later tonight. DDL dies and is town, Iroh, fire nation, every night he visits someone and gives them tea which has an unspecified effect

Chardonnay does not die

Will flip this properly and everything later, sorry for the inconvenience

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:12 pm I was so sure DDL was scum too... I feel bad.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:04 pm Your GM is pretty sick, I’ll have to flip this properly later tonight. DDL dies and is town, Iroh, fire nation, every night he visits someone and gives them tea which has an unspecified effect

Chardonnay does not die

Will flip this properly and everything later, sorry for the inconvenience

with dead doc, and burn taking affect EoD, maybe sometimes burns are survivable by chance?

Iroh (Fire Nation)

Dragon of the West: Every night, target a player to give sage wisdom and a hot cup of tea to. This will have an unknown effect!

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:14 pm Told you he was town.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:14 pm Told you he was town.

Well, thanks.

Where would you go from here?

dov wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:16 am if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

dov wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:16 am if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

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Ozai (Fire Nation)

You have no abilities. You are town, and you win when all the mafia are dead.

dov wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:16 am if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

cayvie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:23 pm if we have a burn heal then a mischop just puts us at normal f5, i think? is no chop ever correct here?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:06 am How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

cayvie wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:02 pm

dov wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:16 am if you chop me, you're just letting mafia win quicker- just killing another town.
why am I being prioritized over cayvie?

dov, what have i done that makes you suspect me?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:56 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:06 am How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:13 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:06 am How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

do you think cass is mafia? i'm still on dov/carotte as most likely pairing

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:12 am

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:13 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:06 am How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

do you think cass is mafia? i'm still on dov/carotte as most likely pairing

WHich would you vote first?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:11 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:06 am How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

I dont think its cass. But talk to me about them anyway.

cavie is what i was thinking too. I was gonna go with yesterday until I over thought DDL at EoD.

THoughts on DoV/Charotte?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:38 am @Fatmo Do you have a track result?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:13 am @cassowary were you able to reread the game?

If not then just tell me your current thoughts

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:17 am Its shaping up to look like the team is ethier DDL, and Cayvie. Or, Carotte, and DoV.

CarotxDov is a bit left field, but more possible then other DoV teams. Only weird thing is DoV openly saying that he was sheeping Carotte N1. Almost seems like too uncomfortable a thing for mafia to confess doing to another mafia. Espeasly when DoV was already p nervous about how he was perceived.

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:51 amim not good at reads since this is my first game and in addition i will feel like a shitty person if i accuse the wrong person and get them chopped

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:51 ami want to believe at least one of the maf is cass since she wasn't cleared as town if im reading that correctly, but too many people are playing the same sort of game where it could be anyone essentially this late in the game.

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:36 pm

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:51 amim not good at reads since this is my first game and in addition i will feel like a shitty person if i accuse the wrong person and get them chopped

dov for real me and chardonnay just convinced town to kill the wrong person yesterday, it happens sometimes and being wrong is just part of the game, but i really would love to know any thoughts you have right now, we're kind of coming down to the wire

dov wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:51 ami want to believe at least one of the maf is cass since she wasn't cleared as town if im reading that correctly, but too many people are playing the same sort of game where it could be anyone essentially this late in the game.

not trying to omgus here, but I don't really like how dov singles me out as unconfirmed town while ignoring cayvie and carotte. Hmm maybe I shouldn't be giving dov so much benefit of the doubt. :[

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:21 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 6:07 pm

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:58 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:48 pm

DJ Neutron Star wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:34 pm @chardonnay
can i confirm why you're voting cassowary? you haven't said much immediately about them outside of 'something' feeling off and currently disagreeing with their PSINE read

forcing a read that they weren't really confidant in, (PSINightmare).

Oh shit I just did that huh

Yeah I didn't want my FIRST iso to be a null read so I kinda put a gun to my head and said "Nooter slightly scummy" even though it's closer to null.

I mean... there's nothing inhertly wrong with forcing a read for the sake of content generation. Its more when its done for the sake of not standing out.

Im not sure what to make of you lamp shading your own actions so quickly UG haha. You seem pretty ill at ease rn.

Oh yeah I'm absolutely ill at ease. This is a new game on an unfamiliar site, with new people I've never played. I am anxious as FUCK rn even outside of game stuff.

So I'm kinda, just talking. I'm just gonna kinda say whatever comes to me and then judge people based on how they react to that.

That's worked for me before so even if I can't fall back on familiar metas, there's always That.

And sorry if people were trying to address me before this, I'm still at work, I'll try to find time later.

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 5:23 pm PSINE calling Cayvie out feels.... Odd? Like, not scummy odd but more like "I'm out of my element and kinda making things up as I go and things are escalating because of it"??? It's hard to explain.

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:15 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:58 pm

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:46 pm All righty, I'm back again. Man I wish I had more time to interact with the thread over a long period of time rather than just popping in with a few posts and leaving again...I should have more time on the weekend, which isn't super helpful for Day 1 but maybe I can be more helpful on Day 2.

Think I'll put together a reads list (enclosed below). I haven't reread the thread yet because I don't have time, so sorry if I remember things wrong.

Spoiler: show

Alison--Like I said, I believe her claim. It makes sense to me and I'm not personally seeing it coming from scum. I won't put her locktown though because apparently it isn't out of her wolfrange, but she's definitely strong town.

Carotenoid--As I said before, her tone is still odd to me and my gut is telling me not to trust her. She agrees that her tone is "noticeably different", but she doesn't really explain on that at all? It's a bit confusing. She has mindmelded with me a little bit though, so I wouldn't write it off as her being town, but it could also be a pocketing attempt? If that's the case it does match up with her current townread of me. I'm putting her at a mild scumlean.

Cassowary--Others have brought this up, and I hadn't before, but I agree that something feels off about them. They've just had an odd tone that I'm not vibing with. They could use an ISO which I don't really have time for atm, but I know there's something off there. Mild scumlean as well.

Cayvie--Ugh I can't read her anymore. My initial scumlean was for a reason that has obviously been a mistake, but she's not super townie to me either. I've seen posts that could go either way for her. I'd like to have a stronger lean, but right now she'll be an uncomfortable null.

Chardonnay--I'm actually feeling pretty good about him right now. I've mindmelded with him on more than a few things so far, and I agree with almost all of his takes. I do know that I agreed with a lot of his takes in the last game I played with him (I was civ and he was wolf) so I wouldn't put it past him, but I'm feeling pretty good about him so far. Moderate townlean.

DJ Neutron Star--I'm having a hard time reading her. My gut knee-jerk read would be mafia, but whenever I think that my brain immediately goes "wait no probably town" so I can't decide yet. Super super light scumlean.

Dov--He's had a single post the whole game, just to say "good luck". Normally I would see this as scummy, but I've seen it from town too many times to really pin it down. Would like more content. Null.

DDL--Gut read comes up town, but I'm unfamiliar with him so he could totally be scum. I so need to do an ISO on him, but until that happens it'll be a mild townlean.

DrWilgy--I really don't know. I can't pin anything down yet. They're a perfectly solid null at the moment. I'll need more content to decide.

Fatmo--One post I think? Similar to Dov, they just sort of dropped in with a "sup" and disappeared. Again, I would normally see this as scummy if not for the townies who also do this. Null.

JackofHearts2005--I'm sure they're perfectly capable of their current play as scum, but my gut says town. I haven't seen enough to quantify a legitimate read, so I'll leave it as a mild townlean.

JiwonMeganPark--I'm honestly not seeing too much scummy about them? They kinda just read like a jokey player. I don't mind the wagon, but I'm not sure it's the absolute best option right now.

KitsuShel--No posts.

Long Con--I've got a gut scumread here but no real reason to justify it. He could really go either way. Mild scumlean.

Nutella--She reads town to me, but I get the feeling she's a good enough player to pull this off as mafia. I haven't really had any mindmelds with her yet either, so I'll have to put her as null.

Ultimate-Gamer--Null.

Sorry the readlist is full of "well I feel this but it could be this" and my gutreads, but as I haven't had time to ISO anyone and there isn't anything standing out to me yet, this is the best I can muster. I'm all right joining most of the wagons (as in, none of them are "wait no that person has got to be town" for me) but I don't want to place down a vote until I've had the chance to do at least a bit more work.

i really like this post fwiw

Why? What about it do you like? It's just a readlist full of gutreads. Want to get specific for me and tell me what specifically you like about it? (For the record, the answer may help me read you.)

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:50 amOkay let’s move onto Cayvie
Starts of explaining the divisions in the elements and characters… Kinda gets into it with Alison about power roles… Gets really heated with Alison… I don’t Know Cayvie very well but from a scum perspective, what would be gained by this? Like, I’d like to imagine that if Cayvie was startin to but heads with Alison, what would they gain by keeping it up and standing their ground on this? They could have easily said “oh shoot you’re right” and blended RIGHT back in. This doesn’t feel like someone with something to hide ya know?

Yeah the more I read the more I’m seeing a townie actively trying to solve the game to the best of their ability and not concerning themselves with trying to be not noticed. I’m feeling a better town read I think.

Ultimate-Gamer wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:57 amCayvie: ISO'd. Also town. Unlike Alison, I CAN see a universe where Cayvie is scum, but her actions make MORE sense as town. She's active, she's solving the game, she's putting herself out there in a way that would be counterintuitive as scum. Pretty good town lean.

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:31 pm fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:18 pmI think cayvie is townie because in a t!Alison world a wolf would probs be more likely to believe the claim immediately rather than try to undermine it. (her reply to your post was like 2 minutes after) Her motivation seems to be heavily experience/~emotions based in a way that's more "townie being careful" than "scum trying to discredit".

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:38 am [VOTE: Jiwon] aubergine

Hmn I realized that I might not be able to be around for EoD :/
Anyway. I think my preferred flip is Jiwon. Would be okay with cassowary, DDL or DJ too. Don't want to flip cayvie or UG.

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:43 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:31 pm fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:47 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:43 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:31 pm fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?

To clarify here, had mafia killed off Fatmo, they'd essentially narrow the mafia pool down to you, Carot, and dov, where 2/3 of those were mafia. Bad odds. Fatmo isn't remotely cleared by this of course, but I don't think killing LC means as much as you're making it out to mean.