The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:29 am I think I'm too smooth brain to understand but I think the spinning anime girl is town so have my vote friendo.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:35 am I'm not sure what to think of this. My first thought was "that's a cool gif, wtf am I reading?"

Does this make sense?

...Or am I just dumb? Could be Im just dumb... Yeah I'm too dumb to understand, let's hope Tutuu is correct.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:14 pm I have no clue about the unholyfuckery that is occuring.

I'm voting Alison and LC. After sleeping on the Alison kerfunkle, I think it's best we resolve one of the 50-50s.

Voting LC because I trust papa Joeseph.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:57 am I still have no clue what happened re claims.

is there a world where ted is town and he's unironically considering wilgy to be the towniest doc claim

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:18 pm from your pov, if you're town, 3 other people were claiming doc yesterday and only 1 was telling the truth

why did you not speak up?

why were you complacent with letting LC get yeeted?

I don't get it and yes.

Last time there was claiming bs, both masons got shot n1 and 2 so I'll take my "little boy being spooked" in stride.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:20 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:16 pm @DrWilgy why did you not claim yesterday? why are you claiming now?

I figured I'd drop the hint and see what happens with LC. Also didn't want to fall for a tricksy bait and get shot for it. Only realized that I should reveal now due to the number of remaining players.

I'll be first to admit that I'm not smart when it comes to claims or mechanically solving a game.

LC wasn't the only liar from your pov

did you think i was VT providing cover? did you think either me or esooa was scum yesterday?

You providing cover? Took that as a possibility. LC's flip makes me now think otherwise. You are either real deal or wolf and there's no in between.

I didn't know Esooa was claimed. Like I said. I saw your pretty gifs and my brain shut down.

1) entertain the world where ted is town and he's townreading wilgy the most

2) brace myself for the esooa and alison (both members of the town) thunderdome

pick your poison, tutuu. which bottle of cyanide are you drinking first

All things considered regarding the claim fuckery,

I think resolving Alison rn is safe because that can point us towards Tutuu or Esoaa without risking the other doctor.

Protections are weird rn because I'd need to choose correct between Tutuu or Esooa.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm You providing cover? Took that as a possibility. LC's flip makes me now think otherwise. You are either real deal or wolf and there's no in between.

I didn't know Esooa was claimed. Like I said. I saw your pretty gifs and my brain shut down.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

wilgy's goals are beyond our understanding

Oof so

Anyone here familiar enough with our original two doctor claim contenders to say if they'd lie about it as mafia

I could see Wilgy pulling off a ballsy move as a mafia member like this i seem to recall he wants self shot a teammate.

However. The question does arise then what does he gain from claiming right now being the last claim chances are he'd get lynched first.

Honestly I think moving forward the best bet would be for the doctors to protect likely civs aka me to force the mafia to shoot a doctor or not have a night kill that'll self resolve thjs

I don't trust anyone on the Alison wagon though

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:17 pm Parting thoughts. I don't think Wilgy's claim looks great. He did hint (explicitly) that he was a doctor when he entered the game, though that is a standard Wilgy entrance so it was an easy one. Also, Wilgy isn't pushing his claim until now, at a moment when he and Alison are the leading wagons.

I guess I'm a leading wagon too, but whatever

I'll take a look at esooa and tutuu later

Oh godammit Marmot friend. I thought you had seen my actual claim in the following:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:31 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:57 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:35 am I'm not sure what to think of this. My first thought was "that's a cool gif, wtf am I reading?"

Does this make sense?

...Or am I just dumb? Could be Im just dumb... Yeah I'm too dumb to understand, let's hope Tutuu is correct.

Just please don't tell us your first post of the game was actually a doc claim.

He saw my claim and didn't shoot me lol

The first character in each sentence in my original quote in this blurb. Did you not see that and then randomly commented about my intro after? I M D O C Y - I'm Doc.

Yes I'm a doctor.

Sorry friend, I missed it. I said what I said there because I didn't want to deal with yet another doc claim at the time.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:30 pm All things considered regarding the claim fuckery,

I think resolving Alison rn is safe because that can point us towards Tutuu or Esoaa without risking the other doctor.

Protections are weird rn because I'd need to choose correct between Tutuu or Esooa.

I disagree. If you're a doc, wouldn't it make more sense for you to want to 50/50 the other two docs with one misyeet available?

love how alison is still top wagon after almost everyone checked in to the third doc claim

we have 25 hours left i believe

lets start putting those votes on the doc claimants, please

I'm not voting for wilgy, I do not care about what ever stupid claim this is

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:01 pm I'm not voting for wilgy, I do not care about what ever stupid claim this is

do u think im maf then?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:02 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:01 pm I'm not voting for wilgy, I do not care about what ever stupid claim this is

do u think im maf then?

I think I'm done with extremely fucking dumb claims like wiglys after LC's claim and other claims I've had to deal with and I'm just gonna not even care enough about it to re-evaluate anything and keep my vote where it was before

Wigly's claim means completely 0 to me right now

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:00 pm [VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

lol Love this.

I don't know if I should take Wilgy seriously

And I feel like @Syn spends more time in this thread then most of us tbh.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:30 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 11:14 pm [VOTE: alison] aubergine
[VOTE: marmot] aubergine

Suddenly feel afraid that marmot could be mafia and i not only defended syn d1 but i also doc claimed another mafia and got pressure off of him

Falcon, wilgy says that as his first post every game. Im afraid to openly PR hunt as town anymore. U know im starting to think that might not be very pro-town

Who u think is mafia falcon?

Alison, Marmot, Ted, Long Con, Dr Wilgy are all in my scum list ATM

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 12:21 pm I'm here and def still think Alison is scum

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 30, 2020 2:54 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
[VOTE: Dr Wilgy] aubergine

Three major posts from Falcon that has his major reads on top of this he called out Alison 4 times and really only ever pushed her.

NKA are a big thing I like too do, I think they're way underutilized here on TS and have multiple times lead me to find scum. SO based off the highlights from Falcon the POS is
Wilgy, Marmot, Alison, and Ted

Wilgy and Alison both got votes from Falcon and Alison was his major scum read.

Based off this alone Alison is looking like the best lynch followed by Wilgy.

@Alison whenever you have some free time to pop in, if you're town, please make sure to defend yourself and not just say "yeet esooa lol bye"

we have 1 misyeet left before MyLo/LyLo

even if you're town and even if you're right that eso is scum, we aren't gonna win the game if you simply say "i saw eso vent. kill me and then kill her next"

marmot hasn't done much this game, a bit of hunting sure but not alot. So he's a null for me.

He does keep calling me out a bit, which i'm not a fan of. However, the days of sig getting easily mislynched are gone (maybe) so could this be a potential scape goat or what?

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:20 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 26, 2020 9:50 pm i just had this dream where we were playing some dnd/roleplaying game. nanook was the host and there were 4 players. alison (i subbed in for her), macdougall, syn, and 1 more person i forgot. mac kept complaining that im euro and new and i got increasingly frustrated at him, and as soon as we had started i wrote "tutuu anxiously started tapping her foot, looking around her" and before i hit enter nanook said "inb4 tutuu names her character after herself, that would be silly :P" and my frustration grew tenfold so i didnt wanna post anymore. syn was the only one who was nice to me. but then i woke up and i got worried if we're still playing and i felt bad cuz i didnt wanna just ditch the group so i kept thinking if i should open discord and ask ppl but i ~think~ it was a dream right. i wonder what it means. if its a prophecy for this game somehow

Town. Syn is town from the dream. I'm pocketed.

Negative points here.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:16 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:13 am Falcon town
Syn mafia
Essoa town
Poison mafia
Tutu town
Mac town
Alison mafia

There you go these are my reads today

Nanook called me mafia. I wanna cry.

Not a fan of this gut wise.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 2:50 am Your entrance was kinda awkward and scummy so Mac had to bury you ASAP or it would be noticeable that he wasn't jumping on you, but he didn't want to commit fully to it so he put a scumread on nanook in the same post as an alternative target to attack. Since then, you've had some weird-ass interactions that look a lot like teammates distancing: #42, #68 for example. Your constant poking at me about Mac and about you + Mac as a team tend to affirm my view on that front as well.

Hmm... Null Alison.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:04 am #70 is another post that looks W/W with Mac but I forgot to add it into my post. I'm trying not to bias too much since I assume Esooa is going to tend to gravitate towards the players that she knows best regardless, but I do think that when all is said and done they look like they're wolves together. I expect town Mac to bury Esooa way harder and more decisively with an opening like that (both from her and from him), and I think he might be hesitating because she's actually his teammate.

linki: Yes, I think if Mac is your partner he always distances from you there. He knows me well enough to know I'll scumread you, and Falcon (who's a bit of an attack dog that doesn't let go once he sinks his teeth in) has already expressed displeasure with your entrance. He doesn't really have a choice there, all he can do is soften the blow by adding nanook as an alternative scumread and not going after you as hard.

Town Alison (?)

This progression is a bit weird could be W/W


Looked at Wilgy not a lot, he does come in with a very different swing on Alison reading her as mafia and he keeps that up could be distancing doesn't seem to have almost any interaction with Marmot which is meh. Wilgy entire read for me is based around Alison/Marmot flip right now I'd say.

His docter claim is meh so I'm ignoring that for the time.

Annnnd Alison has too many posts for me to read right now, but she's probably my highest suspect right now.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:35 pm marmot hasn't done much this game, a bit of hunting sure but not alot. So he's a null for me.

He does keep calling me out a bit, which i'm not a fan of. However, the days of sig getting easily mislynched are gone (maybe) so could this be a potential scape goat or what?

I couldn't resist pointing you to something someone said in a different game just now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:07 pm I couldn't resist pointing you to something someone said in a different game just now. Link

I'm quite unsure if this would be against typical rules or not, but please keep topics as removed from other on-going games as possible even if you aren't really discussing those other games. Though if that other game had already ended, then this would be perfectly acceptable/fine.

Out of caution I am editing the link out.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:17 pm I also don't see why she just willingly accepted LC wasn't the doctor with tuutuu, like the whiplash in her esooa read was extreme.

Because I had mech info. Reads don't matter when you have mech info on the table. tutuu's CC made it clear that there was a liar in either Esooa or LC, and LC made sense as the liar based on the way he outed his claim. Again, it doesn't matter how scummy Esooa is if she can prove she's the doctor.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:30 pm Gonna say, I'm pretty sure it's not Marmot.

I think I'd be dead if he was.

Why?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:33 pm Or at the very least, I don't expect scum to respond to my claim openly lol.

Linki: yee

If I saw a claim like that from someone I didn't know I'd be liable to think it was cover, since it was your first post. The further questioning of your claim is pretty compatible with someone trying to fish for your role to see if the claim was a joke or not.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 12:49 pm Doctors yes.

But if the goal was to dodge a doc, why weren't either you or Alison night yeeted to push the other over the edge? I think Alison is scum, but they couldn't afford to yeet you.

Alison, you and Sig being alive at the same time rn really does point to Alison.

What the fuck does this mean

Esooa and tutuu were protecting each other. Obviously I wouldn't be nightkilled because I'm in the POE. Falcon wasn't protected and was consensus town.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:17 pm Parting thoughts. I don't think Wilgy's claim looks great. He did hint (explicitly) that he was a doctor when he entered the game, though that is a standard Wilgy entrance so it was an easy one.

Marmot knows that Wilgy always enters the game claiming to be a doctor as a running joke, but asks whether or not it was a real claim afterwards, when they should have known it was just the standard Wilgy opener and NAI. I think he was rolefishing.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 10:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:35 pm marmot hasn't done much this game, a bit of hunting sure but not alot. So he's a null for me.

He does keep calling me out a bit, which i'm not a fan of. However, the days of sig getting easily mislynched are gone (maybe) so could this be a potential scape goat or what?

I couldn't resist pointing you to something someone said in a different game just now.

Omfg i found it. I legit started laughing perfect timing.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:17 pm Parting thoughts. I don't think Wilgy's claim looks great. He did hint (explicitly) that he was a doctor when he entered the game, though that is a standard Wilgy entrance so it was an easy one.

Marmot knows that Wilgy always enters the game claiming to be a doctor as a running joke, but asks whether or not it was a real claim afterwards, when they should have known it was just the standard Wilgy opener and NAI. I think he was rolefishing.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

But. He's since seriously claimed?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:19 pm The first character in each sentence in my original quote in this blurb. Did you not see that and then randomly commented about my intro after? I M D O C Y - I'm Doc.

Yes I'm a doctor.

Why didn't you speak out while LC was being run up? FYPOV there would be 3 doc claims and 2 of them are fake, no?

Well, I'll just [VOTE: Esooa] aubergine then, since it makes no sense for scum tutuu or scum Wilgy to claim the way they did.

Esooa probably has the most compatibility with ted but I'll figure that out after I resolve the doctors.

And if he was role fishing that means he knows a cop isn't real so we're still in same issue

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:52 pm the yeet should obv be in the doc claims fwiw

i expect the thread to go like this:

Spoiler: show

alison is gonna push esooa again and it will probably end up in a thunderdome for the entire day

You're right! Esooa's doc claim is the only one that makes sense for scum to do. From the POV of tutuu scum, she'd believe that LC and Esooa are the real doctors, so CC-ing there is suicide. Wilgy has no reason to claim doctor when the exe was leaning towards Marmot and myself anyway, and has been generally townie on play. The breadcrumb he left is something that I don't think scum Wilgy does, too.

That leaves Esooa as the liar.

Why are you voting me if you think the exe should be in the doc claims?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:17 pm Parting thoughts. I don't think Wilgy's claim looks great. He did hint (explicitly) that he was a doctor when he entered the game, though that is a standard Wilgy entrance so it was an easy one.

Marmot knows that Wilgy always enters the game claiming to be a doctor as a running joke, but asks whether or not it was a real claim afterwards, when they should have known it was just the standard Wilgy opener and NAI. I think he was rolefishing.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

But. He's since seriously claimed?

Yes, he has. But I'm talking about Marmot's thought process when he asked if Wilgy was the doctor in #877. At that point in time, Wilgy had not yet hardclaimed. So what reason is there for Marmot to bring up Wilgy's post 1 as a potential doc claim, if he knows that Wilgy does this every game?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:20 pm is there a world where ted is town and he's unironically considering wilgy to be the towniest doc claim

I think Wilgy is a town doc claim. Me and ted aren't scum together. So at least 1 experienced townie considers Wilgy's claim to be legitimate. Does this change your view?

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:05 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:02 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:01 pm I'm not voting for wilgy, I do not care about what ever stupid claim this is

do u think im maf then?

I think I'm done with extremely fucking dumb claims like wiglys after LC's claim and other claims I've had to deal with and I'm just gonna not even care enough about it to re-evaluate anything and keep my vote where it was before

No fucking way Wilgy is pulling an LC after yesterday. You're trying to put the exe outside of the doc claims so you aren't at risk and can keep the claims unresolved. Even ted knows it's correct to exe in the doc claims and he's the one who's been pushing against me the hardest this game.

You think Wilgy breadcrumbed IAMDOC as vanilla town in his first post so he could falsely hardclaim doc later after seeing another VT get misexed for that shit? That line of logic isn't even real. Either you believe Wilgy is scum or you believe Wilgy is the doctor.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 9:29 pm @Alison whenever you have some free time to pop in, if you're town, please make sure to defend yourself and not just say "yeet esooa lol bye"

we have 1 misyeet left before MyLo/LyLo

even if you're town and even if you're right that eso is scum, we aren't gonna win the game if you simply say "i saw eso vent. kill me and then kill her next"

My case is simple.

We have three doc claims. One of them is a liar. The liar is scum. I don't think any VT would lie about being a doc after what happened with LC.

To find out who is the liar, we look at the timing of each person's claims, and figure out whether or not it makes sense to lie about being the doc if they're scum. Wilgy's claim looks good, because the thread was tilting towards Marmot and myself being exed at the point in time he made his claim. Additionally, he has a breadcrumb saying IAMDOC at the start of his game. Does scum Wilgy falsely breadcrumb so he can claim later on? Sure, that's a possibility, but on the balance of probabilities I think Wilgy is more likely to breadcrumb as real doc than as scum.

tutuu's doc claim also doesn't make sense. From the point of view of tutuu scum, at the time that LC and Esooa claimed doc, she would believe that both claims are true, and as such refrain from aggressively counterclaiming to bury LC, because she knows that she'll get exposed if LC flips doctor. There's no way that tutuu could have known LC was VT, because the role cop died Day 1. The conviction and general response surrounding her attack on LC looked pretty genuinely uninformed as well - she was legitimately shocked/annoyed/angry when LC flipped VT.

That leaves Esooa. Her claim is the most unsupported - she claimed doctor to save herself. No breadcrumbs or anything else that would indicate she's a doctor. She was the first to claim, so she doesn't put herself in conflict with other claims and force a thunderdome in the way that Wilgy's claim did. From the point of view of the claim that's most convenient for scum to make, Esooa's is it.

Also the fact that Esooa keeps trying to push the narrative that Wilgy's claim might be coming from VT and Esooa/tutuu are both real is suspicious. I don't think it makes any sense at all to believe Wilgy is a VT, because of the logic outlined above. It benefits the scum hiding in the doctor claims to push the narrative that Wilgy is a VT because it delays resolution of the doctors and stops town from exeing in the doc claims, which is the correct move.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:06 pm

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:02 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:17 pm Parting thoughts. I don't think Wilgy's claim looks great. He did hint (explicitly) that he was a doctor when he entered the game, though that is a standard Wilgy entrance so it was an easy one.

Marmot knows that Wilgy always enters the game claiming to be a doctor as a running joke, but asks whether or not it was a real claim afterwards, when they should have known it was just the standard Wilgy opener and NAI. I think he was rolefishing.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

But. He's since seriously claimed?

Yes, he has. But I'm talking about Marmot's thought process when he asked if Wilgy was the doctor in #877. At that point in time, Wilgy had not yet hardclaimed. So what reason is there for Marmot to bring up Wilgy's post 1 as a potential doc claim, if he knows that Wilgy does this every game?

That was sarcasm. I didn't think DrWilgy was a doctor there, I read his post as "I don't know what's going on", and, not wanting there to be another doctor claim to deal with, jokingly told him not to confirm his first post.

ok

u can type a lot of u want (I didn't read it) but I'm not really gonna bother to respond until the votes move cause this is anything