The Syndicate

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:54 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:52 pm safest shot is quin, just cleans up yesterday's wagons and gives us a better idea of the movement

I disagree. I voted for Quin. Why would they give me a shot, when the most likely person I would shoot is them? I think I got to go for one of the more mid suspicious people

I mean, that's wifom
if you were the vigi, don't you agree a quin shot would be helpful? The only thing that changes it is the wolves gave you the gun. Maybe they wanted you to shoot quin/me, maybe not, still wifom

I still feel like it's too early to kill from the falcon wagon so even if nanook is openwolfing we can probably worry about that later
I think it's important to reiterate that I'm pretty much clear here because I hate bussing and bussing falcon in the way I did would have been exceptionally stupid. It's important to have the clears you can trust in vanilla so I'm one

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:53 pm @Seanzie i love it. If I die in this game today, I will still be happy because this game gave me glow text lol If I could write all my posts in glow, I would.

Unfortunately you probably are going to die tonight since you are essentially an IC now.

Re: looking at your reads list from yesterday, I'd guess the biggest factor in you getting the gun was the fact that you were pretty widely townread, with reads being secondary. That being said, I am going to say that Quin/ts account are probably not teamed off your reads list.

@ts account no one is cleared in my books because they say they wouldn’t do something. I get that other people have said it’s unlikely too, but you aren’t confirmed by all means.
And you can say “we can worry about this later.” But I might not have that option.
Part of me thinks I should shoot Quin as that is the biggest suspect, but the other part of me thinks I should shoot someone else while you all lynch Quin today anyway. I could get a mafia or worst case scenario clear someone not with some suspicion. Thinking nanook? Dunno

Oh I wrote some of that weird. Well hope you all get the gist. I’m multitasking

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:08 pm @ts account no one is cleared in my books because they say they wouldn’t do something. I get that other people have said it’s unlikely too, but you aren’t confirmed by all means.
And you can say “we can worry about this later.” But I might not have that option.
Part of me thinks I should shoot Quin as that is the biggest suspect, but the other part of me thinks I should shoot someone else while you all lynch Quin today anyway. I could get a mafia or worst case scenario clear someone not with some suspicion. Thinking nanook? Dunno

I get that you're suspicious but in mountainous there's no good ways to hard clear people and this is about the best you're gonna get besides your own clear

I don’t want the shot to monopolise the thread. You guys still have a lynch. So it might be better sooner, rather then later. But I was hoping to get a few more opinions first.

I'm not gonna be the one to carry discussion, someone else has to step up

fingersplints i lov e your for saying "beesperado"

i love you&

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:34 pm fingersplints i lov e your for saying "beesperado"

looks like I found Happy

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:10 pm I don’t want the shot to monopolise the thread. You guys still have a lynch. So it might be better sooner, rather then later. But I was hoping to get a few more opinions first.

You should definitely shoot someone in many people's PoE rather than hero shoot to reduce potential worlds. You could also use the shot to push for reads and thoughts. More specifically, I'm not saying that you should threaten to shoot people if they don't talk, but instead you could make people vote for who they think you should shoot, and possibly ask for explanations, and use this to guide your shot.

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:35 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:34 pm fingersplints i lov e your for saying "beesperado"

looks like I found Happy

i don't know what that means but i'm calling the town guard

it seems like we could also just use the vig shot as a sort of co-yeet unless there's a timelimit on it

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:41 pm it seems like we could also just use the vig shot as a sort of co-yeet unless there's a timelimit on it

I don't like co-yeet since it doesn't allow time to adjust from the new information from the flip. It is better to have adequate time between the shot and EoD so that we can react to the shot today.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:34 pm fingersplints i lov e your for saying "beesperado"

I wish I could take credit for it, but it’s not I you love our hosts are clever little bee keepers

Brutallllll. At least we get a shot. I think it might be best to hold onto the shot tbh

For a little bit at least. That way you can leverage the shot a little bit like what seanzie said, it can be used as a tool to really open up the game for us.

Is there a way I can view the wagons from EoD2?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:07 pm Is there a way I can view the wagons from EoD2?

On the first page at the bottom of the very first post, Sloonei has posted links to screenshots of the EoD polls.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:07 pm like imo he was obviously towny and it makes literally no sense to vote him there

Meh

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:12 pm I don’t think ratrug was “so obviously townie” but at the same time I do think it’s suspicious how many votes they got and last minute too. I wouldn’t be surprised if mafia voted there, but to go for someone “so obviously townie” as you say, there would have had to been a reason. Who were the others in danger? Was it quin and Seanzie? Was the ratrug push a save

He was tied with quin

Seanzie was not realistic

Gloanced over Long's ISO. No solid reads in there from him. The most common theme is Alison pocket, and voting for Seanzie. I want to say the whole pocket thing was light banter. Long Con didn't have a lot of material, I'm not convinced the votes of Seanzie mean much. I'm going to take another looks at c4's ISO and see if there are any similar themes between the two.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:46 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:02 pm nanook can die for his vote there too

I think minimally @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME should explain what he saw at the last minute that caused him to flip from "Ratrug is towny" to "Ratrug is where my vote should go".

D1 vote count and continued reluctance to not townread quin

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:09 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:07 pm Is there a way I can view the wagons from EoD2?

On the first page at the bottom of the very first post, Sloonei has posted links to screenshots of the EoD polls.

Thanks

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:12 pm I don’t think ratrug was “so obviously townie” but at the same time I do think it’s suspicious how many votes they got and last minute too. I wouldn’t be surprised if mafia voted there, but to go for someone “so obviously townie” as you say, there would have had to been a reason. Who were the others in danger? Was it quin and Seanzie? Was the ratrug push a save

I don't really care about the reasons it's just an open wolfing read to vote him there as Martin imo

all the mafia is in (Martin, Alison, Quin, Nanook)

these 4 need to figure themselves out

how many kills do we have? we had 1 miss, we get uh, 4 misses? and we have a shot, right? so 5? so can we just kill the entire PoE? yeah we can

lol easy

Just looking over c4's ISO again, c4 and LC voted for different players had different reads.

C4 also had a towncore going too. C4's towncore included: Alison, FS, Martin, Esooa. I'm thinking there might be at least 1 mafia in there. My GTH thought would be Essoa.

If you want to shoot me that's fine, just give me a couple hours to leave a legacy

I pretty strongly believe the shot should be someone in the poe to try and clear it quicker

Quin doing literally nothing for the entirety of day 2 is deserving of death, that's just my opinion on it. They didn't even try to figure this stuff out. Martin's vote was really bad but I believe the thing Nanook said so we probably go Martin only if Alison is wolf? Though I want her to refresh her read on him

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm all the mafia is in (Martin, Alison, Quin, Nanook)

these 4 need to figure themselves out

Why are you clearing kyle

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm all the mafia is in (Martin, Alison, Quin, Nanook)

these 4 need to figure themselves out

Why are you clearing kyle

I think he's town

Alison not ending on Falcon day 1 is still just so bad tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm all the mafia is in (Martin, Alison, Quin, Nanook)

these 4 need to figure themselves out

Why are you clearing kyle

I think he's town

Thats entirely unhelpful

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:20 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:18 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:15 pm all the mafia is in (Martin, Alison, Quin, Nanook)

these 4 need to figure themselves out

Why are you clearing kyle

I think he's town

Thats entirely unhelpful

I don't believe in talking about reads or smth

Yeah fair its just not helpful for me

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:19 pm Alison not ending on Falcon day 1 is still just so bad tbh

This might not be the most orthodox, but Alison is the most read town player. You'd think mafia would of killed her by now, unless...

(Martin, Alison, Quin, Nanook)

Can we get any not w/w reads between these 4?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:17 pm If you want to shoot me that's fine, just give me a couple hours to leave a legacy

I pretty strongly believe the shot should be someone in the poe to try and clear it quicker

why would you need a couple hours? If you were town and shot, you would survive.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:51 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:17 pm If you want to shoot me that's fine, just give me a couple hours to leave a legacy

I pretty strongly believe the shot should be someone in the poe to try and clear it quicker

why would you need a couple hours? If you were town and shot, you would survive.

I'mma let Nook chime in first, but I have something to say here.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 11:51 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 9:17 pm If you want to shoot me that's fine, just give me a couple hours to leave a legacy

I pretty strongly believe the shot should be someone in the poe to try and clear it quicker

why would you need a couple hours? If you were town and shot, you would survive.

I would??

In (not quite) unrelated news, one possible way we could handle the shot (if @fingersplints is down), would to be set up an artificial "End of the (half) day" at 6pm Eastern on 3/23 (so exactly halfway through D3), and ask people to cast votes in the poll for who they think should be vigged.

Fingersplints, you wouldn't be beholden to follow the poll results after that clearly (even though if we go with this plan, I do suggest you shoot someone with some consensus), but I think it would give you a good sense as to what the group wants, and pressuring people to vote, and seeing how people vote will help develop reads. The Eo(half)D would also be early enough that the whole thread can react to the new information from the flip.

Thoughts?

I thought sloon changed it i guess not

Well I'm less ok with being shot now but i don't mind being confirmed so

I guess make sure you get your legacy out before you shoot

I mean the shot should basically always be in quin/kyle/sean/Alison


I guess me if you're paranoid

But yeah

Actually shooting Alison is probably the best play

Either it hits mafia or it confirms her and pseudo confirms martin which is two clears for the price of one

Yeah I'd probably shoot her atp

oh... so if fingersplints beeshoots at a townie she dies instead

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:34 pm So I’m thinking if the mafia chose me that means I’m likely wrong about a couple things lol not to figure out what.

I suspect mafia chose you because you're the most obvious town. There's too much WIFOM to just choose the person with the worse reads, plus they'll likely out and ask the town to vote on their shot choice anyway.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:12 pm I don’t think ratrug was “so obviously townie” but at the same time I do think it’s suspicious how many votes they got and last minute too. I wouldn’t be surprised if mafia voted there, but to go for someone “so obviously townie” as you say, there would have had to been a reason. Who were the others in danger? Was it quin and Seanzie? Was the ratrug push a save

It was probably a save. I was Ratrug's biggest attacker D1 and I was off Ratrug by the time the EOD wagon happened. I'd say Quin is the most likely save target.

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:52 pm safest shot is quin, just cleans up yesterday's wagons and gives us a better idea of the movement

correct

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:54 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:52 pm safest shot is quin, just cleans up yesterday's wagons and gives us a better idea of the movement

I disagree. I voted for Quin. Why would they give me a shot, when the most likely person I would shoot is them? I think I got to go for one of the more mid suspicious people

WIFOM is a thing, and also I have made it clear that I think it's probably optimal for the gun holder to out and let the town weigh in on who to shoot. That means your individual reads didn't matter as much as the fact that you're consensus townread.