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Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:25 pm
by Don Wurzeloni
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:20 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:17 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:28 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 4:25 pm Evening All!

I had a very nice day with my grandmother but feel I am slightly paying for it now.

Wow, this game is intense! I think a typical CFC game would only have about half as many posts by now. I do feel a lot more confident that we are going to win vs a CFC game though. CFC are generally bad at towning.

I did manage to read a bit when I' wasn't driving but I am still on page 14.

I'll post my thoughts when I've caught up.
GTH this isn't town
Don't you visit relatives sometimes? She is 99 and I hadn't seen her in 7 months. She lives 2.5 hours away.
all my relatives are dead or too far away.
It wasn't anything to do with the relatives though, it was the CFC comment.
Sorry to hear that. Looking back at Wheel of Fortune there were 1201 posts in the entire game (although we only started with 9 players)

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:37 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Duskfall wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 pm My role is a one shot day cop I targeted hk and it said he was town, I asked and was told I'd be informed if he was 3p so
Let's flip Nanook to confirm?
I'm also a death miller

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:41 pm
by hollowkatt
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:37 pm
Duskfall wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 pm My role is a one shot day cop I targeted hk and it said he was town, I asked and was told I'd be informed if he was 3p so
Let's flip Nanook to confirm?
I'm also a death miller
oh I should have claimed that instead

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:48 pm
by Don Wurzeloni
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:37 pm
Duskfall wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 pm My role is a one shot day cop I targeted hk and it said he was town, I asked and was told I'd be informed if he was 3p so
Let's flip Nanook to confirm?
I'm also a death miller
See Syn post 1: This game is not bastard. There are no elements that lie to the players. There is no godfather, miller, insanifying, or alignment shifting.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:58 pm
by Duskfall
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:37 pm
Duskfall wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 pm My role is a one shot day cop I targeted hk and it said he was town, I asked and was told I'd be informed if he was 3p so
Let's flip Nanook to confirm?
I'm also a death miller
See Syn post 1: This game is not bastard. There are no elements that lie to the players. There is no godfather, miller, insanifying, or alignment shifting.
I cant tell if he's serious or not

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:48 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:37 pm
Duskfall wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:15 pm My role is a one shot day cop I targeted hk and it said he was town, I asked and was told I'd be informed if he was 3p so
Let's flip Nanook to confirm?
I'm also a death miller
See Syn post 1: This game is not bastard. There are no elements that lie to the players. There is no godfather, miller, insanifying, or alignment shifting.
Idk what to tell you man its just what my rolecard says

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm
by Don Wurzeloni
So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:04 pm
by Long Con
How was Gavial anti-town? He was right that HK isn't town.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:05 pm
by Long Con
And I'm preeeeeeeeeetty sure Nanook was joking.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:06 pm
by falcon45ca
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read
I didn't PR claim, what are you talking about?



VT = Vanilla Town

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:08 pm
by falcon45ca
Long Con wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:04 pm How was Gavial anti-town? He was right that HK isn't town.
Well he claimed a PR under no pressure, and then lied about the reasons



Yeah, Gav wasn't towny. The slot may be town, but his play wasn't towny

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:10 pm
by Don Wurzeloni
Long Con wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:04 pm How was Gavial anti-town? He was right that HK isn't town.
- Outing yourself as a PR early on is anti-town
- Completely derailing the thread is anti-town
- Being so toxic that strong town players threaten to quit the game is anti-town
- Pushing other people into claiming this early on is anti-town (I'd have to go back and check but I think Falcon claimed because of Gavial)

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:14 pm
by Don Wurzeloni
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:06 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read
I didn't PR claim, what are you talking about?



VT = Vanilla Town
How do you ISO on this forum? I must be getting muddled up somewhere

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:21 pm
by falcon45ca
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:06 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read
I didn't PR claim, what are you talking about?



VT = Vanilla Town
How do you ISO on this forum? I must be getting muddled up somewhere
1st page

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:55 pm
by Don Wurzeloni
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:21 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:14 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:06 pm
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:00 pm So here are my initial thoughts and reads:

Finding the vibe here very different to MU. If MU is like afternoon tea at Claridge’s, this place is like a pool bar coming up to closing time

WIML – Feels pretty towny as usual (although he is generally towny). Likely to resolve later on
Esooa slot – Lean town. Esooa gets more wound up when she is town
Alison – getting good vibes so far (although I haven’t seen her wolf yet)

HK – 3p as claimed

Ender – several of his posts have pinged me but I am not quite sure enough to scum read yet

Falcon – early town PR claiming is anti-town
Gavial slot – his behaviour was massively anti-town
Nanook – His claimed PR sounds incredibly suss to me (do day cops even exist?) Feels like a good way to get a cheap town read
I didn't PR claim, what are you talking about?



VT = Vanilla Town
How do you ISO on this forum? I must be getting muddled up somewhere
1st page
Thank you. I misremembered then or got you confused with someone else. Having read your ISO I would put you as slight town lean. I like the helpfulness and feel you have a similar posting style to me actually.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:55 pm
by Don Wurzeloni
As it's gone quiet, I will head to bed. Will try to be a bit more active tomorrow.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:22 pm
by sig
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:10 pm
Long Con wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:04 pm How was Gavial anti-town? He was right that HK isn't town.
- Outing yourself as a PR early on is anti-town
- Completely derailing the thread is anti-town
- Being so toxic that strong town players threaten to quit the game is anti-town
- Pushing other people into claiming this early on is anti-town (I'd have to go back and check but I think Falcon claimed because of Gavial)
Where are they from?

Sounds more culture clashish

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:22 pm
by sig
I don't believe Nanook claim at all

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:23 pm
by Creature
sig wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:22 pm I don't believe Nanook claim at all
What was NANOOK even claiming? Ascetic miller?

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:23 pm
by sig
Creature wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:23 pm
sig wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:22 pm I don't believe Nanook claim at all
What was NANOOK even claiming? Ascetic miller?
1 shot day zero cop?

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:24 pm
by sig
Maybe idk I'm not reading the thread that closely. Just let me fuck around until like we're at Lynch or Loose and I'll be serious.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:31 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
sig wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:23 pm
Creature wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:23 pm
sig wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:22 pm I don't believe Nanook claim at all
What was NANOOK even claiming? Ascetic miller?
1 shot day zero cop?
One shot day cop death miller

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:00 pm
by Long Con
I am also a one-shot day cop death miller. I checked Nanook and he's a big phony.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:01 pm
by Alison
I'm a two shot day-cop-death-miller confirmer, I can check someone and confirm if they are a day cop death miller. I checked both nanook and LC, and they're both lying.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:04 pm
by KZA
alright that's enough

we turbo the next person to make up some nonsense role

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:04 pm
by KZA
I'm KZA

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:05 pm
by KZA
KZA wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:04 pm alright that's enough

we turbo the next person to make up some nonsense role
KZA wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:04 pmI'm KZA
cya bud

[VOTE: KZA] aubergine

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:06 pm
by Long Con
:| You are an only child, aren't you KZA?

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:08 pm
by Alison
Thought experiment: let us say someone uses a dayvig on Hollowkatt. Who would you vote if he flips:

a) 3P?

b) Mafia?

I would probably vote either nanook or Wurzel if he flips 3P and Creature if he flips mafia.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:11 pm
by Long Con
Lemme go look at some post-reveal reactions.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:27 pm
by hollowkatt
Long Con wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:06 pm :| You are an only child, aren't you KZA?
best post of the game

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:33 pm
by Long Con
Gavial looks town.
Creature's reaction could be wolfy. He leans into complaining about the existence of a Survivor role, but he's also pushing for HK's chop in a vague way. He's quick to defend Gavial as town when falcon swoops in.
Falcon immediately went for Gavial's throat, and his reasoning would be good if it weren't Gavial posting it. Townlean for that.
Wiml doesn't engage with the claim at all, and gives Gavial a townread for Duskfall, then says he's ignoring him. Not sure what that means. Light scumlean.
Duskfall keeps hunting, I like the look.

Oh yeah, I just started judging them, and I forgot your exact question. I agree that Creature could be mafia if HK is mafia.

Not seeing the Nanook angle.

Wurzel's reaction was strange and seemed to indicate he thinks HK is actually town. Maybe you are just saying that based on your earlier suspicion?

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:37 pm
by Creature
Pretty sure I stopped pushing HK as soon she claimed survivor.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 pm
by Long Con
I thought this post was subtly pushing for HK's chop while keeping it theoretical. Talking about wolves pretending to be survivors, and accepting the probability of his chop.
Creature wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:33 pm
Gavial wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:28 pm Your fuckin survivor wtf?!?
Why not claim it SoD?
I'd also usually stay silent about it because survivors can easily be an extra mafia member if given a chance besides the chance it might be just a wolf ptmretending to be survivor. I find it a terrible role and I dunno why would it be added, it's probably going to be unfair for HK now.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:44 pm
by Alison
Long Con wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:33 pm Gavial looks town.
Creature's reaction could be wolfy. He leans into complaining about the existence of a Survivor role, but he's also pushing for HK's chop in a vague way. He's quick to defend Gavial as town when falcon swoops in.
Falcon immediately went for Gavial's throat, and his reasoning would be good if it weren't Gavial posting it. Townlean for that.
Wiml doesn't engage with the claim at all, and gives Gavial a townread for Duskfall, then says he's ignoring him. Not sure what that means. Light scumlean.
Duskfall keeps hunting, I like the look.

Oh yeah, I just started judging them, and I forgot your exact question. I agree that Creature could be mafia if HK is mafia.

Not seeing the Nanook angle.

Wurzel's reaction was strange and seemed to indicate he thinks HK is actually town. Maybe you are just saying that based on your earlier suspicion?
I think Creature's attempt to convince us HK is survivor and not to exe survivors is extremely fishy if HK flips mafia.

I've explained the nook thing earlier. Wurzel just has not made good posts.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 pm
by hollowkatt
Image

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:07 pm
by Timsup2nothin
Don Wurzeloni wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:10 pm
Long Con wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:04 pm How was Gavial anti-town? He was right that HK isn't town.
- Outing yourself as a PR early on is anti-town
- Completely derailing the thread is anti-town
- Being so toxic that strong town players threaten to quit the game is anti-town
- Pushing other people into claiming this early on is anti-town (I'd have to go back and check but I think Falcon claimed because of Gavial)
And yet all NAI for Gavial. Not saying his slot is town, just pointing out that there is nothing there to read the slot on. O didn't even read it and I see nothing surprising there.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:09 pm
by Timsup2nothin
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:31 pm
sig wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:23 pm
Creature wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:23 pm
sig wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:22 pm I don't believe Nanook claim at all
What was NANOOK even claiming? Ascetic miller?
1 shot day zero cop?
One shot day cop death miller
You want fries with that?

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:09 pm
by Timsup2nothin
KZA wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:04 pmI'm KZA
I counterclaim.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:11 pm
by Herm
[VOTE: UNVOTE] aubergine

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:11 pm
by Long Con
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:23 am my case on nanook is that he said "we're probably gonna lose" which I think he's more likely to do as mafia than as town and then he made a naked vote on LHF
Maybe.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:13 pm
by EnderWiggin
Well looks like things happened when I was asleep and out. Let me see.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:13 pm
by Long Con
Alison wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:44 pm
Long Con wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:33 pm Gavial looks town.
Creature's reaction could be wolfy. He leans into complaining about the existence of a Survivor role, but he's also pushing for HK's chop in a vague way. He's quick to defend Gavial as town when falcon swoops in.
Falcon immediately went for Gavial's throat, and his reasoning would be good if it weren't Gavial posting it. Townlean for that.
Wiml doesn't engage with the claim at all, and gives Gavial a townread for Duskfall, then says he's ignoring him. Not sure what that means. Light scumlean.
Duskfall keeps hunting, I like the look.

Oh yeah, I just started judging them, and I forgot your exact question. I agree that Creature could be mafia if HK is mafia.

Not seeing the Nanook angle.

Wurzel's reaction was strange and seemed to indicate he thinks HK is actually town. Maybe you are just saying that based on your earlier suspicion?
I think Creature's attempt to convince us HK is survivor and not to exe survivors is extremely fishy if HK flips mafia.

I've explained the nook thing earlier. Wurzel just has not made good posts.
Are you familiar with Wurzel? Someone... Herm?... defended it as NAI copypasta, what do you think of that?

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:13 pm
by Timsup2nothin
Well this was an interesting page. Maybe I'll read another page later.

I might even start doing a catch up read if I come back and there's less than a hundred new posts.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:14 pm
by EnderWiggin
Wiml wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:01 am Feels like Long Con had just consigned himself to just getting elimned at some point during the game and I want to call that towny.

Going to read the meta they linked when I get chance.
LC/Wiml team?

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:14 pm
by Herm
I seem to have missed some stuff.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:15 pm
by EnderWiggin
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:13 am
Herm wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:08 am I'm open to the idea of HK and Falcon being scumbuddies tbh.

First time playing with them though.
Herm wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:26 am Squeezing the afk players for now until HK and Falcon reappears!!!
Herm wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:29 am I was going to vote Falcon, but changed my mind in the middle of posting.

I would like to see more game thoughts from him before I decide if I want to vote him or not.
Herm wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:50 am
Wiml wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:29 am
Herm wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:29 am I was going to vote Falcon, but changed my mind in the middle of posting.

I would like to see more game thoughts from him before I decide if I want to vote him or not.
Can you explain what made you scumread falcon please?
Unvoted and didn't move it anywhere after being pressured.

It's a very soft scumread. I waffle back and forth on him since he claimed out of nowhere.

Attributing the HK/Falcon pairing that other players have seen to my suspool.
Herm wrote: Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:24 am
Glavial wrote:Ok good chance glavial is incorrect townie I think
Glav buddy, from a scale of 1 to 100, how certain are you that HK and Falcon are scumbuddies lol?
Whole lot of pageantry here w/o anything real happening no genuine pressure.


My fav post is the "adding HK/Falc that others have paired into suspool"...the other player is only Gav. There's something Trump-esque about his posts, or am I the only one seeing that?
Hey look, I like this post.

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:16 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Reasonably sure creature is clear

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:19 pm
by hollowkatt
Image

Re: Bird Mafia [Day 1]

Posted: Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:20 pm
by EnderWiggin
Honestly I missed like, the biggest cup of drama.