Re: Reanimators [DAY 4]
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:20 pm
Also, did you breadcrumb your role at all?
Do you get to choose specifically who you revive, or is it just like "revive a town"?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:03 pmWell Mac was very much not revived by Town which makes it hard to believe he is Town.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 12:50 pmIf you believe the 3p is someone who flips town and then revives to mafia, why would that mean it is Mac, rather than Flanders or Rondo?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:55 am But the Mafia don't appear to be working together at all since no players have really any connections. Which leads me to think my original theory of the indy being Town who self revives as Mafia being true.
In which case it would mean Mac is Mafia with Seanzie and probably Cobalt.
And that I think is my only real plausible read. Otherwise this game is weird and I clearly do not understand the setup.
I suppose I don't really need to hide my role anymore, but I'm the one reviving Town and I'm out of revives so that's the end of that.
Furthermore my role being Civ Reanimator implies that there is probably a Mafia or Indy Reanimator which seeing Mac was revived yeah that is probably the case. The way people have been talking also seems like there is only the 2 reanimators in the game and no more which one being scum and one being town makes sense.
It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.
I'm past the point of caring if I die or not, I just want it to be clear when I die and flip Town that the other reanimator is scum and that both Mac and Rondo are not to be trusted since they were revived by scum who probably changed their alignments.
So on night two you chose to revive me specifically, or just "town"?
So you didn't consider reviving one of the most respected players on this community that was killed N1? Like no offense to Flanders and Falcon, but this is a very weird choice to make. Plus, Mac wasn't like the most active D1, but he was contributing. Only after his revival has he not really participated much.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:46 pm Well really I just wanted to get the revives off to guarentee value. I decided between you and Falcon to choose you. Mac hadn't really participated until then so he wasn't considered.
So I was right that you were the scum Reanimator who ressurected Mac.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:56 pmSo you didn't consider reviving one of the most respected players on this community that was killed N1? Like no offense to Flanders and Falcon, but this is a very weird choice to make. Plus, Mac wasn't like the most active D1, but he was contributing. Only after his revival has he not really participated much.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:46 pm Well really I just wanted to get the revives off to guarentee value. I decided between you and Falcon to choose you. Mac hadn't really participated until then so he wasn't considered.
I kinda screwed heavily with my sleep, and last day phase ended 24 hours earlier than I expected it to.
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:16 pm Im honestly fine with both of these lynchs. They both are decently likely to be scum though I think Rondo has really fallen off ik the last day. So I think rondo edges out Marmot for scummy.
okay that does explain things a bitLinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:03 pm It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.
I breifly wondered if I missed in my rolecard a wincon or something since one was never given, but I assume Civ means Town and if I were Indy I would have been given a goal of any kind.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:38 pmokay that does explain things a bitLinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:03 pm It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.
but if there is a 3p reanimator I suspect you're not removed from that possibility
No wincon eh..LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:40 pmI breifly wondered if I missed in my rolecard a wincon or something since one was never given, but I assume Civ means Town and if I were Indy I would have been given a goal of any kind.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:38 pmokay that does explain things a bitLinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:03 pm It's also hard to believe there is a second Civ reanimator considering the role gets a 1-shot pseudoBP., night kills are redirected to a player you revived instead. Obviously that's what happened to Doom N2.
but if there is a 3p reanimator I suspect you're not removed from that possibility
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Ooorrr....LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:17 pmSo I was right that you were the scum Reanimator who ressurected Mac.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:56 pmSo you didn't consider reviving one of the most respected players on this community that was killed N1? Like no offense to Flanders and Falcon, but this is a very weird choice to make. Plus, Mac wasn't like the most active D1, but he was contributing. Only after his revival has he not really participated much.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 2:46 pm Well really I just wanted to get the revives off to guarentee value. I decided between you and Falcon to choose you. Mac hadn't really participated until then so he wasn't considered.
Cool.
I didn't push you D3?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:39 pm Honestly I already suspected Seanzie was the one who attacked me night 2. They were suspiciously quick to start pushing me day 3.
That's because it was.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
I'd like to hear those questions then.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
watLinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:52 pmThat's because it was.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
How does Porscha being reanimator explain the DoOm kill? I assumed DoOm was killed to keep the collection of live players (the basket that contains two mafia and a 3p) as large as possible for as long as possible, granted that doesn't fit perfectly with the Porscha kill, but that could be explained if one/both of Flanders and Mac are evil, in particular Mac (as a Flanders kill would more-or-less put a huge spotlight on Mac)MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:45 pm I think the only way LP is mafia here is if:
Porscha was the Civ Reanimator
Otherwise I don't see how would they explain the Doom kill. Doom had just helped got Flanders ML'ed, and so there's not a whole lot of incentive to kill DOOM there especially when there could be much more concerning players who are scum. Such as rondo, who was confirmed to be town at one point, or myself.
I see the point about reviving Mac, but I think the mafia killings (and the fact that no one is CC'ing LinearPoint) speaks louder to me.
Step 1:Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:59 pmHow does Porscha being reanimator explain the DoOm kill? I assumed DoOm was killed to keep the collection of live players (the basket that contains two mafia and a 3p) as large as possible for as long as possible, granted that doesn't fit perfectly with the Porscha kill, but that could be explained if one/both of Flanders and Mac are evil, in particular Mac (as a Flanders kill would more-or-less put a huge spotlight on Mac)MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:45 pm I think the only way LP is mafia here is if:
Porscha was the Civ Reanimator
Otherwise I don't see how would they explain the Doom kill. Doom had just helped got Flanders ML'ed, and so there's not a whole lot of incentive to kill DOOM there especially when there could be much more concerning players who are scum. Such as rondo, who was confirmed to be town at one point, or myself.
I see the point about reviving Mac, but I think the mafia killings (and the fact that no one is CC'ing LinearPoint) speaks louder to me.
LP not being CC'd is giving me some pause, but Porscha or even possibly Rondo could have been reanimator (Rondo not CC'ing either because he hasn't been around or because his alignment changed), or people could be reanimated via some other method rather than from direct ability use, so idk how much stock to put into this. LP's play with regards to her claimed role though doesn't make sense to me.
I'm civilian, my wincon is eliminate all threats to town.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:52 pmI'd like to hear those questions then.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
And who supposedly would have been the reanimator which (apparently) is not CC'ing LP.
If LP were mafia here then I think its highly likely that the peseudoBP explanation they have is legitimately what happened when they tried attacking either a 3p reanimator or the civ reanimator (the latter being more likely imo). Especially when the DOOM kill still does not make much or any sense --- especially with players like Rondo being town.
I think these sorts of lines of inquiry might be against the rules, as specific details of a rolecard I think usually counts as angleshooting, and angleshooting is not allowed. I'm not modding this game, but I'd recommend not pursuing this (or possibly ask our host if this sort of thing is allowed before continuing) because minimally this is on the borderline of what it allowed, if not over it.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
Then LP shouldn't have brought a sketchy description of a likely bunk rolecard into play.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:04 pmI think these sorts of lines of inquiry might be against the rules, as specific details of a rolecard I think usually counts as angleshooting, and angleshooting is not allowed. I'm not modding this game, but I'd recommend not pursuing this (or possibly ask our host if this sort of thing is allowed before continuing) because minimally this is on the borderline of what it allowed, if not over it.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
That's only assuming that LP is telling the truth about the redirect thing, but that only happens in a world where Porscha isn't the reanimator. I find it kind of unlikely that someone who has the ability to more-or-less increase town's numbers by two, and give hard clears on those two, would also have built in protection (even though redirection/BG is less powerful than say BP vest). The whole thing reeks more like 3p tbh.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:02 pmStep 1:Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:59 pmHow does Porscha being reanimator explain the DoOm kill? I assumed DoOm was killed to keep the collection of live players (the basket that contains two mafia and a 3p) as large as possible for as long as possible, granted that doesn't fit perfectly with the Porscha kill, but that could be explained if one/both of Flanders and Mac are evil, in particular Mac (as a Flanders kill would more-or-less put a huge spotlight on Mac)MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:45 pm I think the only way LP is mafia here is if:
Porscha was the Civ Reanimator
Otherwise I don't see how would they explain the Doom kill. Doom had just helped got Flanders ML'ed, and so there's not a whole lot of incentive to kill DOOM there especially when there could be much more concerning players who are scum. Such as rondo, who was confirmed to be town at one point, or myself.
I see the point about reviving Mac, but I think the mafia killings (and the fact that no one is CC'ing LinearPoint) speaks louder to me.
LP not being CC'd is giving me some pause, but Porscha or even possibly Rondo could have been reanimator (Rondo not CC'ing either because he hasn't been around or because his alignment changed), or people could be reanimated via some other method rather than from direct ability use, so idk how much stock to put into this. LP's play with regards to her claimed role though doesn't make sense to me.
Attack Porscha, get redirected to DOOM
Step 2:
Attack Porscha again because they're obviously some sort of PR and could easily explain the DOOM kill
You doubt a scum reanimator would do what?LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:08 pm Well considering Doom was reanimated as Town I doubt a scum reanimator would do taht.
Yeah this a good point.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:09 pmThat's only assuming that LP is telling the truth about the redirect thing, but that only happens in a world where Porscha isn't the reanimator. I find it kind of unlikely that someone who has the ability to more-or-less increase town's numbers by two, and give hard clears on those two, would also have built in protection (even though redirection/BG is less powerful than say BP vest). The whole thing reeks more like 3p tbh.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:02 pmStep 1:Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:59 pmHow does Porscha being reanimator explain the DoOm kill? I assumed DoOm was killed to keep the collection of live players (the basket that contains two mafia and a 3p) as large as possible for as long as possible, granted that doesn't fit perfectly with the Porscha kill, but that could be explained if one/both of Flanders and Mac are evil, in particular Mac (as a Flanders kill would more-or-less put a huge spotlight on Mac)MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:45 pm I think the only way LP is mafia here is if:
Porscha was the Civ Reanimator
Otherwise I don't see how would they explain the Doom kill. Doom had just helped got Flanders ML'ed, and so there's not a whole lot of incentive to kill DOOM there especially when there could be much more concerning players who are scum. Such as rondo, who was confirmed to be town at one point, or myself.
I see the point about reviving Mac, but I think the mafia killings (and the fact that no one is CC'ing LinearPoint) speaks louder to me.
LP not being CC'd is giving me some pause, but Porscha or even possibly Rondo could have been reanimator (Rondo not CC'ing either because he hasn't been around or because his alignment changed), or people could be reanimated via some other method rather than from direct ability use, so idk how much stock to put into this. LP's play with regards to her claimed role though doesn't make sense to me.
Attack Porscha, get redirected to DOOM
Step 2:
Attack Porscha again because they're obviously some sort of PR and could easily explain the DOOM kill
Sure, and that's fair. I don't think you did anything wrong, just wanted to mention it before it became a huge topic of discussion in case I'm right and it is against the rules.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:07 pmThen LP shouldn't have brought a sketchy description of a likely bunk rolecard into play.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:04 pmI think these sorts of lines of inquiry might be against the rules, as specific details of a rolecard I think usually counts as angleshooting, and angleshooting is not allowed. I'm not modding this game, but I'd recommend not pursuing this (or possibly ask our host if this sort of thing is allowed before continuing) because minimally this is on the borderline of what it allowed, if not over it.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
I'm not asking, I'm saying WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THEIR ROLECARD IS SKETCH.
But if that crosses the line, I'll take the GK and feel shame.
I'm not sure they claimed to know it. They said it was obvious after having explained that they thought there was no 2nd reanimator and had a 1-shot pseudoBP vest.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:04 pmI'm civilian, my wincon is eliminate all threats to town.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:52 pmI'd like to hear those questions then.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
And who supposedly would have been the reanimator which (apparently) is not CC'ing LP.
If LP were mafia here then I think its highly likely that the peseudoBP explanation they have is legitimately what happened when they tried attacking either a 3p reanimator or the civ reanimator (the latter being more likely imo). Especially when the DOOM kill still does not make much or any sense --- especially with players like Rondo being town.
I find it extremely hard to believe a Town aligned power role would not be given a wincon in their dm.
I also find it hard to believe LP would know if they were shot at and the attempted hit was redirected.
The Mafia choice for MK on Doom is more likely to do with the thread state accepting her as town, and no conversation of potential alignment switching occurred until after the double rez of Mac and myself.
Imo it's more likely LP is mafia or 3p than town.
smh seanzie we're supposed to be scum hunting not good-for-nothing huntingSeanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:13 pmSure, and that's fair. I don't think you did anything wrong, just wanted to mention it before it became a huge topic of discussion in case I'm right and it is against the rules.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:07 pmThen LP shouldn't have brought a sketchy description of a likely bunk rolecard into play.Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:04 pmI think these sorts of lines of inquiry might be against the rules, as specific details of a rolecard I think usually counts as angleshooting, and angleshooting is not allowed. I'm not modding this game, but I'd recommend not pursuing this (or possibly ask our host if this sort of thing is allowed before continuing) because minimally this is on the borderline of what it allowed, if not over it.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
I'm not asking, I'm saying WHAT THEY SAID ABOUT THEIR ROLECARD IS SKETCH.
But if that crosses the line, I'll take the GK and feel shame.
So I've given this a bit a thought, not a tonne, but enough. Put myself in mafia shoes.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:14 pmI'm not sure they claimed to know it. They said it was obvious after having explained that they thought there was no 2nd reanimator and had a 1-shot pseudoBP vest.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:04 pmI'm civilian, my wincon is eliminate all threats to town.MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:52 pmI'd like to hear those questions then.Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 3:49 pm LPs description of their rolecard is questionable.
And who supposedly would have been the reanimator which (apparently) is not CC'ing LP.
If LP were mafia here then I think its highly likely that the peseudoBP explanation they have is legitimately what happened when they tried attacking either a 3p reanimator or the civ reanimator (the latter being more likely imo). Especially when the DOOM kill still does not make much or any sense --- especially with players like Rondo being town.
I find it extremely hard to believe a Town aligned power role would not be given a wincon in their dm.
I also find it hard to believe LP would know if they were shot at and the attempted hit was redirected.
The Mafia choice for MK on Doom is more likely to do with the thread state accepting her as town, and no conversation of potential alignment switching occurred until after the double rez of Mac and myself.
Imo it's more likely LP is mafia or 3p than town.
Personally, if I were them, I would've heavily suspected it because I don't think anyone kills DOOM there, and so in the case that LP is town then this conclusion is not odd at all.
As for the wincon thing.....now that you mention it, I guess you're right about that. I hadn't even realized TBH. Seems like suicide to not mention a wincon though....
I'm ok to vote Marty.LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:08 pm Like I said I don't real care if I die or not. Hopefully it's obvious that Seanzie and Martin are just scum. They are trying their hardest to reach for some stupid ass reason that I'm a 3rd Party jus tbecause they want to remove a reanimator from the game.
I assume they just don't believe I only have 2 revives. And like I said with me getting attacked N2, I'm pretty sure they are 3rd who think I'm night immune.
So I have two big problems with your claim:LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:32 pm Yeah I don't know. I'm just going to go play minecraft for a day. I'm just frustrated we've lynched 4 town with supposedly 4 Town revives and not a single scum kill.
lolRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:02 amMac, you were wrong on me being mafia I flipped town I dont think your reads are 100% this game.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:34 amMarmot is mafia and you are probably mafia for pretending it's not obviousStupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 1:28 am Ok. Fuck the kill.
Still two mafia and a 3p in the original group. My initial scum read on Marty probably worth exploring, but could go to Marmot because he keeps being the cc to lynched town.
Creature, cobalt and LP. Hm
you sound townieLinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:23 pm There is really no other way this game is solved and nobody cares.
Seanize is 100% the Indy Reanimating Cultist.
Mac and Rondo both were revived as Cultists.
Martin is basically announcing he is Mafia with this opportunistic half assed push.
Reviving Flanders was the biggest mistake of the game since he's done nothing but push Town since revival.
Creature and Cobalt are AFK with 1 of them guarenteed to be scum. Honestly if both are scum I'll have to reconsider the idea of just be afk all game to freelo victory.
how come they don't kill you last night thenStupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 4:24 pm I definitely kill the resurrected civilian N2 no matter how they approached the thread. Absolutely no way I allow someone who's essentially town cleared by EVERYONE, to see another day. Maf needs a wide open PoE, leaving a town cleared player alive is a terrible play.
its simple policyLinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Jul 07, 2022 5:23 pm Martin is basically announcing he is Mafia with this opportunistic half assed push.