The Syndicate

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:50 pm @Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:50 pm @Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

"A god read?"

Man. That's impressive. You'll have to show me how to do that some time.

I'm going to have a bourbon.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:34 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:58 pm Because you are the person who looks most solidly town. I fully expected that you would die last night.

It seems like everyone has some combination of Rico in their solve. I'm willing to put a vote there for now, see what happens. [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

I cleared myself (unless you believe mafia got a free kill in a JJJ designed game).

As long as there's a kill, there's no reason to ask why I'm still alive. The answer to that is that mafia picked someone else.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:34 pm

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 10:58 pm Because you are the person who looks most solidly town. I fully expected that you would die last night.

It seems like everyone has some combination of Rico in their solve. I'm willing to put a vote there for now, see what happens. [VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

I cleared myself (unless you believe mafia got a free kill in a JJJ designed game).

As long as there's a kill, there's no reason to ask why I'm still alive. The answer to that is that mafia picked someone else.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:50 pm @Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:56 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 11:50 pm @Dyslexicon epig is a god read, sheep me, I am 100% confident

No.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:29 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:24 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:59 pm Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show

As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.

@lucy Is this a town post?

what was rico's previous read on tsp, that might've been a slip but I'm not convinced

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 1:37 am 3 town kill powers...

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:08 am [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:22 am Spec chat, I love you, and thank you for your support. Not stop sending me letters. I've work to do.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:20 am I'm prepared to lose, spec chat. Regardless if what happens, Violet has never voted. Not once. So with two mafia alive likely, what I do doesn't matter today. Oh well!

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:35 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:20 am I'm prepared to lose, spec chat. Regardless if what happens, Violet has never voted. Not once. So with two mafia alive likely, what I do doesn't matter today. Oh well!

What if Violet is bad? You believe Violet is town?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:40 amWhy lucy?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:44 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:40 amWhy lucy?

Well, why not you?

You wouldn't like that.

I'm not voting me.

That's obvious.

There's Ricochet and Violet and Dys left.

So I'm going to turn this back around on you: RIcochet, Violet or Dyslexicon?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:45 am Or if you prefer, why NOT lucy?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:10 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:59 pm Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show

As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.

This post is just outing. I haven't seen anything scummier since DigitalDude from this year's champs.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:13 pm I believe Daisy is town and I believe Epig is town. I believe Daisy has found Epig as town.

I think Rico is pretty much always mafia. The partner is either Violet or Lucy. It's iiinteresting that I was loverized with Violet, and didn't wake up dead.

I'm actually pretty confident in this solve. But that doesn't mean I won't have an open mind.

Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:38 pm Could just kill Violet first.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:39 pm Lucy
daisy

violet

epig
trebuchet
twink

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:02 am My vote is on Ricochet because he's going through the motions. Walls of text were so 2015.

I do not have a conviction there, but I will NOT wait until the last minute this time to vote like I did last time. My vote will be informed this round.

lucy / violet / dizzy

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:23 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:08 pm @TonyStarkPrime flips TOWN:

**Dirty Angleshooter**

You're a filthy angleshooter. Yuck! Once per game, at night, you may submit a "dirty" read on one player to the host (it's up to you to defend why it's a dirty read). You will receive an alignment check on that player. The only parts of this role you can claim are the name and the alignment check.

You are town

Night actions due in about 22 hours. Event winner will be notified shortly.

Spoiler: show

@ Boquise
@ Dyslexicon
@ Epignosis
@ lucy
@ Ricochet
@ Spacedaisy
@ Violet

TSP's role was basically a cop. He did say:

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 9:14 pm I did not submit an action successfully whoops

Which means, unless he was lying, his action failed. Maybe he didn't submit a read that was "dirty" enough. Or maybe me and Rico's unknown action towards him fucked it up (whoops), or maybe he just forgot.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:58 pm angleshoot attempt failed

This does again seem to confirm that his action failed. Since his action had angleshoot flavour.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:57 am ok now that moonwink is dead my new lock-in is that daisy is a wolf (sorry daisy)

Then I was wondering if he had red checked Daisy, because of his strong read there and how he worded it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 11:57 am @TonyStarkPrime Your vote is bad and on a player who is never going to get chopped today.

Do you have a preference between the following: Lucy, Rico and Violet?

I’m going to read this as mech but I am pretty confident and not being mysterious on this one. Read daisy posts et
(Preference is not Rico)

Like this. Not being mysterious about it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 12:28 pm And I think he’s been spewed town by Daisy

And assuming Daisy mafia.

Thanks, I hate it. So I think Daisy is town. The strong read there is weird and comes from nowhere. I wish TSP was around later in the day to make himself clearer when he was in the vote lead.

I do think the earlier evidence shows that TSP actually did miss his action. Which would make Daisy not red checked.

I would hope that if TSP actually did have a valid red check, he would just say so.

I would hope. Reviewing this, I think it's just that TSP missed his action and I proceed with that world view in which I believe Daisy is town.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 1:24 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:44 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 12:40 amWhy lucy?

Well, why not you?

You wouldn't like that.

I'm not voting me.

That's obvious.

There's Ricochet and Violet and Dys left.

So I'm going to turn this back around on you: RIcochet, Violet or Dyslexicon?

Its not you and it's not me. So at least two mafia in the following four:

Who does lucy suspect?
Epi and Dizzy

Who does Dizzy suspect?
lucy, rico, or violet

Who does Rico suspect?
Judging from yesterday lucy and violet

Who does violet suspect?
Rico and Dizzy


But I think it's like there is distancing now. Also wolves will want to keep as many from removed from the PoE as possible. So Dizzy with three people in their suspect list gives me a little warning bell.
Rico shows up in two suspect lists, as does Dizzy. Lucy is in three. But does wolf lucy try and make Epi of all people look bad? That seems like a stretch to me, town reading Epi is a better move for a wolf there. it won't look like TMI, but it also will make you look town-sided.

I think looking at those that if lucy is town, looking at this list of who is listing who in their PoE, I lean Rico and Dizzy. But it is really based on what I think the most likely play from a wolf is, it's not based on fact.

Let me ask you this. If it is lucy, who is most likely the teammate in your opinion?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 2:47 am Morning. RIP TSP & Boq.

I've been on road yesterday, which synced well with the Night phase, and have a concert tonight and returning home tomorrow, which syncs less well with the Day phase. Will drop when I can today and more towards EOD tomorrow.

The TSP mislynch didn't clear stuff for me, since my reads were at lucy wagon wolf with Dolby, Violet backbench wolf, and maybe Dizzy sheeping us (whilst also wagon wolf with Dolby) or Boquise sheeping us hard. With Boquise kill, that leaves lucy / violet / dizzy.

Epig town, by virtue of his D2 action.
To which, my only small question mark would be that I am very confused as to why Moonwink's role flip seems identical to Epig's (or rather to how Epig's vig shot unfolded D2). Two policy killers in one game? Or some sort of copycat mechanism?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:10 pm

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 7:00 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 17, 2022 6:59 pm Guess I have to do a meaningless buss vote then.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Spoiler: show

As in town on town

6-2 at best and you want to lynch town. Unbelievable.

This post is just outing. I haven't seen anything scummier since DigitalDude from this year's champs.

I reacted to the text put in spoilers (why you placed it in spoilers being a question in itself).

You ended EOD voting someone you believed was town. Of course I found it gross.

And you could be grinning at us in doing all of this.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:13 pm I believe Daisy is town and I believe Epig is town. I believe Daisy has found Epig as town.

I think Rico is pretty much always mafia. The partner is either Violet or Lucy. It's iiinteresting that I was loverized with Violet, and didn't wake up dead.

I'm actually pretty confident in this solve. But that doesn't mean I won't have an open mind.

What do you mean, "pretty much always"?

Violet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:32 pm Some call me the loverizer. They are mistaken, as I am much more like a hostage taker. I pair myself with a player I suspect is a wolf and if wolves dare to kill me, they'll lose one of their own. If I used my powers succesfully that is.

Currently I think Rico and Dizzy are the likeliest wolves. Boq started to trouble me a bit after TSP's flip, but that slot doesn't require solving any longer.

Host's ruled that no roles are alignment-proof, so my issue is that this vig claim reads much too failproof as town powers go.

Epig's vig was conditioned by being voted, so he could attract town or wolf alike - as proven, it turned out a town casualty.
Jack's vig was sacrificial.

Your vig power is the least "bastard", as stated.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 8:38 pm Could just kill Violet first.

As in lynch? Or vig kill? Do you still have bullets? I thought you said during D2 that, after Ruri, you don't.

Both me and Epig has chosen to inherit the role of the one we killed. Which makes it so that our original role is the one revealed.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:40 am [

Ok. Well, my vote didn't matter at all, TSP was getting chopped anyway. I said what I said to see what reactions I got/I just did it.

Sometimes I feel like you take things quite literally and seriously, will you say that is fair?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:52 am

Both me and Epig has chosen to inherit the role of the one we killed. Which makes it so that our original role is the one revealed.

I may indeed miss full implication of the inheritance mechanics.

I understand the first part and indeed have understood that Epignosis has inherited Moonwink's role after he killed her.

Yet Epignosis also stated his Policy Kill is his original role, not an inherited one.

The second part, I do not understand it as well.

Can you bring more clarity to why Moonwink's flip is shown as the Policy Kill role itself?

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Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:55 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:40 am [

Ok. Well, my vote didn't matter at all, TSP was getting chopped anyway. I said what I said to see what reactions I got/I just did it.

Sometimes I feel like you take things quite literally and seriously, will you say that is fair?

In an incorrigible way.

My problem is that you doubted or disputed the TSP lynch would flip mafia. If you were fine with lynching and getting a flip answer out of TSP, I feel you probably could have phrased it better.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:06 am Ah. That clarifies it indeed. I was scratching my scalp to the bone around that flip reveal.

Cheers.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:41 am Rico might just be town from not knowing how inheriting roles work. That changes the PoE for me.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 10:39 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Nov 19, 2022 9:41 am Rico might just be town from not knowing how inheriting roles work. That changes the PoE for me.

something something do u believe that epig/violet is viable?
(i still suspect u but u die with violet so lol)

also i’m depressed and i’m not gonna be on much today

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:17 pm @Violet I know you're a finalist and all but how competent are you and what's your read accuracy like

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 9:14 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Nov 18, 2022 7:09 pm Me and Violet had a loverized chat for N3. I need to know if anyone had the power to make that. I asked @Violet if he made it, but he didn't answer that and was barely present with no game content. Violet, if you're ever town here, you got to show it like never before.

@lucy Last day you said you had the intuition (or whatever) that there was mafia between me and Rico. You're probably right about that, as I said. I need you to explain where this view comes from. And I very much need you to explain why you chose to not vote Rico with your whole spiel about me catching mafia or being mafia. What thoughts on your mind took precedence enough to make you vote TSP?

I think I made the same mistake not killing into you/rico, however I think due to 3 ML's in a row and the boq nk where he TR rico, you might be scum lmao

although bc I am educated on mafia theory directly accusing you is worthless, so I will not directly argue or anything, but you're my current suspicion

also I am really dead inside because of my outrageous blunder earlier and I have to reread thread, and it's kinda hard to focus

@Dyslexicon @Violet question: why did boq die over daisy and epig and me