Landlord Legacy Listing - Day Six (6)

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

The Truth is I'm the best to ever do it

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

This is a lie and I suck at mafia tbh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip

Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?

I mean unless lily had god reads*, I think there's probably just better shots this game quite frankly. Even if there's a "can only vengeful people on your wagon" stipulation I'm still not sure that's the best scum shot when you're there too and a bigger impact/harder miskill, in this game at least.


*which tbf is possible, lily is a good player! But the odds say probably not, just in terms of pure probability.

[WindwardAway]

i'm well within wolf range, and i'm gonna hold a 100% townread on schweppes/bereft, can you elaborate on boq and svs

i'm also fairly confident in ender being town

I talked about boq earlier. I think the way he described how Porsche was coming across and why her behavior seemed wolfy pinpointed my exact interpretation of it, but in a much better way. It felt nuanced enough to be towny. In the end I disagreed with his conclusion because I decided Porscha was town, but I don't disagree with boq's methodology or observations. I can see all of that coming from town who thinks they're on the right track and is working off small details that they normally catch wolves for.

Svs i don't have much elaboration on, it's just what I said before about her nonchalant vote on lily being so bad that it probably came from town (when she said it's between marmot and lily, but marmot said he had wifi issues, so she would vote lily instead). Like, I don't think svs would be oblivious to the risk that she would get widely wolfread for how bad that vote was in a game where votes are locked.

[WindwardAway]

Night 1 Vote
Seanzie/pyxxy (3 votes) - pyxxy, EnderWiggin, Princess Abigail
Bereft (2 votes) - Long Con, Marmot
Long Con (1 votes) - Cape90, Porscha
DrWilgy (1 vote) - S~V~S
S~V~S (1 vote) - DrWilgy
lilypetal (1 vote) - robyn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1 vote) - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Did not vote (5 votes) - JackofHearts2005, Boquise, WindwardAway, Lime Coke, Bereft, Lilypetal

@Long Con do you know why you only had one vote in the night poll when two people voted for you? I'm not shading you here; I think maybe I was paranoid of you, you having fooled me the last two games we played.

No, I assume it's a typo? @Justplayingitcool

Also, the Spooky Announcement appears to be about you, Long Con. "Cerberus Con" in the village of Lostpedia, lol.

Indeed!

I'm booooooored

Someone kill long con

Sure, let's do that. No one cares if you're bored, chief.

Also also also

WWA I think asked about why I don't think vote manip is scum sided or whatever

My reason is that I think the vote manip is the semi bastard mechanic and that it is designed to encourage all players to vote and vote in the correct and valid way that Rondo has set up.

I think it's ***likely*** randed and Scotty just got hella unlikely if it's not why would wolfs throw a bunch of useless votes on vanity wagons. I suppose you could say it's too play wifom games "these people got votes so they are town or scum" but... meh just doesn't add up to me

I also considered that, actually. I even talked about it, but I didn't consider that it could be randomized. The only reason why I didn't think it was related to the 5 of us who didn't vote is because there were 6 ghost votes and not 5, but maybe there's always one ghost vote and then an additional one for each nonvoter.

Also, did we have to vote at night? I assumed it was optional

Anyway, I decided I'm not voting Robyn today. I'm considering Long Con as a contender for "not particularly towny" but I want to hear his defense. Also have other people I'd consider, but I'll talk about them later.

LOL my defense against what?

Your defense against why you shouldn't be a wagon today
I'm curious because you've definitely seen more than one player say they'd be willing to vote you

[WindwardAway]

cape is a reasonable kill, i will completely ignore cape's legacy now, and note that brad has dropped off

wwa, ignoring everything relating to lily, why aren't you gonna vote me?

i'd also like a full readslist from u

Partly for reasons I listed in an above response to you - I don't trust my ability to read you, and you did have some towny points on D1.

And then adding the lily thing on top of that just kinda reinforces the idea that I don't need to focus on you today.

I don't have a full readlist nor do I plan on writing one, most people are null or flipflopping in and out of my PoE for lack of a better place to put them.

I'm no longer confident in town!Brad, though, and he's dropped down to a null because his lack of engagement despite being present is kind of concerning. I think Abbi could be scum but I'm not confident on that read. I think you have a decent chance to be town but I'm not 100% on that take as I said. I probably still wouldn't touch Bereft even though I think he's fallen off a bit in activity. I also still think boq and Porscha are both town.

Feel free to ask me about specific names, I wanted to format a proper readlist last night but got too

Why am I scum?

Because I don't currently townread you

[WindwardAway]

Why me fry me

Also I think it's disingenuous to say Bread isn't doing much or engaged

He's doing stuff but he was not engaged in the discussion between boq/Porscha or lily/Robyn that were happening simultaneously. I was there and commenting on everything, Brad was there and memeing. I get that it's a Brad thing, but he was in the exact position scum would want to be in if the Porscha/boq debate was t/t.

[WindwardAway]

Oh yeah, Ender is also in my townreads and I still think svs is more likely town, probably with some scum jumping on her.

Most other players I don't have a read on because they haven't posted enough content for me to gauge their alignment.

So Brad is bad for being here but not engaged but ender is good for being here and providing substantially less meaningful content

I disagree, Ender provided content in his few posts and Brad's readlist doesn't feel right.

[WindwardAway]

Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip

Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?

Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?

[EnderWiggin]

Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip

Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?

Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?

Entirely possible.

Also hi.

I have had a day. And I have 10 pages. And it's already 11pm. Chances of me fully catching up are slimish but I'm gonna give it a shot.

(Do we have any idea what night vote does @pyxxy? I meme voted for it because I thought Rondo was fucking around but now I realise it could be not.)

(Feel free to ask me questions until I inevitably succumb to sleep)

[EnderWiggin]

Am I a wolf in the we are arch nemesis' way or in the you actually think I'm a wolf wash

Find out next time on Dragon Ball X to doubt

I don't know what this means

It means I was being funny.

[EnderWiggin]

I have so far mixed up Porscha and Abi twice while catching up. Doing great.

[EnderWiggin]

Game *

Fuck phones

I wouldn't.

[EnderWiggin]

Oh, I forgot to add a thing.

What's with the vote manipulation? Do we think it was someone who had their vote on Scotty who could move invalid votes to him or something? Or is it a game mechanic?

Either way I'll make sure to vote before deadline for the rest of the game so we avoid that

The number of + votes doesn't = number of missed votes.

Idk if that's the actual mechanic.

[WindwardAway]

Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip

Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?

Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?

Entirely possible.

Also hi.

I have had a day. And I have 10 pages. And it's already 11pm. Chances of me fully catching up are slimish but I'm gonna give it a shot.

(Do we have any idea what night vote does @pyxxy? I meme voted for it because I thought Rondo was fucking around but now I realise it could be not.)

(Feel free to ask me questions until I inevitably succumb to sleep)

But forgetting to leave a legacy when multiple people called for Scotty to vig her?

[EnderWiggin]

Also I'm 99% sure Scotty was town.

There's no chance a wolf preps a legacy like that on D1 unless they thought they were gonna go over and Scotty wasn't in the lead for a while. (Nook > Porscha was leaders last bit of the day afair)

[WindwardAway]

Oh, I forgot to add a thing.

What's with the vote manipulation? Do we think it was someone who had their vote on Scotty who could move invalid votes to him or something? Or is it a game mechanic?

Either way I'll make sure to vote before deadline for the rest of the game so we avoid that

The number of + votes doesn't = number of missed votes.

Idk if that's the actual mechanic.

Yeah, I pointed that out a couple of times. I meant ill make sure to vote on time so that we have full voting power and not (possibly random, possibly controlled) ghost votes deciding the Elim.

[EnderWiggin]

Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip

Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?

Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?

Entirely possible.

Also hi.

I have had a day. And I have 10 pages. And it's already 11pm. Chances of me fully catching up are slimish but I'm gonna give it a shot.

(Do we have any idea what night vote does @pyxxy? I meme voted for it because I thought Rondo was fucking around but now I realise it could be not.)

(Feel free to ask me questions until I inevitably succumb to sleep)

But forgetting to leave a legacy when multiple people called for Scotty to vig her?

I mean. Yeah. I don't really have an argument in response. I just feel like lack of legacy probably isn't that strong a tell overall.

[EnderWiggin]

Oh, I forgot to add a thing.

What's with the vote manipulation? Do we think it was someone who had their vote on Scotty who could move invalid votes to him or something? Or is it a game mechanic?

Either way I'll make sure to vote before deadline for the rest of the game so we avoid that

The number of + votes doesn't = number of missed votes.

Idk if that's the actual mechanic.

Yeah, I pointed that out a couple of times. I meant ill make sure to vote on time so that we have full voting power and not (possibly random, possibly controlled) ghost votes deciding the Elim.

Wait. Town using their votes is a good idea???

*Pikachu face*

[EnderWiggin]

I also had like kinda decent townread on Lily during D1 and hard to shake that one for me.

[WindwardAway]

Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip

Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?

Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?

Entirely possible.

Also hi.

I have had a day. And I have 10 pages. And it's already 11pm. Chances of me fully catching up are slimish but I'm gonna give it a shot.

(Do we have any idea what night vote does @pyxxy? I meme voted for it because I thought Rondo was fucking around but now I realise it could be not.)

(Feel free to ask me questions until I inevitably succumb to sleep)

But forgetting to leave a legacy when multiple people called for Scotty to vig her?

I mean. Yeah. I don't really have an argument in response. I just feel like lack of legacy probably isn't that strong a tell overall.

Maybe it wouldn't normally be, but she was well aware that people were asking for her to be shot because she responded to them. I don't see why she would just not leave a legacy as town in a flipless game. I don't even care that she didn't leave legacy reads; she didn't tell us her role.

[WindwardAway]

Oh, I forgot to add a thing.

What's with the vote manipulation? Do we think it was someone who had their vote on Scotty who could move invalid votes to him or something? Or is it a game mechanic?

Either way I'll make sure to vote before deadline for the rest of the game so we avoid that

The number of + votes doesn't = number of missed votes.

Idk if that's the actual mechanic.

Yeah, I pointed that out a couple of times. I meant ill make sure to vote on time so that we have full voting power and not (possibly random, possibly controlled) ghost votes deciding the Elim.

Wait. Town using their votes is a good idea???

*Pikachu face*

Considering there was one more vote on Porscha than Scotty when the three ghost votes pushed Scotty over, and we had five people including myself not voting at all, we mightve had a different outcome if all nonvoters had voted.

[EnderWiggin]

Oh, I forgot to add a thing.

What's with the vote manipulation? Do we think it was someone who had their vote on Scotty who could move invalid votes to him or something? Or is it a game mechanic?

Either way I'll make sure to vote before deadline for the rest of the game so we avoid that

The number of + votes doesn't = number of missed votes.

Idk if that's the actual mechanic.

Yeah, I pointed that out a couple of times. I meant ill make sure to vote on time so that we have full voting power and not (possibly random, possibly controlled) ghost votes deciding the Elim.

Wait. Town using their votes is a good idea???

*Pikachu face*

Considering there was one more vote on Porscha than Scotty when the three ghost votes pushed Scotty over, and we had five people including myself not voting at all, we mightve had a different outcome if all nonvoters had voted.

I know. I'm just making a meme joke because I think I'm funny and also town should generally be voting anyway.

[EnderWiggin]

thanks. I sr'd long con, wwa is still like meh for me, lily is sr, I would need to check brad again but I kinda felt like he got cleared overly quickly and I didnt like that but maybe i'm also the bozo

I think the read Brad made on me is not a read he would've made a scum
He would try to pocket me by townreading me as scum, but I don't think he would've explained his read in the exact way he did.

oh true I forgot you're a woman and that was brad. my bad lol

I feel bad that this made me chuckle.

[EnderWiggin]

Wait wait wait, so... I'm on page 11 but there were more votes on porscha than on scotty? Or so it looks? Is that why boq said porscha is outed? Cause if so, I can totally see that, yeah.

I think svs's vote on lily is a poor excuse but I think it's so abrupt and bad that it's towny

And I'm not sure why scotty said he was trying something and voted me, but I'm not done reading yet. I should actually check what the vote count at EoD was but all I paid attention to was my own lack of vote lol, I gotta get back to work but at least I have a little more context now on what went down.

well I didn't vote scotty so I'm not sure what made up mechanic we are fake applying to scotty's wagon that isn't confirmed that surely must have been all my doing while I wasn't here, yup lmao

This feels rand>wolfy

I'm gonna go one further and say this feels "Caught for the wrong reasons" rand>wolfy.

[EnderWiggin]

porscha does seem wolfy here and the mech at eod seems bad for her but i dunno

...

Maybe I was wrong about Lily lmao

[EnderWiggin]

I have a really stupid theory.

This theory involves Porscha being wolf.

This theory also involves the vote-manip being non-wolf.

[EnderWiggin]

Actually technically the theory has nothing to do with Porscha being wolf.

I just think I know who/what happened with votes at EOD

[Long Con]

Night 1 Vote
Seanzie/pyxxy (3 votes) - pyxxy, EnderWiggin, Princess Abigail
Bereft (2 votes) - Long Con, Marmot
Long Con (1 votes) - Cape90, Porscha
DrWilgy (1 vote) - S~V~S
S~V~S (1 vote) - DrWilgy
lilypetal (1 vote) - robyn
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (1 vote) - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Did not vote (5 votes) - JackofHearts2005, Boquise, WindwardAway, Lime Coke, Bereft, Lilypetal

@Long Con do you know why you only had one vote in the night poll when two people voted for you? I'm not shading you here; I think maybe I was paranoid of you, you having fooled me the last two games we played.

No, I assume it's a typo? @Justplayingitcool

Also, the Spooky Announcement appears to be about you, Long Con. "Cerberus Con" in the village of Lostpedia, lol.

Indeed!

I'm booooooored

Someone kill long con

Sure, let's do that. No one cares if you're bored, chief.

LOL my defense against what?

Your defense against why you shouldn't be a wagon today
I'm curious because you've definitely seen more than one player say they'd be willing to vote you

Ok... I'm town.

[EnderWiggin]

I just think Porscha's self-righteous anger comes from a point of legitimately having nothing to do with the vote manip but is angry that it favoured her wolfy plans and now is being sussed for something outside her control.

[Long Con]

I fucked that up i'm on my phone and didn't erase everything

[EnderWiggin]

As a side note, WWA/Boq during N1 look v good.

[EnderWiggin]

also porscha town

Wut.

[S~V~S]

i'm well within wolf range, and i'm gonna hold a 100% townread on schweppes/bereft, can you elaborate on boq and svs

i'm also fairly confident in ender being town

I talked about boq earlier. I think the way he described how Porsche was coming across and why her behavior seemed wolfy pinpointed my exact interpretation of it, but in a much better way. It felt nuanced enough to be towny. In the end I disagreed with his conclusion because I decided Porscha was town, but I don't disagree with boq's methodology or observations. I can see all of that coming from town who thinks they're on the right track and is working off small details that they normally catch wolves for.

Svs i don't have much elaboration on, it's just what I said before about her nonchalant vote on lily being so bad that it probably came from town (when she said it's between marmot and lily, but marmot said he had wifi issues, so she would vote lily instead). Like, I don't think svs would be oblivious to the risk that she would get widely wolfread for how bad that vote was in a game where votes are locked.

I had to go to bad and they were the two lowest posters, they each had one post at the time. Her one post was “Hi”

It didn’t occur to me that it would look bad and I’m still not sure I understand why it was bad lol

[S~V~S]

Lolol *bed not bad

[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Nook] aubergine

i would strongly prefer nook to die over scotty for sake of content

also nook, given your content what do you think about lily’s tr on you?

i would strongly prefer nook to die over scotty for sake of content

also nook, given your content what do you think about lily’s tr on you?

Idk if she trs me or not but atp it's entirely reasonable if she does imo

what have you done for someone to get a town gutread on you

Either Nook or Porscha to me I don't feel like voting Scotty.

go porscha imo

(this is my implicit response to u nook)

this shit makes 0 sense if robyn is town

like

idk

in a setup where ur vote is final how can u possibly vote nook then ask nook probing questions to discern alignment? it just seems entirely fake

and the last post is just awful lol

gives me the vibe of a wolf who is going through the motions

Oh yeah, wolf!Robyn would definitely want Scotty to die over Nook based on that
Yikes

Nm WWA goes back in my sus pile.

[EnderWiggin]

robyn is powerwolfing in the most boring way possible

I like Robyn town powerwolfing tyvm.

[EnderWiggin]

Actually wild theory WWA not with Lily and I'm starting to think Lily was maf so WWA would have to be town.

*CYCLES GO AROUND AND AROUND*

[EnderWiggin]

My brain theory rn has 2 wolves in WWA/Porscha/Lily/Abi and I keep changing my mind on which ones.

[EnderWiggin]

(2 because WWA/Lily and Porscha/Abi have probably unpaired interactions between them.)

[EnderWiggin]

Night phase hasn't really made me re-check my Robyn read tbh. I'm happy with that for now.

LC and LC are looking better for wildly different reasons.

[EnderWiggin]

SVS is scumrange but I also don't have a good reason to really scumread them so idk.

[EnderWiggin]

I have 0 impression of Marmot so I probably should add them to sus.

[EnderWiggin]

Jack of hearts is also in that sort of wolfy range.

[EnderWiggin]

Nook/Bereft are towny tbh.

[EnderWiggin]

My job here is done.

*Flutters cape.*

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Shadow vote porscha

I was elated about actually getting her over then massively bummed to see scotty go over instead.

Theoretically possible scotty is mafia but it's hard to see a vengeful mafia making that shot tbh so I'm just treating him as a town flip

Why? Not saying your wrong cause I have no idea and kinda am feeling like Scotty was actually town sadly but why wouldn't a wolf kill Lily?

Would town!lily forget to leave a legacy?

Entirely possible.

Also hi.

I have had a day. And I have 10 pages. And it's already 11pm. Chances of me fully catching up are slimish but I'm gonna give it a shot.

(Do we have any idea what night vote does @pyxxy? I meme voted for it because I thought Rondo was fucking around but now I realise it could be not.)

(Feel free to ask me questions until I inevitably succumb to sleep)

But forgetting to leave a legacy when multiple people called for Scotty to vig her?

Yes it's entirely possible

But she was probably just mafia paired with porscha so idk why I'm arguing jt lol

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

My brain theory rn has 2 wolves in WWA/Porscha/Lily/Abi and I keep changing my mind on which ones.

I mean game theory says kill them all if you're that confident in two among that four

I'd personally remove abbi but

[Porscha]

Nook is a wolf for reading my posts enough to pair me with lily and then still come into today doing nothing but tunneling me and he and boq will probably do that all day if I had to guess

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Nook is a wolf for reading my posts enough to pair me with lily and then still come into today doing nothing but tunneling me and he and boq will probably do that all day if I had to guess

It was more based on lily's posts

Ok who is the mafia I should be seeing then?