The Syndicate

I see nothing has happened.

Suppose I'll do some stand back hunting this evening. Pretty sure we should send Nutella against Cape/Sheep/Pyx so I'll get to sorting which one.

why is this thread so dead

They killed the talkers and I've been unconscious?

Also not resolving suspicions in a straight forward means of flipping probably discourages game progression. I'd be lying if I didn't say there was a part of me telling me to "just send Pyx and Nut to resolve the cws as not everyone could be wrong and we need their data at the least"

As this game progresses, I'm sitting here thinking "boy I sure do hope there's only two wolves." Town getting through one poll correctly is already hard enough, but needing to get through two, where sending both wolves to the second can boost wolves is just kinda difficult lol

wilgy wanting to chop me solely for the purpose of resolving counterwagons?

classic scum wilgy

seems like nutella wilgy wagons would be v nice

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:24 pm wilgy wanting to chop me solely for the purpose of resolving counterwagons?

classic scum wilgy

May I remind you that you are PoE and still feel like wolf Pyx?

I'd be more impressed that I haven't voted you yet and are considering you against Sheep and Cape.

would also put up sheep vs nutella

I guess there's a risk Sheep hasn't submitted a song? @Sheep can you confirm that you've at least submitted a song?

I will add, I feel like when you don't know my alignment Pyx, you seem to struggle with me.

Like, I'm really not feeling any of the discord you held in cyberpunk while you address me this game and that's strange.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:24 pm wilgy wanting to chop me solely for the purpose of resolving counterwagons?

classic scum wilgy

May I remind you that you are PoE and still feel like wolf Pyx?

I'd be more impressed that I haven't voted you yet and are considering you against Sheep and Cape.

you dropped me like a rock after I had immunity D2 and now I'm only back in your solve because I'm voteable again

yes or no?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:30 pm I will add, I feel like when you don't know my alignment Pyx, you seem to struggle with me.

Like, I'm really not feeling any of the discord you held in cyberpunk while you address me this game and that's strange.

nah the real problem is you only get scumrands in streaks and it messes with my reads

but, and I mean this in the most positive way possible? you're communicating too much again. when you solve _outwards_ too much and have too much certainty in your own reads e.g. wolfing with Alison, down to kill DM in Timelines. that's been scum Wilgy

a Wilgy that isn't super concerned with being understood but is still solving? that's town wilgy

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:24 pm wilgy wanting to chop me solely for the purpose of resolving counterwagons?

classic scum wilgy

May I remind you that you are PoE and still feel like wolf Pyx?

I'd be more impressed that I haven't voted you yet and are considering you against Sheep and Cape.

you dropped me like a rock after I had immunity D2 and now I'm only back in your solve because I'm voteable again

yes or no?

More or less yes. Not being yeet able really does that to my process, like why waste the energy.

Now I'm to reassess as I stated.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:33 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:24 pm wilgy wanting to chop me solely for the purpose of resolving counterwagons?

classic scum wilgy

May I remind you that you are PoE and still feel like wolf Pyx?

I'd be more impressed that I haven't voted you yet and are considering you against Sheep and Cape.

you dropped me like a rock after I had immunity D2 and now I'm only back in your solve because I'm voteable again

yes or no?

More or less yes. Not being yeet able really does that to my process, like why waste the energy.

Now I'm to reassess as I stated.

so I'm town then, no?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:30 pm I will add, I feel like when you don't know my alignment Pyx, you seem to struggle with me.

Like, I'm really not feeling any of the discord you held in cyberpunk while you address me this game and that's strange.

nah the real problem is you only get scumrands in streaks and it messes with my reads

but, and I mean this in the most positive way possible? you're communicating too much again. when you solve _outwards_ too much and have too much certainty in your own reads e.g. wolfing with Alison, down to kill DM in Timelines. that's been scum Wilgy

a Wilgy that isn't super concerned with being understood but is still solving? that's town wilgy

Assuming this is real, I think you're confusing my gameplay with my activity.

How have I been concerned with being understood this game? I feel like I've been playing a very PoE focused game and that's just the best way to progress when we have to put two against each other.

your posts, who you are sussing, and your suspool have been clear, concise, and understandable

it's not about activity it's about clarity

scum wilgy makes his agenda clear so that it can be followed.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:42 pm your posts, who you are sussing, and your suspool have been clear, concise, and understandable

it's not about activity it's about clarity

scum wilgy makes his agenda clear so that it can be followed.

seems like you're saying that I'm a wolf for doing what I need to do to catch the wolves in a way that doesn't really give me anything contextually to know what exactly you're talking about.

Like, did I have an agenda when I was concerned with SPF being able to call LC and Nutella's submissions?

did I have an agenda realizing that I think Cape is more wolfy than not?

did I have an agenda begrudgingly removing Sheep from PoE for abit as players states my read was wrong?

did I have an agenda in thinking I've found town Falcon?

did I have an agenda seeing your presence vs content d1 and finding that wolfy?

Where is my agenda my friend? I have way more content than just gut feels. Who's my teammate and what exactly is the angle of you think you see one.

Now that all my townread except Falc are dead, who's my teammate? Who am I wrongly pushing and who haven't I pushed enough from your perspective?

wydm

I said I like nutella and wilgy as the wagons today

you're kinda making my point tho

I find that when you're town, you're not focused on proving your work in the thread

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:42 pm your posts, who you are sussing, and your suspool have been clear, concise, and understandable

it's not about activity it's about clarity

scum wilgy makes his agenda clear so that it can be followed.

badda bing

eh otoh I'm not being helpful if you're town so

I'm not posting for the next 12 hours

ttyl

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:55 pm you're kinda making my point tho

I find that when you're town, you're not focused on proving your work in the thread

Perhaps I have the time to do so?

Now that I've asked for context and you've chosen not to after giving you the opportunity to do so, that just feels bad.

wilgy who is mafia

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:20 pm wilgy who is mafia

Pyx/Cape, Nut, Sheep. Is my guess.

If I'm just fully incorrect, that means SPF/LoRab would contain wolves. The thought behind that would be the fact that LoRab had that really good post re Robyn and you affirmed my read to turn me into an extra wolf. Possible? yes. Clever? yes. Real? Probably not. My read on LoRab is likely just correct and you are/were likely correct to notice the same thing.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:23 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:20 pm wilgy who is mafia

Pyx/Cape, Nut, Sheep. Is my guess.

What do you think about falcon

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:43 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:57 pm I fear for my life choosing songs tbh. gonna have to like, pick some of the most popular ones of the musicians I like to appeal to the masses here I think lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm or maybe I go independent. I dunno

Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)

no it is showcasing my indecision (wilgy w btw)

i like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)

are you trying to force a thunderdome...

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm Also if you like both falcon and Porscha, wouldn't you discourage a thunderdome?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:57 pm Wish I could say more about... anyone else but meh

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

We need more people to wake up

Why do you follow up this pressure on Sheep w/ a vote for SPF?

Classic falcon wolf post

Vote: falcon

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:42 pm your posts, who you are sussing, and your suspool have been clear, concise, and understandable

it's not about activity it's about clarity

scum wilgy makes his agenda clear so that it can be followed.

hm

maybe

there I go sucking up to pyxxy's fresh new case again

Falcon’s got a few good things in his ISO but I don’t think it’s enough, most of the classic falcon wolf signs are there. Granted he might have changed in the last few years but IDK it looks bad

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:39 pm Vote: falcon

nah bruv

sorry I have claimed godread

which like ok I don’t actually want to put that on the line but it looks really bad

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:38 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:23 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:20 pm wilgy who is mafia

Pyx/Cape, Nut, Sheep. Is my guess.

What do you think about falcon

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:24 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:35 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:24 pm @nutella nothing from you either? Just a pop-in?

maybe Long Con is right about you...

I popped in and dropped a vote on Wilgy w/ no explanation, and I've been absent most of this RD






Why doesn't that bother you?

1) it's your meta

2) it's your meta

3) it's your meta

4) and also it was at least a contribution

See, that's the thing tho...big absences during a RD, especially after being previosly active, is my meta yes.




But it's not my town meta

There was some good things within their ISO D1, but further towards Pyxxy, I don't immediately think W Falc makes this post.

Yeah that’s a really good post and a town falcon post

The rest of the iso is like 'meh it's falc' but I seem to always think it's about the 1 or 2 good posts that put him out of his wolf range. That is one of the good posts.

hmm that’s like vaguely valid

maybe it’s enough for me to hold on it but I don’t really know

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:29 pm would also put up sheep vs nutella

I guess there's a risk Sheep hasn't submitted a song? @Sheep can you confirm that you've at least submitted a song?

nya (yes)

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:42 pm your posts, who you are sussing, and your suspool have been clear, concise, and understandable

it's not about activity it's about clarity

scum wilgy makes his agenda clear so that it can be followed.

seems like you're saying that I'm a wolf for doing what I need to do to catch the wolves in a way that doesn't really give me anything contextually to know what exactly you're talking about.

Like, did I have an agenda when I was concerned with SPF being able to call LC and Nutella's submissions?

did I have an agenda realizing that I think Cape is more wolfy than not?

did I have an agenda begrudgingly removing Sheep from PoE for abit as players states my read was wrong?

did I have an agenda in thinking I've found town Falcon?

did I have an agenda seeing your presence vs content d1 and finding that wolfy?

Where is my agenda my friend? I have way more content than just gut feels. Who's my teammate and what exactly is the angle of you think you see one.

Now that all my townread except Falc are dead, who's my teammate? Who am I wrongly pushing and who haven't I pushed enough from your perspective?

I feel like all of these could be agenda-based at least enough that it's not the slam dunk you're presenting it as
also hhhh i need to make reads and you guys hanged robyn d1

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 11:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:21 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 12:28 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:43 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:42 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 8:57 pm I fear for my life choosing songs tbh. gonna have to like, pick some of the most popular ones of the musicians I like to appeal to the masses here I think lol

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jan 02, 2024 9:04 pm or maybe I go independent. I dunno

Is the simple action of talking about this, providing hint at what you pick? This is the real speculation. (porscha w btw)

no it is showcasing my indecision (wilgy w btw)

i like this post (there's a thunderdome between wilgy & porscha now btw)

are you trying to force a thunderdome...

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:54 pm Also if you like both falcon and Porscha, wouldn't you discourage a thunderdome?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:57 pm Wish I could say more about... anyone else but meh

[VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

We need more people to wake up

Why do you follow up this pressure on Sheep w/ a vote for SPF?

Classic falcon wolf post

i have faint memories of falcon making pushes like this as town but also they are faint and i see what you mean in that the question is performative but also lol this feels like overanalysis with the benefit of hindsight

very tenatively my gth reads are
wilgy
spf
tsp
lorab
cape
falcon
pyxxy
nutella

don't ask me about any of these thanks

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:51 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:42 pm your posts, who you are sussing, and your suspool have been clear, concise, and understandable

it's not about activity it's about clarity

scum wilgy makes his agenda clear so that it can be followed.

seems like you're saying that I'm a wolf for doing what I need to do to catch the wolves in a way that doesn't really give me anything contextually to know what exactly you're talking about.

Like, did I have an agenda when I was concerned with SPF being able to call LC and Nutella's submissions?

did I have an agenda realizing that I think Cape is more wolfy than not?

did I have an agenda begrudgingly removing Sheep from PoE for abit as players states my read was wrong?

did I have an agenda in thinking I've found town Falcon?

did I have an agenda seeing your presence vs content d1 and finding that wolfy?

Where is my agenda my friend? I have way more content than just gut feels. Who's my teammate and what exactly is the angle of you think you see one.

Now that all my townread except Falc are dead, who's my teammate? Who am I wrongly pushing and who haven't I pushed enough from your perspective?

I feel like all of these could be agenda-based at least enough that it's not the slam dunk you're presenting it as
also hhhh i need to make reads and you guys hanged robyn d1

Cool, glad we've presented why these are in fact agenda based. Glad we've also presented why you think I'd assume it's a slam dunk.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 3:21 pm Who here finds Sheep towny?

i plead the "lhf"

d1

robyn
Voters: Long Con, nutella

Sheep
Voters: pyxxy

Cape90
Voters: falcon45ca

Long Con
Voters: Porscha

pyxxy
Voters: robyn, DrWilgy, Cape90, ☆Princess Abigail☆

d2

TonyStarkPrime
Voters: Porscha

nutella
Voters: Long Con, staypositivefriend, Cape90, pyxxy

Cape90
Voters: DrWilgy

Long Con
Voters: LoRab, nutella

DrWilgy
Voters: falcon45ca

n2

Cloud Cult - Chemicals Collide
Voters: staypositivefriend, LoRab

Holy Holy - Starting Line
Voters: Porscha, DrWilgy, Sheep, pyxxy, Cape90, falcon45ca

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:02 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:51 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:42 pm your posts, who you are sussing, and your suspool have been clear, concise, and understandable

it's not about activity it's about clarity

scum wilgy makes his agenda clear so that it can be followed.

seems like you're saying that I'm a wolf for doing what I need to do to catch the wolves in a way that doesn't really give me anything contextually to know what exactly you're talking about.

Like, did I have an agenda when I was concerned with SPF being able to call LC and Nutella's submissions?

did I have an agenda realizing that I think Cape is more wolfy than not?

did I have an agenda begrudgingly removing Sheep from PoE for abit as players states my read was wrong?

did I have an agenda in thinking I've found town Falcon?

did I have an agenda seeing your presence vs content d1 and finding that wolfy?

Where is my agenda my friend? I have way more content than just gut feels. Who's my teammate and what exactly is the angle of you think you see one.

Now that all my townread except Falc are dead, who's my teammate? Who am I wrongly pushing and who haven't I pushed enough from your perspective?

I feel like all of these could be agenda-based at least enough that it's not the slam dunk you're presenting it as
also hhhh i need to make reads and you guys hanged robyn d1

Cool, glad we've presented why these are in fact agenda based. Glad we've also presented why you think I'd assume it's a slam dunk.

because you were presenting it like it was (at least in the tone i was reading it), maybe not a slam dunk but certainly like it was something
i'm by no means an agenda expert because that's not normally how i wolf but sure let's go thing by thing
"being concerned about spf being able to call the submissions" i mean this isn't an "agenda" per se unless your plan is to push spf, which is possible but it is very possible for maf to be concerned about town guessing submissions while realisticallly it means nothing
the word "realizing" in the second one wowee yeah that's kind of something you would do with an agenda (at least as i see it) where you re-evaluate and see who is pushable
"for a bit" makes removing somebody null because it doesn't affect your larger plan especially begrudgingly it's easy to just do that for towncred
more than likely the "agenda'd" explanation for finding town falcon is realizing somebody else is more push-able or whatever.
from my experience i think pyxxy is decently pushable so yeah sure

i don't know if i'm completely deranged but i think "having reasoning that's vaguely townlike" is fakeable though i'm missing the context for these and like i said i'm not too familiar with an agenda which is why i didn't explain it but yeah burden of proof my bad /gen

this isn't to say that these need to be agenda'd but i feel like the point you're trying to make here just doesn't work

Thoughts:
There's a diference check between Cape and Pyx as I doubt that wagon is pure.

Nut really just feels like it has to be a wolf slot.

SPF and LoRab aren't aligned with Nut and this behavior isn't a bus from either based on the n2 wagon.

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:11 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:02 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 12:51 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:42 pm your posts, who you are sussing, and your suspool have been clear, concise, and understandable

it's not about activity it's about clarity

scum wilgy makes his agenda clear so that it can be followed.

seems like you're saying that I'm a wolf for doing what I need to do to catch the wolves in a way that doesn't really give me anything contextually to know what exactly you're talking about.

Like, did I have an agenda when I was concerned with SPF being able to call LC and Nutella's submissions?

did I have an agenda realizing that I think Cape is more wolfy than not?

did I have an agenda begrudgingly removing Sheep from PoE for abit as players states my read was wrong?

did I have an agenda in thinking I've found town Falcon?

did I have an agenda seeing your presence vs content d1 and finding that wolfy?

Where is my agenda my friend? I have way more content than just gut feels. Who's my teammate and what exactly is the angle of you think you see one.

Now that all my townread except Falc are dead, who's my teammate? Who am I wrongly pushing and who haven't I pushed enough from your perspective?

I feel like all of these could be agenda-based at least enough that it's not the slam dunk you're presenting it as
also hhhh i need to make reads and you guys hanged robyn d1

Cool, glad we've presented why these are in fact agenda based. Glad we've also presented why you think I'd assume it's a slam dunk.

because you were presenting it like it was (at least in the tone i was reading it), maybe not a slam dunk but certainly like it was something
i'm by no means an agenda expert because that's not normally how i wolf but sure let's go thing by thing
"being concerned about spf being able to call the submissions" i mean this isn't an "agenda" per se unless your plan is to push spf, which is possible but it is very possible for maf to be concerned about town guessing submissions while realisticallly it means nothing
the word "realizing" in the second one wowee yeah that's kind of something you would do with an agenda (at least as i see it) where you re-evaluate and see who is pushable
"for a bit" makes removing somebody null because it doesn't affect your larger plan especially begrudgingly it's easy to just do that for towncred
more than likely the "agenda'd" explanation for finding town falcon is realizing somebody else is more push-able or whatever.
from my experience i think pyxxy is decently pushable so yeah sure

i don't know if i'm completely deranged but i think "having reasoning that's vaguely townlike" is fakeable though i'm missing the context for these and like i said i'm not too familiar with an agenda which is why i didn't explain it but yeah burden of proof my bad /gen

this isn't to say that these need to be agenda'd but i feel like the point you're trying to make here just doesn't work

It was something. It was a list of 'these are afew of the things i've done this game' from the top of my head in juxtaposition to Pyxxy's claim that I'm wolfing rather than towning because of my clarity/time investment in the game. Pyx's read felt lazy if not in bad faith, so I figured I'd give them a list for easier extrapolation of information and they decided against it.

Ok, but in 'realizing' cape was wolfy and claiming I 'can' have agenda there, do you actually think I have agenda there? Do you think my headspace from me towards cape is in fact wolfy push or a natural town progression?

Does it? Removing someone from PoE effectively means I'm not willing to vote for them in a day cycle. It allows growth and change within the thread, and the potential for me to see what others are advising as correct where my reads may be incorrect. Have I come to any conclusions or detailed anything that doesn't appear as 'allowing the slot to grow' and 'watching what happens around it' that appear unnatural? Where is the agenda as opposed to 'perhaps I'm wrong and I should give this time'?

Ok, for finding town falc, what is my goal here? Is Falc my teammate? Am I avoiding the slot? Am I pocketing the slot? If it's the last one, then clearly I'm doing something wrong based on votes right now.

Unfortunately, every player in this game, will 'have reasoning that's vaguely townlike' as they are either town and it's natural, or they are wolf and it's their job to fake it. I'd advise finding the context and coming to a conclusion on if it's actually fake or not.

The point was Pyx's read doesn't use what I've actually done this game and should be better from my point of view. I do believe that you had missed that.

[VOTE: Cape] aubergine until I can decide between them and Pyx.

[VOTE: cape] aubergine




I find myself comfortable voting for Wilgy, Sheep, Cape, Pyxxy