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The very words Tranq spoke which incensed you because they were skeptical of you were a townie thing to be looking into. It feels like the sort of thing Tranq does to sort- he did the same thing as town in the previous game when he called out Kawaii based on comparing what had Kawaii said to open the game to Kawaii's prior mafia experience. Others have already pointed out that Tranq/Nicole interactions don't feel partnered. Tranq took the correct side in the day end vote and helped flip the wolf instead of town.
Wakarimasu. I'm still considering whether Nicole intentionaly sham-voted leetic in thread but not in poll in order to look distancey but not actually contribute to the threat of leetic getting flipped.
Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 3:43 pmIn context they felt...setsumei-nikui. not sure I can explain it, just pingy. It's not really about them not voting for Nicole.Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 11:26 amI don't know, Pikachu, they seem okay to me without anymore context!Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 10:35 am DM kinda threw a tantrum on pg 14 that I think was coming from a townie perspective
I usually wouldn't give much cred to Wilgy's vote for nicole, but I'm still trying to figure out how to interpret the later votes in the context of her ability - would teammates be more inclined to get the bussing cred, or to try to save her for a time where they'd be more likely to get the benefit of her ability. Hard to say without knowing bussing metas. I personally would gave gone for the latter so for the moment some points to idk...everyone who ended up there?
I don't love this pop-in.
And I kinda hate this in contextleetic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 4:14 am I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper
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It will soon be time for me to retire to the bottom of the ocean once more for a yasumi
Pika!!! Pika pika!!!
I know they weren't votes for Nicole - but that doesnt inherently make them wolfy! We didn't vote Nicole either!
Pika-pi!!
Keikaku...
I'm not sure exactly what you want me to have done here? My wagon was largely voted by people for poor/no reasons but that's a point that has been litigated a bunch already. Plus my post is looking at specifically EoD wagons, I don't really care about the person who didn't show up in time to move their vote off meVivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:23 pm One thing I particularly dislike is that leetic was in the position of being the precursor wagon to Nicole and he should have been able to produce a lot of information from his POV but instead all we got was this.
What???leetic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 4:02 pm Nice hit, and good we got them out early given their role. Not sure how to read VCA, theoretically Nicole would have been more likely to survive if her wolf partners voted her but it seemed very unlikely that she would hit the required 11 votes, especially so late in the day. Dubz isn't a last-minute vote that would have given Duelist Mirage much advantage if they were paired with Nicole, so minor town points there I guess?
Twice what???
Notably both of these have a Silencer so I wouldn't read into someone not posting today
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Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:31 amAKApyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 3:31 pm[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergineMichelle wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 3:17 pm There's no possibility to read 10 pages and sleep overnight and be able to function tomorrow, I am pretty sure this calm atmosphere comes from t/t wagons, I know I am town and leetic is a better scum than voting, throwing an excuse and walk away.
Considering that, mafia is in no danger.
See you at the same spot.jpg
I find you wolfy, hiding behind your fancy picture machines. You don’t have to fully explain your vote for rondo
カルタゴ滅ぶべしDubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:10 pmGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:05 pmMaybe it's not consensus and just my own brain, but while the people you chose as your POE haven't done anything to distinguish themselves as towny, it's interesting to me that the venn diagram between the POE that I posted last night (epig/trek/Rondo (and Michelle, but obv that 's no more)) and yours is nonexistent. So I guess wrt the people I'm looking at, who is most towny to you and why?Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 3:38 pmYahō!GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 2:45 pmKonichiwa dubz (idk why I both anymore)Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 10:44 am POE based on actual pings is something like LC/jess/Mac/leetic
Tentative town bucket = DM, Wilgy, Scotty
Never rescind town bucket = gims, vivax, Spurs, Nutella
Everyone else is
Now off to snack on some sea creatures or something. Sayōnara!
[VOTE: @Long Con ] aubergine
can you expound on the scum read on LC? You really think they’re the most sus in your entire catch up?
I feel like most of the thread has coalesced around a pretty tight POE. Who in that pool of eels is most likely to just be town but had a bad day?
Who on Nicole’s wagon was the most likely bussing slot?
Bottom two questions can be for anyone
The most sus? Idk about that, I'd say those 4 are on roughly equal ground for me. It interested me though. Felt like LC was stretchy in the discussion with DM. And I didn't see they'd gotten much attention (in the limited pages I've read).
If the thread has a consensus POE I'm woefully unaware of it so you'll have to be more specific on who you're asking about!
I'd expect if Nicole was bussed it would be Wilgy or later but I just kinda doubt it happened (but maybe that's what they want me to think)
I would guess that is because they weren't posting in the timeframe I was reading (from when the Nicole wagon restarted until EOD), and Nicole didn't mention them specifically in her posts.
I have no thoughts on those 3, gomen. I'm about to skim through overall mentions of Nicole for more interactions so we'll see if I find anything there.
Any resemblance to kaiju living or radioactive is purely coincidental.
You mean dubz?leetic wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 6:02 pmI'm not sure exactly what you want me to have done here? My wagon was largely voted by people for poor/no reasons but that's a point that has been litigated a bunch already. Plus my post is looking at specifically EoD wagons, I don't really care about the person who didn't show up in time to move their vote off meVivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:23 pm One thing I particularly dislike is that leetic was in the position of being the precursor wagon to Nicole and he should have been able to produce a lot of information from his POV but instead all we got was this.
What???leetic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 4:02 pm Nice hit, and good we got them out early given their role. Not sure how to read VCA, theoretically Nicole would have been more likely to survive if her wolf partners voted her but it seemed very unlikely that she would hit the required 11 votes, especially so late in the day. Dubz isn't a last-minute vote that would have given Duelist Mirage much advantage if they were paired with Nicole, so minor town points there I guess?
Twice what???
I think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)
I agree the politician likely didn't play into the mafia's strategy. I would say that it sort of felt like there was some momentum building after you and I hopped on, and especially after Wilgy voted, so there could be some points earned by bussing.
idk dubz, Epig was among the more active players overnight as the Nicole wagon was building up and even had significant banter with Wilgy. Rondo was also posting though less.Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:10 pmI would guess that is because they weren't posting in the timeframe I was reading (from when the Nicole wagon restarted until EOD), and Nicole didn't mention them specifically in her posts.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:05 pmMaybe it's not consensus and just my own brain, but while the people you chose as your POE haven't done anything to distinguish themselves as towny, it's interesting to me that the venn diagram between the POE that I posted last night (epig/trek/Rondo (and Michelle, but obv that 's no more)) and yours is nonexistent. So I guess wrt the people I'm looking at, who is most towny to you and why?Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 3:38 pmYahō!GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 2:45 pmKonichiwa dubz (idk why I both anymore)Dubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 10:44 am POE based on actual pings is something like LC/jess/Mac/leetic
Tentative town bucket = DM, Wilgy, Scotty
Never rescind town bucket = gims, vivax, Spurs, Nutella
Everyone else is
Now off to snack on some sea creatures or something. Sayōnara!
[VOTE: @Long Con ] aubergine
can you expound on the scum read on LC? You really think they’re the most sus in your entire catch up?
I feel like most of the thread has coalesced around a pretty tight POE. Who in that pool of eels is most likely to just be town but had a bad day?
Who on Nicole’s wagon was the most likely bussing slot?
Bottom two questions can be for anyone
The most sus? Idk about that, I'd say those 4 are on roughly equal ground for me. It interested me though. Felt like LC was stretchy in the discussion with DM. And I didn't see they'd gotten much attention (in the limited pages I've read).
If the thread has a consensus POE I'm woefully unaware of it so you'll have to be more specific on who you're asking about!
I'd expect if Nicole was bussed it would be Wilgy or later but I just kinda doubt it happened (but maybe that's what they want me to think)
I have no thoughts on those 3, gomen. I'm about to skim through overall mentions of Nicole for more interactions so we'll see if I find anything there.
Any resemblance to kaiju living or radioactive is purely coincidental.
Leetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 8:50 pmI think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)
idk, I've frequently been the scum who hops on the bus at the very end of the day because I'm hoping it gives me a shred of town cred. If you want to independently find Tranq towny that's fine, but I think the vote was so late and a more or less foregone conclusion that idk that I 'd give much credit thereDuelist Mirage wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 4:54 pmThe very words Tranq spoke which incensed you because they were skeptical of you were a townie thing to be looking into. It feels like the sort of thing Tranq does to sort- he did the same thing as town in the previous game when he called out Kawaii based on comparing what had Kawaii said to open the game to Kawaii's prior mafia experience. Others have already pointed out that Tranq/Nicole interactions don't feel partnered. Tranq took the correct side in the day end vote and helped flip the wolf instead of town.
There's no particular reason to think Tranq showed up at day end and saw Nicole getting wagoned, just said "shougunai" and bussed, he was playing townie all along.
Do you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:10 pmLeetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 8:50 pmI think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.
After going through Nicole's ISO again, it seems pretty clear they were not unhappy with attacking leetic throughout. Cast shade pretty early on, mused about jumping on the wagon, and then of course voted there before dipping.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:12 pmDo you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:10 pmLeetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 8:50 pmI think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.
Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority
this is kinda a hard read to verbalize but i dont really like the way that trekkie lumps dm & nicole into the same bucket in this postTrekkie99 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 7:26 am Gun to head I would vote IHNI ayyyyyy gottem
It would not be DM or Nicole I know that buuuuuuuuut at the same time I could see the angle on either of them but I don’t wanna cause they’re the only players I can actually read, and I mean that as presently in this game and not just in general
on the flipside i think that dubz has been more towny today, this + their posts on the last page feel like real solving attempts to meDubz wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 10:35 am DM kinda threw a tantrum on pg 14 that I think was coming from a townie perspective
I usually wouldn't give much cred to Wilgy's vote for nicole, but I'm still trying to figure out how to interpret the later votes in the context of her ability - would teammates be more inclined to get the bussing cred, or to try to save her for a time where they'd be more likely to get the benefit of her ability. Hard to say without knowing bussing metas. I personally would gave gone for the latter so for the moment some points to idk...everyone who ended up there?
I don't love this pop-in.
And I kinda hate this in contextleetic wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 4:14 am I'm not really feeling the two "counterwagons" all that much either. Rondo just has too little posts for me to care much about that slot. Mainly switching to [VOTE: Duelist Mirage] aubergine because of their vote history having an opportunistic vote on me then switching to another popular wagon (Rondo) that was unlikely to defend themselves but I'll have to dig deeper
low, sleepy rawr
It will soon be time for me to retire to the bottom of the ocean once more for a yasumi
A lot about epig looks like refuge in audacity so he's kinda attracting a lot of controversy to himself which...Might or might not be mafia.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:12 pmDo you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:10 pmLeetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 8:50 pmI think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.
Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority
Why does nobody have a strong read on Epig today? They're squarely in the middle of the post count, it's not like they've been absent, and they were a primary counterwagon on day 1.
Sorry this cross-posted as I was typing.Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:48 pmA lot about epig looks like refuge in audacity so he's kinda attracting a lot of controversy to himself which...Might or might not be mafia.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:12 pmDo you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:10 pmLeetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 8:50 pmI think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.
Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority
Don't really see why he'd straight up use that as an opener though so that leans more towards it being town.
He really wants to look like he doesn't give a fuck I guess. Might be a not town aligned force but not necessarily mafia either.
does anyone remember roughly what the votecount was at the time that nicole made this vote? specifically im wondering if the leetic/epi wagons were tied or notNicoleAndDime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2026 11:01 pm Yeah leetic is feeling survivalistic here and I don't really like them just bemoaning the wagon on them. I actually feel quite a bit better about this wagon than earlier.
[VOTE: Leetic ] aubergine
Anyway gotta bounce for rest of day prolly, maybe can check in once more in like an hour.
Translator3000, how do the Japanese say, "If you're paying attention to the few things I have already said, why are you acting surprised at this, you wet paper bags!?"
@jess see this post if you'd like to see the wagonomics near EOD1. Yes, Epig/leetic were tiedGoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2026 12:09 pm So here are the wagonomics movements yesterday towards EOD:
Here is the VC at the top of page 13 (2150 EDT, ~8h until EOD), just before nutella says she wants the Nicole wagon to come back. The Nicole wagon had just disassembled as nutella had come off of Nicole onto me and then epig, and there was some discussion about how large the leetic wagon was getting.Here it is at 2300 EDT (~7h until EOD) at top of page 14, right as Nicole drops her vote on leetic and bounces. In retrospect, this is a pretty savage outcome for her as she almost certainly thought she was safe as she was going to bed with no votes and 5/4 wagons on leetic and Epig.Spoiler: show
Around 0130 EDT (top of page 15, 4.5h until EOD). The nutella block starts shifting from Epig to Nicole. Others have pointed this out, but Duelist is pushing back pretty hard against this shift. Interestingly, Scotty votes for pyxxy, then joins pyxxy on Rondo, and DM flaps around over in that direction after stopping briefly on Epig.Spoiler: show
And this is the VC at the top of page 16 (around 0300, 3h from EOD). It's a 4-way tie, but Wilgy's vote on Nicole and aggressive wolf-read leads to that wagon really taking off. Long Con and Epig were both coming for DM.Spoiler: show
And this is the final VC. As Nicole's wagon is building, I notice jess and leetic kind of commenting about being sus of a wagon building up on d1. Leetic brings the DM wagon to 6/4, which could be a last gasp to try and bring a counterwagon forward? Tranq then votes Nicole, with the justification that they think DM is town. Looking back, it appears that Nicole actually voted vivax, so it's possible they never actually moved their vote earlier when they said they were moving to leetic.Spoiler: show
ETA: correctionSpoiler: show
He doesn't want you to find him. You'll have to flip him for that. All that lab crap isn't even meaningful. I could dump a chunk of dough into a bowl and call it a lab.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:52 pmSorry this cross-posted as I was typing.Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:48 pmA lot about epig looks like refuge in audacity so he's kinda attracting a lot of controversy to himself which...Might or might not be mafia.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:12 pmDo you have an opinion on Epig? or if you've talked about him could you point me in that direction?Vivax wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 9:10 pmLeetic just barely avoided being the yeet and should have more information than others knowing his own alignment but he's lacking in impulse to solve instead.GoSpursGo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 27, 2026 8:50 pmI think this is fair. To me, I'm a little more sus of Epig than leetic just because Nicole did bother to drop a vote on leetic (theoretically) and avoided Epig, and I'm not sure it makes sense for her to bus when she's in no apparent danger at that point. And I feel like leetic's contributions have on the whole been more towny. But they're not clear (and it could just be both, which would of course be amazing work)
It's like the motivating factor just passed by him. It's scummy.
Didn't even find him particularly scummy before this day. And he's been around, clearly.
In my opinion, anyway.
Again, I agree with the fundamental premise that leetic isn't clear, I'm just saying based on what I've seen Epig looks like a higher priority
Don't really see why he'd straight up use that as an opener though so that leans more towards it being town.
He really wants to look like he doesn't give a fuck I guess. Might be a not town aligned force but not necessarily mafia either.
I could see this opinion. Personally, I am still a pretty loud wolf so "attracting attention" doesn't automatically mean town to me.
It's just not even the audacity, but ever since the nicole flip there's been a total lack of engagement. I guess there was a cover in that they would be in the lab this weekend, but still, there's just nothing there helping me find him.
