The Syndicate

DFaraday wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I feel like Scotty's argument for wanting to lynch (or more to the point expressing that sentiment) a no show is something I've seen scum do before at this point of the game. When a mafia aligned player is at sea early game without having been able to start a conflict with anybody (the usual driving force behind successful blending) lynch a lurker or policy lynch somebody is often the carrion cry. His interest in doing so was made to feel even less genuine when he said he specifically didn't want to do it to Equivocate for being new and left only lovedelic as an option, who is also new. His argument that he knows lovedelic is not new to Mafia by virtue of him having played with him on RYM is also sketchy on account of lovedelic only having played one complete game on RYM before, I'd consider that new and he's damn sure new to the syndicate. So Scotty knew he was new.

Dom then went on to point out that Scotty "needs concrete info" ... I actually love Dom's point. Scotty doesn't want to lynch MP because he needs concrete info, but earlier he wanted to lynch lovedelic who hasn't even posted.

I think you've raised some good points. As a typically low poster myself, I'm wary of anyone who uses "not talking" as a reason to vote someone. In my experience, a player who has teammates is more likely to contribute, so I don't see the logic here in going after low posters. Any ping at all is better than no ping (which is what you have when they literally haven't said anything).

I will be at work all day tomorrow, so I can't check in again before the poll closes. I'll go ahead and *vote Scotty*

MacDougall wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I feel like Scotty's argument for wanting to lynch (or more to the point expressing that sentiment) a no show is something I've seen scum do before at this point of the game. When a mafia aligned player is at sea early game without having been able to start a conflict with anybody (the usual driving force behind successful blending) lynch a lurker or policy lynch somebody is often the carrion cry. His interest in doing so was made to feel even less genuine when he said he specifically didn't want to do it to Equivocate for being new and left only lovedelic as an option, who is also new. His argument that he knows lovedelic is not new to Mafia by virtue of him having played with him on RYM is also sketchy on account of lovedelic only having played one complete game on RYM before, I'd consider that new and he's damn sure new to the syndicate. So Scotty knew he was new.

Dom then went on to point out that Scotty "needs concrete info" ... I actually love Dom's point. Scotty doesn't want to lynch MP because he needs concrete info, but earlier he wanted to lynch lovedelic who hasn't even posted.

I think you've raised some good points. As a typically low poster myself, I'm wary of anyone who uses "not talking" as a reason to vote someone. In my experience, a player who has teammates is more likely to contribute, so I don't see the logic here in going after low posters. Any ping at all is better than no ping (which is what you have when they literally haven't said anything).

I will be at work all day tomorrow, so I can't check in again before the poll closes. I'll go ahead and *vote Scotty*

I am not used to this.

Turnip Head wrote:Yeah I've seen baddies call for lynching inactives before, I've also seen civs do it. IMO it is irrational civ behavior because I get the sentiment but it's not helpful. I find Matt's behavior more concerning and would vote for him over Scotty atm.

Turnip Head wrote:I thought it was out of character for him to get upset over people disagreeing with him or finding his POV suspicious.

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I thought it was out of character for him to get upset over people disagreeing with him or finding his POV suspicious.

And the possibility of Matt being out of character is more compelling than the points raised against Scotty?

Turnip Head wrote:

MacDougall wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I thought it was out of character for him to get upset over people disagreeing with him or finding his POV suspicious.

And the possibility of Matt being out of character is more compelling than the points raised against Scotty?

I'm pretty sure I already said that it is and even explained why I think so.

S~V~S wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Are you suspicious of Glorfindel SVS?

I am not sure, tbh. I was just intrigued by his reaction to having read the thread. There was alot of tunnel type stuff and some quite a bit of tension at some points going on, and he only noted one thing, and his opinion on that seemed a bit one dimensional.

His reply was very well crafted; and tbh, it felt kind of *crafted* to me, if you get my feeling~ designed to appease. I can't be anywhere near sure at this point; he is unfailingly polite and I don't know him well, so have no basis of comparison. SO my initial thought, intrigued, best fits my feelings at this time, I think.

Do you have an opinion?

S~V~S wrote:formy atrocious typing

sprityo wrote:A good detective shouldn't ignore even the smallest of clues

a2thezebra wrote:Let me make it clear right now that I refuse to support the lynch of a low poster.

Enrique wrote:

sig wrote:I was saying I also found it scummy that Enrique said Golden was a baddie for wanting to hunt mafia and not just the Inmates.

This made me facepalm and it's just so terribly worded to make me look bad. I said Golden was a baddie for wanting to hunt mafia and not just the inmates? Really? Is that how you perceive me?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Let me make it clear right now that I refuse to support the lynch of a low poster.

I find this odd coming from you since in the past you have been for lynching low posters.

You're obviously referring to Star Wars. For one, I was a baddie then. Two, I disagree that I was lynching low posters or even advocating the lynch of low posters. I think you got that impression because I did an ISO of every player on Day 1 to appear supatown with GTH reads on each one, but even then with most of the lower posters that I read as bad (and I read a lot of the higher posters as bad as well) I said with each one of them that I could easily change my mind because my thoughts on them came from such little content at that time, and in most cases that turned out to be true. Hell, one of the low posters that I read as bad was my teammate DrWilgy, and he was the only one I was really vocal about possibly advocating a lynch for later in the game.

I understand that but the thing that's bothering me this game with you is how you keep going out your way to say " I was bad when I did that" . I think it's typical baddie behavior to point out how they are playing the game different this game. If that makes any sense.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Can I get an outsider's opinion on what I'm seeing in zebra's game.

MacDougall wrote:I feel like Scotty's argument for wanting to lynch (or more to the point expressing that sentiment) a no show is something I've seen scum do before at this point of the game. When a mafia aligned player is at sea early game without having been able to start a conflict with anybody (the usual driving force behind successful blending) lynch a lurker or policy lynch somebody is often the carrion cry. His interest in doing so was made to feel even less genuine when he said he specifically didn't want to do it to Equivocate for being new and left only lovedelic as an option, who is also new. His argument that he knows lovedelic is not new to Mafia by virtue of him having played with him on RYM is also sketchy on account of lovedelic only having played one complete game on RYM before, I'd consider that new and he's damn sure new to the syndicate. So Scotty knew he was new.

Dom then went on to point out that Scotty "needs concrete info" ... I actually love Dom's point. Scotty doesn't want to lynch MP because he needs concrete info, but earlier he wanted to lynch lovedelic who hasn't even posted.

S~V~S wrote:How would someone be able to bring up stats to back up an opinion like that? While I don't agree that that is always bad, I do know that a lot of people believe it since I know *someone* always says that to me when I contrast my bad and good games.

Do you suspect Bass for thinking this?

Enrique wrote:btw they loved me

Glorfindel wrote:

sig wrote:I'm null on Glorfindel right now, but have been pinged by him.

Have you now, my friend? Whilst I may not be familiar with the playstyles of a lot of people in this game, I am with yours. By you own admission (on multiple occasions) you have stated that you prefer to play Mafia and feel that you perform far better in such roles. From my experience, that is undeniably true. Looking to a recent example (Pikmin Mafia) where you were a Townie your performance was awful leading you to an early lynching that game. I'm not getting those vibes from you this game - I feel a pervading sense of self-assurance about your posts that concerns me a little. I'm not quite sure what to make of you persistent push to discuss the map... I'd be curious about other's opinions on Sig's posts so far.

DharmaHelper wrote:All I am going to say about my location is that Epignosis has an ear for Voice Acting talent.

DFaraday wrote:

MacDougall wrote:I feel like Scotty's argument for wanting to lynch (or more to the point expressing that sentiment) a no show is something I've seen scum do before at this point of the game. When a mafia aligned player is at sea early game without having been able to start a conflict with anybody (the usual driving force behind successful blending) lynch a lurker or policy lynch somebody is often the carrion cry. His interest in doing so was made to feel even less genuine when he said he specifically didn't want to do it to Equivocate for being new and left only lovedelic as an option, who is also new. His argument that he knows lovedelic is not new to Mafia by virtue of him having played with him on RYM is also sketchy on account of lovedelic only having played one complete game on RYM before, I'd consider that new and he's damn sure new to the syndicate. So Scotty knew he was new.

Dom then went on to point out that Scotty "needs concrete info" ... I actually love Dom's point. Scotty doesn't want to lynch MP because he needs concrete info, but earlier he wanted to lynch lovedelic who hasn't even posted.

I think you've raised some good points. As a typically low poster myself, I'm wary of anyone who uses "not talking" as a reason to vote someone. In my experience, a player who has teammates is more likely to contribute, so I don't see the logic here in going after low posters. Any ping at all is better than no ping (which is what you have when they literally haven't said anything).

I will be at work all day tomorrow, so I can't check in again before the poll closes. I'll go ahead and *vote Scotty*

MacDougall wrote:MP on the other hand... he's flown under my radar here so far. As I've mentioned before I've been pretty well skimming posts looking for tone pings or really standout things and MP hasn't flagged me.

Golden wrote:

MacDougall wrote:MP on the other hand... he's flown under my radar here so far. As I've mentioned before I've been pretty well skimming posts looking for tone pings or really standout things and MP hasn't flagged me.

Willing to take a specific pass of MP for me and let me know what you think when you are thinking about him?

Golden wrote:Without quoting it all, I like TH's point on SVS. Although I'm terrible at reading her generally.

I also don't find Scotty to be shifty. Or shitty.

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Are you suspicious of Glorfindel SVS?

I am not sure, tbh. I was just intrigued by his reaction to having read the thread. There was alot of tunnel type stuff and some quite a bit of tension at some points going on, and he only noted one thing, and his opinion on that seemed a bit one dimensional.

His reply was very well crafted; and tbh, it felt kind of *crafted* to me, if you get my feeling~ designed to appease. I can't be anywhere near sure at this point; he is unfailingly polite and I don't know him well, so have no basis of comparison. SO my initial thought, intrigued, best fits my feelings at this time, I think.

Do you have an opinion?

Glorfindel was much the same in Star Wars. Unfailingly polite. He felt frustrated being suspected for being, essentially, nice (at least, that was my take on his frustration). He was replaced by Daisy, who I think turned out to be bad. But I have the sense that the nice, polite Glorfindel will be seen in all affiliations.

Glorfindel wrote:I do drop by and check on this thread at different times throughout the day and I've noticed on a number of occasions that Magnus (Nerolunar) is often on at the same time yet he seldom seems to post I think very highly of the guy outside of this game and the posts of his that I've read here have been insightful - I'd just like to read more...

Sorsha wrote:Glorfindel- is that normal for nerolunar? To be around but not posting?

Turnip Head wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Typhoony wrote:Are you suspicious of Glorfindel SVS?

I am not sure, tbh. I was just intrigued by his reaction to having read the thread. There was alot of tunnel type stuff and some quite a bit of tension at some points going on, and he only noted one thing, and his opinion on that seemed a bit one dimensional.

His reply was very well crafted; and tbh, it felt kind of *crafted* to me, if you get my feeling~ designed to appease. I can't be anywhere near sure at this point; he is unfailingly polite and I don't know him well, so have no basis of comparison. SO my initial thought, intrigued, best fits my feelings at this time, I think.

Do you have an opinion?

That's funny, because that's kinda how I felt with a post you made just before this one I'll spoiler the post:

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:Well, 20 pages in and I'm not much the wiser. I don't know a lot of the players here (well, not well anyway) but from the time I have spent here, I'd draw one conclusion. I played with Zebra in Star Wars and I saw a really slick performance from a very confident operator who always seemed in control. In Pikmin, I saw Zebra as a very transparent Townie who was picked off early by the twin forces of evil and ignorance. This game, I'm getting Pikmin vibes from her again. She's playing demonstrably differently to how she did in Star Wars and while it's possible that she is simply using her extraordinary ability to pull the wool over my eyes, I'm inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. I'm simply not getting bad vibes from her at this stage.

a2thezebra wrote:Like, I don't articulate myself very well very often. Fine. But I fucking try. I try to get people to understand and if anyone has a concern no matter how many or how much, I try to address them, even if I feel like it's something I've already addressed and explained as many times in as many different ways as I can conceive of. But when I feel like the same isn't being done for me, it kills my motivation to keep putting in this effort. Because where is it getting me?

I don't understand how someone can spend an hour and a half writing a post addressed to someone to explain their suspicion of them and not only have it not acknowledged but then that person has the nerve to demand that the person that put in that effort start answering their questions as if they haven't already done that, while constantly misrepresenting that person.

I know this is probably a stupid thing to say but you sound really frustrated here Zebra. I understand why and try not to worry - not everyone is oblivious to your efforts. Whilst it'd be a disaster if you were Mafia, I think you're a huge asset to us if you're not and I for one would like to give you the the chance to help us win this

So you read the whole thread? Awesome

Fresh eyes are a good thing. I see you have strong opinions on this one situation; do you have any thoughts on Enrique vs Golden? Golden played Star Wars. What about Mac & TH? Did it read like a slip to you? All of these things took over the thread for a time. You have commented fairly in depth on one; I would appreciate your thoughts on the others.

While I am still waffled on Zebra, I feel pretty much the opposite to you regarding Matt. Having just hosted him bad, I will say that him jumping out the gate and speaking his mind is very par for the course for civ Matt. He knows he may frustrate people, but he dowesn't just speak his piece, he OWNS his piece. He takes that piece andhe does the cha cha on it. Bad Matt was a bitmore cautious about going full out until endgame. Not seeing that here.

I was also fairly involved in that situation, at least at the beginning. Any opinion on me? My thoughts on Zebra were pretty much really similar to Matts. Since your one towen read, Zebra, and your one bad read, Matt, come from the same situation, I would be interested in hearing your opinion as well.

Taking a break was good, and the second half of Day Zero with my unchangeable vote already made seemed like a good time [/hissy]

I did not and do not find anything odd about THs word choices. I have seen people lambasted for "trying too hard" by saying "we", and also seen them attacked for saying "they", like, "Oh aren't you a civ, that you talk about 'them' in the third person?". And his reaction was more inline with what I would expect from him as a civ. He would have been smoother & shrugged it off more had he been bad, I think.

That said, I trust Macs tone reads, in the games I have played with him, I have seen him to have a good gut. So not particularly suspecting TH, but will keep more of an eye on him than I may have done. I am not one to discuss who I trust, but if I did have oneof those lists, while TH would not be the top name, hewould be very far from the bottom. Mac, too, really.

Now that you have done so, Glorfindel, I need to reread the thread some today to clear out my preconceived notions.

I know that carefully crafting posts and appeasing others are things that are in YOUR baddie wheelhouse SVS, as opposed to just winging it as a civ, so maybe it's genuine for you to call Glorfy out on that... but I think it's noteworthy that those same things could be said of your post. That said, you defended my honor in that post which you didn't have to do (and also appeased Mac's gut ) so if your intention was to appease me, you have mostly succeeded

I agree with you that baddie Matt lurked in the shadows most of the time he was bad in GoC, but I also agree with Glorfindel that there's something different abut his behavior here. Matt seemed genuinely frustrated and upset at both Zebra and the players not agreeing with him, and he let that seep into his tone more than I'm accustomed to seeing from him. I don't know what it means about his role, if anything at all, but it's a side of Matt I haven't seen before. He's usually so happy-go-lucky.

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Turnip Head wrote:I thought it was out of character for him to get upset over people disagreeing with him or finding his POV suspicious.

S~V~S wrote:And guys, is that really how you all see me? As an appeaser?

Golden wrote:

S~V~S wrote:formy atrocious typing

Oh SVS, this is just...

Nerolunar wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And guys, is that really how you all see me? As an appeaser?

Not my initial impression.

Nerolunar wrote: I wish Bullzeye, Bubbles and Floyd would post more. Im interested in hearing some thoughts from them.

Bullzeye wrote:

Nerolunar wrote: I wish Bullzeye, Bubbles and Floyd would post more. Im interested in hearing some thoughts from them.

I don't know if I like being lumped in with those two. I may be a low poster but I now have seven times as many posts as either of them do and did say before the game began that I'd be missing the first few days. I didn't actually expect to be home until today, but work stuff came up so I came back early. I've made an effort to get myself involved and find some investment since I got back whereas Bubbles and Floyd seem not to have made an effort at all.

Nerolunar wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Nerolunar wrote: I wish Bullzeye, Bubbles and Floyd would post more. Im interested in hearing some thoughts from them.

I don't know if I like being lumped in with those two. I may be a low poster but I now have seven times as many posts as either of them do and did say before the game began that I'd be missing the first few days. I didn't actually expect to be home until today, but work stuff came up so I came back early. I've made an effort to get myself involved and find some investment since I got back whereas Bubbles and Floyd seem not to have made an effort at all.

I might have glanced over you then. Sorry about that.

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And guys, is that really how you all see me? As an appeaser?

Not my initial impression.

Thank You! I like you already

End of Day is shown in the poll. It is 8:30 PM eastern. You are in Europe, I believe? Western Europe is a 6 hour shift, so 2:30 AM your time I believe. Do you have theboard set to your time zone?

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And guys, is that really how you all see me? As an appeaser?

Not my initial impression.

Thank You! I like you already

End of Day is shown in the poll. It is 8:30 PM eastern. You are in Europe, I believe? Western Europe is a 6 hour shift, so 2:30 AM your time I believe. Do you have theboard set to your time zone?

If I may? I seem to have a problem with my time zone. I have it set to AEST in the Board Preferences (which is correct) but the timing on the posts on the thread appear to be on AEDT

Bullzeye wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And guys, is that really how you all see me? As an appeaser?

Not my initial impression.

Thank You! I like you already

End of Day is shown in the poll. It is 8:30 PM eastern. You are in Europe, I believe? Western Europe is a 6 hour shift, so 2:30 AM your time I believe. Do you have theboard set to your time zone?

If I may? I seem to have a problem with my time zone. I have it set to AEST in the Board Preferences (which is correct) but the timing on the posts on the thread appear to be on AEDT

You probably need to change your daylight saving time settings.

Glorfindel wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Nerolunar wrote:

S~V~S wrote:And guys, is that really how you all see me? As an appeaser?

Not my initial impression.

Thank You! I like you already

End of Day is shown in the poll. It is 8:30 PM eastern. You are in Europe, I believe? Western Europe is a 6 hour shift, so 2:30 AM your time I believe. Do you have theboard set to your time zone?

If I may? I seem to have a problem with my time zone. I have it set to AEST in the Board Preferences (which is correct) but the timing on the posts on the thread appear to be on AEDT

You probably need to change your daylight saving time settings.

I beg your pardon?