The Syndicate

Yeah I figured it out <3

Sorry I got pissy:)

I'm sorry for the delay. There was an incident at the store that I had to deal with. (Someone came in and accused one of my drivers of hitting them.) I had to walk my am through the safety and security incident.

It's all good in the hood. I just had like 3 major phone calls about work half lit. Lol.

S~V~S wrote: YOu ate the person Imost expected to be able to see me for what I am.

I hereby nominate this as my favorite typo in this game.

indiglo wrote:

S~V~S wrote: YOu ate the person Imost expected to be able to see me for what I am.

I hereby nominate this as my favorite typo in this game.

hysterical. :wub: to SVS.

S~V~S wrote:That's awful

Last month wehad a customer, an asian woman, accuse one of our service guys of racism. it's a hard postion; you can't call a customer a liar or corporate will have your skin, but you KNOW your guy did not do that.

So just because she's Asian, she's automatically a liar? Nice...

It's mostly resolved so I'm not nearly as stressed as I was an hour ago. Also - I've had more crown royal. I have a small bar in the apt and Diggz and I are in our jammies and I'm making cocktails! woot!

And that typo is awesomesauce. It makes me miss my old crackberry with the broken return key.

Is a no you accusation the only thing you have svs? Just because I might be wrong doesn't make me bad. I never come after you in games for no reason, I feel like my case is justified and my points are solid. If you are really a civ you'd be trying to help us find who the Mafia are, not just doing a no you.

I thought you were bad for trying to discourage a Scotty lynch in favor of B &N and then being dismissive about the win con's, before you suspected me.

It has nothing to do with coming for me. If anything that makes you look better to me.

The forced vote on me doesn't help tbh.

Your opinions on Sloonei, LC and Wilgy?

I suspect S~V~S often for a number of reasons, but soft defenses isn't one of them. Is that really what has earned her five votes or is there more to it?

I'm reading this as genuine S~V~S.

Well one appears to be a forced vote. If I floated down from heaven an Jesus' side, Eloh would still distrust me. The rest meh.

I like how Elohcin is claiming that no matter what she does I will still suspect her (even though she hasn't even come close to defending herself once in the entire game) even though that's the attitude she's gone out of her way to apply to you. I don't buy it.

S~V~S wrote:The forced vote on me doesn't help tbh.

Your opinions on Sloonei, LC and Wilgy?

I've not seen sloonei do anything that makes me suspect him, but this is the very first time I've played with him, so I'm not sure what to expect out of him.

Between LC and Wilgy I feel worse about Wilgy for reasons.

I was not happy about the force vote btw.

bea wrote:

S~V~S wrote:The forced vote on me doesn't help tbh.

Your opinions on Sloonei, LC and Wilgy?

I've not seen sloonei do anything that makes me suspect him, but this is the very first time I've played with him, so I'm not sure what to expect out of him.

Between LC and Wilgy I feel worse about Wilgy for reasons.

I was not happy about the force vote btw.

tbh - re: sloonei - I kinda felt like MP was vouching for him early on and I thought they might be partners so I never looked too hard into him because there is so much civ bts. I figured surely some civs would keep that under their hats, some civs not so much. MP, I think would be in the not so much category. Matt dying so quickly makes it hard for me to determine if I still think it. When he replaced in, I was actually hoping to see the same sort of defense of Sloonie.

a2thezebra wrote:I like how Elohcin is claiming that no matter what she does I will still suspect her (even though she hasn't even come close to defending herself once in the entire game) even though that's the attitude she's gone out of her way to apply to you. I don't buy it.

This is more than fair zeebs.

That said, my gut still sees civ eloh. I don't *think* I'm epi this game defending the baddie while she joyously wins the game and plays with the kiddos, but yea. She, matt, and svs are all people I've had the pleasure of both civ and mafia bts with. I don't think it's baddie eloh cuz gut.

Your thread reasons for suspecting her are valid and I see where you are coming from, but I just need more before I can see her as bad. I don't even know what that more is, tbh. I just haven't seen it yet.

S~V~S wrote:The forced vote on me doesn't help tbh.

Your opinions on Sloonei, LC and Wilgy?

Whether you are good or bad I'm looking at LC & wilgy next. Atm, gut feels have me thinking wilgy is the good one and LC is pulling something but I really need to review everything they have both said on this Natasha and forced votes thing first. I don't think wilgy is bad if you are. I'd think more you & LC as a team.

Sloonei seems ok to me right now.

Blooper has followed my vote most days it seems, so I'm getting a bit suspicious of her also.

a2thezebra wrote:I suspect S~V~S often for a number of reasons, but soft defenses isn't one of them. Is that really what has earned her five votes or is there more to it?

I'm reading this as genuine S~V~S.

She did the same thing in AWR with Juliets, who was her Mafia teammate.

So... I don't think SVS and Scotty interacted behind the scenes meaning the chances of her being bad are much less than others.

Can players who feel LC>Wilgy in our shindig. Would you please care to explain why?

SVS, do you care to comment on my recent post regarding your thoughts on me?

Voting for Sorsha for now.

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Check out SVS's iso, from yesterday in particular. She defended Scotty near lynch time which is the basis for my vote on her today.

At the end of the day if Scotty is the one lynched I'll be happy, but I don't want to waste the day by not talking about other suspects.

Wait, this implicates SVS while Scotty is still unconfirmed?

Sorsha, you are bad.

My suspicion on Sorsha goes back to this. I feel like this attack was preemptive. Starting before we even knew Scotty's alignment. Planning on following up after Scotty's flip, Sorsha set SVS up for an easy lynch following Scotty's fall.

Even looking at Scotty's and Sorsha's interaction from previous. Hindsight, It was almost as if she was wanting to blow off Scotty's lynching until later, even though she supposedly knew SVS was bad based on her interactions with the not yet confirmed Scotty.

A point that I don't like is "This player was killed because of ___" it's easy for a baddie to use the kill and then false case build off it. It can give a baddie total control of the flow of a game if we base our lynchings on Mafia NK's.

I just really don't think SVS is Natasha or Boris. I don't think SVS would beat around the bush defending a teammate (who has a second life) then 180 on them.

bea, are you claiming a forced vote in the current lynch? I didn't know that was allowed, but if you are, then may I ask if you know which role forced your vote?

Long Con wrote:bea, are you claiming a forced vote in the current lynch? I didn't know that was allowed, but if you are, then may I ask if you know which role forced your vote?

Spooky. LC I don't think that's allowed either and we shouldn't probe into that until night or until Llama give the hokey pokey.

DrWilgy wrote:So... I don't think SVS and Scotty interacted behind the scenes meaning the chances of her being bad are much less than others.

Can players who feel LC>Wilgy in our shindig. Would you please care to explain why?

SVS, do you care to comment on my recent post regarding your thoughts on me?

Voting for Sorsha for now.

I think I've been pretty clear about why I stand where I do re: LC vs you. Do you need me to explain it more? I will cross the lines the host has already warned us about if I must.

Or was that for peeps not me?

linki - yes. I was not happy with my svs vote. Hence my pouty.

You and wilgy have already got a host warning - what do you want me to say that I've not - I think - already implied??

I have an unsubstantiated gut feeling that zebra is bad again.

DrWilgy wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Check out SVS's iso, from yesterday in particular. She defended Scotty near lynch time which is the basis for my vote on her today.

At the end of the day if Scotty is the one lynched I'll be happy, but I don't want to waste the day by not talking about other suspects.

Wait, this implicates SVS while Scotty is still unconfirmed?

Sorsha, you are bad.

My suspicion on Sorsha goes back to this. I feel like this attack was preemptive. Starting before we even knew Scotty's alignment. Planning on following up after Scotty's flip, Sorsha set SVS up for an easy lynch following Scotty's fall.

Even looking at Scotty's and Sorsha's interaction from previous. Hindsight, It was almost as if she was wanting to blow off Scotty's lynching until later, even though she supposedly knew SVS was bad based on her interactions with the not yet confirmed Scotty.

A point that I don't like is "This player was killed because of ___" it's easy for a baddie to use the kill and then false case build off it. It can give a baddie total control of the flow of a game if we base our lynchings on Mafia NK's.

Was there much doubt to Scottys alignment? Or if there was doubt no one cared, he was either fearless leader or Nell.

I still wish he was alive now because we'd be able to possibly spot teammate interactions from him. I think his teammates would be the first ones to want him lynched the next day because it makes them look good and they don't have to worry about giving anything away related to Scotty. And they don't have to worry about him giving them away.

But whoa, I see SVS is suddenly in the lead. I'll have to think about how that makes me feel. I might pass out and not wake up until right around the deadline soon so I'm not sure how much I can get done the rest of this phase.

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:bea, are you claiming a forced vote in the current lynch? I didn't know that was allowed, but if you are, then may I ask if you know which role forced your vote?

Spooky. LC I don't think that's allowed either and we shouldn't probe into that until night or until Llama give the hokey pokey.

Ok, fair enough. I wasn't asking her to reproduce a Host PM, which is the wording of Rule #4. If it was what you are saying, then I would absolutely forego asking such questions if our funkytown host would clarify what we should not talk about.

1. Whether or not our vote is, or was ever, forced
2. Which role, Natasha or Narrator, did the forcing
3. Whether or not there was any info in the PM that is noteworthy

Thus far in the game, it has been fine to let the public know if our vote was forced in a previous lynch. I don't know, but I don't recall, any rule that says we can't let the public know our vote is being forced in the current lynch.

We can't reproduce Host PMs - I take that to mean we can't copy-paste Host PMs, not that we can't discuss the content at all. If that's the case... I just would feel more comfortable with some hard, clear rules around the whole topic. I do not want to violate the letter or the spirit of the game, and I also don't want to avoid discussing things that are both legal to discuss, and helpfully important

S~V~S wrote:Sloonei, Sorsha & Elohcin so far.

I feel OK about Elohcin. She should have stuck to her original thoughts & trusted me though. Sorsha is bad. Sloonei... he also was against lynching FL. But one of Wilgy/LC have to be lying. So less sure about that.

wait, what? My entire game before today was repeating "lynch Scotty" ad nauseum until enough people finally jumped on board. I don't remember ever making a single comment about the merits of lynching or not lynching Fearless Leader. For the record, though, I am always in complete favor of lynching a bad guy when we have the chance

Sorsha's big casing post against you instilled me with enough confidence to not want to change my vote. The one big multi-colored post where you waffle all over Scotty looks too bad to ignore. Sorry if I'm wrong.

I also still don't think "one of LC or Wilgy is lying" has to be true. Right now I think they're both telling the truth, unless I'm misreadinng something.
LC claims to have been seduced and scrooched day 3, right? And Wilgy claims to have been seduced Day 4? Whatever potential differences exist in the alleged and off-limits Host PM do not strike me as necessarily contradictory. I am leaning town on both of them right now.

Sloonei wrote:But whoa, I see SVS is suddenly in the lead. I'll have to think about how that makes me feel. I might pass out and not wake up until right around the deadline soon so I'm not sure how much I can get done the rest of this phase.

I don't like bloopers vote on there tbh. And bea is implying she was forced. You, me and eloh have at least expressed suspicion on her.

Long con has not commented on svs at all this game nor given any read on the posts of hers I pulled earlier despite being on since I made them.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:bea, are you claiming a forced vote in the current lynch? I didn't know that was allowed, but if you are, then may I ask if you know which role forced your vote?

Spooky. LC I don't think that's allowed either and we shouldn't probe into that until night or until Llama give the hokey pokey.

Ok, fair enough. I wasn't asking her to reproduce a Host PM, which is the wording of Rule #4. If it was what you are saying, then I would absolutely forego asking such questions if our funkytown host would clarify what we should not talk about.

1. Whether or not our vote is, or was ever, forced
2. Which role, Natasha or Narrator, did the forcing
3. Whether or not there was any info in the PM that is noteworthy

Thus far in the game, it has been fine to let the public know if our vote was forced in a previous lynch. I don't know, but I don't recall, any rule that says we can't let the public know our vote is being forced in the current lynch.

We can't reproduce Host PMs - I take that to mean we can't copy-paste Host PMs, not that we can't discuss the content at all. If that's the case... I just wou

this tbh I thought I was working within fair constructs of the game. I thought everyone else who had been force voted had signaled some way during their vote they had been forced.

I'm trying not to break rules and play within the constructs of the game. IF I've broken rules, I'm very sorry.

I fucked up that qoute so bad.

Sorsha wrote:

Sloonei wrote:But whoa, I see SVS is suddenly in the lead. I'll have to think about how that makes me feel. I might pass out and not wake up until right around the deadline soon so I'm not sure how much I can get done the rest of this phase.

I don't like bloopers vote on there tbh. And bea is implying she was forced. You, me and eloh have at least expressed suspicion on her.

fwiw sorsha -I've not read svs as bad

bea wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Sloonei wrote:But whoa, I see SVS is suddenly in the lead. I'll have to think about how that makes me feel. I might pass out and not wake up until right around the deadline soon so I'm not sure how much I can get done the rest of this phase.

I don't like bloopers vote on there tbh. And bea is implying she was forced. You, me and eloh have at least expressed suspicion on her.

fwiw sorsha -I've not read svs as bad

Interesting. I still don't think I'll change it though. Zebra is my second choice for reasons that I can't presently articulate, and I don't think there's any chance of sparking a bandwagon against her there, so I'm sticking with SVS.

I would like your thoughts on zeebs when you can give them. She's seemed in the ?? mark part of my reads this game.

Sorsha wrote:Long con has not commented on svs at all this game nor given any read on the posts of hers I pulled earlier despite being on since I made them.

Forgive me... I actually thought your case about S~V~S and Scotty was really good. I just have my own thing I'm trying to work out, and if bea is forced to vote S~V~S, then I don't think it's likely that S~V~S is bad.

Of course, I didn't think Scotty was bad, based on the fact that Natasha tried to force me to vote for him. Of course, I was wrong, and the baddie strategy is one that fooled my logic circuits.

Unless there is some way that a Super Secret Power can duplicate things, as in making Natasha be able to seduce two people in a night, then Wilgy is lying. I don't feel like pursuing any other theories until he's lynched, because, well, he's definitely bad, and S~V~S is simply being made to look bad by a believable case. I think that a Wilgy lynch will reveal a baddie, which will likely factor into any other case that could be made, including yours on S~V~S.

It's just backward to me to lynch S~V~S first, when Wilgy is a solid lock. Natasha didn't have to reveal to me at all that it was her that was trying to control my vote, but she did. That was probably a mistake, in retrospect, but it is what happened.

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Wilgy's vote has the appearance of maybe being forced by the narrator/Natasha. I don't recall him every expressing any suspicion against me.

Lol, compare it to my previous votes

has the narrator targeted you every day?

Every

Single


Day

Was this post discussed yet?

There's a no double targeting rule so I'm not sure how wilgy could have been targeted so many times consecutively by the same role.

Too soon for a rezz? I don't think I've ever been rezzed.

Sorsha wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Wilgy's vote has the appearance of maybe being forced by the narrator/Natasha. I don't recall him every expressing any suspicion against me.

Lol, compare it to my previous votes

has the narrator targeted you every day?

Every

Single


Day

Was this post discussed yet?

There's a no double targeting rule so I'm not sure how wilgy could have been targeted so many times consecutively by the same role.

Duh :P

And so we enter a sticky situation where I hope that I'm wrong.

Yay work! See y'all l8r g8r's

Long Con wrote:
We can't reproduce Host PMs - I take that to mean we can't copy-paste Host PMs, not that we can't discuss the content at all. If that's the case... I just would feel more comfortable with some hard, clear rules around the whole topic. I do not want to violate the letter or the spirit of the game, and I also don't want to avoid discussing things that are both legal to discuss, and helpfully important

I actually agree with LC here.

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Long con has not commented on svs at all this game nor given any read on the posts of hers I pulled earlier despite being on since I made them.

Forgive me... I actually thought your case about S~V~S and Scotty was really good. I just have my own thing I'm trying to work out, and if bea is forced to vote S~V~S, then I don't think it's likely that S~V~S is bad.

What if bea is lying about being forced and bea is bad? Would bea do that? I know bea and SVS have some kind of bro code thing on the Syndicate and won;t kill each other unless they need to. BUT....what if Bea decided to use that to her advantage Its a possibility, right?!

Not really, because Wilgy is bad.

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Long con has not commented on svs at all this game nor given any read on the posts of hers I pulled earlier despite being on since I made them.

Forgive me... I actually thought your case about S~V~S and Scotty was really good. I just have my own thing I'm trying to work out, and if bea is forced to vote S~V~S, then I don't think it's likely that S~V~S is bad.

What if bea is lying about being forced and bea is bad? Would bea do that? I know bea and SVS have some kind of bro code thing on the Syndicate and won;t kill each other unless they need to. BUT....what if Bea decided to use that to her advantage Its a possibility, right?!

But what if SVS isn't bad and Bea really was forced to vote her?

The more I think about it, the fact that bea was forced without stipulating a case be made is something Sorsha would never do, becasue she knows how that would go down. I think someone who is less familiar with our history would have been more likely to have done that. While it would be nice for me if you were bad, Eloh, I really don't think you are based on how Epi reacted to you.

I was going to do a big predeath post giving some (legal and allowed) advice based on my role knowledge, but to heck with that.

Gun to head:


a2thezebra~ NO FREAKIN IDEA, But she has no idea of mine & Beas meta
Bea~ A Good ray of precious sunshine; I think she was forced by B & N based on how she posted it. She would have given a civ forcer more credence imo. Plus I think the Narrator knows who I am *NOT*.
DrWilgy~ more likely to be bad than LC imo, he was shiftier about the whole thing than LC
Elohcin~ I think she's a civ
Long Con~ Less likely to be lying about vote forcing, and knows better than to force bea on me without qualifiers
Nijuukyugou~ crappy vote, does not know about my meta with bea. Possibly bad.
Sloonei~ the same, although his vote is nowhere near as crappy as Ninjas
Sorsha~ While I would like to think she's bad based on her reaction to my point about B & N win cons, I don't think she would force bea on me
sprityo~ has no idea of the meta with Bea & I, otherwise, no read
S~V~S~ a universally misunderstood civ

You're killing me svs.

I might change to wilgy. Despite all my posts being about how I think you're bad and he's probably not you're sounding like a civ now.



Ok I'll change to wilgy but if you're tricking me I will probably never trust you again.

I am not