The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:nijuukyugou gets my vote for the time being. She hardly here, and when she's here she has basically echoed popular points of conversation (Wilgy's weird, Matt was suspicious) and it felt like she was buddying me as well. So, she's my current top suspicion.

I could follow this. You're certainly not wrong. I'm just not sure that makes her bad.

S~V~S wrote:But sofar, on short acquaintance, I have been pretty right about you

Hey every one, who thinks sig is bad?

Not me.

DFaraday wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Does anyone think he is bad? If so why? If on the fence,why?

I definitely think he is not. I think he is an easy lynch most games, but having seen it happen so many times, I am getting a better grip on sig, and I think he is a civ.

This is a game with one bad team. Then need to make cases on civvies to win. Let's not let them.

Faraday, do you have an opinion on sig or on Soneji? What about you, LC?

I don't see anything suspicious about Sig. His posts read genuine, and he voted early for Matt both times, which does not strike me as suspicious. It certainly doesn't qualify as bandwagoning or throwaway votes. His Soneji vote is okay, I guess. I haven't gotten to Soneji yet.

So... who is suspicious?

Has anyone noticed no one has been insanified since me, following night 1?

Has anyone noticed no one has been insanified since me, following night 1?

Soneji wrote:My gut feeling on him has gone up to my mind and it doesn't compute the reasoning for that feeling as being the kind of thing to worry of a mislynch over.

This sentence was really hard to read, I really lose my grasp on its meaning as I get toward the end.

S~V~S wrote:Thanks Faraday.

I am hoping to see who,if anyone, supports a lynch of sig. Glad to see you do not

What if I said I support a lynch of sig?

What I was saying is that I got pinged by a sig post, then thought about whether or not the reason for that was for the kind of thing players like sig normally get mislynched over and decided that it wasn't the case.

I have two musings
Regarding yesterday's votes
Not sure which is right

All of Niju's votes
Have pinged me so far this game
Which has me thinking

She has the excuse
Of busy real life items
Which makes great cover

Her Day 1 vote was
Fine for a baddie trying
To help a teammate

Her Day 2 vote was
A lazy, late civ train vote
That is timed quite well

Her Day 3 vote was
A mid-pack vote and came when
It was still spread out

My spidey sense says
Maybe one of her teammates
Had a vote by then

Taking the easy
Quin train route pushed him two votes
Ahead of the rest

So part of me wants
To crucify Niju hard
Or look for teammates

Possibilites:
DrWilgy, Elohcin,
Long Con, Soneji

Long Con wrote:

Soneji wrote:My gut feeling on him has gone up to my mind and it doesn't compute the reasoning for that feeling as being the kind of thing to worry of a mislynch over.

This sentence was really hard to read, I really lose my grasp on its meaning as I get toward the end.

S~V~S wrote:Thanks Faraday.

I am hoping to see who,if anyone, supports a lynch of sig. Glad to see you do not

What if I said I support a lynch of sig?

I would argue with you

I just think that in a game with only one bad team,as opposed to a game with 2 bad teams, we should speak up for those we feel OK about as well as speak out against those we don't trust.

Soneji wrote:I can hardly see how me saying that I have found that those who jump on no lynch supporters are mafia is offering no opinion on Llama. My vote would have been on Llama had I not passed out that night and missed EoD.

Technically you said people who try to lynch No Lynch voters are generally Mafia, but since the argument was entirely academic in this game, it wasn't clear to me that you actually suspected Llama. Your lack of followup on that point (even though you had a long post later that phase) makes me wonder if you just wanted to distance a bit.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:nijuukyugou gets my vote for the time being. She hardly here, and when she's here she has basically echoed popular points of conversation (Wilgy's weird, Matt was suspicious) and it felt like she was buddying me as well. So, she's my current top suspicion.

I could follow this. You're certainly not wrong. I'm just not sure that makes her bad.

S~V~S wrote:But sofar, on short acquaintance, I have been pretty right about you

Hey every one, who thinks sig is bad?

Not me.

DFaraday wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Does anyone think he is bad? If so why? If on the fence,why?

I definitely think he is not. I think he is an easy lynch most games, but having seen it happen so many times, I am getting a better grip on sig, and I think he is a civ.

This is a game with one bad team. Then need to make cases on civvies to win. Let's not let them.

Faraday, do you have an opinion on sig or on Soneji? What about you, LC?

I don't see anything suspicious about Sig. His posts read genuine, and he voted early for Matt both times, which does not strike me as suspicious. It certainly doesn't qualify as bandwagoning or throwaway votes. His Soneji vote is okay, I guess. I haven't gotten to Soneji yet.

So... who is suspicious?

Sorsha is pretty high on my list; I haven't been a fan of most of her votes, and I feel she hasn't had much of a presence for most of the game. I'll make a proper case later. Also, Eloh's approach still isn't sitting right with me. Right now I'd put Sorsha higher though.

Well, I'm not really going for a sig lynch. I think, even with 1 baddie team, stating who you think is Civ is a bad idea unless it's absolutely necessary. I am certainly not going to list my most trusted folks. I'd prefer that the baddies kill off people I'm not sure about, leaving the ones I trust! So I'm pretty much ambivalent about everyone. I trust sig more than nijuu. I trust DFaraday equally to Soneji. I feel slightly worse about G-Man than S~V~S, and Dom is shifting just above and below. Sometimes he sounds coolio, other times he's devioso. Sorsha seems worse than Elohcin.

Long Con wrote:Well, I'm not really going for a sig lynch. I think, even with 1 baddie team, stating who you think is Civ is a bad idea unless it's absolutely necessary. I am certainly not going to list my most trusted folks. I'd prefer that the baddies kill off people I'm not sure about, leaving the ones I trust! So I'm pretty much ambivalent about everyone. I trust sig more than nijuu. I trust DFaraday equally to Soneji. I feel slightly worse about G-Man than S~V~S, and Dom is shifting just above and below. Sometimes he sounds coolio, other times he's devioso. Sorsha seems worse than Elohcin.

What makes you feel bad
About me so far this game
If I may ask

G-Man wrote:

Long Con wrote:Well, I'm not really going for a sig lynch. I think, even with 1 baddie team, stating who you think is Civ is a bad idea unless it's absolutely necessary. I am certainly not going to list my most trusted folks. I'd prefer that the baddies kill off people I'm not sure about, leaving the ones I trust! So I'm pretty much ambivalent about everyone. I trust sig more than nijuu. I trust DFaraday equally to Soneji. I feel slightly worse about G-Man than S~V~S, and Dom is shifting just above and below. Sometimes he sounds coolio, other times he's devioso. Sorsha seems worse than Elohcin.

What makes you feel bad
About me so far this game
If I may ask

Supplicant, I will give you a token of my wisdom and tell you this: Quin was civ, and looking back over his interactions regarding you have caused me some slight concern. It is nothing to be concerned with at this moment, and mentioning you was but a small piece of the overall obfuscation.

Fair enough I guess
I'll have to go back and see
What Quin thought of me

Long Con wrote:Well, I'm not really going for a sig lynch. I think, even with 1 baddie team, stating who you think is Civ is a bad idea unless it's absolutely necessary. I am certainly not going to list my most trusted folks. I'd prefer that the baddies kill off people I'm not sure about, leaving the ones I trust! So I'm pretty much ambivalent about everyone. I trust sig more than nijuu. I trust DFaraday equally to Soneji. I feel slightly worse about G-Man than S~V~S, and Dom is shifting just above and below. Sometimes he sounds coolio, other times he's devioso. Sorsha seems worse than Elohcin.

I think you misunderstand me; I hate those rainbow lists for that reason. What I mean is if someone is suspecting someone you think is not bad, you should defend them.

Some people are easy to push a lynch on, so we should speak up.

And why do you feel bad about me? Was it the fact that I kept harping on baddie Llama?

Woops, lol.

Damn sockuppets, ha ha

G-Man what do you think of Sorsha's accusations against you?

Dom wrote:G-Man what do you think of Sorsha's accusations against you?

Opportunistic
Though I didn't phrase my posts
About my vote well

Switching my vote had
No impact on the outcome
Yet she picks me out

For now I am going to vote for Soneji~ his sig case seems seriously opportunistic, plus what does this mean?

Soneji wrote:What I was saying is that I got pinged by a sig post, then thought about whether or not the reason for that was for the kind of thing players like sig normally get mislynched over and decided that it wasn't the case.

S~V~S wrote:Thanks Faraday.

I am hoping to see who,if anyone, supports a lynch of sig. Glad to see you do not

You are inquiring a lot about sig and then are glad to see that someone does NOT support his lynch. Do you know something we don't?

DrWilgy wrote:@Eloh, I wouldn't have killed Wilgette if it was my win condition

Wait, what? You wouldn't kill her even if it was a part of your win condition? I'm not sure I understand your statement.

Long Con wrote:

Soneji wrote:My gut feeling on him has gone up to my mind and it doesn't compute the reasoning for that feeling as being the kind of thing to worry of a mislynch over.

This sentence was really hard to read, I really lose my grasp on its meaning as I get toward the end.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

G-Man wrote:She has the excuse
Of busy real life items
Which makes great cover

I am worried about Niju as well. She has made it to the top of my suspect list. I know that she was on Spring Break last week an that getting back into the swing of things at work can be difficult, but I cannot imagine it taking up as much time as she says. I also think her votes are suspicious.

OK, Eloh.

Be clear; do you suspect sig or not? You are leaving yourself open here.

Re Wilgy not killing Wilgette~ In your first game, you would not rip Epi a new one if he NKed you>? You of all people should grasp it ifWilgy is reluctant to suspect his lady.

Eloh,do you have an opinion on Soneji?

Hello I'm here!

Okay so I'd be fine with a Soneji lynch again. I'm eyeballing LC and DF a bit.

I'm really starting to dislike Wilgy voting for me like that. He also voted for SVS when she wasn't around to defend herself and I believe he left his vote there all day?

I'll need to read him over, but at this point I wouldn't be surprised if Wilgy is mafia.

Soneji wrote:What I was saying is that I got pinged by a sig post, then thought about whether or not the reason for that was for the kind of thing players like sig normally get mislynched over and decided that it wasn't the case.

And wait have we ever played before? I think we did in Turf Wars, but that didn't get brought up that much. How do you know I usually get mislynched for pingy not really pingy stuff?


Is this a BTSC slip.

Seems like all of the Syndicate games are ending today. I guess I'll just go ahead and end this one now. :P

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Seems like all of the Syndicate games are ending today. I guess I'll just go ahead and end this one now. :P

DO we all win?

Nope! The cops win. Gotta stay trendy around here.

Sorry, I thought I was clear about sig. No, I don't really suspect him at this time.

S~V~S wrote:Eloh,do you have an opinion on Soneji?

not a strong one.

Sorry, been busy lately. Exhausted past couple days. I'll take tonight to catch up

As promised I am catching up today.... looking at iso's more than re-reading the thread but I'll post what I have so far for the first few players.

Bubbles- based on her day one vote for llama I'm leaning civ. Some of her posts and vote reasons have not made much sense to me though. Day one she said she dislikes day one bandwagons but immediately joined one in voting for llama, it's pretty much her saving grace that that vote went to llama. Today she put her vote on Wilgy despite saying she thought DF "doesn't look too good." Bubbles gonna Bubble, but civ I think.


DFaraday- Day one voted for Dom and thought "llama was just being llama." Voted for Eloh day two and Quin day three. His defenses have seemed sufficient, he's taken a lot of flack for the day one vote but I've learned that that's what you get when you vote for Dom :P I don't like his recent suspicon of me but I can't really argue against the fact that I have sucked this game. Neutral.


Dom- Early suspicion of Wilgy on day one, missed the day one vote, doesn't know who he would have voted for. Day two sussed DF and Matt, voted Matt. Day three voted Wilgy. The most concerning things for me with Dom are the no vote on day one and the possible(???) buddying I see him doing to SVS. Agreeing with her. Again. And again. Perhaps they're just civvies instep with one another?

SVS- do you feel as if Dom is buddying you? Overall I'm saying neutral, slightly civ on Dom.


DrWilgy- This quote of his pretty much sums up his day 1:

DrWilgy wrote:Ok... Fpr those of you at home wondering... My vote was initially on G-Man, then Matt, then myself for about a day. After that my vote went to Sig, then Matt, Llama, back to Matt a 3rd time and finally Eloh!

Day two: Jokes about Matt sending in the NK. Wanted to lynch LC when he was silenced day two. Seemed to get a bit more serious and give more serious explanations on day two. I think his case on Eloh here was okay. It might be that he just found points that he could turn into a case though. Wilgy was clearly all over the place on day one and was not tunneling her so I def agree with him about that, she only came up as his suspicion near the end of the day. Voted for blooper then switched to Eloh.
Day three: Like yesterday the player that Wilgy was suspecting gets silenced (SVS). Takes shit about being mean to Eloh.
Theres a lot to take in looking at his iso but I have to say I think I am leaning slightly bad on Wilgy, despite agreeing with points he made on Eloh. I think it could be a case of him finding something to make a case out of, civs can make themselves look bad, better than baddies usually. I think he's hiding behind the numerous vote switches and I find it odd that he thinks LC is bad but doesn't want to lynch him. Could possibly be teammate distancing, I haven't gotten to my LC iso yet.


Elohcin- Mostly catch up day one, voted Wilgy. Day two voted Matt, had some back and forth with Wilgy where she basically blows his suspicions off, day three vote back to Wilgy. I don't have much to quote from her posts but a few things she has said here and there + my feelings about Wilgy are making me lean civ on her.


G-Man- voted for llama on day one which looks good for him, he moved it off for a minute then went back though.

G-Man wrote:I'd like to point out that I had originally voted for Llama before Wilgy had. I moved my vote for a few mintues but ended up going back to Llama. Wilgy and Wilgette should really be considered the final two votes on Llama since I was being a moveable-vote dork. Just want to set that record straight.

Why did you move your vote away from llama and then back G-Man? Who did you move it to and why?

Day two voted Matt. Day three took issue with Wilgy's rainbow list. He made this post 39 minutes before the poll ended:

G-Man wrote:Voting Wilgy but
I'll be watching as other
Votes trickle in

And I questioned why it was ok for him to make a late vote but no one else. I know, and everyone else does too, that late votes and close ones can be manipulated by the baddies but G-Man is just assuming that we are all okay with him being a late voter?
And one minute before the poll closes:

G-Man wrote:Switched my vote to Quin
For the sake of a little
Certainty tonight

Am I the only one bothered by the player who has been a last minute voter in all of the lynches so far being the one criticizing last minute voters? Yes, he did vote for llama day one but I'd like to know more about his late vote switch that day. I'm leaning bad on him, depending on his reasoning for the day one llama vote this could edge slightly higher.

sig wrote:

Soneji wrote:What I was saying is that I got pinged by a sig post, then thought about whether or not the reason for that was for the kind of thing players like sig normally get mislynched over and decided that it wasn't the case.

And wait have we ever played before? I think we did in Turf Wars, but that didn't get brought up that much. How do you know I usually get mislynched for pingy not really pingy stuff?


Is this a BTSC slip.

It got brought up enough for me to literally make a post defending you with that as part of my reasoning. I might have been a Cop hard bussing my teammate Epi but yeah I'm aware of the fact that you're generally mislynched:

Soneji wrote:I have been deciding between Epi and chaindeath. Sig's flip I would say has more firmly put me in the Epi camp, based on his constant tunneling of a player who to my understanding is lynched a lot as town for being unusual. Low hanging fruit is what we would call him on NF.

Epignosis

Here is the second half of the list:

Long Con- Voted Quin day one, had a few exchanges with llama and suspected him but was away at EoD. A few exchanges with Quin night one then he was silenced day 2. Knowing that Quin was a civ it made me want to look at the Quin voters from the day he was lynched, I think the mafia might have silenced LC to make Quin look bad, it succeeded imo since he was lynched day 3.
Day three:
Quin
5
Long Con (4), Soneji (8), nijuukyugou (15), DFaraday (17), G-Man (20)
25%

Night two/Day three: Came out full force against Quin. Some accusations between LC and Scotty, Scotty died that night. So two consecutive kills (one NK one lynch) on civs who were suspicious of LC.

I'm okay with his blooper vote today, we'll see if it stays there. Neutral on LC.

Just quoted this to so I could compare my own thoughts (in green)

Long Con wrote:Well, I'm not really going for a sig lynch. I think, even with 1 baddie team, stating who you think is Civ is a bad idea unless it's absolutely necessary. I am certainly not going to list my most trusted folks. I'd prefer that the baddies kill off people I'm not sure about, leaving the ones I trust! So I'm pretty much ambivalent about everyone. I trust sig more than nijuu.Agree I trust DFaraday equally to Soneji.Agree, I'm leaning a bit bad on both of them I feel slightly worse about G-Man than S~V~S I feel much worse about G-Man than SVS, and Dom is shifting just above and below. I feel okay about Dom, more okay than I did when I did his iso earlier Sometimes he sounds coolio, other times he's devioso. Sorsha seems worse than Elohcin. I can see how you'd think this since I haven't been posting much and have pretty much not done anything right this game so far but I am civ so if you have anything you'd like me to address just say so.

nijuukyugou- Day one votes Matt, matt again on day two, Quin day three. Six posts total, only three are game/vote related. I know she usually only posts about once per day but these posts seem a bit too thin. I'd definitely like to hear more about her suspicions because right now she looking like a lurking baddie.


S~V~S- Day one vote for llama, day two switched from DF to Wilgy. I think this was a forced vote. A little back and forth with LC on night two and then she was silenced on day 3. Her comments about DF on night 3 make him look worse to me, I think she made some good observations. I accused Dom of buddying SVS earlier for agreeing with her so much and I feel like I have to take that back since I feel like I'm doing the same thing. I don't know if agreeing with someone is always considered buddying but I'm having a hard time finding much to disagree with in her iso. Her explanation of G-Man's vote on day three is one thing I disagree about, it didn't seem like a forced vote from him, imo. I also disagree with her acceptance of the argument that Wilgy wouldn't kill Wilgette, she hasn't posted since April 1st, during day 1, she's obviously not interested so I don't know why he wouldn't. Leaning civ.


sig- Voted for Matt day one and day two. Day two was some Matt v sig, also pointed out some weird things DF did but still says he didn't think DF was very suspicious. But I like this post from day three:

sig wrote:Okay so I dislike Wilgy wanting to lynch SVS when she is bearly able to post. :P

I think it is telling that SVS was silenced after suspecting DF and mentioning Wilgy, as well as some defense of Eloh.

Right now I'd like to pursue DF, his day 1 vote for Dom was weird, and it avoided both main wagons.

Day three starts the sig-Soneji exchanges and sig votes for him. Leaning civ on sig, not much to complain about in his posts.


Soneji- Missed the day one vote. Had some discussion with llama about "no lynch" options on polls. Day two he voted Matt, disagreed with G-Man saying Dom was asking strong questions. Votes for Quin on day three since sig is off the poll. I disagree with his sig suspicion, I don't think anything sig has said in this game has been too pingy- even by sig standards. I don't see where he was "vying for credit" for the llama lynch.

Soneji wrote:What I was saying is that I got pinged by a sig post, then thought about whether or not the reason for that was for the kind of thing players like sig normally get mislynched over and decided that it wasn't the case.

By "players like sig" I'm guessing you mean players who are often mislynched? You can't group all those players together like they all do the same thing as one another and that's what they get lynched for. sig is sig. You've been clued in to the fact that he has been mislynched (you used an example from another game) but I'm wondering if you have BTS this game and someone is prodding you to do a sig case. Leaning bad.


sprityo- Voted Matt day one. No vote on day two. Does a big catch up post but I can't really tell what his opinions are on much, he agrees with Wilgy regarding Eloh though. He seems to mostly just be giving his own re-hash of what went on... (maybe lay off that Dorito Mountain Dew sprityo) Votes Eloh on day three. Very little content but I'm guessing civ.

Since G-Man is my only red-read player I'm going to vote for him, for now. I could change it to any of the players I listed as orange depending on how the remainder of this day goes.

I will reread G Mans original player read haikus, but one of the reasons I felt good about him to begin with was those player reads. Before that I was skeptical; I think self imposed posting gimmicks can be a way to hide, but those player reads were pretty frank~ no punches being pulled.

Also Sorsha re Dom, no I did not get that feel that he was buddying me, but I will read back. It has only recently come to my attention that I am known for being buddy-able ha ha. That has never been somethingI was paranoid about, so i guess it should since it is well known to the baddie community

I had one impression of Dom, a good one, so as of this point,no.

I will read back on him too.

With Turf Wars being over, I can put more time to rereading.

Also Elohcin needs only a few more for Downton Abbey!! If you have not already signed up, go for it !!

Sorsha wrote:but I've learned that that's what you get when you vote for Dom :P

LOL

Very nice catch up posts, Sorsha!



If no one else wants to lynch DFaraday, I can vote elsewhere. Wilgy? I'd be interested to hear more people's takes on G-Man. His hypocrisy earlier was unsettling to me.

The only reason I haven't been very distrustful of G-Man's haiku gimmick is his early interaction with SVS about doing player reads. Despite a few somewhat questionable things he has done, I haven't been pinged by him. The same applies to SVS.

Dom wrote:

Sorsha wrote:but I've learned that that's what you get when you vote for Dom :P

LOL

Very nice catch up posts, Sorsha!



If no one else wants to lynch DFaraday, I can vote elsewhere. Wilgy? I'd be interested to hear more people's takes on G-Man. His hypocrisy earlier was unsettling to me.

Don't kill me. I'm good guy.

I'm down for Niju, Ji or DF. I am having troubles forming opinions about them and think it would be better to vote them now.

HEY BUBBLY senpai

Bubbles wrote:since votes are changable going to put mine on drwiglette for now, for being the last to vote for llama. and drwigly's recent posts are also quite strange but i cant believe a mafioso would put themselves in the line of fire like that, seems like he is messing around or being messed with. in either case dont want to add to it.

I big lettered in the hopes you would see it and respond. Your pings on Wilgette diminished when she voted Llama, what makes me different in this scenario?

Voting Niju now
Daughter's baptism today
Back in afternoon?

S~V~S wrote:Also Sorsha re Dom, no I did not get that feel that he was buddying me, but I will read back. It has only recently come to my attention that I am known for being buddy-able ha ha.

Can I be your buddy?