Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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Clearly he bribed the hosts.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:59 am If Jack came back, does it mean he is really as unchoppable as he says? Also, is he the same role and alignment?
And that translates to you like me wanting to get 112's vote off of Cat? On to...me?
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:06 amClearly he bribed the hosts.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:59 am If Jack came back, does it mean he is really as unchoppable as he says? Also, is he the same role and alignment?
Also it sounds like nutella swapped with him presumably as part of her role. It's unclear if this is permanent or temporary.
I can confirm somebody targeted me with something n2MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:23 pm Oh and I targeted
Falcon n1
JPIC n2
Nutella n3
Apparently 1/2 of my action failed on Nutella on n3, so IDK how that happened but it did and the other part worked.
Oh, ok. I assumed Tim had shot Nanook, but then we don't know how Nanook died?Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:04 amAnything for you.
Tim claimed Vig yesterday and says he tried to shoot tutuu after Jack screamed it with his dying words and then flipped as a cop-ish role, but was roleblocked. He has concluded the scum did it to protect a packmate.
Martin was a bit of a random vote. Presence level is the main concern I'd say.
My read on 112 is under renovation and we hope to share it again soon.
Why should I be ogledKylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:24 pm ok so i spent a good amount of time reading through the general PoE last night. I think Dyslexicon and Martin should be given some love and attention of the inquisitive kind. HK too, though i remember reading something from either them or thunal and i thought "ah ok" so maybe not. JPIC also should be ogled severely.
tutuu is just 100% town actually, and should be given the license to move and act freely as she pleases, if we were flying in an airplane tutuu should be legally allowed to just walk into the pilot's room where the pilots are. The airplane security guards would see her and say "yeah that's fine. i'm completely okay with that. there's nothing wrong with that at all"
tim is too, even if you consider the possibility that he's lying or just wrong about everything he's saying, there's no benefit to doing any of it at all. like what's the plan if he's mafia? he pretends to be a vigilante, a publicly provable role, and then doesn't kill someone? for what? for why? "but kyle, what about wifom?" wifom doesn't apply if the benefit to doing something is astronomically less than not doing anything and/or nonexistent. i don't think anyone is seriously entertaining this notion
i have no recollection of Syn whatsoever so i may work to rectify that, same is true for Michelle
point is not that you wanted 112's vote on you, it's that you are trying to pressure 112 when she was on cat. It's not enough where i'm like "OMG UR BAD" but it's why i don't town read you anymoreDyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:06 amAnd that translates to you like me wanting to get 112's vote off of Cat? On to...me?
I was interested in if 112 had any progression there at all. Cause at that time, a lot of people who know me were saying how I was town, while 112 was trying to push me (and I didn't buy the push). Instead of having any reaction to that or resolving their read on me in any way, they just slid the vote off without any further comment, and I find that sus. No "I still think Dizzy is scum", no recognition of the defences of me or nothing. That is what I was interested in. I didn't even know who Cat was at that point. Cat was only brought to my attention by Mac's case on Cat/you, which made me ISO the cat.
I don't understand your point here.
@MartinGG99 The negative utility didn't work, right?MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:26 pmIts not really alignment related at all
but it has both positive and negative utility to it and while I don't imagine it being relevant I figured I would drop that info because if I die without doing so then people can speculate on what I "actually did" and I don't wish for that to happen
basically cus you're in kind of a gray area for me stillJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:15 amWhy should I be ogled
Depending on your answer, you may be bonked
What is the relevance? I didn't even know who Cat was at that point. I was trying to get a read on 112 and pursued that. We already had a discussion going from beforehand, cause I'm an omgusy player lol. Why is it suddenly relevant to you just because 112 hopped on Cat for a minute? I was pressuring 112 back for a bad vote on me, and that happened way before this.
This is a pretty strong read actually.
@MartinGG99Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:08 amI can confirm somebody targeted me with something n2MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:23 pm Oh and I targeted
Falcon n1
JPIC n2
Nutella n3
Apparently 1/2 of my action failed on Nutella on n3, so IDK how that happened but it did and the other part worked.
JPIC is town. Sheep me on that.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:21 ambasically cus you're in kind of a gray area for me stillJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:15 amWhy should I be ogled
Depending on your answer, you may be bonked
Do you want to? I was thinking not long ago we don't know the downsides of claiming, eg soup kill. Maybe we need a guinea-pig.
I think there were a lot of bad reads going on yesterday, with a lot of it being my fault. I was, as is kinda typical for me, lying my ass off. This unfortunately lead to a whole bunch of defending you that wasn't necessary since you weren't gonna get chopped, and some people I think got so intent into that that their reads were off.
She does seem a likely NK target.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:39 am Maybe the nutella vanishing was part of her role, and she swapped because she would have likely been the NK, which should account for the lack of a nk?
Fine. I am a laser cannon from space invaders. It takes three days to charge, then I get to shoot someone on N3 (or later, I did check because I was seriously considering holstering).Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:32 amDo you want to? I was thinking not long ago we don't know the downsides of claiming, eg soup kill. Maybe we need a guinea-pig.
At a guess? Because I'm wolfy AF and they figured they could get you lot to chop me. Just look at SoD at how eager Tutuu and JPIC were to pile on anything I said that "discredited the claim." I came into the day expecting to have to fight for my life in the event of anything other than a Tutuu wolf flip, and I was not disappointed.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:03 am Btw Tim that reminds me, why do you think the scum team blocked you instead of killed you?
I "discredited" it because you claimed to holster which was obviously bullshit, and I was right because you admitted to lying about it. I've slept on it, and I believe your claim now.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:09 amAt a guess? Because I'm wolfy AF and they figured they could get you lot to chop me. Just look at SoD at how eager Tutuu and JPIC were to pile on anything I said that "discredited the claim." I came into the day expecting to have to fight for my life in the event of anything other than a Tutuu wolf flip, and I was not disappointed.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:03 am Btw Tim that reminds me, why do you think the scum team blocked you instead of killed you?
No. But I can tell you that Martin is telling the truth about his actions in a detailed way. I don't think he thinks to do that for when he flips if he's going to flip scum. I also believe him when he says he's overwhelmed. Pretty sure he's just town, and I think voting there is a bad idea.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:32 amDo you want to? I was thinking not long ago we don't know the downsides of claiming, eg soup kill. Maybe we need a guinea-pig.
We don't know for sure, but my theory is nutella swapped with Jack as part of her role because she was the strong candidate for NK. And we have a missing scum NK unaccounted for.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:40 am I really don't know what's going on with Nutella/Jack switching roles? Did I miss something here? I thought I read that, but haven't retained it.
I tried to protect Nutella from harmful actions this night. This is the reason I think Martin is telling the truth about part of his action not working. But I don't know how that squares with what happened to Nutella. Maybe my action was just moot because Nutella had her own disappearing act.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:42 amWe don't know for sure, but my theory is nutella swapped with Jack as part of her role because she was the strong candidate for NK. And we have a missing scum NK unaccounted for.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:40 am I really don't know what's going on with Nutella/Jack switching roles? Did I miss something here? I thought I read that, but haven't retained it.
I also think Martin is telling the truth because I know I was targeted with something N2Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:47 amI tried to protect Nutella from harmful actions this night. This is the reason I think Martin is telling the truth about part of his action not working. But I don't know how that squares with what happened to Nutella. Maybe my action was just moot because Nutella had her own disappearing act.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:42 amWe don't know for sure, but my theory is nutella swapped with Jack as part of her role because she was the strong candidate for NK. And we have a missing scum NK unaccounted for.Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:40 am I really don't know what's going on with Nutella/Jack switching roles? Did I miss something here? I thought I read that, but haven't retained it.
Not at the moment
Cool. =p
Well, I'll grant that you were right about it being a lie, but right up until the barrage of "shoot Tutuu" followed by cop flip I was very seriously thinking I would holster...I even check to make sure that I could. And my reasoning, it maybe turns out, was good...I figured in all the ruckus I had probably drawn a block if they had one.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:33 amI "discredited" it because you claimed to holster which was obviously bullshit, and I was right because you admitted to lying about it. I've slept on it, and I believe your claim now.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:09 amAt a guess? Because I'm wolfy AF and they figured they could get you lot to chop me. Just look at SoD at how eager Tutuu and JPIC were to pile on anything I said that "discredited the claim." I came into the day expecting to have to fight for my life in the event of anything other than a Tutuu wolf flip, and I was not disappointed.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:03 am Btw Tim that reminds me, why do you think the scum team blocked you instead of killed you?
OK, that makes sense. Sorry, I was tired last night and had a few drinks because of a certain soccer football resultTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:32 amWell, I'll grant that you were right about it being a lie, but right up until the barrage of "shoot Tutuu" followed by cop flip I was very seriously thinking I would holster...I even check to make sure that I could. And my reasoning, it maybe turns out, was good...I figured in all the ruckus I had probably drawn a block if they had one.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:33 amI "discredited" it because you claimed to holster which was obviously bullshit, and I was right because you admitted to lying about it. I've slept on it, and I believe your claim now.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:09 amAt a guess? Because I'm wolfy AF and they figured they could get you lot to chop me. Just look at SoD at how eager Tutuu and JPIC were to pile on anything I said that "discredited the claim." I came into the day expecting to have to fight for my life in the event of anything other than a Tutuu wolf flip, and I was not disappointed.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:03 am Btw Tim that reminds me, why do you think the scum team blocked you instead of killed you?
Maybe this is correctJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:39 am Maybe the nutella vanishing was part of her role, and she swapped because she would have likely been the NK, which should account for the lack of a nk?
This is reflective of why I shot her. The whole Jack/Nutella madness with the additional layer of Jack not knowing he was a cop is unexpected to say the least. If Jack was just dead and gone, after flipping cop and going out screaming "kill Tutuu" at the top of his lungs, today would be one of those days where everyone just slowly came around to "wow, that was a red check" and we chopped Tutuu, with town and wolf all over the wagon and nothing learned at all.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:23 am Ftr I agree with you guys about Martin and also that Tim's claim seems legit.
I'm just trying to convince myself to turn on my dear friend tutuu. I scum read her hard earlier but felt good about arriving at a TR later and am reluctant to give that up. I just don't feel it. But I admit Tim's theory makes some sense.
S'okay...I bring that kind of thing on myself by lying my ass off. And then I do this full out making sure every question about my actions is clearly answered when I figure my lifeline is running out.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:35 amOK, that makes sense. Sorry, I was tired last night and had a few drinks because of a certain soccer football resultTimsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:32 amWell, I'll grant that you were right about it being a lie, but right up until the barrage of "shoot Tutuu" followed by cop flip I was very seriously thinking I would holster...I even check to make sure that I could. And my reasoning, it maybe turns out, was good...I figured in all the ruckus I had probably drawn a block if they had one.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:33 amI "discredited" it because you claimed to holster which was obviously bullshit, and I was right because you admitted to lying about it. I've slept on it, and I believe your claim now.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:09 amAt a guess? Because I'm wolfy AF and they figured they could get you lot to chop me. Just look at SoD at how eager Tutuu and JPIC were to pile on anything I said that "discredited the claim." I came into the day expecting to have to fight for my life in the event of anything other than a Tutuu wolf flip, and I was not disappointed.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:03 am Btw Tim that reminds me, why do you think the scum team blocked you instead of killed you?
I am a little, MrR is not
It is certainly plausible. The NK is typically last in the processing order, so if Nutella was swapped out the NK would fail. (ymmv based on what is 'typical' resolution order)Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:35 amMaybe this is correctJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:39 am Maybe the nutella vanishing was part of her role, and she swapped because she would have likely been the NK, which should account for the lack of a nk?
I mean...she's someone I could see lying about her role. But so far everything makes sense. The role existed, but it's different from the original which matches what we know of roles so far. Her attitude fits an indy who just needs to coast to victory, that is she is clearly not invested in anything. Its been confirmed she's been making deals as per her role (I think LC said so?)
I understand this, i am just a little paranoid because it's AlisonMaster Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:53 amI mean...she's someone I could see lying about her role. But so far everything makes sense. The role existed, but it's different from the original which matches what we know of roles so far. Her attitude fits an indy who just needs to coast to victory, that is she is clearly not invested in anything. Its been confirmed she's been making deals as per her role (I think LC said so?)
It just makes sense.
I let these theories for the mechanical players, i think i am very bad at mechanics.Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:49 amIt is certainly plausible. The NK is typically last in the processing order, so if Nutella was swapped out the NK would fail. (ymmv based on what is 'typical' resolution order)Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:35 amMaybe this is correctJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:39 am Maybe the nutella vanishing was part of her role, and she swapped because she would have likely been the NK, which should account for the lack of a nk?
However...that leaves Nanook's death hanging. Theories on that can get wild really fast.
Nothing that ive said in this post or in previous posts directed at u has been mockingMichelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:12 amThis time my vote is locked, do whatever amount of tinfoil you desire, I want your flip and is not personal, believe me.
You marked all the openwolfing and powerwolfing signs I ever saw since i started to play, and also my logic aligns with my feelings. That's hitting a wolf 99%
Your presence is like Nanook presence, wagon never grows enough and this is extremely suspicious, aand you are mocking me in a pockety style and my inner child is amused but this playful mode you have seems false in this game.
These are just 2 reasons, one logical, one from heart.
I want to focus on everyone else now.
Okay makes sense, i didnt know ur playing so many games at onceMichelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:03 am Btw @tutuu you asked me iirc about my mistake.
I was heavily multitabling and one of the games was the team game at MU, where Esooa had a day one very active and very suspicious fmpov and my brain was so tunnely that when i posted my read for this game i added Esooa.
If i would give details i would entertain an angleshooting type of read for my slot in that game and that is a thing i hate the most.
It was not intentional and i felt like an idiot for that mistake, my only excuse is the fact in day one I wasn't there to talk about my suspicion because was Dawoo's turn to post and the first place where i talked about reads was here