The Syndicate

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:36 pm I guess you said dov/carotte earlier but like, now you're saying one of me or fatmo is mad? how does that square

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:18 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:13 am @cassowary were you able to reread the game?

If not then just tell me your current thoughts

I really think Carotte's interactions w/ confirmed maf look not great tbh. Like what Carotte says about U-G in these few posts strikes me as very possible w/w. And Carotte voted MJ d2, but didn't have much to say on it tbh, looks kinda like bussing for town cred when it was obvious Jovian was going down (i mean Jovian already had 3 votes at this point and already had attracted substantial suspicion).

Looking back I can see cayvie's posts coming from maf as well (though i'm feeling stronger about Carot atm) and I feel bad for weirding myself away from voting cayvie yesterday. But I'm not sure I really have anything concrete on Cayvie other than PoE? But if it's PoE it could be Fatmo or Dov as well... hm. I'm a little confused atm :/

[VOTE: carotenoid] aubergine

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:32 pm chard: last day you said you were thinking it was either DDLxCayvie or CarottexDov:

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:17 am Its shaping up to look like the team is ethier DDL, and Cayvie. Or, Carotte, and DoV.

CarotxDov is a bit left field, but more possible then other DoV teams. Only weird thing is DoV openly saying that he was sheeping Carotte N1. Almost seems like too uncomfortable a thing for mafia to confess doing to another mafia. Espeasly when DoV was already p nervous about how he was perceived.

(unless I'm misreading what you meant here I guess)

so now that we know DDL is town, if you're still wanting to go with Cayvie, who are you proposing as Cayvie's partner?

Not really trying to defend Cayvie here, I just want to feel better about it if we're choosing to vote her over Carotte or Dov today and I want someone to sell me on the case more

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:29 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:36 pm I guess you said dov/carotte earlier but like, now you're saying one of me or fatmo is mad? how does that square

i... would appreciate some other eyes on this exchange. i'm starting to feel like you're not engaging in good faith here, cass.

like, i hadn't put it together that you or fatmo is probably maf when i thought dov/carot was the most likely team. so no, right now, i don't think dov/carot is the team, because that team does not leave fatmo alive.

unless they really thought long con had to go? he was gunning for dov pretty hard. idk. i don't think it's them.

i think fatmo/dov makes sense. they would kill long con for being onto the whole "mj busing a partner" business.

who did fatmo say he tracked again

Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.

I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.

I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.

Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.

I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.

First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.

So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:33 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:29 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:36 pm I guess you said dov/carotte earlier but like, now you're saying one of me or fatmo is mad? how does that square

i... would appreciate some other eyes on this exchange. i'm starting to feel like you're not engaging in good faith here, cass.

like, i hadn't put it together that you or fatmo is probably maf when i thought dov/carot was the most likely team. so no, right now, i don't think dov/carot is the team, because that team does not leave fatmo alive.

unless they really thought long con had to go? he was gunning for dov pretty hard. idk. i don't think it's them.

i think fatmo/dov makes sense. they would kill long con for being onto the whole "mj busing a partner" business.

who did fatmo say he tracked again

Cayvie... if fatmo was mafia, and was not in any hot water... then why would they cliam anything other then VT?

b/c claiming Tracker means that going into a lylo situation as unkilled claimed PR is going to look super bad

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:42 pm I would be surprized if Mafia!Fatmo has the nerve to SR me lol. B/c that push would be super transparent.

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Fatmo cliamed after you, DDL, DoV, Carotte.

But before Cassowary.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:06 pm Replace in the example Vig for "burner", and that means that there's no way that they could've burned me last night since in water tribe. Thus that means that Burning is factional.

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 pm

Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.

I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.

I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.

Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.

I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.

First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.

So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.

do these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?

@fatmo what was your result last night? why did you target cass n3?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:58 pm I guess i could see scum tracker making those picks if Fatmo was w/ scum players wary of experienced, but aloof, town LC and Wigly.

Would matcher be wary of those guys?

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:57 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 pm

Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.

I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.

I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.

Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.

I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.

First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.

So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.

do these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?

@fatmo what was your result last night? why did you target cass n3?

idk what optimal phscologicy for town tracker is as some go after most scummy players, others go after players they think would preform the kill as mafia instead of explicitly scum reading them.

easiest way is to ask for Fatmo's justification.

which they've yet to check in today it seems. :/

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pre-edit

I outted being water tribe at day 4 start when i mentioned getting burned.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:08 am Yeah i guess it isn't out of the question.

how do you feel about fatmo's maintaining the wagon on Marcher when they could've lurked out, or shopped elsewhere? I think that it was at a point where the wagon wasnt set yet. I may have to double check

cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:09 am
ah yeah if you think scum!fatmo would be afraid to thunderdome you, then that means that the plan would have been to thunderdome cass, since he knew you two were the two water tribe people left.

would scum!fatmo go in on a plan of thunderdoming cass?

oh, i think this means that fatmo/cass isn't the team. hell yes, we're getting somewhere.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:08 am Yeah i guess it isn't out of the question.

how do you feel about fatmo's maintaining the wagon on Marcher when they could've lurked out, or shopped elsewhere? I think that it was at a point where the wagon wasnt set yet. I may have to double check

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:50 pm

I was resisting the urge to do pre-flip associations but now it's kinda tingling me.

I'm considering chardonnay, Long Con, Wilgy and Cassowary as town. That leaves a pool of: DDL - cayvie - dov - Fatmo

v!DDL world means one of the following combination:

cayvie-dov
cayvie-fatmo
dov-fatmo

dov-fatmo feels wrong and sounds wrong. Like, I don't have a *precise* reason that comes to my mind immediately but it just doesn't really feel like the sense of the thread, if that makes sense.

cayvie-dov means cayvie decided to play the full bus when Marcher was under the spotlight. There's like, no coming back from the way she pushed dov. I can see so many easier roads than the full bus in this world, I think it's unlikely.

cayvie-fatmo might be a thing but also eh.

So yeah, v!DDL world seems really unlikely to me.

hmmmn I vaguely remember nutella saying something about Marcher having a 'desperate' push on Fatmo. I'll take a closer look because if the team is really all the low-posters I don't think MJ's strategy is to bus.

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Just to know, is it common to have uuuuh roles like "lost child/lost wolf/passenger wolf" here? Like a mafia alignment that don't know the other and vice-versa?

Fatmo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:45 am Last night, I tracked Dov and they didn't go anywhere.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:28 am I have to go into work in like 5 minites, so that how long i have to make a descion. I wont be here for EoD

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:05 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:14 pm Told you he was town.

Well, thanks.

Where would you go from here?

I would chop dov, and then cayvie.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:27 am Probably same for me. :/

i should revalute things rn, but im not feeling v motivated.

DDL visiting both N1 kill target, and N2 burn target was some major bad luck. I just didn't think it would be a coincidence town would happen to have done.

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What are others thoughts for tomarrow?

cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:05 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:02 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:14 pm Told you he was town.

Well, thanks.

Where would you go from here?

I would chop dov, and then cayvie.

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:27 am Probably same for me. :/

i should revalute things rn, but im not feeling v motivated.

DDL visiting both N1 kill target, and N2 burn target was some major bad luck. I just didn't think it would be a coincidence town would happen to have done.

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What are others thoughts for tomarrow?

yeah this

and these were the two people targeted

wilgy is left alive, and wilgy is in a cass/cayvie world. fatmo is left alive too. i think it's dov/fatmo or i'm being led to believe it's dov/fatmo.

Fatmo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:45 am Last night, I tracked Dov and they didn't go anywhere.

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:53 pm unless cayvie's still around and wants to self pres onto carotte i guess lol

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:29 pm

Fatmo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:45 am Last night, I tracked Dov and they didn't go anywhere.

if fatmo is truly mafia, he might just be doing this for my vote to secure somewhere else, but we can assume that fatmo will be next target on the basis of him being tracker in late game. if there are 2 scum left (him being one), then he'll be using this strat to make me seem suspicious by defending me through his tracking, enabling the other mafia with a win. if fatmo doesn't get targeted, it's safest to assume he's mafia. if anyone else has something to say to kind of persuade me to change my vote before day ends, please go ahead.

Zuko (Fire Nation)

You have no abilities. You are town, and you win when all the mafia are dead.

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:34 pm i'm hardlining chardonnay or cayvie right now. i never saw a real objective in voting carrot. i don't think I would've defended against the decision if I was scum, I wanted cayvie chopped and I think this should further my point
i'm voting cayvie once again unless something switches up all of a sudden

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:34 pmi never saw a real objective in voting carrot. i don't think I would've defended against the decision if I was scum

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:24 pmnot feeling anything with fatmo, may be carrotte in a scenario where i am still alive based on her knowing it's my first game knowing i will be very vulnerable (then again lots of people could've used this strategy on this basis, i just know her personally)

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:28 pm i don't think it's chardonnay or wilgy

fmpov this leaves 3 teams, cayvie/fatmo, cayvie/dov, or dov/fatmo

if i can eliminate one of these i'll know who to vote