The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:11 pm u gals know spf way better than i do, but just for protocol's sake, nobody here has seen spf's scum game in forum mafia, right?

i indeed have not

hally may have if you count turbos?

but turbo meta is p different lol

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:09 pm i think my current list is p much exactly the one hally just posted. maybe swap tutuu and jay?

i’m kinda having paranoia about tutuu atm because she seems a bit different this game but i can’t tell if it’s like... based on anything or if it’s even AI? for some reason i feel like tutuu has an extremely scary wolf game and that if she ever does rand scum she’ll absolutely destroy us and i feel like i’m gonna have that fear until i actually see her scum game but idk if it’s like... a thing this game because i really do wanna tr her despite the buzzing of paranoia

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:14 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:09 pm i think my current list is p much exactly the one hally just posted. maybe swap tutuu and jay?

i’m kinda having paranoia about tutuu atm because she seems a bit different this game but i can’t tell if it’s like... based on anything or if it’s even AI? for some reason i feel like tutuu has an extremely scary wolf game and that if she ever does rand scum she’ll absolutely destroy us and i feel like i’m gonna have that fear until i actually see her scum game but idk if it’s like... a thing this game because i really do wanna tr her despite the buzzing of paranoia

i completely fooled dunya, carotte and tim when we played saboteur (mafia-esque card game)

tim: "tutuu is a scary wolf"

dunya: "dont ever trust her innocent eyes gain"

this might not be the best moment to brag about it after u just say ur paranoid. sorry hallie lol. but it wouldnt be me if i didnt choose this exact moment to post this

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:09 pm and i guess i'm less sure about thunal idk like i can get some of the points against her i just don't *feel* it

yea, idk. i’m not like... an expert at reading thun obviously but i don’t feel like she’s any different from her normal town self. i do still want to hear people’s concerns because it’s possible i’m getting snowed. i just don’t feel that rn though

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:11 pm u gals know spf way better than i do, but just for protocol's sake, nobody here has seen spf's scum game in forum mafia, right?

nope

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:13 pm hally may have if you count turbos?

no she’s only randed town so far

my scum game aside

spf being scum is the thing im terrified of. i have skimmed some of her scum games in epic mafia. its not exactly forum mafia but like. u guys just dont know. that thing ... it scares me

well if spf’s scum game is like mine (and it obviously is since we’re the same person ) she’s definitely capable of pocketing me/mindmelding with me as mafia. but atm i don’t feel like that’s happening. seems like town!spf afaic

i think its optimal for both town and mafia to each send the same person every night. lets keep sending spf and they will keep sending hally

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:28 pm i think its optimal for both town and mafia to each send the same person every night. lets keep sending spf and they will keep sending hally

@mafia please confirm itt that you agree to send me again. it’s better for all three of you to do it just so it’s extra clear

lol

im actually curious how is f5 resolved (3 town and 2 mafia)

u send 3 ppl to the grassland, and the 2 ppl in the treehouse vote and decide. but thats absurd. the first person to vote will win. f7 also feels awkward

unless they all go to the grassland on all fx situations and not just f3

but then the OP could use some rewording tbh!

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:24 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:21 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:20 pm Honestly I am tinfoiling that Tutuu is scum here.

can you talk to me about this? what specific things are making u worry about her?

Her progression on Alison. It just looks funky at times, maybe even fence sitting. Not to mention she was town-reading Alison for large parts of D1 iirc.

But within an hour or two earlier she puts Alison fairly high on her scum-read list.

Also if she's scum I think her stance regarding her reads of "I think everyone else is town" or something like that is mean to make her quite maneuverable without being put in a box for her reads.

I can get the quotes, but it'll take some time.

i can't really articulate why, but martin's push on tutuu from the post i just quoted-#1014 sort of gives me bad vibes

it might be the contrast btwn martin's reasoning for townreading thunal and martin's reasoning for scumreading tutuu. i thought martin's reasoning for townreading thunal at the start of the game was thoughtful and contrasted against this idea of what he would expect mafia to be doing. but his scumread on tutuu actually feels the opposite - martin is describing why tutuu's reads are somewhat inconsistent and not explaining why that inconsistency makes tutuu mafia. it seems pretty clear from tutuu's playstyle that she would bounce around reads and change her mind as either alignment - and i dont love that martin jumped immediately to "tinfoiling" tutuu over this discrepancy instead of questioning her about it and figuring out if it was coming from a genuine place

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:15 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:12 pm i think regardless of their alignment hally is going to be sent to the grasslands every single night by the mafia. if they did it n1 they are going to do it every night

i wonder if we proactively send hally as the person with lowest votes would do anything. probably nothing. but it would be a nice way to show our defiance. mafia: "this is how its gonna work", town: "yea how about no"

I think the level 1 (no WIFOM) play by mafia is to send whoever they they know they won't be killing (one of their own, a widely suspected player, the village idiot) into the Grasslands. That way the doc heal on them is wasted, and they can analyze night chat to see who is the best nightkill to make. That's what raised my suspicions about the Hally send - if Hally was town, nowhere they're the least likely person to eat an NK.

But the fact that nanook, tutuu and I have all developed wildly different strategies (send by alignment, send the same person every night, send the person you don't want to NK) for mafia here shows that the variety of strategies that could be adopted for picking a person to send to the Grasslands is extremely large, even without factoring in WIFOM. So it's probably not a good idea to jump to conclusions about why someone was sent, which improves my view on Hally slightly.

i actually quite like this post from alison - it is definitely the most genuine thing ive seen from her all game. in particular, i really like that she's going out of her way to poke holes into her "hally is mafia" theory when she would easily be incentivized as mafia to continue pushing/pursuing that angle. it feels like alison is organically re-considering her reads in this post, and the only reason i can think of why she would do this as mafia is if she believed her push on hally wouldnt get any kind of traction

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:21 pm my thoughts on the treehouse are summer up as follows

1) im glad i wasn’t in it
2) sloonei looks like a limp noodle in there
3) nut and nook are townier from it

that’s about all i could gather

this is going to be a HUGE shock to you but i more or less got the same observations from the treehouse that you did. but i actually thought jagged came off looking a little bit better than nook - did u notice any towntells from him?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:26 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:21 pm my thoughts on the treehouse are summer up as follows

2) sloonei looks like a limp noodle in there

You're like the fifth person to say this and my response is another exasperated sigh.

I have other things to do in my life and had nothing to say. I am playing the game when I am here.

okay

who is mafia, sloonei? who is town?

You are town. Jay is town. Spf is town. Nutella is town. Tutuu is town.
I am undecided on Thunal.
LC has yet to do anything that makes me want to town read him. I could say the same about nanook and martin. I felt good about Martin initially but that hasn’t carried over as the game has gone on. But I don’t have any reason to suspect him either.
Alison would probably be my top suspect at the moment.

A POE of Alison, LC, Thunal, nanook, and Martin feels okay right now.

why is alison your top suspect?

why does martin feel okay?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:19 pm my scum game aside

spf being scum is the thing im terrified of. i have skimmed some of her scum games in epic mafia. its not exactly forum mafia but like. u guys just dont know. that thing ... it scares me

lol i can link some of my scum games in forum mafia if it would make you feel better, but it is literally physically impossible for me to roll mafia outside of my homesite. i rigged the RNG so that i come out as town every time

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:35 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:19 pm my scum game aside

spf being scum is the thing im terrified of. i have skimmed some of her scum games in epic mafia. its not exactly forum mafia but like. u guys just dont know. that thing ... it scares me

lol i can link some of my scum games in forum mafia if it would make you feel better, but it is literally physically impossible for me to roll mafia outside of my homesite. i rigged the RNG so that i come out as town every time

high five

same

damn it spf did the effort / interest town tell

she just said she's tired from work and wont post until tomorrow and 30 mins later writes a wall

ok FINE. FINE. FINE.

u want spf to be town? FINE.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:37 pm damn it spf did the effort / interest town tell

she just said she's tired from work and wont post until tomorrow and 30 mins later writes a wall

ok FINE. FINE. FINE.

u want spf to be town? FINE.

(i stole that towntell from hey_monkey)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:37 pm damn it spf did the effort / interest town tell

she just said she's tired from work and wont post until tomorrow and 30 mins later writes a wall

ok FINE. FINE. FINE.

u want spf to be town? FINE.

(i stole that towntell from hey_monkey)

SCREW YOU LADY.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:32 pm lol

im actually curious how is f5 resolved (3 town and 2 mafia)

u send 3 ppl to the grassland, and the 2 ppl in the treehouse vote and decide. but thats absurd. the first person to vote will win. f7 also feels awkward

iirc in f5 or 7 it is first person to place a vote gets to give the gun. so if it’s town/mafia in the treehouse and mafia posts first they vote to give the gun to the mafia in the grasslands and that mafia shoots town, so town always loses. town has to vote first in that scenario to have a shot. and if it’s two mafia in the treehouse they always vote to give the gun to the mafia so town loses. i think? i actually don’t remember

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] ?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:39 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:32 pm lol

im actually curious how is f5 resolved (3 town and 2 mafia)

u send 3 ppl to the grassland, and the 2 ppl in the treehouse vote and decide. but thats absurd. the first person to vote will win. f7 also feels awkward

iirc in f5 or 7 it is first person to place a vote gets to give the gun. so if it’s town/mafia in the treehouse and mafia posts first they vote to give the gun to the mafia in the grasslands and that mafia shoots town, so town always loses. town has to vote first in that scenario to have a shot. and if it’s two mafia in the treehouse they always vote to give the gun to the mafia so town loses. i think? i actually don’t remember

@Dyslexicon ?

thats absurd. the game shouldnt be decided on who gets to post first in the quick topic. its a game of mafia not a game of reaction speed of who can write the fastest

i would never allow such a thing to be possible to happen in my games. it would be cool if the rules of this game are changed mid-game for this specific scenario. i think it would be better for everyone for the sake of fun

@ spf i admittedly didn’t really read the treehouse qt that closely because it gave me bad vibes so i didn’t really notice any specific town tells from jay in there, no. i’ve come around to thinking he’s likely just town though

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:44 pm @ spf i admittedly didn’t really read the treehouse qt that closely because it gave me bad vibes so i didn’t really notice any specific town tells from jay in there, no. i’ve come around to thinking he’s likely just town though

what are the main factors that are making u townlean him? honestly he's the player that im most worried about getting absolutely owned by (apart from you), so ive been kind of townreading him at arms-length for a lot of the game. i dont think any suspicion i have toward him really holds up to scrutiny, though

also spf i like your take on that alison post you quoted. i think that was the post that prompted me to say that thing about how i like alison’s posts when i read them but then get paranoid of her in my head when she’s not itt

also also mindmeld on tutuu calling out the “im going to sleep” tell

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:41 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:39 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:32 pm lol

im actually curious how is f5 resolved (3 town and 2 mafia)

u send 3 ppl to the grassland, and the 2 ppl in the treehouse vote and decide. but thats absurd. the first person to vote will win. f7 also feels awkward

iirc in f5 or 7 it is first person to place a vote gets to give the gun. so if it’s town/mafia in the treehouse and mafia posts first they vote to give the gun to the mafia in the grasslands and that mafia shoots town, so town always loses. town has to vote first in that scenario to have a shot. and if it’s two mafia in the treehouse they always vote to give the gun to the mafia so town loses. i think? i actually don’t remember

@Dyslexicon ?

thats absurd. the game shouldnt be decided on who gets to post first in the quick topic. its a game of mafia not a game of reaction speed of who can write the fastest

i would never allow such a thing to be possible to happen in my games. it would be cool if the rules of this game are changed mid-game for this specific scenario. i think it would be better for everyone for the sake of fun

i agree thats silly lol

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:30 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:28 pm i think its optimal for both town and mafia to each send the same person every night. lets keep sending spf and they will keep sending hally

@mafia please confirm itt that you agree to send me again. it’s better for all three of you to do it just so it’s extra clear

Roger Roger

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:47 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:44 pm @ spf i admittedly didn’t really read the treehouse qt that closely because it gave me bad vibes so i didn’t really notice any specific town tells from jay in there, no. i’ve come around to thinking he’s likely just town though

what are the main factors that are making u townlean him? honestly he's the player that im most worried about getting absolutely owned by (apart from you), so ive been kind of townreading him at arms-length for a lot of the game. i dont think any suspicion i have toward him really holds up to scrutiny, though

i honestly don’t know if i can point to specific things that make me go “yes, jay is absolutely town” but he just like... doesn’t seem bad to me. the only thing that i didn’t like was his defense of sloonei early on but his explanation for it was fine and since then he’s been playing like town!jay as far as i can tell

also, sloonei and nut know jay well and they both tr him. and it’s clear there’s always at least one villager in sloonei/nut because they’re hard unaligned. so that means that at least one villager who knows how to read jay tr’s him and it’s safe to sponge the read. that sounds kinda convoluted but i think it makes sense

[mention]Alison[/mention] your poe is sloonei/me/thun, right? and me/thun are there because you think we’re w/w. how does sloonei fit in there? also, where are you at on martin now?

imagine if sloonei is town haha that would be fun haha :D

[mention]MartinGG99[/mention] can you do an updated sorting/reads list please?

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Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:29 pm What was the best reason to suspect carot yesterday?

Unimpressive entrance followed by immediately going afk the moment pressure was applied.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:01 pm why did i town read martin? why did i stop doing that? is martin town? does anyone feel strongly about him any which way?

Yes, I feel strongly that Martin is town.

I did some catching up - the above posts are sporadic responses to stuff people were aiming my way as I read up. Here's where I'm at. Hally feels slightly better today, had a plausible explanation for not suspecting LC's triple vote, and my reasoning on Hally being sent to the Grasslands got slightly debunked. I still think Thunal is scum and I think Thunal can be pocketing Hally even if Hally is town.

Sloonei has no original reads and I dislike that. I don't think he's ever expressed an issue with me or engaged with me meaningfully and now I'm his top scum read. Feels opportunistic.

I thought a little more about the timing and context of nanook coming out with a hard townread on nova and I actually think it's really townie. I trust nanook. tutuu and Martin continue to be town.

Here's a note in self-defense. One of the biggest reasons people were suspecting me yesterday was that they felt I was W/W with Carotte. Now that Carotte has flipped town, you should be suspecting me some amount less if you are actually re-evaluating your reads and trying to figure out the game.

I've been reconsidering my nutella read because I feel like she hasn't actually done an awful lot when you get down to it, and one of the reasons I had for suspecting her in Radiohead was a sense of detachment/disengagement. But her ISO is actually pretty townie despite that. I don't townread her as strongly as I do nanook/tutuu/Martin, but I'm comfortable lightly trusting her for now.

Town:
nanook
tutuu
Martin
SPF

Townlean:
nutella
JJJ
LC

Light scumlean:
Hally

Scum:
Thunal
Sloonei

[mention]tutuu[/mention]: I think it's seriously illogical for you to view my meta as "Alison is always suspected/put in the POE when she's town" (which isn't true but the point is that you believe it), and then list "Alison isn't as consensus town as she was in Radiohead" to be a reason to suspect me.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:45 pm From a classical POE perspective, we'd presently need a pool of five. Congruently we'd need five non-self civilians. Can we get there? I have comfortable town reads on:

SPF
tutuu

Well, shit. That's as far as I get right now. If I allow myself to give more generous town credit and trust vaguer instincts, then I would go with Hally and nutella.

I would like your thoughts on Tutuu, if possible.

Most generally I think her play just looks authentic. For example: she has stated that she is capable of emotional play as a mafioso, and I believe her, but there is a specific character to the way her frustration developed here that rings true to me. On Day 1 she made one of her personal charges and contributions to keep track of everyone's reads/phantom votes to help facilitate consensus with eventual team voting decisions. So toward the end of Day 1 when some folks placed their votes [in a way that seemed whimsical and unplanned], it stood against the effort she personally gave and made her feel like her contribution was negated. That's a unique brand of frustration that I wouldn't quite anticipate, at least not in the same form, from someone who isn't being genuine.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:11 pm Caveat that I’m not sure how many scum teams think this way but

It’s almost always better for scum in that situation to send town unless SPF is mafia. So very good chance that Hally and SPF are aligned, and because carot was shot and flipped green, very good chance they’re both town.


Caveat that I’m not sure how many teams think this way, so it’s not like...not 100% locked in. But high likelihood imo.

I don't entirely follow what you're trying to explain. What is it about Carotte being town that makes SPF and Hally more likely to be aligned and/or more likely to be town together?

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:48 pm i thought i explained why i thought carotte would be town in the chat but i’ll try to make it clearer

the last time we both played this setup i pushed hard all of D1 on gia and got her sent to the grassland. i was sent too by scum along with dizzy who was chosen by town. and one of the first things dizzy said in the chat that night was that me being there probably meant gia was town because if she was mafia like i’d thought, i’d have been killed rather than sent. he was right, gia was town

fast forward to this game where i pushed hard on carotte and then found myself sent to the grasslands with her and spf. when i saw that it immediately made me think of the time before and what me being there could mean. it was a natural conclusion to think, based on that previous experience, that the reason i was sent was because carotte was town

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:33 pm I want to read nutella as a civilian, and I am afraid to do so because she only seems to trust me when she's evil.

I have good feelings about JJJ overall but dislike this hedge on nutella.

Nice hedge.

This looks fake again. There's nothing wrong with what I said, quite frankly. I expressed a pretty ordinary human experience.

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:04 pm im curious, why did you want to wait for me to answer before linking it?

Because I speculated an answer on your behalf in there and didn't want you just grabbing my comments as an excuse.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:26 pm You are town. Jay is town. Spf is town. Nutella is town. Tutuu is town.
I am undecided on Thunal.
LC has yet to do anything that makes me want to town read him. I could say the same about nanook and martin. I felt good about Martin initially but that hasn’t carried over as the game has gone on. But I don’t have any reason to suspect him either.
Alison would probably be my top suspect at the moment.

A POE of Alison, LC, Thunal, nanook, and Martin feels okay right now.

Best I can say for Sloonei is that our reads are in pretty close alignment. Two thoughts emerge:

1) Usually when we're both town we agree on stuff. So cool.

2) If Sloonei is a mafioso, then I get the impression there is at least one significant issue with my reads otherwise and/or with the general consensus -- because he is content to share in that consensus.

All else aside I like that he and I are in lockstep on Alison. She is probably my top suspect too.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:00 am Sloonei has no original reads and I dislike that. I don't think he's ever expressed an issue with me or engaged with me meaningfully and now I'm his top scum read. Feels opportunistic.

Sloonei's ISO

Open this and CTRL+F "Alison".

This assertion is just not true. I want to eliminate Alison.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:34 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:00 am Sloonei has no original reads and I dislike that. I don't think he's ever expressed an issue with me or engaged with me meaningfully and now I'm his top scum read. Feels opportunistic.

Sloonei's ISO

Open this and CTRL+F "Alison".

This assertion is just not true. I want to eliminate Alison.

I did. I'm not seeing it. Quote the post where he meaningfully engages with me.

Also if you want to get me eliminated, you're going to have to do better than vaguely asserting that my posts are "fake" or full of "bravado" and then saying that you don't believe my case on Thunal for no reason despite not being able to actually rebut any of my arguments.

I've seen some gentle tinfoil here and there about SPF, so I will share my own perspective/how I have read her in our recent games together:

She boasts a strong tone. That is to her credit, and we can accept it as warranting trust to a fair extent -- with the caveat that she is probably good at that both ways (as we saw with Finale Hally). So beyond just tone I take a hard and close look at the specific rationale she presents. If she is making sense to me, whether I agree or not, then I view that as a good sign. If she is making sense and I agree, that's a great sign. I have not felt, at least to this point in the game, that SPF has voiced reads that I felt looked inauthentic or could not be justified by valid, sound reasoning. That kind of thing is not "impossible" to fake, but I see no reason to assume that it's fake. Until further notice she is just a town read.

@jagged -

if you haven't already, could you please give me the sparknotes version of what specific things about alison that you suspect? i did share a similar concern about her play on d1, but i haven't taken much issue with what she's posted yet today - there's actually been a few spots (particularly her re-consideration of her teamread on hally/thunal) that came across as pretty genuine and made me do a double take on my read on her

What do I win jay

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:35 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:34 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:00 am Sloonei has no original reads and I dislike that. I don't think he's ever expressed an issue with me or engaged with me meaningfully and now I'm his top scum read. Feels opportunistic.

Sloonei's ISO

Open this and CTRL+F "Alison".

This assertion is just not true. I want to eliminate Alison.

I did. I'm not seeing it. Quote the post where he meaningfully engages with me.

317 -- has a lot to say about you, some of it positive
549 -- directly addresses you
706 -- continues to consider the matter of Alison out loud
769 and 782 -- directly addresses you twice, both with questions for you to engage with
795 -- general query about you
815 -- voices uncertain concern
826 -- makes his concern more specific, quoting numerous Alison posts
827 and 832 -- directly engages two other people about you
840 -- votes for you among two others and makes suspicion clear

You said he didn't engage with you "meaningfully". That looks like hot bullshit to me.

You said he didn't ever express an issue with you. That is objectively false.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:36 am Also if you want to get me eliminated, you're going to have to do better than vaguely asserting that my posts are "fake" or full of "bravado" and then saying that you don't believe my case on Thunal for no reason despite not being able to actually rebut any of my arguments.

There you go. This post also serves little purpose beyond discrediting me in a way that does not fairly reflect my treatment of you.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:50 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:01 pm why did i town read martin? why did i stop doing that? is martin town? does anyone feel strongly about him any which way?

Yes, I feel strongly that Martin is town.

why?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:50 am @jagged -

if you haven't already, could you please give me the sparknotes version of what specific things about alison that you suspect? i did share a similar concern about her play on d1, but i haven't taken much issue with what she's posted yet today - there's actually been a few spots (particularly her re-consideration of her teamread on hally/thunal) that came across as pretty genuine and made me do a double take on my read on her

I just flat don't believe her reads are real, and I never really have at any stage of this game. It started with "Martin already pocketed me" and "Sloonei is making things up" -- two claims that seemed 1) too strong for the situation at hand and 2) not aligned with the kind of language I expect to see Alison use.

Since then she has made cases against Thunal and Hally, and those cases rang hollow to me. They just weren't compelling. I struggle to buy it. Telling me that I am "hedging on nutella" because I expressed basic paranoia is bunk. It's happened enough times now that I have felt this way about her reads, that the holistic picture of her hunt just looks wrong to me.

i'm finding myself in a fairly frustrated position today because i have like 2-3 people that i feel pretty okay about being town, (hally tutuu nutella (although she is kind of trending down today? im waiting to see more content from her), and the rest of my reads beyond that feel concerningly flimsy. i think that i townread jagged and thunal but i can't logically justify those townleans with much else than: "tone/demeanor". i'm going to try a trustfall/distrustfall tomorrow to figure out where my reads are at

Still waiting to find out what I win

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:54 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:50 am @jagged -

if you haven't already, could you please give me the sparknotes version of what specific things about alison that you suspect? i did share a similar concern about her play on d1, but i haven't taken much issue with what she's posted yet today - there's actually been a few spots (particularly her re-consideration of her teamread on hally/thunal) that came across as pretty genuine and made me do a double take on my read on her

I just flat don't believe her reads are real, and I never really have at any stage of this game. It started with "Martin already pocketed me" and "Sloonei is making things up" -- two claims that seemed 1) too strong for the situation at hand and 2) not aligned with the kind of language I expect to see Alison use.

Since then she has made cases against Thunal and Hally, and those cases rang hollow to me. They just weren't compelling. I struggle to buy it. Telling me that I am "hedging on nutella" because I expressed basic paranoia is bunk. It's happened enough times now that I have felt this way about her reads, that the holistic picture of her hunt just looks wrong to me.

thanks for explaining - i'll take a closer look at her ISO. i haven't taken as much explicit concern w/alison's gamesolving as you have, but the biggest thing that i have to support the idea that alison could be mafia is simply the fact that her tone is different and considerably less assertive/pronounced than it was in radiohead mafia. i could always follow alison's logic/reads clearly and it was basically impossible to not tr her - but the blatantly obvious town energy that she showed in spades is kind of non-existent in this game

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 16, 2020 5:57 am Still waiting to find out what I win

Spoiler: show

maybe if I add a spoiler I’ll get an answer

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