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Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:02 pm**

I am encouraged to know that hyena and I are reaching similar conclusions.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:15 pm**

Poison’s lack of posts makes me fairly confident this is a hit

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:34 pm**

Hasn't she posted a lot today though?

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:43 pm**

Not in the last 16 houes

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:01 pm**

rise and shine

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:20 pm**

good morning
sunday morning

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:28 pm**

If it’s not poison then it’s enrique.
If it’s not poison or enrique then it’s someone well-concealed or not in the thread.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:38 pm**

Enrique wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:20 pm good morning
sunday morning

it's 9 o'clock on a saturday
the regular crowd shuffles in

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:42 pm**

Guys it’s wednesday

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:18 pm**

monday morning you sure look fine

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:55 pm**

Im bored

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:56 pm**

we /can/ hammer here. there's very little loss of value.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:31 pm**

*wild poison appears*

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:31 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 8:56 pm we /can/ hammer here. there's very little loss of value.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:32 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 5:28 pm If it’s not poison then it’s enrique.
If it’s not poison or enrique then it’s someone well-concealed or not in the thread.

I think Enrique, funnygurl PoE is good.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:15 pm Poison’s lack of posts makes me fairly confident this is a hit

But didn't you say I am playing like last game, were there any moments when people said this.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:34 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:34 pm Hasn't she posted a lot today though?

What's your read on me?

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:35 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:28 am Poison has the floor.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:44 pm**

Does Vulgard treat his teammate like this? No one was really pressuring funnygurl at this point. Vulgard was starting to feel some heat at this point, though. This feels a bit too early for a panic bus on his part. Tentative good look for funnygurl. He substantiates his point here.

This is an easy early distancjng because vul was always getting scum read right after the 2 pages. I don't see why a scummate won't do this?

This does not feel like a staged interaction between teammates. funnygurl's tone is much more aggressive. Vulgard responds a bit timidly, turning her read into a question and then shrugging. If they are partners, I expect them to be a bit closer in tone here. For reference, Vulgard's next post is a similar response to Syn:

what do you mean by the colored part [mention]Sloonei[/mention] i don't think that is necessarily right. I was pretty aggressive while soft shading/distancing TSP early in the game.

Post #124 is funnygurl's response to the above post. She again comes off as the aggressor here, and Vulgard is clearly on the defensive in his response. I do not think this is what distancing looks like: vulgard initiated it, but funnygurl immediately spun it back around on him. If they are distancing, I would expect it to be move more consistently in one direction; Vulgard starts as the aggressor and maintains that role throughout, with only slight pushback from funnygurl. Instead, Vulgard made one point about funnygurl, and she immediately started wielding that to push her own suspicion against him, and his only response was to duck and cover.

Unlike the above post, I think this post makes a fair point and I can agree to it.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:53 pm**

Let's compare these three player assessments. Alison has "really, really leveled up"; i.e., she looks much better now than she did before. Okay.
Poison "is weird... muted... very, very odd." She possibly has TMI and it "feels awful" despite the hedge about the "hot take."
Marmot is "kinda towny" but we're just gonna chuck that read out of the window because

If one of these is Vulgard's teammate, it's Poison.

So this is an assumption and lemme ask you this, do you think a scum would be town reading all town members and scum read his teammate, hmmm, kinda meh right? how about we look at the bigger picture -
Day 1, scum getting scum read to and fro, a townie getting scum read to and fro [if you don't believe I'm town just assume here] what would the scum do?
Try to give explanations and lynch the townie as if it's their solid scum read? Or any other thing he would have done?

Is it so unbelievable a scenario?

The Alison read reads as a wolf surrendering on a push against a civilian who has become obvious. Marmot is town because "I read my teammate as town for no reason but I don't care about this read so I'm gonna ignore it and then vote for them" is not a thing that happens.
Poison gets three vaguely negative adjectives applied to her ("weird, muted, odd") before we get to the meaty part of the read, which is itself filled with erinaceous (this is a word and we're gonna make it catch on) language: "It seems...", "possibly indicative..." "I know x, but y." Given the conviction behind Vulgard's previous suspicions (Alison, Syn), the softness of this read makes it feel like he is hesitating and trying not to come off too strong. Also, this is his first mention of Poison in his ISO. Marmot as well, but Poison had been much more active than Marmot to this point.

The adjective deduction is brilliant, not necessarily right but brilliant. I would definitely take advantage of this to confuse you next game.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:56 pm**

I'm going back to sleep would be back later

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:56 pm**

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:15 pm Poison’s lack of posts makes me fairly confident this is a hit
But didn't you say I am playing like last game, were there any moments when people said this.

It would have been said if you had lost energy. And I think you would have lost energy with substantial pressure on you.

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:57 pm**

poison pointed out something that makes me queasy though

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm**

poison claim

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm**

well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:28 pm**

i don't think i'ma waver from my poison scum read though

Posted: **Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:54 pm**

I have strong reasons to town read everyone but Poison.
I have clear reasons to suspect Poison independent of the POE.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:40 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:56 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:33 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:15 pm Poison’s lack of posts makes me fairly confident this is a hit
But didn't you say I am playing like last game, were there any moments when people said this.
It would have been said if you had lost energy. And I think you would have lost energy with substantial pressure on you.

I see

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:48 am**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:54 pm I have strong reasons to town read everyone but Poison.
I have clear reasons to suspect Poison independent of the POE.

You have to find strong reasons to scum read from the people you have found strong reasons to town read, better start early? I mean it does not matter if you lynch me or not, you have to do it either way. Maybe you don't realize but because I'm seeming scummy to you, you are not ready to look around you.

I mean for the town's good, maybe consider another mafia to be here and look for them? Who would that be? Shall we try to find that out?

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:48 am**

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:28 pm i don't think i'ma waver from my poison scum read though

So scum loses this game? So early???

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:51 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps

I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:52 am**

[VOTE: Enrique] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:11 am**

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps
I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.

well something clearly happened

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:11 am**

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:48 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:28 pm i don't think i'ma waver from my poison scum read though

So scum loses this game? So early???

is this a scum claim

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:12 am**

maybe there are reasons not to hammer though

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:38 am**

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:34 pm Hasn't she posted a lot today though?
What's your read on me?

Town.

I'm townreading everyone right now

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:39 am**

Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps
I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.

Could something obvious have happened?

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:22 pm**

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:44 pm what do you mean by the colored part @Sloonei i don't think that is necessarily right. I was pretty aggressive while soft shading/distancing TSP early in the game.

The point I was trying to make in the text you highlighted is the same one that I made in more detail immediately afterward (in your post), about which you said this:

Unlike the above post, I think this post makes a fair point and I can agree to it.

By "If they are partners, I expect them to be a bit closer in tone here." I meant to say that if funnygurl and vulgard are partners, then their interactions will feel more coordinated than they were. "Closer in tone", meaning they will both have a relatively similar tone to one another during the interactions, and the relationship between them (vulgard as the aggressor versus funnygurl) should remain as it is.
But, as I noted in the next post, which you agreed with, that did not happen. Vulgard started out aggressive, funnygurl responded with heightened intensity, and Vulgard folded and turned defensive.

Why did you say you "dont think that is necessarily right" if you did not understand the point I was trying to make?

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:26 pm**

Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:53 pm So this is an assumption and lemme ask you this, do you think a scum would be town reading all town members and scum read his teammate, hmmm, kinda meh right? how about we look at the bigger picture -
Day 1, scum getting scum read to and fro, a townie getting scum read to and fro [if you don't believe I'm town just assume here] what would the scum do?
Try to give explanations and lynch the townie as if it's their solid scum read? Or any other thing he would have done?

Is it so unbelievable a scenario?

Vulgard was not town reading all the town members. He voted for Marmot soon after the post in question. He pushed for Syn consistently throughout the day and Alison early on. He pushed hard on Mac after LC flipped. I think those are two members.
I think Vulgard being under such significant pressure from such an early stage would force him to do some things he normally wouldn't. That's not a comfortable position to be in for anybody, let alone a wolf in a relatively new environment. He had to be careful and also probably try to start setting up some distance between himself and his partner(s). I think his interactions with you look the most like what I'd assume distancing would look like in this instance.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:27 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:26 pm I think those are two members

ebwop: I think those are all town members.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:52 pm**

[mention]Poison[/mention] explain this post to me in a world where Enrique is mafia. #216 in case the link doesn't work.

He goes from hard defending Vulgard, who was under heavy pressure, to attacking Long Con, who was under little to no pressure, unprovoked in the same post.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:30 pm**

hit both the team mates in the same post

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:33 pm**

I don't understand how that clears Enrique.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:33 pm**

Maybe this is why Sloonei is the mafia champion and I am not.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:37 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:33 pm I don't understand how that clears Enrique.

"I'm going to defend the one partner who's being treated as a piñata but give no solid justification for it and then, in the same breath, turn around and bury my other partner who nobody's even talking about" does not seem like a likely thought process from a member of the mafia team.

But I am open to Enrique being scum and will listen to arguments.

But also, more importantly, my question was specifically intended for Poison.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:53 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:11 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps
I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.
well something clearly happened

the host informed me nothing happened from my role.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:54 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:38 am
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:34 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:34 pm Hasn't she posted a lot today though?
What's your read on me?
Town.

I'm townreading everyone right now

Everyone.... That's like trsut... A lot of trust!!

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:54 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:11 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:48 am
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:28 pm i don't think i'ma waver from my poison scum read though

So scum loses this game? So early???
is this a scum claim

If I claim town, would you believe me?

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:55 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:39 am
Poison wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:51 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:01 pm well claims don't really help cause roles are distributed semi-randomly but maybe an action claim helps
I know nothing about my role, lol. Everything is a maybe - maybe not. With no specification what my role is. I targeted mac and nothing happened.
Could something obvious have happened?

I'm pretty sure not cause if him getting out of the thread was from my role then how did Alison got out of the thread. Also, the host informed me nothing happened because of my role.

Posted: **Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:59 pm**

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:22 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:44 pm what do you mean by the colored part @Sloonei i don't think that is necessarily right. I was pretty aggressive while soft shading/distancing TSP early in the game.
The point I was trying to make in the text you highlighted is the same one that I made in more detail immediately afterward (in your post), about which you said this:
Unlike the above post, I think this post makes a fair point and I can agree to it.
By "If they are partners, I expect them to be a bit closer in tone here." I meant to say that if funnygurl and vulgard are partners, then their interactions will feel more coordinated than they were. "Closer in tone", meaning they will both have a relatively similar tone to one another during the interactions, and the relationship between them (vulgard as the aggressor versus funnygurl) should remain as it is.
But, as I noted in the next post, which you agreed with, that did not happen. Vulgard started out aggressive, funnygurl responded with heightened intensity, and Vulgard folded and turned defensive.

Why did you say you "dont think that is necessarily right" if you did not understand the point I was trying to make?

What I understood from the first made me say the quoted part. Because, as I said, that part mainly focused on aggressiveness and early distancing, which I still stand by with my earlier quote. I don't think I amde the statement without understanding that part you wrote. Unlike the latter part I agreed to. That part was specified and clear.

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