The Syndicate

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:02 pm Idk how feel about fake claims.. Pretty sure I don't like it, that gives me some bad vibes

Why?

nutella having a nonchalant attitude to me pushing her is slightly townie since if she's town she knows she won't get exed D1 and if she's mafia she knows she'll probably get exed D1.

But only slightly. She's not dumb.

@JaggedJimmyJay Reveal Sloonei's role card for me so I don't have to figure out whether he is mafia for that 4 player salad.

Alison what do you think about lost monkey?

The sloonei thing was clearly meme/bait lol

Like he could do that as scum I guess but it was definitely intentional regardless

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:14 pm The sloonei thing was clearly meme/bait lol

I don't think it was a pure reaction test because he later went on to describe serious seeming scumreads on all of those players.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:14 pm Alison what do you think about lost monkey?

No strong opinions there. I think it's plausible that the concerns JJJ has raised on them are the result of a playstyle difference like they claimed, and I have not been strongly pinged by them.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:16 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:14 pm The sloonei thing was clearly meme/bait lol

I don't think it was a pure reaction test because he later went on to describe serious seeming scumreads on all of those players.

I mean putting in that format was a meme but those can still be his actual suspects/at least names he wants talked about

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:12 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:02 pm Idk how feel about fake claims.. Pretty sure I don't like it, that gives me some bad vibes

Why?

I'm not sure. I mean Alison's explanation makes sense I guess but idk I feel like lying on purpose makes me sus bc that's what mafia have to do. Maybe I'm just not thinking on this 4d chess level that y'all are yet

Maybe. But the quality of the reads still concern me. I know I'm town, I think Mac is town, I think Guillo is obvtown, and hawkataine's posting has been pretty solid and unobjectionable to me. It's rare that Sloonei and I diverge so strongly from our views in the game when we're both town. I would appreciate JJJ's input there since he has a good read on Sloon.

I have just re-read Owner's ISO and it was much scummier than I remembered. Owner is an active suspect of mine.

Dana expressing doubt and uncertainty about my fakeclaim but not trying to angle for a policy exe on me for it is a good look.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:56 am

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:58 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:14 pm First date icebreaker question for everyone: what’s your favorite trip you’ve ever been on?

Disney World/Disney Cruises. And you?

Follow up, why did you choose to ask this particular question?

Hi!

To the PerC people and/or anyone else who wants to answer:

1) what do you think you bring to a game when you're town?
2) what do you hope to accomplish this game?

1. My town reads.
2. Win with town.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:09 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:01 am Finding someone genuine?


Unrelated, screw nested quotes. Really.

yeah lol

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:17 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 8:11 pm Not really the only reason no I just sort of generally toneread you as wolfy/found your approach disingenuous, starting with the dana read (bc again I'm a defender of hedginess and didn't see it your way). But as you've posted more it seems like that's just your style and you are poking in various places and have solvey intentions. I could move off you but don't know where

You could just unvote? There is no compulsion that a person needs to be voted. This I could move off you but don't know where stuff I don't buy it and seems fake. Leaning scum here.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:29 am Allison like an evolved form of alana lol.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:45 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:33 am

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:02 pm Hello, I'm Tangy and this is my first mafia game.

Hi Tangy. This may be one of my final mafia games I play. I have been considering retirement. Not, to rain on the date though, I just feel as though I can't mod how I want to mod anymore, which is my main appeal to the game in the recent years.

Owner you should try modding games here owner. Some of the setup i have seen here are right up your alley.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:28 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:20 pm

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:17 pm What do you want me to expand?

lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 3:22 amIf I didn't play a game before this one, I would been the same way as act and you on dana.

It'd be super to know what made you feel this way, and what playing a game before this one did to change your perspective.

The playstyles are mainly the reason if I have to say. Certain things which you guys see as townie are not seen as townie thing over there. Now lets take act what you guys saw stilted and acting scummie from act we consider as something normal from her. This is her playstyle this is how she plays regardless of alignment. Similarly to what you felt with gnome. I felt the same way when I saw syn, mac play. Dana coming in and saying i am nervous and stuff if i didnt see others play last game even i would have felt it was scummie.

Like my impression is most of LM's posts are comments on things that don't actually have bearing on the game itself, there's a couple like the discussion of act's style that could come close to giving a read but avoid actually doing so. There's a hint of a scumread on me, and some interaction with Jay and that's it. I feel like they're hesitant to actually get into the meat of the game.

What are LM's town reads? See answer to my first question.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:20 pm Maybe. But the quality of the reads still concern me. I know I'm town, I think Mac is town, I think Guillo is obvtown, and hawkataine's posting has been pretty solid and unobjectionable to me. It's rare that Sloonei and I diverge so strongly from our views in the game when we're both town. I would appreciate JJJ's input there since he has a good read on Sloon.

I have just re-read Owner's ISO and it was much scummier than I remembered. Owner is an active suspect of mine.

Talk to me about this.

I thought Owner was sort of off-topic/not into the game yet in a more similar way to Gnome (which I found townier than LM's borderline approach)

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:31 pm I thought Owner was sort of off-topic/not into the game yet in a more similar way to Gnome (which I found townier than LM's borderline approach)

Yeah, that's what I would say too. I don't think I think much of Gnome or Owner insofar as alignment right now.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:13 pm @JaggedJimmyJay Reveal Sloonei's role card for me so I don't have to figure out whether he is mafia for that 4 player salad.

He did that on purpose for a meme. I town read him.

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:17 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:12 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:02 pm Idk how feel about fake claims.. Pretty sure I don't like it, that gives me some bad vibes

Why?

I'm not sure. I mean Alison's explanation makes sense I guess but idk I feel like lying on purpose makes me sus bc that's what mafia have to do. Maybe I'm just not thinking on this 4d chess level that y'all are yet

So you are new to mafia then?

I still have other things I want to do before a full town reads list and further questions, I'm multitasking like crazy for a while. With that said, someone should talk to me about Alison and/or Mac. They're like the two TS folks I have less of a handle on right now I think.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:34 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:17 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:12 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:02 pm Idk how feel about fake claims.. Pretty sure I don't like it, that gives me some bad vibes

Why?

I'm not sure. I mean Alison's explanation makes sense I guess but idk I feel like lying on purpose makes me sus bc that's what mafia have to do. Maybe I'm just not thinking on this 4d chess level that y'all are yet

So you are new to mafia then?

New-ish? I played a few games back around 2015 and then one in 2019 and two in the past two weeks.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:13 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:11 pm Gavial is like Ara + Wilgy + something else I can’t quite pin down.

Well how would you describe that something else?

Oh, forgot to answer this, sorry. I'm not sure! It doesn't matter. I'll keep mulling over it.

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:38 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:34 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:17 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:12 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:02 pm Idk how feel about fake claims.. Pretty sure I don't like it, that gives me some bad vibes

Why?

I'm not sure. I mean Alison's explanation makes sense I guess but idk I feel like lying on purpose makes me sus bc that's what mafia have to do. Maybe I'm just not thinking on this 4d chess level that y'all are yet

So you are new to mafia then?

New-ish? I played a few games back around 2015 and then one in 2019 and two in the past two weeks.

Well, then here a lesson for life.

The ONLY difference between Town and Mafia is TMI.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:43 pm There are now ISO links in the opening post.

Thank you boss!

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:41 pm Well, then here a lesson for life.

The ONLY difference between Town and Mafia is TMI.

I will keep this in mind, thank u

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:43 pm There are now ISO links in the opening post.

Your effort is appreciated.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:38 pm I still have other things I want to do before a full town reads list and further questions, I'm multitasking like crazy for a while. With that said, someone should talk to me about Alison and/or Mac. They're like the two TS folks I have less of a handle on right now I think.

To make it clear, I have to backread some more too, haven't read anything. Down with ketchup. But I'd still like to.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:45 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:43 pm There are now ISO links in the opening post.

Your effort is appreciated.

So we're still waiting on two Percy Go people huh.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:41 am Is Tangy town? She was the only one here and already calls someone scum without input.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:03 am [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine Day 1 questionnaires are sus

--
though the question seems harmless...hmmm

idk...

There are too many good trips to pick from...final answer

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:29 am Nutella's first post pinged me a little...not sure if I have really heard upgaymers? in a sentence before..it could be nai, it's just a bit out there for me which...on this first date I expect there is more not less of it to come (almost spelled that wrong) I think I need to get out more

There's a pattern of shading players based on points that I think are unjustified or frivolous. I don't think it's nitpicking, because Owner doesn't commit to them or push the players in question. They hedge a lot, phrasing their scumreads as questions and adding lots of "hmms" and "idks" and ellipses to give the impression of uncertainty. I've seen the explanation for the Sloonei suspicion, but it contributes to a wider pattern of shade-casting that I can't ignore.

It's like they're trying hard to plant the seeds of suspicion or doubt while double-confirming that they have plausible deniability and a way to backtrack on their read if nobody bites.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:33 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:13 pm @JaggedJimmyJay Reveal Sloonei's role card for me so I don't have to figure out whether he is mafia for that 4 player salad.

He did that on purpose for a meme. I town read him.

Okay.

I think Mac mentioned that JJJ had an implied townread on Owner but I couldn't see where. If JJJ has a towncase on Owner I'd like to see it.

Thanks for elaborating, Alison. I can see that. I seem to recall Owner being a pretty easy misyeet when she's town and I'm trying to access my internal databases on that.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:51 pm Thanks for elaborating, Alison. I can see that. I seem to recall Owner being a pretty easy misyeet when she's town and I'm trying to access my internal databases on that.

Maybe some PerC folks can talk about this.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:50 pm I think Mac mentioned that JJJ had an implied townread on Owner but I couldn't see where. If JJJ has a towncase on Owner I'd like to see it.

I don’t have a read on Owner.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 5:37 pm i hope you’re all enjoying your appetizers

Omg for sure!

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:42 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 1:21 pm General question for our Percy friends, or for those to whom it applies:

Dana wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:18 pm hello everyone! I'm so nervous but also very excited to make lots of new friends!!

A few of you have either voiced direct suspicion of Dana for this post or suggested that you would have or could have done so in the ensuing dialogue relating to Act and Guillotine.

Why? What about this Dana post is worrisome, or could be worrisome? I ask this to develop my ability to interpret everyone involved, perhaps even Dana herself. My first instinct is that not everyone voicing a sentiment like this is being honest, but determining who is not going to be easy if the conversation continues to exist on this vague plane of woulds/coulds/nulls. Help an angry bear out.

Why ate you going back to this when we already moved on and the reason for suspicious was debunked already?

Why are you trying to stop solving? Unless you think this post isn’t trying to solve anything. In which case, what do you think Jay is doing instead?

Maybe I'm resisting an Alison townread for some reason. I'll see if I can articulate it later, and if I can't I'll just accept her into the D1 towncore.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:09 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:19 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:12 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:07 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 5:06 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:59 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:57 pm

I like your first posts. Nice to meet you!

Likewise!

What do you like about them?

They feel genuine. I also feel the progression works. So, yeah. I like ‘em.

Sooooooo
Tell me about this progression, how does it work that makes you like it?
Want to quote some of Tang’s posts?

It’s the opening posts. Frankly, I haven’t read past the first page aside from what I’m seeing quoted here at the end of this page Do you think Tang’s posts are reading scummy? Is it that you’re disagreeing with me that makes you suspect my thoughts on this? If so, I’d love to hear more about that.

For me, opening posts can be really telling. Someone is either an eager scum trying too hard to appear towny right off the bat or they are town eager to get the game started. In that consideration, Tang’s posts gave me vibes of the latter.

Nope not saying they are wolfy I saying they are null.

You seem to be talking allot about how your reading people based off their opening post and then questioned me thus me responding with the above.
Now here’s a couple things.
1)What’s your opinion regarding my opening? (IMO it’s kinda something random I did that I’ve seen someone do in another game)
2)I was asking you about what that progression is that works and I don’t see any mention of that here all I see is constant speech regarding opening posts.

WOAH!
LOok whAT I FOunD!
@Actvscenei

I guess your posts were so unremarkable I completely didn’t see you there...lol. Sorry about that! Thank you for pointing it out. It does help me recognize that this conversation was with you (which clearly I had forgotten).

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:10 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:58 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:57 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:54 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 4:14 pm First date icebreaker question for everyone: what’s your favorite trip you’ve ever been on?

Disney World/Disney Cruises. And you?

Follow up, why did you choose to ask this particular question?

wolfy first post

Agreed let’s pressure them!

WOAH here’s the fuckin reason!
Might wanna get those eyes of yours checked!

Thanks! I appreciate you pointing this out to me. My eyes are pretty awful and my contacts have expired so...makes sense

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:13 pm

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:26 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 9:10 am If you don't believe in readslists for some reason, feel free to leave whatever other legacy you want. I'm just trying to make sure we aren't left with nothing but your suspicion on Dana if you flip green.

You aren’t left with nothing lol. I encourage you to read all my posts and interactions and not just the ones that fit your narrative that I’m scum because I suspect Dana.

I've just done this, and I am left uncertain about most of your views of the game.

You suspected Dana and you liked Tangrowth. Each has been discussed plenty already. Otherwise, I don't know? You have a non-read on Garden Gnome and haven't said much about anyone else in particular -- you've asked questions about nutella without a clear conclusion that I've seen. You made an essentially alignment-neutral assertion about Guillotine.

Whaddya think? I don't need a "reads list" if you don't want, but I've done here what you asked of Alison and still don't know much.

Well then, I guess that’s your answer about my reads.

I'm late, I'm late! For a very important date! No time to say "hello, goodbye," I'm late, I'm late, I'm late!

Fortunately I'm town, so it doesn't matter much.

Also, sorry y'all, but there is almost no chance I'll be able to do much of anything D1. I am trsvelling right now, but will be home tomorrow night so will have more time later.

Who should I vote for? I'm sheeping the first person who tells me what to do in a way I feel is townie.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:05 pm I'm late, I'm late! For a very important date! No time to say "hello, goodbye," I'm late, I'm late, I'm late!

Welcome! Nice to meet you, I'm Tangy.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:07 pm Fortunately I'm town, so it doesn't matter much.

Also, sorry y'all, but there is almost no chance I'll be able to do much of anything D1. I am trsvelling right now, but will be home tomorrow night so will have more time later.

Who should I vote for? I'm sheeping the first person who tells me what to do in a way I feel is townie.

Vote Owner of a Lonely Heart.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:07 pm Fortunately I'm town, so it doesn't matter much.

Also, sorry y'all, but there is almost no chance I'll be able to do much of anything D1. I am trsvelling right now, but will be home tomorrow night so will have more time later.

Who should I vote for? I'm sheeping the first person who tells me what to do in a way I feel is townie.

You should sheep wherever I end up sheeping, that'd be fun.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:05 pm I'm late, I'm late! For a very important date! No time to say "hello, goodbye," I'm late, I'm late, I'm late!

Welcome! Nice to meet you, I'm Tangy.

Hi Tangy, who should I vote for?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:09 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 6:05 pm I'm late, I'm late! For a very important date! No time to say "hello, goodbye," I'm late, I'm late, I'm late!

Welcome! Nice to meet you, I'm Tangy.

Hi Tangy, who should I vote for?

I'm actually not sure yet. I would just say definitely don't vote any of these:

Dana
Jay
nutella
Sloonei

This is going to be funny to watch the MafC people try to lunch all the "new people" in the early game.