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hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:15 pm seanzie/michelle is not w/w. if it's t/w it's on michelle to be the wolf. I think it's t/t

Seanzie, HK, both town

rip mansnicks someday I'll read you as town I promise.
lets kill TSP today
[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

Pretty much got spewed town by michelle. Also osb guy should be scum as well.

NUUUUuuuuuUUuUUUuUuuuuUuuuu

who kidnapped Alison!? How dare!

Also wow my sus was good. wasted a charge but still

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:05 am NUUUUuuuuuUUuUUUuUuuuuUuuuu

who kidnapped Alison!? How dare!

Also wow my sus was good. wasted a charge but still

This is going to be a quiet day. Or maybe not. It might be a talkative day for Michelle's scum buddies without Alison to sus the heck out of them.

I'm coming down off my meds, so give me a day, I'll have a read of Alisons sus list and unleash my madness/magic/depends what mood i'm in.

Aw shit have a bad feeling about this

I must be spewed by Michelle, right?

We must protect Honey at all times.

Nice

I'll get around to reading Michelle for spew later. Who kills falcon is a good question to ask I think

I'm at work until 6 so I'll be around sparingly. If anyone has any questions or want me to look through things when I get home let me know.

Yeah I’m also kinda not around

Okay, I'm actually going to try to try today. No promises on if that will work though.

Good job whoever killed Michelle.

I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

I'm not following you at all care to elaborate on what you're seeing?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

I don't see what Falcon's role has to do with this?

Even though Michelle flipped Replicator, which is a bastard role that makes it hard to figure out what Michelle truly was, based on the info, it seems very likely Michelle was was indeed mafia.

Are you talking about Michelle having post-mortem powers?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:34 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

I don't see what Falcon's role has to do with this?

Even though Michelle flipped Replicator, which is a bastard role that makes it hard to figure out what Michelle truly was, based on the info, it seems very likely Michelle was was indeed mafia.

Are you talking about Michelle having post-mortem powers?

I'm not? What?

Falcon had the mirror thing so that lessens the chance he was a vig shot/increases the chance he was NKed, although if it was an activated passive that probably doesn't matter.

Michelle's flip is totally unreliable, and frankly between her and falcon in a vacuum she's way more likely to be nked imo

So yeah, there's definitely a chance she was mafia, but I don't think its anything approaching a sure thing

Oh wait are death millers a thing this game?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:34 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

I don't see what Falcon's role has to do with this?

Even though Michelle flipped Replicator, which is a bastard role that makes it hard to figure out what Michelle truly was, based on the info, it seems very likely Michelle was was indeed mafia.

Are you talking about Michelle having post-mortem powers?

I'm not? What?

Falcon had the mirror thing so that lessens the chance he was a vig shot/increases the chance he was NKed, although if it was an activated passive that probably doesn't matter.

Michelle's flip is totally unreliable, and frankly between her and falcon in a vacuum she's way more likely to be nked imo

So yeah, there's definitely a chance she was mafia, but I don't think its anything approaching a sure thing

Why is Michelles flip totally unreliable? And in what universe is Michelle a likely NK?
None of this makes sense

Idk how you guys see Michelle's flip and think "yes that's definitely mafia no room for doubt" lol

Like yeah, maybe she was, im probably soft cleared if she was so that would be doubly nice, but read the flip, look at the other person that died, and its pretty clear that Michelle can't be locked in as a true flip

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:43 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:34 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

I don't see what Falcon's role has to do with this?

Even though Michelle flipped Replicator, which is a bastard role that makes it hard to figure out what Michelle truly was, based on the info, it seems very likely Michelle was was indeed mafia.

Are you talking about Michelle having post-mortem powers?

I'm not? What?

Falcon had the mirror thing so that lessens the chance he was a vig shot/increases the chance he was NKed, although if it was an activated passive that probably doesn't matter.

Michelle's flip is totally unreliable, and frankly between her and falcon in a vacuum she's way more likely to be nked imo

So yeah, there's definitely a chance she was mafia, but I don't think its anything approaching a sure thing

Why is Michelles flip totally unreliable? And in what universe is Michelle a likely NK?
None of this makes sense

In what universe is FALCON a more likely NK?

And her flip is totally unreliable because of the role she flipped, go read it again lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:34 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

I don't see what Falcon's role has to do with this?

Even though Michelle flipped Replicator, which is a bastard role that makes it hard to figure out what Michelle truly was, based on the info, it seems very likely Michelle was was indeed mafia.

Are you talking about Michelle having post-mortem powers?

I'm not? What?

Falcon had the mirror thing so that lessens the chance he was a vig shot/increases the chance he was NKed, although if it was an activated passive that probably doesn't matter.

Michelle's flip is totally unreliable, and frankly between her and falcon in a vacuum she's way more likely to be nked imo

So yeah, there's definitely a chance she was mafia, but I don't think its anything approaching a sure thing

Oh sorry, I misread the mirror thing as it not reflecting any kills, but it only doesn't reflect the factional kill.

Michelle's flip looks legit IMO. They did flip replicator, but the replicator role says 1. that it doesn't take the alignment, and 2. that it only replaces one ability, so I believe if Michelle was town, they would flip town (I've seen Guillo use the replicator role in the past, and they flipped their true alignment) and also wouldn't have the Killing Framer ability, which looks like a mafia ability. So, if Michelle was town, something else really affected her IN ADDITION TO Replicator, which seems unlikely.

Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

I don't get what the argument is that says the flip is unreliable here?

I'm gonna be sad if Michelle's flip is fake. Michelle was pretty wolfy when pushing me and that kinda cleared me.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:51 am I don't get what the argument is that says the flip is unreliable here?

Michelle flipped with the "replicator" role, which is a factional kill modifier that has a janitoresque+roletheif affect. The Janitoresque effect of the role is the concern I think.

Fake alignment flips is a bastard element I find just plain unfun.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:49 am Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

Here is a link to a Guillo game where Owner got replicatored and flipped as a "town replicator": https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post13642

Note: the BAD KILLERS in that game were actually town (the GOOD KILLERS were mafia)

I think Michelle was most likely mafia.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:56 am [VOTE: creature] aubergine

I am spewed.

I think nanooks paranoia is objectively townie. I think Michelle flipped wolf, but nanook being paranoid that she didn't seems/reads legit to me.

It is possible that the NK was in some other way messed with though and Falcon died for some other reason since I agree Falcon is a weird kill here, but I don't see the benefit of chasing that too hard at this point, except to say that NK analysis here might be even more dubious than normal.

Does anyone know how Michelle plays as wolf? Is she more likely to distance or shield her wolfmates?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:49 am Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

I still don't understand how you read it like that. Then again I take a lot of things very literally.

I'm reading through the flips and will do my EoD vote analysis when I have a chance.

I'm confused about Alison being kidnapped though? Will she return naturally, do we need to yeet the kidnapper for her to return, or is she just eliminated?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:56 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:49 am Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

Here is a link to a Guillo game where Owner got replicatored and flipped as a "town replicator": https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post13642

Note: the BAD KILLERS in that game were actually town (the GOOD KILLERS were mafia)

I think Michelle was most likely mafia.

Okay I guess I get what you're saying here but I think I have to agree with you looking at Michelle's posts now. Her answers to me asking about Creature were kinda "meh" and didn't offer that much.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:25 am I've actually read the flips now lol

Maybe you guys should too

Michelle may still be mafia given falcons role, but its not a sure thing

what? do you think that Michelle's flip is fake?

my townies:
me
mac
alison
ender
dolby
nanook
seanzie
honey

I'm leaning town on TH and Gnome
Parked on TSP today, seems legit to me

Figure if I can keep finding and clearing townies that'll be the best way to move forward

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:30 am

Garden Gnome wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:29 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:28 am Honestly looking at the wagons, I still feel like Mansnicks is the most likely to be a hit. I still haven't found him towny from when I noticed his odd posts.

[VOTE: Mansnicks] aubergine

Odd and scummy is a good description of Mansnicks' posts!

Why does GG sound like she's a talking doll?

Because I am a talking doll.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:01 pm Does anyone know how Michelle plays as wolf? Is she more likely to distance or shield her wolfmates?

My experience with wolf michelle is that she's been pretty obvs. I think she plays not to spew.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:02 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:49 am Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

I still don't understand how you read it like that. Then again I take a lot of things very literally.

I'm reading through the flips and will do my EoD vote analysis when I have a chance.

I'm confused about Alison being kidnapped though? Will she return naturally, do we need to yeet the kidnapper for her to return, or is she just eliminated?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread

The role was in this game. She flat out won't exist in the game until the next day.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:12 am We must protect Honey at all times.

based and honeypilled

i am 100% sure they are town

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:57 am Also want to ask GG how they felt about Mansnicks/Listo scumread at the time given Mansnicks vote on Listo

At the time, I thought that there was a bit of distancing going on, seeing that there was no wagon on Listo. The vote was meaningless.

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:36 am I hard dislike about 1/5 of Enders takes on his reads list, and his ISO has more fluff than I expected it to have. he does have some good looks IMO and I don’t think I could vote him over Mansnicks

[VOTE: Mansnicks] aubergine

Can you go more into why you voted mansnick, @dolby ? You said multiple times in your ISO that you thought he was TWTBAW, what changed between then and this post?

if you guys really aren't confident in falcon being a nk its possible the nk was somehow blocked / stopped in some way

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:02 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:49 am Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

I still don't understand how you read it like that. Then again I take a lot of things very literally.

I'm reading through the flips and will do my EoD vote analysis when I have a chance.

I'm confused about Alison being kidnapped though? Will she return naturally, do we need to yeet the kidnapper for her to return, or is she just eliminated?

I've played guillotina games with kidnappers before; its likely whoever it is will return after the day is over

(he's had it so the kidnapper had to be killed in the past; but it wasn't recieved well)

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:18 pm

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:02 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:49 am Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

I still don't understand how you read it like that. Then again I take a lot of things very literally.

I'm reading through the flips and will do my EoD vote analysis when I have a chance.

I'm confused about Alison being kidnapped though? Will she return naturally, do we need to yeet the kidnapper for her to return, or is she just eliminated?

I've played guillotina games with kidnappers before; its likely whoever it is will return after the day is over

(he's had it so the kidnapper had to be killed in the past; but it wasn't recieved well)

Okay thanks, that is what I assumed but better safe than sorry for something I had never seen before in any of the games I've played.

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:16 pm if you guys really aren't confident in falcon being a nk its possible the nk was somehow blocked / stopped in some way

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:56 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:49 am Hm

Thats not how I interpreted it but its...reasonable

Here is a link to a Guillo game where Owner got replicatored and flipped as a "town replicator": https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... #post13642

Note: the BAD KILLERS in that game were actually town (the GOOD KILLERS were mafia)

I think Michelle was most likely mafia.

Ok

I'm still not going to 100% lock it in, but yeah, that's compelling enough for me to take it at face value