Re: King of the Hill Mafia
Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:35 am
I agree is throwing me way offarogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:19 am Also, what is up with people just not killing others bc of pelts? Is that how things work around here? Cause usually I am more used to, "ok, they're scummy" kill them, rather than "Oh, he's/she's a strong player, let's let them stay alive."
I am not really a fan of this thought process cause if the rand leads to stronger players being mafia, then we are already handicapping ourselves day 1 which is just meh tbh.
Okay but I suck at the game lol.
sean towntoldarogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 am Woot WOot, I can officially say I have caught up and skimmed lol.
A couple thoughts.
I am tr Mac, SPF, and Boq. And then slightly below that Creature and Lucy.
I noticed the way Falcon was questioning Mac, Creature, and some others about why they had the reads they had and wanted to reach out to see why people had certain votes felt ok to me.
It actually somewhat reminds me of my own play where I just go out and ask a bunch of questions and attempt to understand why people hold the perspective they do or have the reasoning they do. He also got upset when he wasn't getting a response from Mac or when he disliked the response. So that demonstrate to me that Falcon was indeed focused on the response and attempting to determine the perspective people had from their votes. And it didn't seem like he was just asking pointless questions just to ask them. So Falcon felt a bit townier to me in the catchup.
I didn't really read much of Seanzie's games yet, but Initially I thought his sr on Boq seemed to come from a weird place and felt a bit uncharitable at the time, but then when reading over and his sr on Lucy and Alison, I saw SPF discuss how Seanzie felt townie because he was pushing in a non-malicious and non-agenday matter, and I kinda thought about this. The way he was pushing originally and the reasons for it were really odd the more I thought about it. Like from mafia, I'd expect "better reasons" or better ways to come up with a way to push on people and I could kind of see what SPF was saying with Seanzie and I could empathize with that. It's kind of in the TWTBAW if that makes sense but also considering that I think his pushes stem from more of "gotchas" and "ooh, that's a slip" feels like a townie searching for whatever they can find and that to me doesn't seem as malicious or manufactured. So that to me feels slightly townie from Seanzie.
I already discussed my feelings on Neon and Lily.
I still felt like Alison was scummy in some of their pushes and when they brought up the "mafia in the slankers" it was odd to me that Alison thought that when she had a decent amount of sr in some of the people that were enganging in the game like Mac.
Also, I know I joked about Porscha being "lock mafia" early for a reaction test. But when reading back, I had seen Porscha not really attempting to solve as much and just kind of finding anything to talk about elsewhere. It feels like she is disconnected from the thread but not in a towny way. When asked about reads, she felt hesitant to give one and attempted to avoid being direct. I know hedgy != mafia, but it seems like Porscha has avoided to give many takes this game as if she is afraid of giving any? That's at least what it feels like to me.
@Porscha do you have any thoughts on the game or any reads?
You forget you already town locked me sillyNeon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:13 amSolid. You can be town lean.
That does sound like something I would do.Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:14 amYou forget you already town locked me sillyNeon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:13 amSolid. You can be town lean.
i agree, maybe its the red wine talking but this is the towniest post boquise has ever made
An iso?? In this economy???MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:54 ami agree, maybe its the red wine talking but this is the towniest post boquise has ever made
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME your hubris about solving this game super quick pings me as you being town and i want you to iso me because i think you will solve the game from it and it's less than reading all of the game
@Boquise what porscha said about herself adequately answers it
my reads are unadjusted
I'll give you 5$ PayPal to solve the game by ISOing Mac so I can sheep you bah bahhhh.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:01 amAn iso?? In this economy???MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:54 ami agree, maybe its the red wine talking but this is the towniest post boquise has ever made
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME your hubris about solving this game super quick pings me as you being town and i want you to iso me because i think you will solve the game from it and it's less than reading all of the game
@Boquise what porscha said about herself adequately answers it
my reads are unadjusted
My start wasn't awkward, it was a hilariously funny joke.staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Sep 19, 2022 11:53 pm i'm mixed on alison's actual content and am withholding judgement on her slot until i see results (ie: i think that she's probably town in a world where neon is mafia, and i perceive a world where neon is mafia to be a reasonable possibility). i wouldn't put her above anything other than null right now
aro has had a few moments that raised my eyebrows and i am mildly worried about clearing him too easily, but i think that his overall depth of thought/the complexity behind his thought processes/the way he is going after multiple people without seeming to care how he is perceived by others (ie: him pressuring me/mac), and the general way he has been flip-flopping between multiple views at once all make me feel like he is probably just town that is not burdened with TMI
in a similar sense, i think that the "messiness" of boq's scumhunting (like him accusing seanzie and then accusing lucy back to back and then nitpicking my read on seanzie even as he was positioning himself to push on seanzie) is likely to be town indicative i for him. i will note that i do not really know how to read boq's specific playstyle but i do not take any real issue with his posts and i would not be interested in killing him today unless he gets significantly wolfier
i've waffled back and forth on creature a couple of times but i think that he's likely to be town. i've seen creature as a wolf exactly once and he was good at making posts that felt towny In The Moment but his overall solving/investment in playing was weak and it was obvious that he was playing from a position of TMI. i dont really feel the same way about his play here - he has been ebbing and flowing in his reads (like jumping btwn being paranoid of me then townreading me for scumreading lily and then getting paranoid of me again) in a way that makes me feel like he is probably uninformed
i do not know how to read falcon and i hate the majority of the posts that he has made today, if i'm being blunt. i would not kill him because alison feels strongly that he is town and she is likely either correct or correctly TMI'ing him as a villager
the few posts jack has made have been pretty rough but i would like to give him a chance to get his head into the game before i make any judgement calls
i thought lily started off looking kind of awful but then she responded extremely well to my pressure on her to the extent that i find it very difficult to see her being mafia. i also generally like how her tone/overall attitude shifted once i pressured her and i found it very believable
lucy i don't really know. i was getting townvibes from her last night but it's mostly just because she felt relaxed in the thread. i struggle to read her playstyle and i do not realistically think anything she has done is alignment indicative
mac feels kind of directionless and lost in comparison to most towngames ive seen from him but i think he's still posting in a way that is closer to his towngame than his wolfgame. if he is town then i expect this read to grow with confidence as the game goes on because i am reasonably confident in my ability to read mac correctly
i thought miss sparkles accusing nanook of TMI'ing her was like kind of maybe towny but then it had diminishing returns the more she posted about it and she hasn't posted anything else i find alignment indicaitve
i don't really think nook has towntold but i also anticipate that i'll be able to find him in the near future if he is town
neon's posts are very bad and i think it's possible she is just a frozen wolf and the sole amount of ppl who are pushing on her makes me think the wolves might be trying to get bus cred because they think she's going to flip in the near future. i don't have much else to say about her and think my time is best spent exploring elsewhere rn
porscha hasn't really towntold at all but also idk how to read her
seanzie had an awkward start but then he started towntelling for reasons i explained on p#518 and dont feel like typing again
TemptingNeon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:32 amI'll give you 5$ PayPal to solve the game by ISOing Mac so I can sheep you bah bahhhh.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 7:01 amAn iso?? In this economy???MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:54 ami agree, maybe its the red wine talking but this is the towniest post boquise has ever made
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME your hubris about solving this game super quick pings me as you being town and i want you to iso me because i think you will solve the game from it and it's less than reading all of the game
@Boquise what porscha said about herself adequately answers it
my reads are unadjusted
Jackofhearts2005 is a rand vote. Jack's few posts this game have all struck awkward some way. Yet still he's pretty close to rand and I can see him flipping either way. I voted him mostly because I wanted him to do something. I wouldn't mind policy lynching a slanker considering it turned to be useful last game.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:31 am Then againnnn...
I am an expert at wagonomics and due to the wagon spread the below holds very likely to be 1 wolf in each grouping (removing myself because duh).
JOH, Alison, Creature - Strong because it's ro4 not 3 so 1 wolf being in this group is very likely. All of Alison/Creature/Mac voting a town is relatively unlikely, but offset by the fact that I think we're just voting Jack because he's rand, but then there are no wolves voting someone who is easy to push? So there is very likely a difference check between Jack and one of his three voters and it's most likely Jack himself because of the lack of wolves voting (and if one of Creature is a wolf voting, it makes him >rand wolf for bussing tbh).
Yeah I dunno if that means something. I can still see Neon and lucy being all town. lucy voting me is a bit wolfy here. Neon's vote is more understandable although it's OMGUS.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:31 amCreature, Neon, Lucy - Not strong (given I drove it and was probs wrong and Neon/Lucy are sheeping). If there is one here I think it's always Creature because of strength of read on Neon/Lucy.
Alright I have concerns about all of them here. staypositivefriend I'm kinda worried she is looking for mislynches. Boquise is kinda meh this game compared to last game and feels a lot more "woe is me I'm being pushed". Porscha seemed forced at some points. But I dunno, they can't be all wolves.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:31 amPorscha, SPF, Boq - Strong. Similar to the first grouping, it's relatively unlikely that town SPF and town Boq would not be voting a wolf. That is just a read on their town quality. I think Porscha is approaching the limit of her scumrange in this game though, and SPF is a beacon of town virtue here so Boq is looking like ass in this grouping.
I dunno. I kinda feel like Seanzie dropped off and could be wolf here. NANOOK is total null for me. falcon45ca seemed town because, like Alison pointed out, I doubt falcon45ca would poke the stronger players as wolf.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 2:31 amSeanzie, Nanook, Falcon - I feel like Seanzie is very towny. Falcon isn't really out of his scumrange and is just being given a pass by Alison for bad reasons. Nanook voting seanzie here just feels like something town Nanook would be doing so I can give him a pass for it. Town Nanook and town Falcon voting town Seanzie should have attracted a bad wolf vote by now so again I think there is probably 1 here and it's probably Falcon.
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:06 am Holy shit I am so submissive and breedable right now. This is all I am going to say for the rest of the day.
neon, porscha, missparkles but yeh rondo just arrived, jack, nanook if i am fair tbh
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:58 amsean towntoldarogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 am Woot WOot, I can officially say I have caught up and skimmed lol.
A couple thoughts.
I am tr Mac, SPF, and Boq. And then slightly below that Creature and Lucy.
I noticed the way Falcon was questioning Mac, Creature, and some others about why they had the reads they had and wanted to reach out to see why people had certain votes felt ok to me.
It actually somewhat reminds me of my own play where I just go out and ask a bunch of questions and attempt to understand why people hold the perspective they do or have the reasoning they do. He also got upset when he wasn't getting a response from Mac or when he disliked the response. So that demonstrate to me that Falcon was indeed focused on the response and attempting to determine the perspective people had from their votes. And it didn't seem like he was just asking pointless questions just to ask them. So Falcon felt a bit townier to me in the catchup.
I didn't really read much of Seanzie's games yet, but Initially I thought his sr on Boq seemed to come from a weird place and felt a bit uncharitable at the time, but then when reading over and his sr on Lucy and Alison, I saw SPF discuss how Seanzie felt townie because he was pushing in a non-malicious and non-agenday matter, and I kinda thought about this. The way he was pushing originally and the reasons for it were really odd the more I thought about it. Like from mafia, I'd expect "better reasons" or better ways to come up with a way to push on people and I could kind of see what SPF was saying with Seanzie and I could empathize with that. It's kind of in the TWTBAW if that makes sense but also considering that I think his pushes stem from more of "gotchas" and "ooh, that's a slip" feels like a townie searching for whatever they can find and that to me doesn't seem as malicious or manufactured. So that to me feels slightly townie from Seanzie.
I already discussed my feelings on Neon and Lily.
I still felt like Alison was scummy in some of their pushes and when they brought up the "mafia in the slankers" it was odd to me that Alison thought that when she had a decent amount of sr in some of the people that were enganging in the game like Mac.
Also, I know I joked about Porscha being "lock mafia" early for a reaction test. But when reading back, I had seen Porscha not really attempting to solve as much and just kind of finding anything to talk about elsewhere. It feels like she is disconnected from the thread but not in a towny way. When asked about reads, she felt hesitant to give one and attempted to avoid being direct. I know hedgy != mafia, but it seems like Porscha has avoided to give many takes this game as if she is afraid of giving any? That's at least what it feels like to me.
@Porscha do you have any thoughts on the game or any reads?
falcon strong tr
mac town
neon lily tl
I cant read alison
afraid to read aro
nook probs town
null on jack
missparkles objectively null but I enjoy their flavor of existence
spf serving town realness
creature reading like last town creature I saw
lucy null
boq idk i'm unawares of them. i could probs confbias myself into scumlean if I wanted to tho
This Porscha looks really awkward. It feels like doing solving posts is a chore for them.Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:14 amYou forget you already town locked me sillyNeon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:13 amSolid. You can be town lean.
yes, rn porscha is not being charitable with reads, have ignored my accusations and doing low effort responses tbhCreature wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:59 amPorscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:58 amsean towntoldarogame123 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:47 am Woot WOot, I can officially say I have caught up and skimmed lol.
A couple thoughts.
I am tr Mac, SPF, and Boq. And then slightly below that Creature and Lucy.
I noticed the way Falcon was questioning Mac, Creature, and some others about why they had the reads they had and wanted to reach out to see why people had certain votes felt ok to me.
It actually somewhat reminds me of my own play where I just go out and ask a bunch of questions and attempt to understand why people hold the perspective they do or have the reasoning they do. He also got upset when he wasn't getting a response from Mac or when he disliked the response. So that demonstrate to me that Falcon was indeed focused on the response and attempting to determine the perspective people had from their votes. And it didn't seem like he was just asking pointless questions just to ask them. So Falcon felt a bit townier to me in the catchup.
I didn't really read much of Seanzie's games yet, but Initially I thought his sr on Boq seemed to come from a weird place and felt a bit uncharitable at the time, but then when reading over and his sr on Lucy and Alison, I saw SPF discuss how Seanzie felt townie because he was pushing in a non-malicious and non-agenday matter, and I kinda thought about this. The way he was pushing originally and the reasons for it were really odd the more I thought about it. Like from mafia, I'd expect "better reasons" or better ways to come up with a way to push on people and I could kind of see what SPF was saying with Seanzie and I could empathize with that. It's kind of in the TWTBAW if that makes sense but also considering that I think his pushes stem from more of "gotchas" and "ooh, that's a slip" feels like a townie searching for whatever they can find and that to me doesn't seem as malicious or manufactured. So that to me feels slightly townie from Seanzie.
I already discussed my feelings on Neon and Lily.
I still felt like Alison was scummy in some of their pushes and when they brought up the "mafia in the slankers" it was odd to me that Alison thought that when she had a decent amount of sr in some of the people that were enganging in the game like Mac.
Also, I know I joked about Porscha being "lock mafia" early for a reaction test. But when reading back, I had seen Porscha not really attempting to solve as much and just kind of finding anything to talk about elsewhere. It feels like she is disconnected from the thread but not in a towny way. When asked about reads, she felt hesitant to give one and attempted to avoid being direct. I know hedgy != mafia, but it seems like Porscha has avoided to give many takes this game as if she is afraid of giving any? That's at least what it feels like to me.
@Porscha do you have any thoughts on the game or any reads?
falcon strong tr
mac town
neon lily tl
I cant read alison
afraid to read aro
nook probs town
null on jack
missparkles objectively null but I enjoy their flavor of existence
spf serving town realness
creature reading like last town creature I saw
lucy null
boq idk i'm unawares of them. i could probs confbias myself into scumlean if I wanted to thoThis Porscha looks really awkward. It feels like doing solving posts is a chore for them.Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:14 amYou forget you already town locked me sillyNeon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 6:13 amSolid. You can be town lean.