The Syndicate

@Mayo the Mayo

I'm on phone and have issues formatting spoiler tags etc on phone. This is in reply to post #1092

Re Falcon, I have had problems reading Falcon in general; he pretty much looks the same to me most of the time. The first few games I played with him, I was involved or even a primary mover in miselims of Falcon. I have seen him bad and good, the same. So I am not sure I would see 3P Falcon much differently. In this game, he seemed to be going more into detail about his concerns, following up rather than flitting off, and reading along, I agreed with a lot of his points. So I was reading him as civvie with a baseline of "Civvies in General", not Falcon specifically. Looking back, for maybe the first time, I had a maginally confident read on him.

Re Pyxxy, I agreed with Scotty, who had said it felt like Pyxxy was 3P hunting rather than baddie hunting. He was trying to extrapolate a 3P read on Scotty for a fairly flimsy reason imo. From my perspective, this is a bad look. I mainly only brought that up to contrast to Scottys Dennis vote, since it directly involved him.

It makes me lean bad on Pyxxy, but mainly a watch and listen lean.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:54 am Quick question at large; have lots of you played together before? It seems that way; most of the SDN are new to me, but not to everyone at TS.

I hace very little syndicate familiarity but I'll admit that Neon feels familiar for some reason to me.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:04 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:48 am If I unvoted right now it could be a three way tie :heckyeah:

Why are you even voting for Miranda? What’s your endgame here?

I already said I thought her tone was sus. I don’t just snapvote someone I like for funsies unless it’s dubz

Why you bein weird?

I still don't think Miranda has done anything of note so I don't see why the pressure should dissipate. I liked how mighty handled me yesterday though.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:38 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:08 am I'd elim Scotty.

Would you elim me?

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:38 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:08 am I'd elim Scotty.

Would you elim me?

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:21 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:04 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:48 am If I unvoted right now it could be a three way tie :heckyeah:

Why are you even voting for Miranda? What’s your endgame here?

I already said I thought her tone was sus. I don’t just snapvote someone I like for funsies unless it’s dubz

Why you bein weird?

I’m not “being weird”. That’s a weirdly defensive tone for you to take for being asked a simple question.

And it think it’s weird that you’re going after the lowest having fruit on the thread, for fairly lackluster reasoning.

I think it’s been well established that Miranda in general has a sus tone which stems from her being a noob, and is NAI.

You don’t usually make pushes like this.

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:23 am I still don't think Miranda has done anything of note so I don't see why the pressure should dissipate. I liked how mighty handled me yesterday though.

I agree she hasn’t don’t anything of note, but that’s a two way street.

So I find the argument that she’s lock wolf and the best yeet choice for today, a bad one.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:29 am So I find the argument that she’s lock wolf and the best yeet choice for today, a bad one.

She’s not lock wolf any more than anyone else is lock wolf right now

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:29 am

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:23 am I still don't think Miranda has done anything of note so I don't see why the pressure should dissipate. I liked how mighty handled me yesterday though.

I agree she hasn’t don’t anything of note, but that’s a two way street.

You think Sporty hasn't done anything?

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:27 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:21 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:04 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:48 am If I unvoted right now it could be a three way tie :heckyeah:

Why are you even voting for Miranda? What’s your endgame here?

I already said I thought her tone was sus. I don’t just snapvote someone I like for funsies unless it’s dubz

Why you bein weird?

I’m not “being weird”. That’s a weirdly defensive tone for you to take for being asked a simple question.

And it think it’s weird that you’re going after the lowest having fruit on the thread, for fairly lackluster reasoning.

I think it’s been well established that Miranda in general has a sus tone which stems from her being a noob, and is NAI.

You don’t usually make pushes like this.

By definition, it’s not defensive. I’m asking you why you’re being weird cuz you’re being weird.

As for the rest of it, free shrugs. I wouldn’t be voting a noob D1 if I felt I had equally wolfy alternatives.

Unfortunately I think Zenge being weird might tip him a tiny bit village

But I still have been too lazy to read old games. Maybe it’ll happen today. Maybe I’ll keep making false promisss

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:32 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:29 am

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:23 am I still don't think Miranda has done anything of note so I don't see why the pressure should dissipate. I liked how mighty handled me yesterday though.

I agree she hasn’t don’t anything of note, but that’s a two way street.

You think Sporty hasn't done anything?

I meant a two way street as in - If you’re saying Miranda should be yeeted because she hasn’t don’t anything noteworthy. Then it’s fair to say she shouldn’t be yeeted because she hasn’t done anything noteworthy, one way or the other.

We’re not in a state of the game where we should just be yeeting low hanging fruit for the lulz.

There are actual cases on people worth exploring and flipping those people.

If we flip Miranda, I’m telling you she’ll probably flip town, and then all the voters will say “well it was day one and it was a tone read”. There’s nothing of value in terms of information to be gained there beyond the 50/50 coin flip.

I’m saying we can do better than a 50/50 coin flip.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:30 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:29 am So I find the argument that she’s lock wolf and the best yeet choice for today, a bad one.

She’s not lock wolf any more than anyone else is lock wolf right now

Points to Falcon

I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Today’s shower thought was “what if Zenge/falcon/Miranda/etc is just a big distracting mess”

But with no flips I don’t think that helps much

Today’s shower thought was “what if Zenge/falcon/Miranda/etc is just a big distracting mess”

But with no flips I don’t think that helps much

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

If you’re village, you just undid any good reading you did in Hannibal lol

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

You’re being sketch. Going after what you know is low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll. You’ve made better pushes than this.

And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:41 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

You’re being sketch. Going after what you know is low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll. You’ve made better pushes than this.

Okay, let’s back up for a second

“Going for low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll”

That argument implies I am making a selective choice to intentionally go for LHF.

Village!Sporty: doesn’t make sense if I’m a villager, because a villager goes for who they think is wolfy

Wolf!Sporty: you said yourself I don’t normally go for LHF… so why would that be different this game?

Neither circumstance makes sense with this argument.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:42 am And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.

Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:45 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:42 am And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.

Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

I asked you why you were voting for Miranda and you freaked out and said I was being weird for daring to ask “why”?

That’s defensive.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:47 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:45 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:42 am And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.

Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

I asked you why you were voting for Miranda and you freaked out and said I was being weird for daring to ask “why”?

That’s defensive.

Stop twisting my words. I said you’re being weird. Not for asking. You’re just being weird. In general.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:47 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:45 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:42 am And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.

Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

I asked you why you were voting for Miranda and you freaked out and said I was being weird for daring to ask “why”?

Sporty "freaking out", according to Zenge:

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:38 am

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:32 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:29 am

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:23 am I still don't think Miranda has done anything of note so I don't see why the pressure should dissipate. I liked how mighty handled me yesterday though.

I agree she hasn’t don’t anything of note, but that’s a two way street.

You think Sporty hasn't done anything?

I meant a two way street as in - If you’re saying Miranda should be yeeted because she hasn’t don’t anything noteworthy. Then it’s fair to say she shouldn’t be yeeted because she hasn’t done anything noteworthy, one way or the other.

We’re not in a state of the game where we should just be yeeting low hanging fruit for the lulz.

There are actual cases on people worth exploring and flipping those people.

If we flip Miranda, I’m telling you she’ll probably flip town, and then all the voters will say “well it was day one and it was a tone read”. There’s nothing of value in terms of information to be gained there beyond the 50/50 coin flip.

I’m saying we can do better than a 50/50 coin flip.

I don't subscribe to that. I'm more than happy to kill lowcontenters. LHF isn't AI, I say as a recovered LHF. I also never do it for the lulz. I'm not suggesting the entire playerlist needs to be on her, but I need to see some content that isn't just "scottie town for a memelist."

@santygrass I think it's interesting you're still sitting on Miranda. Have you expressed a reason for that?

@Animal Midwife do you remember, the game after 3H, was Santy a wolf again? I just remember him hardcore defending Miranda so I'm curious if that read was legit or not.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:44 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:41 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

You’re being sketch. Going after what you know is low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll. You’ve made better pushes than this.

Okay, let’s back up for a second

“Going for low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll”

That argument implies I am making a selective choice to intentionally go for LHF.

Village!Sporty: doesn’t make sense if I’m a villager, because a villager goes for who they think is wolfy

Wolf!Sporty: you said yourself I don’t normally go for LHF… so why would that be different this game?

Neither circumstance makes sense with this argument.

You’re intentionally framing it in a way that’s not only disingenuous and not even remotely what I said.

So let me clarify what I said, so as not to have my words twisted.

When you’re village Sporty, you make stronger pushes than just voting for the lowest of the low hanging fruit, based on a tonal read.

This is a player whose posts have been lackluster certainly. But your tonal read is equally lackluster, considering all of the content posted by everyone else in the game.

I would expect you to have a better read on someone else. And even you yourself said so.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:30 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:29 am So I find the argument that she’s lock wolf and the best yeet choice for today, a bad one.

She’s not lock wolf any more than anyone else is lock wolf right now

Implying that to you, this entire roster is a coin flip and you don’t actually have a strong read on anyone.

So voting for the established lowest of low hanging fruit, says a lot about your intentions this game.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:55 am @santygrass I think it's interesting you're still sitting on Miranda. Have you expressed a reason for that?

@Animal Midwife do you remember, the game after 3H, was Santy a wolf again? I just remember him hardcore defending Miranda so I'm curious if that read was legit or not.

Yes.

Also, AM, do you have a Zenge read?

I miss @santygrass

Hope he’s okay.

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:56 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:55 am @santygrass I think it's interesting you're still sitting on Miranda. Have you expressed a reason for that?

@Animal Midwife do you remember, the game after 3H, was Santy a wolf again? I just remember him hardcore defending Miranda so I'm curious if that read was legit or not.

Yes.

Unfortunate. Not as useful as I'd hoped, but pretty much what I expected.

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:54 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:38 am

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:32 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:29 am

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:23 am I still don't think Miranda has done anything of note so I don't see why the pressure should dissipate. I liked how mighty handled me yesterday though.

I agree she hasn’t don’t anything of note, but that’s a two way street.

You think Sporty hasn't done anything?

I meant a two way street as in - If you’re saying Miranda should be yeeted because she hasn’t don’t anything noteworthy. Then it’s fair to say she shouldn’t be yeeted because she hasn’t done anything noteworthy, one way or the other.

We’re not in a state of the game where we should just be yeeting low hanging fruit for the lulz.

There are actual cases on people worth exploring and flipping those people.

If we flip Miranda, I’m telling you she’ll probably flip town, and then all the voters will say “well it was day one and it was a tone read”. There’s nothing of value in terms of information to be gained there beyond the 50/50 coin flip.

I’m saying we can do better than a 50/50 coin flip.

I don't subscribe to that. I'm more than happy to kill lowcontenters. LHF isn't AI, I say as a recovered LHF. I also never do it for the lulz. I'm not suggesting the entire playerlist needs to be on her, but I need to see some content that isn't just "scottie town for a memelist."

Yes, I’m familiar with your war on low posters.

I just think at least this cycle there’s better options that are more likely to bear fruit.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:56 am Also, AM, do you have a Zenge read?

I do not.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:55 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:44 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:41 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

You’re being sketch. Going after what you know is low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll. You’ve made better pushes than this.

Okay, let’s back up for a second

“Going for low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll”

That argument implies I am making a selective choice to intentionally go for LHF.

Village!Sporty: doesn’t make sense if I’m a villager, because a villager goes for who they think is wolfy

Wolf!Sporty: you said yourself I don’t normally go for LHF… so why would that be different this game?

Neither circumstance makes sense with this argument.

You’re intentionally framing it in a way that’s not only disingenuous and not even remotely what I said.

So let me clarify what I said, so as not to have my words twisted.

When you’re village Sporty, you make stronger pushes than just voting for the lowest of the low hanging fruit, based on a tonal read.

This is a player whose posts have been lackluster certainly. But your tonal read is equally lackluster, considering all of the content posted by everyone else in the game.

I would expect you to have a better read on someone else. And even you yourself said so.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:30 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:29 am So I find the argument that she’s lock wolf and the best yeet choice for today, a bad one.

She’s not lock wolf any more than anyone else is lock wolf right now

Implying that to you, this entire roster is a coin flip and you don’t actually have a strong read on anyone.

So voting for the established lowest of low hanging fruit, says a lot about your intentions this game.

I appreciate your high opinions of my village play, but would be wise for you to consider that all my vig shots (excluding PSV) have been based on tone, so idk what to help you with there.

I already offered my reads. Take them or leave them.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:40 am If you’re village, you just undid any good reading you did in Hannibal lol

Meh, this reaction sits bad with me.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:45 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:42 am And you got super weirdly defensive about it when I asked you a simple, neutral question about your vote. That’s weird, Sportponies.

Are you intentionally pretending you don’t know the definition of defensive?

I looked up defensive in the dictionary, and it had this as the example:

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:44 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:41 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

You’re being sketch. Going after what you know is low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll. You’ve made better pushes than this.

Okay, let’s back up for a second

“Going for low hanging fruit isn’t typically how you roll”

That argument implies I am making a selective choice to intentionally go for LHF.

Village!Sporty: doesn’t make sense if I’m a villager, because a villager goes for who they think is wolfy

Wolf!Sporty: you said yourself I don’t normally go for LHF… so why would that be different this game?

Neither circumstance makes sense with this argument.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:00 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:40 am If you’re village, you just undid any good reading you did in Hannibal lol

Meh, this reaction sits bad with me.

Zenge has hardcore wrongly tunneled me at least once before, so I'm not really interested in repeating the interactions I had with him there, especially since I like him irl.

It's emotionally taxing.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:00 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:40 am If you’re village, you just undid any good reading you did in Hannibal lol

Meh, this reaction sits bad with me.

Zenge has hardcore wrongly tunneled me at least once before, so I'm not really interested in repeating the interactions I had with him there, especially since I like him irl.

It's emotionally taxing.

I’m not tunneling you. I was trying to have a conversation about the things I found concerning.

I’m still voting for Falcon. I think there’s a lot more reason to vote for Falcon than for Miranda. I encourage you and anyone else to join me.

@Mayo the Mayo @falcon45ca do you mind highlighting your Creature argument?
I'm sure I read it somewhere but I can't remember, and I don't have any points for Creature in either direction.

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:07 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:00 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:40 am If you’re village, you just undid any good reading you did in Hannibal lol

Meh, this reaction sits bad with me.

Zenge has hardcore wrongly tunneled me at least once before, so I'm not really interested in repeating the interactions I had with him there, especially since I like him irl.

It's emotionally taxing.

I’m not tunneling you. I was trying to have a conversation about the things I found concerning.

I’m still voting for Falcon. I think there’s a lot more reason to vote for Falcon than for Miranda. I encourage you and anyone else to join me.

Shower!Sporty wondered if that was a big v on v distraction and I trust(?) shower!Sporty. She shoots wolves.

@Neon why do you like noble gases?

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:35 pm @Neon why do you like noble gases?

@Neon an entire discord awaits your answer

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:35 pm @Neon why do you like noble gases?

As a follow up to this why do you spell it with a Z instead of the Xenon?

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:00 pm

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:39 am I do actually think Sporty is being pretty weird and wouldn’t be a bad vote this game.

Ok bro

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:40 am If you’re village, you just undid any good reading you did in Hannibal lol

Meh, this reaction sits bad with me.

Zenge has hardcore wrongly tunneled me at least once before, so I'm not really interested in repeating the interactions I had with him there, especially since I like him irl.

It's emotionally taxing.

What makes you confident that experience will be repeated here?

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:09 pm @Mayo the Mayo @falcon45ca do you mind highlighting your Creature argument?
I'm sure I read it somewhere but I can't remember, and I don't have any points for Creature in either direction.

Creature's been present, but just barely, and his reasons for...well, every vote I've seen (2?) have been pretty garbage IMO

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:38 am Holy shit I caught up

Now I'm going to bed