The Syndicate

FZ. wrote: I agree on Bullzeye and MP. I don't know with MP, because maybe he was silenced, and I think voting for him now would be pointless until we know if he's being replaced or not, so I would definitely put him on hold. Not to mention that if he posts a lot it doesn't mean he's a civ so the opposite holds as well. But with Bullzeye, I want more from him. He answered me that he's busy, which means he read the thread, yet he didn't really have much to say. So Bullz.

As I said early in the other game, I've got a ton of work to be doing right now. I had a 4000 word essay which I just finished yesterday, but I still need to finish my postgrad applications, write and schedule 8 interviews for my education dissertation, create some surveys for my psychology dissertation, finish a 1,500 word methodology chapter, revise for an exam, and if I'm really lucky I can also start to work on 5,000 words of writing for psychology. That's why I've not had a lot to say. Also, when I die in a game I'm pretty invested in it puts me into a bad mood with mafia in general where I feel like there's no point in playing because I'll only die anyway.

This last point is really not gonna help me, but I'm going away today until Wednesday, back to uni for some new year parties with some old friends. My activity will be sporadic from later this afternoon until some time on the 1st of January.

Bullzeye wrote:

FZ. wrote: I agree on Bullzeye and MP. I don't know with MP, because maybe he was silenced, and I think voting for him now would be pointless until we know if he's being replaced or not, so I would definitely put him on hold. Not to mention that if he posts a lot it doesn't mean he's a civ so the opposite holds as well. But with Bullzeye, I want more from him. He answered me that he's busy, which means he read the thread, yet he didn't really have much to say. So Bullz.

As I said early in the other game, I've got a ton of work to be doing right now. I had a 4000 word essay which I just finished yesterday, but I still need to finish my postgrad applications, write and schedule 8 interviews for my education dissertation, create some surveys for my psychology dissertation, finish a 1,500 word methodology chapter, revise for an exam, and if I'm really lucky I can also start to work on 5,000 words of writing for psychology. That's why I've not had a lot to say. Also, when I die in a game I'm pretty invested in it puts me into a bad mood with mafia in general where I feel like there's no point in playing because I'll only die anyway.

This last point is really not gonna help me, but I'm going away today until Wednesday, back to uni for some new year parties with some old friends. My activity will be sporadic from later this afternoon until some time on the 1st of January.

Pfft, been there done that
I'm willing to give both you and MP the BOTD for a little while because sometimes RL gets in the way...Besides, there are people who posted even less than you, like reywaS and A person, and I'm also sure that even if one of you two (you and MP) is a baddie, there are more. So consider this me backing off, though I can't promise for how long.

FZ. wrote:
As for Mongoose, there are times when she comes off civ and others when she seems fishy. I'm used to playing a one team mafia and I'm not as good when there are two teams of baddies because everyone looks like they are trying to find scum. Her vote fir Lizzie just seemed to come out of the blue, but maybe I'm reading it wrong.

Heh, I'm surprised (and relieved) that I don't come across fishy in every game, 'cause sometimes that's how I feel, har. I was a bit grasping at straws with Lizzy, but it wasn't totally an un-researched case. The Lizzy Speculum came out of me doing a total re-read of this thread. She gave me thing Ping Flu more than anyone else, but then when I reread her, her stuff wasn't super inflammatory or anything.

I do intrinsically and fundamentally disagree with the assertions some have made that Lizzy was an easy target. Heck, I'm an easy target. I've been an easy target since Day 1 thanks to a very hirsute, spit-oriented DA. It's not that I tried to even dissuade y'all from voting Boo as I wholeheartedly endorsed SVS's mega-case on him. Or said "Lizzy is the only ethical vote!" I may reexamine her on subsequent days. I even said I'd have preferred to vote for Boo, but I had to vote somewhere, and I felt a bit uncomfortable for voting JJJS for all the reasons we've discussed.

Sorsha wrote:

FZ. wrote:I need to go to sleep.
I don't get people saying they won't vote for jj because of Elo using that kind of evidence. It's not like we'll be able to forget it. It's in our minds.

This pretty much sums up how I feel about the jj situation. Lynching a baddie almost always turns up useful information- it's unfortunate how this happened but- it is what it is.

Thanks for this. It really struck a nerve with me today (in a good way). I really wanted to avoid voting him, but I guess that's rather silly, isn't it.

I'm going to go ahead and vote him early (our A/C is broken, so who knows where I'll be prowling around today?)

FZ. wrote: Pfft, been there done that
I'm willing to give both you and MP the BOTD for a little while because sometimes RL gets in the way...Besides, there are people who posted even less than you, like reywaS and A person, and I'm also sure that even if one of you two (you and MP) is a baddie, there are more. So consider this me backing off, though I can't promise for how long.

Interesting that you are willing to extend this courtesy to these two, but i doubt you will extend it to John. I am not, where there is smoke there is fire, and boo is an astute guy, and he really wanted to lynch sisters.

Well well well... the two most opportunistic players and my main suspects jumping on another easy target and a n00bie. If jjjjjj gets lynched and he flips baddie, you may go ahead and lynch me if I don't get NK'd by then, that is. I might go with Goosey because she already has a vote although, if SVS is not a sister I'll eat my dad's butterfly collection. Decisions decisions...

Hope butterflies are tasty

Noob or not, I don't see boo going that hard for him unless he was pretty sure John was bad. If you read boos posts, he spent the whole game hot in pursuit of sisters.

What makes me certain about jjj is the lack of denial on his part. He comes in a few times never saying this is bull. All he said was maybe we should lynch him because he doesn't have time. I think a civ would say it's not true, but...

I think Bullz may be a sister.

jjjjjjj wtf, mate? I'm trying to save your arse here and you go and change your vote? Not cool, son! This further proves that he is just a frustrated n00bie civ who managed to attract a nice bandwagon of baddies. I flipped a 10 forint coin, because that's all I have left from Budapest, and got tails which was SVS.

Lizzy wrote:jjjjjjj wtf, mate? I'm trying to save your arse here and you go and change your vote? Not cool, son! This further proves that he is just a frustrated n00bie civ who managed to attract a nice bandwagon of baddies. I flipped a 10 forint coin, because that's all I have left from Budapest, and got tails which was SVS.

How does it prove he's a frustrated newbie?

FZ. wrote:

Lizzy wrote:jjjjjjj wtf, mate? I'm trying to save your arse here and you go and change your vote? Not cool, son! This further proves that he is just a frustrated n00bie civ who managed to attract a nice bandwagon of baddies. I flipped a 10 forint coin, because that's all I have left from Budapest, and got tails which was SVS.

How does it prove he's a frustrated newbie?

(I think you left 'civ' out, because a frustrated newbie, he is) All right. It doesn't. The only proof you'll get is after you lynch him. I'm just saying that self-voting is indeed usually frustrated civvie behaviour, and right now, I think he should not be a priority when SVS and Mongoose are whe-hay more suspicious than jjjjjj. After this exchange, I'm not so sure about you either. I gave you the botd since you've come from another site and have been accustomed to a very different playing fashion and not a lot looney irrational players, but now... I'll have to keep a close eye on you as well. However, if you are civ, please consider a vote for SVS since she's been on your list as well.

Not surprised you voted for me, Lizzy~ you are wrong.

Ohai, guys.

maybe jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj is good k :o

Lizzy wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Lizzy wrote:jjjjjjj wtf, mate? I'm trying to save your arse here and you go and change your vote? Not cool, son! This further proves that he is just a frustrated n00bie civ who managed to attract a nice bandwagon of baddies. I flipped a 10 forint coin, because that's all I have left from Budapest, and got tails which was SVS.

How does it prove he's a frustrated newbie?

(I think you left 'civ' out, because a frustrated newbie, he is) All right. It doesn't. The only proof you'll get is after you lynch him. I'm just saying that self-voting is indeed usually frustrated civvie behaviour, and right now, I think he should not be a priority when SVS and Mongoose are whe-hay more suspicious than jjjjjj. After this exchange, I'm not so sure about you either. I gave you the botd since you've come from another site and have been accustomed to a very different playing fashion and not a lot looney irrational players, but now... I'll have to keep a close eye on you as well. However, if you are civ, please consider a vote for SVS since she's been on your list as well.

This would be such a mistake, and civs, if I do get lynched, remember who tried hardest to save John.

Sorry John. I think boo was right about you.

I'm going to keep my vote where MP's was out of respect of his wishes.

I'm going out to visit my aunt now, if I'm back before the poll ends, I'll letcha know.

FZ. wrote: I get it, but I also think that now, going to build a case on jj would be firstly based on the assumption that he is a baddie. The idea that he's a baddie is forever ingrained in our minds and anything said and done about him from now on will be colored accordingly.

I get that. I'm saying it still isn't fair to him, especially as a new player, to lynch him based only on that. I also think it undermines the integrity of this game and future games, when people decide that info dropping basically is both unpunished and useful. Obviously we have a very utilitarian group here, because few people seem to agree with me.

I also don't understand the unwavering trust in Elo. Obviously it looks pretty bad for JJJS right now, but we have nothing approaching proof.

FZ. wrote:First of all, every one but me is still suspicious to me But seriously, I'm not saying everyone is suspicious. I specifically said one of the last 4 voting for Boo, because I imagine them trying to wait to see if it could go to someone else. I could also extend it to a few of the other players if any of you could tell me how they go about when they are baddies. For example, I can tell you that if I think someone with the power to check roles is on to my buddy, I'd be the second to vote for him/her to save myself realizing they are going down. But again, this is about styles and I don't know any of yours, so I was asking for your help.

I actually wish someone had as good an idea about people's styles as you're implying you want, here. I've been playing for about 9 months now and have nothing approaching a read that solid on anyone, much less everyone. It seems S~V~S did on boo, and that got us a baddie, so I'd love to hear if others do.

Quote fail. The white bit is supposed to be my reply to the purple bit, which I quoted from you.

Voted A Person.

As I stated, I disagree with lynching JJJJSJSSJSJSSJSJSJS for many, many reasons, both moral and practical, and on an in-game and meta-game level. I'm a little ashamed everyone is going along with this.

That said, I also think S~V~S has seemed good so far. At the very least she's no Warden-team-member, and I personally doubt she's a sister either. It's unusual for me to get civ vibes from S~V~S, so I think voting her would be just as big a mistake.

The non-participants have been worrying me more lately. I still don't feel good about MP (now MR) or Bullz, Sorsha had me worried from the time she replaced in and hasn't yet offered anything useful imo, BWT is absentee, and A Person has said nothing I can remember for days. I know they can't all be bad, but some of them have to be, and I'm choosing A Person as a proxy and using my vote to say that these players are on my radar next.

Epi, is reywaS supposed to be on the poll? He got replaced by Sorsha, right?

Also, has anyone been thinking about how BWT survived the NK last night? Don't get me wrong, I'm usually glad for these things, but looking at the rules it has me a bit concerned. Love to hear if anyone shares that. Switching my vote to him, for now. I still hope it will serve the same purpose.

And by the way, I meant to say above that I know BWT has been sick, and obviously I don't expect as much participation from him in that case. I do hope he feels better soon. I just wanted to note that he's one of many unfortunately uninvolved players this game, some of whom I acknowledge have very good reasons. Doesn't necessarily change my thoughts on his potential roles.

Linki: thanks. I'd try, but I doubt I can pull it off by myself

Well shit... I thought I voted for jj when I posted earlier.

Sorry

Most of the time prison is just boring.

There's this fella named Ephraim one floor below me. He doesn't talk much, but he loves to write his own name. Some inmates- hell, some guards too- take to betting on him writing his name and then circling one of the letters.

In prison, you take the entertainment you can get. Especially when you aren't the main event.

It is now Night 7. You have 24 hours to send in your PMs.

Who will be lynched?

Poll ended at Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:17 pm

A Person
0
No votes

birdwithteeth11
1
Russtifinko (11)
9%

Bullzeye
0
No votes

FZ.
0
No votes

johns2jj
5
MovingPictures07 (2), Mongoose (4), S~V~S (5), johns2jj (6), Mister Rearranger (10)
45%

Lizzy
0
No votes

Mongoose
0
No votes

MovingPictures07
0
No votes

reywaS
0
No votes

Russtifikno
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

S~V~S
2
Lizzy (7), A Person (9)
18%

Thomas Richards (The Host, the Mod, the Dead)
3
Epignosis (1), thellama73 (3), boo (8)
27%


Total votes : 11

Someone asked me earlier how I felt about SVS and mongoose. I feel fine about SVS, nothing seems baddie about her seems that she isn't on one of the baddie teams anyway. Can't rule out the SK though- not sure what the win conditions are for him.

Mongoose I'd have to do a read of to get a better idea.

A is for Alison.

@ Host: Can more than one of us select each option?

Mongoose wrote:@ Host: Can more than one of us select each option?

You all can pick whatever letter you want.

Theories on how JJJS survived the lynch?

Went with the Initial letter. And welcome back Dom

And not sure what i think of John surviving.

None of the baddies appear to have secrets so not sure.

For being basically outed it could have been a "consolation" prize? I've seen hosts do that kinda thing under certain circumstances.... not sure about this one though.

Sorsha wrote:None of the baddies appear to have secrets so not sure.

For being basically outed it could have been a "consolation" prize? I've seen hosts do that kinda thing under certain circumstances.... not sure about this one though.

I know right. I couldn't see anything when I re-reviewed the rules, but wanted to make sure I hadn't missed anything.

Wait, what if it WAS a tie. Tim Robbins gets the power of three votes, so if Tim Robbins voted for SVS, that would have tied the vote, since Sockface's vote didn't count.

I'm starting to think it will be dumb luck if I ever manage to vote in a day poll. Although I have no clue what's going on in this game anymore, so maybe it's better that way.

Went with P because I figure it's the most unique/uncommon letter of the bunch.

Good eye. That could also be.

Well that was a non-result.

I'm sorry. I fell asleep on my lap top . I can't believe I didn't vote. I was planning on voting jj, but now I'm kind of glad I didn't, because Russ' words made me feel bad about it. Russ, if you're jj's sister, you're going down But OK. So how do you suggest we deal with jj? Like I said, everything is tainted now. Does the fact he wanted to be lynched mean nothing to you? Would you not expect a civ to tell us they are not a sister?

So again, no lynch? This is happening too much. No night kills, no lynches going through. What's the point in playing, LOL. This never happens so much where I play.

As for the reasons for the vote not going through, whoever said it was a tie, that would still mean a lynch, just randomized. Unless you meant that the other person could survive a lynch. I need to check who that was.
I doubt only civs could survive a lynch, because that would make it too obvious to figure out they are civs.
I can see it as sort of a punishment if what Ello did was real.
I find it weird that none of you know if it's the sort of thing Ello would do or not. If she's ever done that before.

Now to the other players. What do people think aboutLizzie? She seems to be very, and I mean very sure about jj. She's also very suspicious of SVS. There's an interesting thing going between them. Lizzie is suspicious of SVS and sure jj is a civ. SVS is sure jj is a baddie and is not disturbed at all by the fact Lizzie thinks he's a civ or by the fact she thinks she's bad. If it was just the latter, I'd understand, but the combination of the two is just really strange to me. I was getting civ vibes from SVS lately, but this is too strange.
What do you think about that?

And how is Dom back?
I would say Russ, Lizzie and jj being the sisters would be too obvious, but with how you people play the game, I don't know anymore.

One more thing, regarding the question how did BWT survive. Was this the first time he survived a NK this game? I think I remember another one, but I'm not sure. Anyone remember?
Ello, was trusting of him, and if she was Bogs, she might have had a good reason, but I was thinking, could he be the SK, but he doesn't kill just survive every NK and comes innocent? Would that even make sense for a SK? Based on his character, I would think he would come out innocent. I don't know....just some thoughts.

I picked the first letter, alphabetically.

Also, still have a lot of catching up to do.

Another funny thing. jj is really busy to say anything, yet he has time to check the results and vote for a letter. Interesting...

How am I still alive? Who had the power to prevent a lynch?

FZ. wrote:Another funny thing. jj is really busy to say anything, yet he has time to check the results and vote for a letter. Interesting...

I am getting a little more access to wifi and free time than I was expecting. I can't guarantee that I will continue to be able to pay attention but I wanted it out there that I am busy getting used to a new place. the people here move at such a slower pace and it is so nice to never be in a rush, except their driving.

Crap, sorry I missed the vote. My friends showed up earlier than expected and I didn't get chance to come on.

Russtifinko wrote: The non-participants have been worrying me more lately. I still don't feel good about MP (now MR) or Bullz, Sorsha had me worried from the time she replaced in and hasn't yet offered anything useful imo, BWT is absentee, and A Person has said nothing I can remember for days. I know they can't all be bad, but some of them have to be, and I'm choosing A Person as a proxy and using my vote to say that these players are on my radar next.

I have issues with you calling me a non-participant when I've posted more than you this game and am actively trying to be around as much as I can, as opposed to someone who just isn't bothering to post or be around at all.

FZ. wrote: I find it weird that none of you know if it's the sort of thing Ello would do or not. If she's ever done that before.

It's not the sort of thing most people would do, and I'd have included Elo in that. Infodumping is generally frowned upon and considered unfair.

FZ. wrote:I'm sorry. I fell asleep on my lap top . I can't believe I didn't vote. I was planning on voting jj, but now I'm kind of glad I didn't, because Russ' words made me feel bad about it. Russ, if you're jj's sister, you're going down But OK. So how do you suggest we deal with jj? Like I said, everything is tainted now. Does the fact he wanted to be lynched mean nothing to you? Would you not expect a civ to tell us they are not a sister?

So again, no lynch? This is happening too much. No night kills, no lynches going through. What's the point in playing, LOL. This never happens so much where I play.

As for the reasons for the vote not going through, whoever said it was a tie, that would still mean a lynch, just randomized. Unless you meant that the other person could survive a lynch. I need to check who that was.
I doubt only civs could survive a lynch, because that would make it too obvious to figure out they are civs.
I can see it as sort of a punishment if what Ello did was real.
I find it weird that none of you know if it's the sort of thing Ello would do or not. If she's ever done that before.

Now to the other players. What do people think aboutLizzie? She seems to be very, and I mean very sure about jj. She's also very suspicious of SVS. There's an interesting thing going between them. Lizzie is suspicious of SVS and sure jj is a civ. SVS is sure jj is a baddie and is not disturbed at all by the fact Lizzie thinks he's a civ or by the fact she thinks she's bad. If it was just the latter, I'd understand, but the combination of the two is just really strange to me. I was getting civ vibes from SVS lately, but this is too strange.
What do you think about that?

And how is Dom back?
I would say Russ, Lizzie and jj being the sisters would be too obvious, but with how you people play the game, I don't know anymore.

Welcome back, Dom! I'll be glad to hear from you, I was enjoying having you around earlier in the game.

I've stated my reasons for not voting JJ, over and over at this point. I've also stated that no one has made a thread-based case on him, and that if and only if that happens I will be willing to consider voting him. Anything else isn't playing the game right. If that makes you think I'm bad, so be it.

Like Lizzie said, I've seen civs self-vote out of frustration TONS of times on this site. I've never ever seen a baddie do it, because they feel responsible to their teammates. As for the fact that he hasn't said Elo was lying, I honestly don't know. It is his first game ever, so he almost certainly doesn't know that's protocol. And if he did say so, what difference does it make? Denying something has no effect on its truth at all, logically speaking. So no, neither of the facts you mentioned change my opinion of him, or of what we should do. You want to suspect me for it, be my guest.

You're making an assumption based on games you've played before that doesn't apply here, FZ. Epi handles lynches in such a way that ties are no lynch, not a randomized one. That's unusual, I know, but it's how he plays it. As for there being no NKs, wtf?? Any civ should be glad when an NK doesn't go through, because it can only help us. And I think only one has been survived anyway, so if you are a frustrated baddie, you'll have plenty more chances.

Bullzeye wrote:Crap, sorry I missed the vote. My friends showed up earlier than expected and I didn't get chance to come on.

Russtifinko wrote: The non-participants have been worrying me more lately. I still don't feel good about MP (now MR) or Bullz, Sorsha had me worried from the time she replaced in and hasn't yet offered anything useful imo, BWT is absentee, and A Person has said nothing I can remember for days. I know they can't all be bad, but some of them have to be, and I'm choosing A Person as a proxy and using my vote to say that these players are on my radar next.

I have issues with you calling me a non-participant when I've posted more than you this game and am actively trying to be around as much as I can, as opposed to someone who just isn't bothering to post or be around at all.

FZ. wrote: I find it weird that none of you know if it's the sort of thing Ello would do or not. If she's ever done that before.

It's not the sort of thing most people would do, and I'd have included Elo in that. Infodumping is generally frowned upon and considered unfair.

I've had this argument plenty of times before. Yes, you have a higher number of posts than me. Mine tend to be huge this game, (too huge, actually), and yours tend to be fairly short. I was arguing quality, not quantity, because I can remember very little that you've said this game. I acknowledge that may be an error on my part, though, so I'll go reread you.

I second what Bullz is saying about Elo, FZ. I would not have expected her to infodump, nor to fake an infodump if she were bad. That's part of why the whole thing is so bamboozling.

So BWT and JJ, while you guys have both posted recently...What are your thoughts on...anything?

You could coment on things that have happened to you this game, pick a random (or nonrandom) player and give your opinion on them, comment on FZ's post about S~V~S and Lizzie...

I'd just love to hear from either of you in more than on line at a time about what's going on. We can use all the help we can get.