The Syndicate

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:43 pm I feel this round is actually one big clusterfuck of townies doing their damndest to throw a winning game.

I don’t understand mafia players’ obsessions with breadcrumbing.

Like there’s flat claiming, there’s using in thread info to back into your mechanical reads and there’s claiming but not claiming anything exactly.

I fail to see the advantage of that last plan over the other two except to combat specific semirare types of anticlaim.

Yet people love to do it.

I also don’t think we claim here. Claiming here seems like a spiderverse type blunder. Things aren’t that intense. We don’t need a win here

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:47 pm I’m prob not moving from Radishes at this point. Probable red check should make him a top talking point today and plausible green check on Tutuu make her a day 6 issue for me. I don’t see why we need to force the Tutuu issue at this point. We’ve gotten a baddie a day. Assuming she bad, she’s not lasting in a Lylo situation. Assuming she’s good, we ignore a green check.

I don’t get the push on Tutuu today. Is there anything I’m not weighing aside from the “n3 vig” and their failed shot?

ppl just tunneling their wrong scumreads and justifying it with flimsy mech coz they dont wanna consider the possibility of them making a wrong read, that would be unbelievable, clearly they are incapable of being wrong

I'll make sure to be back before EoD this time.

I don't understand the situation around Kyle's supposed green check. What is it?

Also, can people stop being fucking obtuse with their claims. Last time I'll say it. It's literally so anti-town. Just don't, it only creates chaos.

Good night.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:48 pmppl just tunneling their wrong scumreads and justifying it with flimsy mech coz they dont wanna consider the possibility of them making a wrong read, that would be unbelievable, clearly they are incapable of being wrong

Tutu. There's no way that mech is flimsy. Come on.

Fwiw, from my POV, Tim was shooting me tonight almost always.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:47 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:46 pm how tf would i know if jack's role was obvious cop and why did mafia stop tim's shot

kyle targeted me last night

maybe kyle stopped the shot ask him fuck if i know

If somebody quotes pesci, person good

If somebody quotes simpsons, they bad

Maybe it’s just me but it was like, blatantly obvious it’s sad

thats not rly how u communicate to a person that they're a cop imo and for a good reason (evidence: cop missing his peek 2 nights in a row)

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:31 pm Thought about reading everything since I went to bed, and I probably will...but...


IMPORTANT MECH STUFF


Hyena handing out seance ability is confirmed, I am in a chat with Mac.

During their mason chat Nutella informed him that her role was to swap with a dead. Jack's back, that's that. It is possible that the swap removed Nutella and thwarted a NK targeting her.

Mac missed this post in which I share the power that Nutella told him she had in mason chat.

Nutella was not NK. (may have been targeted, but her power went off and she was gone)

Nutella swapped with Jack...presumably so he could share all the cop checks that he SHOULD have had to share.

man its so funny how jack misunderstood HIS OWN ROLE (which im not blaming him for) but the funny thing is how he then like

DUUUUUUUDE I WAS OBV COP, IF TUTUU ALIVE SHE MAF LMAO

dude u didnt even know ur own role

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:50 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:47 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:46 pm how tf would i know if jack's role was obvious cop and why did mafia stop tim's shot

kyle targeted me last night

maybe kyle stopped the shot ask him fuck if i know

If somebody quotes pesci, person good

If somebody quotes simpsons, they bad

Maybe it’s just me but it was like, blatantly obvious it’s sad

thats not rly how u communicate to a person that they're a cop imo and for a good reason (evidence: cop missing his peek 2 nights in a row)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:49 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:48 pmppl just tunneling their wrong scumreads and justifying it with flimsy mech coz they dont wanna consider the possibility of them making a wrong read, that would be unbelievable, clearly they are incapable of being wrong

Tutu. There's no way that mech is flimsy. Come on.

i dont know how it looks like from an outside pov but considering i know im town i am pretty biased to think its flimsy considering i have TMI and know the answer

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:33 pm Here’s the deal.

If you want me to flip all my reads, you have to actually say why, not just make vague “trust me” posts for no gd reason @Kylemii and @Syn.

Like if we have legit mechanical information that Tutuu is town and Radishes is a wolf, there is NO excuse for their wagons to be 5 vs 4.

You can’t debate an accusation of “trust me.” You can’t debate a clear of “trust me.”

Quit being cute and stop us from getting a mischop or admit this ain’t a sure thing.

nah

My info is remaining inaccessible for today. Feel free to keep Radishes alive if that's your inclination. Maybe you can cop check him now that you know your role isn't just funny words.

Look.

It was obvious Jack was a cop-like sort of role even if the wording was a bit confusing.

It was also obvious to me, reading EoD3, that Jack was not outing a redcheck on tutuu, just convinced based on how she handled his slot that she must be scum.

Can we stop arguing about this now and talk about me some more.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:50 pmMac missed this post in which I share the power that Nutella told him she had in mason chat.

Nutella was not NK. (may have been targeted, but her power went off and she was gone)

Nutella swapped with Jack...presumably so he could share all the cop checks that he SHOULD have had to share.

Do we know if Nutella's vanishing exempted her from a NK? Cause I tried protecting her and I have other evidence that my action was in fact successful based on what Martin has said.

I am in fact incapable of being wrong.

Tutuu is a wolf. Vaguely trust me.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:49 pm Fwiw, from my POV, Tim was shooting me tonight almost always.

Well, I mean I lied that out there hard and constantly under immense pressure so I would hope it was believed...but up against Jack flipping cop while screaming shoot Tutuu?

Policy yeet syn

Syn you have multiple people now telling you to just give us a little bit about your reasons.

Listen to your teammates. Your obstinacy is not actually helping town at this point.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:45 pm But also, @Syn I think you should really just spit out whatever you have on Radish. If you die with that info, that's really bad, unless we for sure will get it from your flip. There's no point trying to be self pres or whatever.

Tutu and Radish might both be scum, which would be golden. Maybe results are legit.

No.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:53 pm Policy yeet syn

For real though. Anti-town. Pout.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:33 pm Here’s the deal.

If you want me to flip all my reads, you have to actually say why, not just make vague “trust me” posts for no gd reason @Kylemii and @Syn.

Like if we have legit mechanical information that Tutuu is town and Radishes is a wolf, there is NO excuse for their wagons to be 5 vs 4.

You can’t debate an accusation of “trust me.” You can’t debate a clear of “trust me.”

Quit being cute and stop us from getting a mischop or admit this ain’t a sure thing.

nah

My info is remaining inaccessible for today. Feel free to keep Radishes alive if that's your inclination. Maybe you can cop check him now that you know your role isn't just funny words.

Then I ain’t following you.

Especially if your info is so unreliable that you’re asking for a cop check on MR.

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:53 pm

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:49 pm Fwiw, from my POV, Tim was shooting me tonight almost always.

Well, I mean I lied that out there hard and constantly under immense pressure so I would hope it was believed...but up against Jack flipping cop while screaming shoot Tutuu?

I mean you didn’t listen to anything else


But I agree with Master Radishes, we should talk about him more. I still think there is always a wolf between Radishes and 112. Let’s see how far that goes before we throw all of our eggs in on mechs we don’t understand

We stan a "I don't want to work with anyone" attitude!

Ok, good night. Fun times anyway, even though I'm confusion. But it's somehow going, even if it's kind of a train wreck as we go lol

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:43 pm I feel this round is actually one big clusterfuck of townies doing their damndest to throw a winning game.

Wolves are probably mainly in the wilgy/tsp sorta tier of presence, maybe like a ted or HK or someone, and we're gonna do what Syndicate always does and screw this up after a good start.

(Due to mech. As ever.)

Excuse me, I am not doing my damndest at anything.

There’s nothing to talk about in regards to MR unless someone besides Syn and Tutuu has a case.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:55 pm But I agree with Master Radishes, we should talk about him more. I still think there is always a wolf between Radishes and 112.

I've seen you make these dichotomies a few times now. It's bad logic. We could be two townies.

What's your rationale behind there ALWAYS being a wolf between us?

Why is Ted town????

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:52 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:33 pm Here’s the deal.

If you want me to flip all my reads, you have to actually say why, not just make vague “trust me” posts for no gd reason @Kylemii and @Syn.

Like if we have legit mechanical information that Tutuu is town and Radishes is a wolf, there is NO excuse for their wagons to be 5 vs 4.

You can’t debate an accusation of “trust me.” You can’t debate a clear of “trust me.”

Quit being cute and stop us from getting a mischop or admit this ain’t a sure thing.

nah

My info is remaining inaccessible for today. Feel free to keep Radishes alive if that's your inclination. Maybe you can cop check him now that you know your role isn't just funny words.

Then I ain’t following you.

Especially if your info is so unreliable that you’re asking for a cop check on MR.

That's fine.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:56 pm Why is Ted town????

I'm not ready to talk about my tinfoil there because he's been my biggest supporter all game long.

Both Tutu and Radish are wolves. And Mac too, quite frankly.

And can someone please give any good reasons Hyena is town? I've asked before and never been satisfied.

Mech discussion just devolves into a mess

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:56 pm Why is Ted town????

Ted didn't try to chop me. w!Ted has fallen into the "ah Tim will be an easy chop push there" trap repeatedly. Either Ted is just town, or w!Ted finally learned. I think probably just town, but POE, sure.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:00 pm Mech discussion just devolves into a mess

This is why mountainous GOAT @dyachei

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:56 pm

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:55 pm But I agree with Master Radishes, we should talk about him more. I still think there is always a wolf between Radishes and 112.

I've seen you make these dichotomies a few times now. It's bad logic. We could be two townies.

What's your rationale behind there ALWAYS being a wolf between us?

I’m not at a computer right now, but off the top, there’s been a lot of pushing of 112 by you, cat, marmot, and Nanook. You’ve voted 112 a lot, they didn’t. You could both be town, but It would make some votes make no sense. If you’re both town, then imo HkThunnal is mafia.

There was an early game podráce that felt sus between the three of you that involved weird votes from Nanook, Cat, and Marmot.

Also don’t you think 112 is bad still?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:59 pm And can someone please give any good reasons Hyena is town? I've asked before and never been satisfied.

IMO w!Hyena doesn't open a chat with dead Mac.

DEAD:
cat - yeeted d1 - post silencer. put in contact with jackofhearts during d2 by hyena's communicator role

dyachei - killed n1 - vengeful. attempted to be put in contact with. attempted to be put in contact with (someone) during d3 by hyena's role, allegedly they were afk

marmot - yeeted d2 - tetris blockhead - long con claims to have played tetris on d2 so allegedly marmot visited LC n1; MR claims to have played tetris on d3 so allegedly a role that uses power of dead targeted MR during n3

mac - killed n2 - neighbourizer - targeted nutella at (some point?); nutella claims to have had BTSC with mac during d2 and n3; i think he was 1-shot. put in contact with timsup2nothing during d4 by hyena's role

falcon - killed n3 - negative utility umm vanilla town - presumably dead because ran out of spiders

nanook - killed n3 - mafia goon with no abilities

LIVING:
112 - claims to have targeted someone during n2; her action failed and she was vaguely told of that (relation to MR's claim)

Alison - claims 3p gambit demon. chooses a target at day, they converse during night and accept or reject, at the end of the following day the deal is sealed and on the following night target can use action.
d1 long con tracker effective as of n2
d2 kyle steal-power-for-1-night-of-person-u-voted effective as of n3 (so d4)
d3 falcon protective effective as of n4
she redirects all night actions and votes that were supposed to land on her to her target instead if they accept the deal. she has hard claimed all the power she can give and everything about her role

DrWilgy - no info

Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful (unsure if it means that he knows he wasnt roleblocked, or if he knows that nutella was attacked)

Hyena - claims a role that lets a dead person be in BTSC with living person. n1 - cat with jack. n2 - dyachei with (i forgot who). n3 - mac with tim

JackofHearts2005 - some kind of cop that forces target to quote. holstered on all nights; thought his role is funny words

JustPlayingitcool - claims that there was some kind of benefit to the number of people on marmot's wagon reaching 10

Kylemii - claimed that he needed to be silenced during d2 to power himself up. claimed that he knows falcon and long con are same alignment unless he was roleblocked or one of those is 3p. on d4 claims mech info that tutuu is town

Long Con - claims to have played tetris on d2. soft cleared by kyle's mech info

Made - claims some kind of baseball role

Master Radishes - claims a redirector-esque role. n1 - nanook to presumably no effect. n2 - 112 to some effect. n3 - hollowkatt to no effect according to hkat

MartinGG99 - claims a role that has both positive and negative utility. they go hand in hand . n1 falcon. n2 JPIC. n3 nutella. 1/2 of his action on nutella failed

Michelle - no info

nutella - was in neighbourhood with mac. was not attacked on n3. swapped with jack by her own abiilty

Sloonei - allegedly silenced during d2 by the alleged mafia universal backup

Syn - claims <100% mech info that radish mafia

tedxtr - no info

hollowkatt - MR claims to have disrupted his target on n3. hollowkatt claims he doesnt know about it

Timsup2nothin - n3 vig. shot tutuu on n3. shot failed and he received vague feedback that something went wrong

TonyStarkPrime - no info (i think)

tutuu - no info

ping me with any mistakes, i will keep this updated

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:59 pm And can someone please give any good reasons Hyena is town? I've asked before and never been satisfied.

i had a thing in my cat iso that looked good, but i meant to look into hyena further but that was back when I was Lame Uptight Sloonei. Now I'm Cool Laid Back Sloonei, and doing work is for teachers and losers.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:59 pm And can someone please give any good reasons Hyena is town? I've asked before and never been satisfied.

Someone give me meta on them. They've had it out for me the entire game without listening to a word I'm saying. Just taking one sentence in my reply to go "GOTCHA" and it's ooooof. Never played with them, I think. I thought maybe they believed it, so town? Worst tunnelling usually town?

^Anyone?

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:51 pm man its so funny how jack misunderstood HIS OWN ROLE (which im not blaming him for) but the funny thing is how he then like

DUUUUUUUDE I WAS OBV COP, IF TUTUU ALIVE SHE MAF LMAO

dude u didnt even know ur own role

Yeah, and I’m one person who missed a few words (the bit about serving to a player each night) in a role on because I was multigaming.

To take the fact that I was a dumbo about a thing I didn’t care much about and extend that to say that the entire mafia team would make the same mistake is laughable.

You keep using your own lack of understanding my role as evidence but it’s not evidence because of the strong chance that you’re a wolf so we can’t trust your word on it.

The wolves as a whole knew what my role was and from that perspective, they knew Tim would shoot you.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:34 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:31 pm Thought about reading everything since I went to bed, and I probably will...but...


IMPORTANT MECH STUFF


Hyena handing out seance ability is confirmed, I am in a chat with Mac.

During their mason chat Nutella informed him that her role was to swap with a dead. Jack's back, that's that. It is possible that the swap removed Nutella and thwarted a NK targeting her.

Can you ask him why he suspected JPIC EoD2? That was the day phase right before he died.

Mac says he answered this already and you are pushing an agenda on JPIC.

Fuck, Tutuu might just be bad here

today has been a gigantic

humongous

obscene

waste of my time

the game is extremely vague and unreliable by design

and then add on top of that players all going solo heroes it just a waste of my time man

112 mafia and hollowkatt mafia in my opinion based off of their posts at day thats all

im going to do something more productive

what a waste

In Spider-Man, the person most up to date on role claims was Mac—Mac was mafia and therefore was far more incentived to care. Plus I can’t remember a game where Tutuu claimed this much about mech bs.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:01 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:56 pm

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:55 pm But I agree with Master Radishes, we should talk about him more. I still think there is always a wolf between Radishes and 112.

I've seen you make these dichotomies a few times now. It's bad logic. We could be two townies.

What's your rationale behind there ALWAYS being a wolf between us?

I’m not at a computer right now, but off the top, there’s been a lot of pushing of 112 by you, cat, marmot, and Nanook. You’ve voted 112 a lot, they didn’t. You could both be town, but It would make some votes make no sense. If you’re both town, then imo HkThunnal is mafia.

There was an early game podráce that felt sus between the three of you that involved weird votes from Nanook, Cat, and Marmot.

Also don’t you think 112 is bad still?

Okay. My memory isn't good enough to confirm or deny my own view of all this. 112 has been pushed by more than just those people, though. But I can see there's logic to this.

My read on 112 is on pause tbh. I don't think they're in their vintage town range, but I've yet to see anything damning and some of their posts even look alright.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:02 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:51 pm man its so funny how jack misunderstood HIS OWN ROLE (which im not blaming him for) but the funny thing is how he then like

DUUUUUUUDE I WAS OBV COP, IF TUTUU ALIVE SHE MAF LMAO

dude u didnt even know ur own role

Yeah, and I’m one person who missed a few words (the bit about serving to a player each night) in a role on because I was multigaming.

To take the fact that I was a dumbo about a thing I didn’t care much about and extend that to say that the entire mafia team would make the same mistake is laughable.

You keep using your own lack of understanding my role as evidence but it’s not evidence because of the strong chance that you’re a wolf so we can’t trust your word on it.

The wolves as a whole knew what my role was and from that perspective, they knew Tim would shoot you.

if they did i have no explanation that would satisfy u shrug is what it is then

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:03 pm today has been a gigantic

humongous

obscene

waste of my time

the game is extremely vague and unreliable by design

and then add on top of that players all going solo heroes it just a waste of my time man

112 mafia and hollowkatt mafia in my opinion based off of their posts at day thats all

im going to do something more productive

what a waste

player reads > mech reads

100% of the time

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:01 pmDyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful (unsure if it means that he knows he wasnt roleblocked, or if he knows that nutella was attacked

It means Martin had a result on his actions that makes sense with the ability I used. Only one part of his action failed. If he can confirm it was the negative effect that failed, my action was successful. I don't know how he got the info about only part of his action succeeding, but it fits with my action, so that's why I believe him, and I believe he's town.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:39 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 12:35 pm @112
@DrWilgy
@Dyslexicon
@Hyena
@Jackofhearts2005
@Long Con
@Made
@Master Radishes
@MartinGG99
@Sloonei
@tedxtr
@hollowkatt
@Timsup2nothin
@TonyStarkPrime

kyle claims mech info that tutuu town
syn claims mech info that radish scum

game game game game

Probably you have to die both asap

Why not Kyle or Syn then? I'd yeet you if you weren't so darn cute.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:04 pm In Spider-Man, the person most up to date on role claims was Mac—Mac was mafia and therefore was far more incentived to care. Plus I can’t remember a game where Tutuu claimed this much about mech bs.

ive recently seen scum do something pro-town to look towny therefore the next person who does something pro-town is also probably scum

good take made