The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:And, that said, let me make it clear that despite agreeing with Jay extensively this phase (which I didn't really feel so much during d1), I still disagree with him on the level of confidence in my town read of Rico, among other things. I have him as a slight town read for a reason; he's certainly not my most confident read.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And, that said, let me make it clear that despite agreeing with Jay extensively this phase (which I didn't really feel so much during d1), I still disagree with him on the level of confidence in my town read of Rico, among other things. I have him as a slight town read for a reason; he's certainly not my most confident read.

This looks like you're setting up to not be a primary target after the baddie Rico flip.

If that was what I am doing, which I am not, then surely I'm not doing a good job of it, precisely due to your post right here. If that's how you interpret my behavior, so be it. I don't know Rico's alignment. I'm defending him for clearly stated reasons and my perspective. I have no knowledge of anyone's alignment but my own.

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Effective immediately, QUIN is replacing SANMATEO and cannot be NK'd tonight.

suck on that, losers


I'd appreciate it if y'all could give me some time to get my real life workload out of the way before I invest myself too deeply here. I've got multiple reports due today I need to touch up before I submit them so my activity is going to be spotty probably just for this phase. After that, I can participate as I usually do

I've been following along to a certain extent (though mostly just skimming tbh), so I'd love it if anyone could sum up some of the more important things or give me some direction so I don't have to re-read 30 pages. There's a lot of invested people in this game so that would be no quick task.

a2thezebra wrote:What are some of your current reads in a post-Rico game, Sloonei?

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Effective immediately, QUIN is replacing SANMATEO and cannot be NK'd tonight.

suck on that, losers


I'd appreciate it if y'all could give me some time to get my real life workload out of the way before I invest myself too deeply here. I've got multiple reports due today I need to touch up before I submit them so my activity is going to be spotty probably just for this phase. After that, I can participate as I usually do

I've been following along to a certain extent (though mostly just skimming tbh), so I'd love it if anyone could sum up some of the more important things or give me some direction so I don't have to re-read 30 pages. There's a lot of invested people in this game so that would be no quick task.

Team JaggedSlooneiSock and Team Maczebrahere are locked in a heated battle of mostly townie contention.

Quin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Effective immediately, QUIN is replacing SANMATEO and cannot be NK'd tonight.

suck on that, losers


I'd appreciate it if y'all could give me some time to get my real life workload out of the way before I invest myself too deeply here. I've got multiple reports due today I need to touch up before I submit them so my activity is going to be spotty probably just for this phase. After that, I can participate as I usually do

I've been following along to a certain extent (though mostly just skimming tbh), so I'd love it if anyone could sum up some of the more important things or give me some direction so I don't have to re-read 30 pages. There's a lot of invested people in this game so that would be no quick task.

Team JaggedSlooneiSock and Team Maczebrahere are locked in a heated battle of mostly townie contention.

What does mostly mean? Are you against either Mac or zebra?

I'm gonna suck it up and read the thread again because surprisingly enough, asking people to summarise 30 pages didn't work out too well. :P

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:It pains me to disparage a lady, but I do believe Elohcin's response to that random vote from her husband was a bit lifeless. Considering she is here to see Neil Hartley live and in the flesh, I know she isn't that bored. The look on her face, it's giving Neil the wrong impression.

So yeah, it was like after midnight when I posted that response to Epi. Maybe that's why it seems lifeless. Last night was my monthly ladies night out and I didn't come home until I had my fill of caramel apple sangria.

I cannot even remember what emoji I used. Wait....I do remember. Was it was "I'm wacko" one ...I think so. That emoji makes me think of someone being crazy and silly with their post/vote. I actually didn't even look to see he ACTUALLY voted for me. I thought he was kidding at the time. Maybe I ought to vote him back But probably not as I might be voting to save myself with it being so close and all.

I know nothing of this show, so JJJ is confusing me a bit. I may vote him. It seems a little 'trying too hard' to come in here role play like that right off the bat. Like he is trying to win us over. What do y'all think? And this is not WIFOM talking...whatever that is. I never understood that term completely. but you all seem to use it for when you go after someone who has gone after you? I don't know.

I'll hold off on voting for now.

Ricochet wrote:Oh, and on MP, I have so far "hoping on lynches he doesn't even share the same views on" and "agreeing with my suss'd deflections without argumentation". Neither are ideal, clean moves, but they're also far from portraying MP alignment-wise.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I also neglected to mention... we have a birthday girl in the lounge tonight? Yeah it's past midnight now, but what the hell. Raise your glasses everyone for LoRab!

Quin wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Oh, and on MP, I have so far "hoping on lynches he doesn't even share the same views on" and "agreeing with my suss'd deflections without argumentation". Neither are ideal, clean moves, but they're also far from portraying MP alignment-wise.

This was a fair point from Rico, but I don't have full context, so I'll have to go back and read into it.

Question: Was Rico indie or civ? His role was listed as a civilian but described as indie so, uh.

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.

But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?

I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Glad Epi is dead. I was gut feeling him as bad and this makes my life easier.

Someone tl;dr me for day/night 1.

So, a civ is very likely dead and you are glad about it? Hrm.

DrWilgy wrote:@Sloonei I gut read you as bad from me due to a feeling of dancing around the pizza last night. A forced non-grasping of the Rico situation. This is heavily dependent upon other's alignements though.

@Sprityo I gut read you due to your request of wishing to team with Mac following mine.

@Lorab, yes that is what I stated. Your point?

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.

But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?

I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.

If this is true then this looks bad for Eloh. A BWT wagon would be a lot less likely to take off than a Mac wagon since only one of them was actually around. It doesn't make sense for a self-preservation vote.

Sloonei wrote:More self-absorbed analysis Sloonei:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Potentially controversial opinion: INH and Rico are currently my two strongest town reads based on tone.

Looking at the tally, that leaves me in an undesirable situation.

15 minutes earlier...

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sloonei is towning this thread up. I'd be shocked if he's mafia, at least right now.

Granted, he never gives me a specific ranking in his list of reads, but the message that I got from the latter post was that my towniness was so glaring that it merited its own definitiveacknowledgment in the thread. This would presumably place me very near the top of the list. But then 15 minutes later, INH and Rico are his two strongest reads. Did my towning really wear off that fast?

Sloonei wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And, that said, let me make it clear that despite agreeing with Jay extensively this phase (which I didn't really feel so much during d1), I still disagree with him on the level of confidence in my town read of Rico, among other things. I have him as a slight town read for a reason; he's certainly not my most confident read.

This looks like you're setting up to not be a primary target after the baddie Rico flip.

If that was what I am doing, which I am not, then surely I'm not doing a good job of it, precisely due to your post right here. If that's how you interpret my behavior, so be it. I don't know Rico's alignment. I'm defending him for clearly stated reasons and my perspective. I have no knowledge of anyone's alignment but my own.

zebra does raise a good point about your motive here. Why take the time, moments before Ricochet flips, to announce that he's not actually a strong town read? He's going down no matter what. Why make the clarification then?

Sloonei wrote:Except I'm also having doubts about MP now, as a few of my catch-up posts indicated. I am not sure his behavior at the end of Day 2 was totally consistent.

I think there were a few good points made against sprityo too, but that's like ancient history now.

Quin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:@Sloonei I gut read you as bad from me due to a feeling of dancing around the pizza last night. A forced non-grasping of the Rico situation. This is heavily dependent upon other's alignements though.

@Sprityo I gut read you due to your request of wishing to team with Mac following mine.

@Lorab, yes that is what I stated. Your point?

What's your view on Sloonei now that you have an alignment to work with?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Except I'm also having doubts about MP now, as a few of my catch-up posts indicated. I am not sure his behavior at the end of Day 2 was totally consistent.

I think there were a few good points made against sprityo too, but that's like ancient history now.

Can you elaborate? What other concerns can I address? This is the second time now someone is calling my behavior inconsistent; first, I am not sure how that is the case, and second, I am not sure how, pending showing me that it is the case, that would make me mafia-aligned.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The graduate school application process is going to drive Neil Hartley to drinking.

This news is encouraging to Sloonei

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The graduate school application process is going to drive Neil Hartley to drinking.

This news is encouraging to Sloonei

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:The graduate school application process is going to drive Neil Hartley to drinking.

This news is encouraging to Sloonei

Get as much information and guidance as you can while you're still in an academic environment. People available to you will have knowledge of how this stuff goes. I haven't taken a class in an actual classroom for a decade; I've had to wing the whole deal.

Quin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:@Sloonei I gut read you as bad from me due to a feeling of dancing around the pizza last night. A forced non-grasping of the Rico situation. This is heavily dependent upon other's alignements though.

@Sprityo I gut read you due to your request of wishing to team with Mac following mine.

@Lorab, yes that is what I stated. Your point?

What's your view on Sloonei now that you have an alignment to work with?

Quin wrote:

LoRab wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Glad Epi is dead. I was gut feeling him as bad and this makes my life easier.

Someone tl;dr me for day/night 1.

So, a civ is very likely dead and you are glad about it? Hrm.

His post caught my attention as well. Did I make a mistake letting it go based on the fact that it came from Wilgy? I don't think so.

Sloonei mentioned in a post that you were pinged by 3J's roleplay earlier, LoRab. Can you elaborate on why? Was there a reason to suspect him for it in this specific case, or is it based on principle?

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.

But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?

I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.

If this is true then this looks bad for Eloh. A BWT wagon would be a lot less likely to take off than a Mac wagon since only one of them was actually around. It doesn't make sense for a self-preservation vote.

a2thezebra wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Omoshiroi desu ne?

Is LoRab still bad?

sprityo wrote:@sloonei: I didn't forget your question, I just haven't willed myself around to doing it yet. At first glance inh is in a weird position to say the least. I'll try to do something decent tonight or something maybe idk.

Linki: I totally was just about to post this

sprityo wrote:@sloonei: it appears INH was sorta in the game, trying to put out some kind of content as to not look useless/lurker suspicious. But then you started poking at his logic with questions and he basically got more and more defensive (and frustrated) as it went on until he did that large post on page 16.) overall I think you should cut him some slack and back off the previous day stuff and ask his opinions on something else rather than frustrate him more. I can see your side of the argument about him just parroting, but it's not enough to convince anything short of thinking INH is null or slightly scummy at worst

sprityo wrote:@sloonei: well off the top of my head I can place Sloonei and JJJ in town with zebra following them. I don't have an opinion over either mac or Rico, and I don't think MP has done anything terrible outside of just being goofy. Other than that I haven't tried to deep think about anyone mostly due to the large amounts of text that appear between two people at a time. I'm essentially at "everyone is innocent until proven guilty" right now

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.

But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?

I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.

If this is true then this looks bad for Eloh. A BWT wagon would be a lot less likely to take off than a Mac wagon since only one of them was actually around. It doesn't make sense for a self-preservation vote.

And as it's been pointed out, no...Mac and BWT both had 2 votes when I voted. But at the time I thought it was time for me to make a self preservation vote. I think we ought to get past this. Why is it you think I am so bad? Does your opinion stem from what others have said or is this all your own thoughts as you have caught yourself up after replacing in?

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.

But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?

I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.

If this is true then this looks bad for Eloh. A BWT wagon would be a lot less likely to take off than a Mac wagon since only one of them was actually around. It doesn't make sense for a self-preservation vote.

And as it's been pointed out, no...Mac and BWT both had 2 votes when I voted. But at the time I thought it was time for me to make a self preservation vote. I think we ought to get past this. Why is it you think I am so bad? Does your opinion stem from what others have said or is this all your own thoughts as you have caught yourself up after replacing in?

Your vote isn't so suspicious to me anymore now that I know the full context, but I'm still iffy about the way you went around developing your suspicion of 3J. Are you still suspicious of him? Why/why not?


I'm continuing my catchup. I don't know how you guys do this all the time

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

Sloonei wrote:birdwithteeth has not posted in this game yet. That is the entirety of the case against him. Scotty always votes a no-show or low poster on Day 1. Elohcin voted purely out of self-preservation.

But MacDougall had more votes than BWT when Eloh voted, yes?

I only skimmed this AM, I will read back to when I told Rico I was going to step back when I get home in about 1.5 hours.

If this is true then this looks bad for Eloh. A BWT wagon would be a lot less likely to take off than a Mac wagon since only one of them was actually around. It doesn't make sense for a self-preservation vote.

And as it's been pointed out, no...Mac and BWT both had 2 votes when I voted. But at the time I thought it was time for me to make a self preservation vote. I think we ought to get past this. Why is it you think I am so bad? Does your opinion stem from what others have said or is this all your own thoughts as you have caught yourself up after replacing in?

Your vote isn't so suspicious to me anymore now that I know the full context, but I'm still iffy about the way you went around developing your suspicion of 3J. Are you still suspicious of him? Why/why not?


I'm continuing my catchup. I don't know how you guys do this all the time

I initially accused JJJ of seeming like he was trying too hard with his roleplaying. But that was to see his reaction. I was trying to feel him out as I was not sure about him. But...I later said that even though his role playing confuses me and that I don't like it, I still think he is civ. So...not sure what you are talking about when you bring up the word suspicion.

Elohcin wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Elohcin wrote:However, I don't agree with JJJ and his vote for me. Epi said it himself that he had no reason for voting/suspecting me.

One of the reasons you've gotten the attention of Neil Hartley for the wrong reasons is that you keep attributing my suspicion of you to Epignosis. Don't get me wrong, Epi is a top gentleman. He knows his stuff. You're talking to Neil though. You know, the main event? The man under the spotlight with the microphone who's been crooning the evening away so divinely? You're talking to me, not Epignosis.

It's weird. I don't know what it is. But your role-playing makes me cringe. (I'm not trying to be mean, just honest.) I think there are multiple reasons for this. First, you have always been such a logical, reasonable player. And this act seems to be the opposite to that. The second reason is difficult for me to explain. I am a very matter-of-fact person. Black and white. The role playing unnerves me for some reason and I think its b/c it seems like you are hiding behind it. Like you don;t have to be real or talk about real issues of the game b/c you are roleplaying. Maybe I am the one being weird, or who IS weird. Maybe I am bringing my own personality issues into this and shouldn't be. FWIW, I think you are civ.

MacDougall wrote:Both Zebra and Motel Room have summed up my thoughts fairly well. Motel Room has drawn the same conclusions of Ricochet's play that has led to me reading the way I have, which is why I voted for Ricochet and Zebra explained exactly why I posted my first day 2 post when I dead, because I had stopped reading Rico's shit. Ricochet continuing to be antagonistic towards me on day 2 after dropping the policy lynch doesn't make me feel good as Mafia. Ricochet as well as the majority of the thread continuing discourse the involves me is annoying as fuck and my opening day 2 post reflects that, which Zebra adequately pointed out. Dom pointing out that the Ricochet/Mac stuff being unnoteworthy is also how I feel. It is annoying the fuck out of me that it continues.

Ricochet annoyed me for trying to policy lynch me day 1. I ain't about that life. That it started to bleed into day 2 started to . My first post reflected that. Zebra read well that I had stopped really reading his shit. Ricochet was not bad for it, but it definitely emotionally affected me. There is no way to say that bad rico wouldn't do it, or good rico is more likely because rico declared that he would do it before the game even started. He was all in on doing so before he drew a rolecard. So his day 1 policy lynch stuff is an absolute null.

Ricochet continuing to be hostile to me after that makes me think he is bad. I don't see any reason why he would feel the need to be antagonistic towards me, or make the post like "continue to kill whoever you want" if he is to be reverting to having a null read of me, which he should be. Motel Room did a good job pointing this out.

I think JJJ is trying to dig his scum teammate out of the shit tbh. It's easy to say "oh wifom as if he'd do that as bad" just as it's easy to say that he wouldn't have killed Epignosis, I love how he immediately ruled out the potential of he and a myriad of other players being responsible for the death of Epi because of interacting with him on the night immediately preceding Epi's death. I think JJJ is bad and is playing a very straight bat and leaning on wifom to throw us off. It's exactly how Wilgy and me play scum and tbh the fact that he referred to us as exponents of it makes me think he is extremely conscious that he is employing Maclike scum tactics in this game.

So far if I was to bucket people I would say I am reading Motel Room, Zebra, Dom and INH as civ because I can understand just about everything from them, there is no spin and it's easy to follow, and I am reading JJJ and Rico as bad because I can't rationalise some of their stuff. Everyone else is fairly neutral with the exception of Sloonei who I am gut reading bad but haven't got much in thread evidence to lean on. I think Dom is probably good.

DrWilgy wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Omoshiroi desu ne?

Is LoRab still bad?

Yes. Rico's alignment in my head was more based on Lorab. Lorab is still bad tho.