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Time is finite tho
I disagree wholeheartedly. If we have concerns, it is better to voice them and allow them to play out than to remain silent.
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:00 pmthis looks like the exact same reasons for Poison and Long but one is a wolf cause of it one is a townBoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:57 pmYeah surestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:46 pm boknows, a couple of things:
-can you explain your townread on me?
-can you explain your scumread on poison?
-can you explain your scumread on long con?
-how did you get enough confidence to make an entire reads list when your solving up until this point has been non-existent? why didn't you post any notes or thoughts inbetween you fillering and you outing that list of reads?
Yourself: I like the questions you've been asking all game long. They aren't just wall questions that I would post if I'm a wolf but actually meaningful questions that can help us solve the game.
Poison: Very passive game from poison (I know the irony). I feel that there is no urgency to their game. It seems like Poison is just trying to post enough to not be labelled as a slacker but not going into depth in their posts.
Long: Long is giving me "drive-by" wolf vibes. They pop in make a quick comment, agree with a player and leave. LongCon isn't in a rush to make a rush difference it seems like.
I just made the list cause why not. I'm already sussed so what do I have to lose.
Well this is just bizarre since Esooa misread BK's post and BK didn't even acknowledge itBoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:04 pmyeahEsooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:00 pmthis looks like the exact same reasons for Poison and Long but one is a wolf cause of it one is a townBoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:57 pmYeah surestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:46 pm boknows, a couple of things:
-can you explain your townread on me?
-can you explain your scumread on poison?
-can you explain your scumread on long con?
-how did you get enough confidence to make an entire reads list when your solving up until this point has been non-existent? why didn't you post any notes or thoughts inbetween you fillering and you outing that list of reads?
Yourself: I like the questions you've been asking all game long. They aren't just wall questions that I would post if I'm a wolf but actually meaningful questions that can help us solve the game.
Poison: Very passive game from poison (I know the irony). I feel that there is no urgency to their game. It seems like Poison is just trying to post enough to not be labelled as a slacker but not going into depth in their posts.
Long: Long is giving me "drive-by" wolf vibes. They pop in make a quick comment, agree with a player and leave. LongCon isn't in a rush to make a rush difference it seems like.
I just made the list cause why not. I'm already sussed so what do I have to lose.
Why is that a bad look for c4? Why vote for Bo over him?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:16 pm Yeah, Imma go ahead & [VOTE: VOTE BK] aubergine, but gotta say...C4 counting BK as a pelt before a flip? Def scum lean
yeahKZA wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:17 pmEsooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:00 pmthis looks like the exact same reasons for Poison and Long but one is a wolf cause of it one is a townBoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:57 pmYeah surestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:46 pm boknows, a couple of things:
-can you explain your townread on me?
-can you explain your scumread on poison?
-can you explain your scumread on long con?
-how did you get enough confidence to make an entire reads list when your solving up until this point has been non-existent? why didn't you post any notes or thoughts inbetween you fillering and you outing that list of reads?
Yourself: I like the questions you've been asking all game long. They aren't just wall questions that I would post if I'm a wolf but actually meaningful questions that can help us solve the game.
Poison: Very passive game from poison (I know the irony). I feel that there is no urgency to their game. It seems like Poison is just trying to post enough to not be labelled as a slacker but not going into depth in their posts.
Long: Long is giving me "drive-by" wolf vibes. They pop in make a quick comment, agree with a player and leave. LongCon isn't in a rush to make a rush difference it seems like.
I just made the list cause why not. I'm already sussed so what do I have to lose.Well this is just bizarre since Esooa misread BK's post and BK didn't even acknowledge itBoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:04 pmyeahEsooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:00 pmthis looks like the exact same reasons for Poison and Long but one is a wolf cause of it one is a townBoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:57 pmYeah surestaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:46 pm boknows, a couple of things:
-can you explain your townread on me?
-can you explain your scumread on poison?
-can you explain your scumread on long con?
-how did you get enough confidence to make an entire reads list when your solving up until this point has been non-existent? why didn't you post any notes or thoughts inbetween you fillering and you outing that list of reads?
Yourself: I like the questions you've been asking all game long. They aren't just wall questions that I would post if I'm a wolf but actually meaningful questions that can help us solve the game.
Poison: Very passive game from poison (I know the irony). I feel that there is no urgency to their game. It seems like Poison is just trying to post enough to not be labelled as a slacker but not going into depth in their posts.
Long: Long is giving me "drive-by" wolf vibes. They pop in make a quick comment, agree with a player and leave. LongCon isn't in a rush to make a rush difference it seems like.
I just made the list cause why not. I'm already sussed so what do I have to lose.
Tinfoil is perfectly healthy when you voice it and then put it in its rightful place as tinfoil. Unfortunately people don't really do that.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:16 pmI disagree wholeheartedly. If we have concerns, it is better to voice them and allow them to play out than to remain silent.
Sure. Pursue suspicions responsibly. But to say something is “meaningless to pursue” is counterproductive and dismissive.c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:20 pmTinfoil is perfectly healthy when you voice it and then put it in its rightful place as tinfoil. Unfortunately people don't really do that.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:16 pmI disagree wholeheartedly. If we have concerns, it is better to voice them and allow them to play out than to remain silent.
Fair enoughSloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:22 pmSure. Pursue suspicions responsibly. But to say something is “meaningless to pursue” is counterproductive and dismissive.c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:20 pmTinfoil is perfectly healthy when you voice it and then put it in its rightful place as tinfoil. Unfortunately people don't really do that.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:16 pmI disagree wholeheartedly. If we have concerns, it is better to voice them and allow them to play out than to remain silent.
I have given some thoughts. Let me finish this essay and I'll put my big boy pants on.
i do it in all my town games but I don't think SPF plays like meEsooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:07 pmmore so that she's thinking about her reads in terms of "reads a scum would out" as if she's trying to out reads a scum wouldn't consciously, which I mean, is never something I've done as town probably even once?Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:05 pmshe's admitting that her own read is something a scum would say, is the ideaLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:04 pmHow is it a slip? I don't get the angle here.Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:47 pmI liked Jess's post but this feels like a slip sagfdgldfasghkdfgstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:43 pm addendum: you seem to take issue with me not being comfortable outing a townlean on you in the early game but then outing a townlean on you after the "test" - this is because my early townlean on you was mostly "tone/town!sloonei vibes" - the type of vague, uncharacteristic read that contains generic reasoning that any scum on auto-pilot would be able to out. it felt like a better idea to me to wait until i became more sure of your alignment and also to wait until i could articulate my townread on you better before i decided to publicly state it. your reaction to the "test" gave me the confidence to do exactly that
But that still doesn't mean that we should chop LC. It just means that you townread Urist.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:40 pmUh no but let me explain in a different way:Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 pmPerhaps you are confusing seriousness with prescience?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:32 pmIn the world of Urist's postLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:25 pmIn what world does Urist's alleged level of seriousness equate to chopping me?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:36 am If Urist is serious about the vault city post we should still chop LC I think
If Urist means the things he says, he should come to the conclusion that we should chop LC
more like BK is trying to blend in by copying someone else's format
Have I really been that badAlison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:30 pm also to be clear counting BK as a pelt preflip is the towniest thing that foresight has done this game because I don't buy that it's a TMI-ed scumslip on his own buddy and it seems more like the kind of unselfconscious overconfident thing that town does when they're sure it's a hit.
did you not like my response on http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 19#p737619 ?Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:07 pmmore so that she's thinking about her reads in terms of "reads a scum would out" as if she's trying to out reads a scum wouldn't consciously, which I mean, is never something I've done as town probably even once?Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:05 pmshe's admitting that her own read is something a scum would say, is the ideaLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:04 pmHow is it a slip? I don't get the angle here.Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:47 pmI liked Jess's post but this feels like a slip sagfdgldfasghkdfgstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:43 pm addendum: you seem to take issue with me not being comfortable outing a townlean on you in the early game but then outing a townlean on you after the "test" - this is because my early townlean on you was mostly "tone/town!sloonei vibes" - the type of vague, uncharacteristic read that contains generic reasoning that any scum on auto-pilot would be able to out. it felt like a better idea to me to wait until i became more sure of your alignment and also to wait until i could articulate my townread on you better before i decided to publicly state it. your reaction to the "test" gave me the confidence to do exactly that
it didn't really change much for me regarding what you posted there but I also don't really take slips too seriously and was just explaining what I thought about itstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:40 pmdid you not like my response on http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 19#p737619 ?Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:07 pmmore so that she's thinking about her reads in terms of "reads a scum would out" as if she's trying to out reads a scum wouldn't consciously, which I mean, is never something I've done as town probably even once?Alison wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:05 pmshe's admitting that her own read is something a scum would say, is the ideaLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:04 pmHow is it a slip? I don't get the angle here.Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:47 pmI liked Jess's post but this feels like a slip sagfdgldfasghkdfgstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:43 pm addendum: you seem to take issue with me not being comfortable outing a townlean on you in the early game but then outing a townlean on you after the "test" - this is because my early townlean on you was mostly "tone/town!sloonei vibes" - the type of vague, uncharacteristic read that contains generic reasoning that any scum on auto-pilot would be able to out. it felt like a better idea to me to wait until i became more sure of your alignment and also to wait until i could articulate my townread on you better before i decided to publicly state it. your reaction to the "test" gave me the confidence to do exactly that
In general or if BK flips scum?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:16 pm Yeah, Imma go ahead & [VOTE: VOTE BK] aubergine, but gotta say...C4 counting BK as a pelt before a flip? Def scum lean
In generalJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:43 pmIn general or if BK flips scum?falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:16 pm Yeah, Imma go ahead & [VOTE: VOTE BK] aubergine, but gotta say...C4 counting BK as a pelt before a flip? Def scum lean
why'd you include cards on the table in thisstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:46 pm cards on the table: i'm worried about foresight's defense of me being TMI
he seemed actively suspicious, if not enraged about the fact that i was refusing to out my reads in the early game
and even though a lot of the pressure i've faced today has revolved around that EXACT dynamic, foresight has written it off as "nothing" and downplayed the suspicion on me as being dumb
and like, it is dumb. but i don't know if foresight would organically think that given the reaction that he showed to my posts at the time - i do feel like it lacks a bit of internal consistency
addendum: something that happens in almost every game i play w/people who aren't familiar with my playstyle is that i start out getting a ton of pressure/early momentum against me, and then i gradually claw my way into the towncore once people realize i'm not an easy mislynchstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:46 pm cards on the table: i'm worried about foresight's defense of me being TMI
he seemed actively suspicious, if not enraged about the fact that i was refusing to out my reads in the early game
and even though a lot of the pressure i've faced today has revolved around that EXACT dynamic, foresight has written it off as "nothing" and downplayed the suspicion on me as being dumb
and like, it is dumb. but i don't know if foresight would organically think that given the reaction that he showed to my posts at the time - i do feel like it lacks a bit of internal consistency
cause i've treated foresight as a hard town read up until this pointEsooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:48 pmwhy'd you include cards on the table in thisstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:46 pm cards on the table: i'm worried about foresight's defense of me being TMI
he seemed actively suspicious, if not enraged about the fact that i was refusing to out my reads in the early game
and even though a lot of the pressure i've faced today has revolved around that EXACT dynamic, foresight has written it off as "nothing" and downplayed the suspicion on me as being dumb
and like, it is dumb. but i don't know if foresight would organically think that given the reaction that he showed to my posts at the time - i do feel like it lacks a bit of internal consistency
addendum to that addendum:staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:48 pmaddendum: something that happens in almost every game i play w/people who aren't familiar with my playstyle is that i start out getting a ton of pressure/early momentum against me, and then i gradually claw my way into the towncore once people realize i'm not an easy mislynchstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:46 pm cards on the table: i'm worried about foresight's defense of me being TMI
he seemed actively suspicious, if not enraged about the fact that i was refusing to out my reads in the early game
and even though a lot of the pressure i've faced today has revolved around that EXACT dynamic, foresight has written it off as "nothing" and downplayed the suspicion on me as being dumb
and like, it is dumb. but i don't know if foresight would organically think that given the reaction that he showed to my posts at the time - i do feel like it lacks a bit of internal consistency
it happened in radiohead mafia. it happened in bread mafia. it happened in my hydra game with hally. it happened in rocks falls invitational
and every time i face that pressure, there's almost always some scum that tries a little bit too hard to defend me/dismiss the concerns about me, as a way to look townier when my alignment is eventually revealed
i haven't felt that level of TMI from anyone but foresight and maybe BoKnows, tbh
in fairness, kza and poison fit this description toostaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:48 pmaddendum: something that happens in almost every game i play w/people who aren't familiar with my playstyle is that i start out getting a ton of pressure/early momentum against me, and then i gradually claw my way into the towncore once people realize i'm not an easy mislynchstaypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:46 pm cards on the table: i'm worried about foresight's defense of me being TMI
he seemed actively suspicious, if not enraged about the fact that i was refusing to out my reads in the early game
and even though a lot of the pressure i've faced today has revolved around that EXACT dynamic, foresight has written it off as "nothing" and downplayed the suspicion on me as being dumb
and like, it is dumb. but i don't know if foresight would organically think that given the reaction that he showed to my posts at the time - i do feel like it lacks a bit of internal consistency
it happened in radiohead mafia. it happened in bread mafia. it happened in my hydra game with hally. it happened in rocks falls invitational
and every time i face that pressure, there's almost always some scum that tries a little bit too hard to defend me/dismiss the concerns about me, as a way to look townier when my alignment is eventually revealed
i haven't felt that level of TMI from anyone but foresight and maybe BoKnows, tbh
i don't think you understand the setupTonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:40 pmUh no but let me explain in a different way:Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:28 pmPerhaps you are confusing seriousness with prescience?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:32 pmIn the world of Urist's postLong Con wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 1:25 pmIn what world does Urist's alleged level of seriousness equate to chopping me?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 10:36 am If Urist is serious about the vault city post we should still chop LC I think
If Urist means the things he says, he should come to the conclusion that we should chop LC
why am i townier?staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Mar 01, 2021 8:02 pm i think alison is considerably townier in this game than she was in bread mafia, btw. that's a huge part of my basis for my townlean on her
Top 3 Town, Top 3 Scum.
