The Syndicate

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:58 pm I guess I'm just used to vMarl burying wolf reads and maybe im just not used to light game post cap marl thats just laid back and chillin

Like, what are marls wolf reads? Outed Wolf for the vote on Nutella but he forgot about that for a bit, Hally but also not Hally but maybe Hally, he's the "eod ill have gav's alignment 100%" person and he's currently at "idk, theres worlds where hes v even then he'd get voted at lylo anyways", and now an associative Marl/Va w/w read.

I'm used to marl throwing down and letting his wolf reads know they are wolf reads and letting everyone else know that not only are they wolf reads but he's right.

And like, I understand ~ everyone else is just thinking "ya marl obv v" so it's a me thing and it's probably a case where wolves didn't wanna throw down with him so they just marked him v and moved on. But I still don't understand it.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:10 pm im starting to townread hally but it's for the overly elaborate 4d chess reason that i dont feel like theyre trying to towntell or get people to townread them. they feel somewhat detached from the game and their posts don't feel cloying or focused on how they're getting perceived - gth i would lean on this coming from hally as a villager

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:34 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:23 am Wait vulgard, how did you only quote the posts where I didn't explain and none of the posts where I did?

I think both alison and gav are independently wolfy. I think if alison is a wolf, gav is probably villa because of the whiteknighting that she's kind of sort of doing

I'm not really sure why that's hard to understand?

and nutella why would my "wolf agenda" ever be pushing alison when I know she's a hard elim to make happen?

maybe because you think it looks good, even if you can't stop gav from going over you have tried to push an original suspect

I see you've moved your vote to gav since, but the length of time your vote was parked on alison while you danced around a gav suspicion was concerning to me

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:51 am it's really getting old that people think they should dictate how I play the game. I play on my own terms with my own style. I guess if you don't like it, that's tough for you

????

who is doing that

you did to a degree when you bitched about me wasting posts and how anxiety inducing that was.

I moved to gavial because the more he posts the more i think he's a wolf. I think there's a world where alison is a wolf and gav is villa though

alison's posts have really skeeved me out and I'm sorry that's apparently a problem for you

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:02 pm Fwiw after sleeping on it I had the realization that Outed Wolf is a villager and that I feel good about this read even if I'll still be scared in the back of my mind

I'm gonna wait for his epiphany that I'm one too but it should come to him shortly

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:59 pm

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:56 pm If Hally / SPF / Vulgard / Arete are all town and seth randed wolf i'm gonna feel like a bully in the postgame

that's like a squad of 5 professional wrestlers taking a high schooler's lunch money

and its xposted with this which just reads towny to me (as was the sleep brain post last night) so whatever ima just listen to others and move on lol

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:00 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:58 pm

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:56 pm If Hally / SPF / Vulgard / Arete are all town and seth randed wolf i'm gonna feel like a bully in the postgame

that's like a squad of 5 professional wrestlers taking a high schooler's lunch money

kind of like his perspective in this post

not really sure it's AI though

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:24 pm actually i changed my mind i'm opposed to killing kza solely on the grounds of "we should rly just kill gav"

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:22 pm sleepy but extant. will probably not significantly deviate from this state for the 2.5 hours remaining to us

catching up piecemeal, am not opposed to killing kza

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:24 pm actually i changed my mind i'm opposed to killing kza solely on the grounds of "we should rly just kill gav"

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:08 pm I feel like this will be the game where I defend someone for reasons I think are good, get explained why that's bad, grumble, and have them flip wolf

I think that person is Alison but I'm gonna call them a villager anyways because I want to. Might be Dya. Gonna let them chill too.

Prepare the good/bad chart bronana

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:25 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:49 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:34 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:23 am Wait vulgard, how did you only quote the posts where I didn't explain and none of the posts where I did?

I think both alison and gav are independently wolfy. I think if alison is a wolf, gav is probably villa because of the whiteknighting that she's kind of sort of doing

I'm not really sure why that's hard to understand?

and nutella why would my "wolf agenda" ever be pushing alison when I know she's a hard elim to make happen?

maybe because you think it looks good, even if you can't stop gav from going over you have tried to push an original suspect

I see you've moved your vote to gav since, but the length of time your vote was parked on alison while you danced around a gav suspicion was concerning to me

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 8:51 am it's really getting old that people think they should dictate how I play the game. I play on my own terms with my own style. I guess if you don't like it, that's tough for you

????

who is doing that

you did to a degree when you bitched about me wasting posts and how anxiety inducing that was.

I moved to gavial because the more he posts the more i think he's a wolf. I think there's a world where alison is a wolf and gav is villa though

alison's posts have really skeeved me out and I'm sorry that's apparently a problem for you

dya's town actually

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:30 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:24 pm actually i changed my mind i'm opposed to killing kza solely on the grounds of "we should rly just kill gav"

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we’re killing gavial today, dw

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:29 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:00 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:58 pm

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:56 pm If Hally / SPF / Vulgard / Arete are all town and seth randed wolf i'm gonna feel like a bully in the postgame

that's like a squad of 5 professional wrestlers taking a high schooler's lunch money

kind of like his perspective in this post

not really sure it's AI though

why not?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:10 pm im starting to townread hally but it's for the overly elaborate 4d chess reason that i dont feel like theyre trying to towntell or get people to townread them. they feel somewhat detached from the game and their posts don't feel cloying or focused on how they're getting perceived - gth i would lean on this coming from hally as a villager

KZA wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:16 pm I didn't even read CoV while I was alive

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:31 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:22 pm sleepy but extant. will probably not significantly deviate from this state for the 2.5 hours remaining to us

catching up piecemeal, am not opposed to killing kza

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:24 pm actually i changed my mind i'm opposed to killing kza solely on the grounds of "we should rly just kill gav"

I think it's weird you're acting as if there is any chance gav lives to night 1

it's been obvious he's gonna be the designated yeet today for like, 40+ hours

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:31 pmi'm really trying not to be too stubborn on dya and want to see them get more into things d2 but i just can't bring myself to feel good about any of their posts

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:31 pmi'm really trying not to be too stubborn on dya and want to see them get more into things d2 but i just can't bring myself to feel good about any of their posts

how much experience do you have with dya? i thought they had a questionable start but taken on the whole I don't think their d1 would be particularly unusual from them as town

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:39 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

interesting

when he got that initial flurry of v reads i felt like people were clearing him too easily for stuff he could say as a wolf but then as he posted more and kept getting v read i was like “he’s probably fine actually”

he was the name i paused over the most when i was making my list and i couldn’t decide whether to put him in the second tier or the one below it

i think people are underestimating his range but he could still be a villager particularly if gavial is a wolf because his treatment of gav is bizarre as w/w imo

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

I thought it was weird they retracted their defense of gavial and called him scum

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

I thought it was weird they retracted their defense of gavial and called him scum

i squinted at that too but i don’t really get why he does it as a wolf

it doesn’t really make sense as w/w to go in hard defending a teammate that you know is going to be caught easily only to then limply wolf read them after they’re pretty much already dead

i could see it more as w/v though, i dunno

i think dizzy’s play this game is generally pretty bizarre

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:32 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:30 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:24 pm actually i changed my mind i'm opposed to killing kza solely on the grounds of "we should rly just kill gav"

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we’re killing gavial today, dw

like the play makes no sense from kza's perspective if he's partnered with gav
it's possible he's tmi-ing him town or it's possible he's town with a ??? take but i dont see what kza has to gain from his posts on gav if they are partnered

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:39 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

interesting

when he got that initial flurry of v reads i felt like people were clearing him too easily for stuff he could say as a wolf but then as he posted more and kept getting v read i was like “he’s probably fine actually”

he was the name i paused over the most when i was making my list and i couldn’t decide whether to put him in the second tier or the one below it

i think people are underestimating his range but he could still be a villager particularly if gavial is a wolf because his treatment of gav is bizarre as w/w imo

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:39 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:31 pmi'm really trying not to be too stubborn on dya and want to see them get more into things d2 but i just can't bring myself to feel good about any of their posts

how much experience do you have with dya? i thought they had a questionable start but taken on the whole I don't think their d1 would be particularly unusual from them as town

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:42 pm dizzy's treatment of gav is bizarre regardless of alignment

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:47 pm

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:42 pm dizzy's treatment of gav is bizarre regardless of alignment

hmm, yes, quite

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i wish gh was in this game so i could make a joke about us being in an f3 with him and whispering "america's team" to each other then snapping him before he can post

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

I thought it was weird they retracted their defense of gavial and called him scum

i squinted at that too but i don’t really get why he does it as a wolf

it doesn’t really make sense as w/w to go in hard defending a teammate that you know is going to be caught easily only to then limply wolf read them after they’re pretty much already dead

i could see it more as w/v though, i dunno

i think dizzy’s play this game is generally pretty bizarre

w/v in which direction?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:51 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

I thought it was weird they retracted their defense of gavial and called him scum

i squinted at that too but i don’t really get why he does it as a wolf

it doesn’t really make sense as w/w to go in hard defending a teammate that you know is going to be caught easily only to then limply wolf read them after they’re pretty much already dead

i could see it more as w/v though, i dunno

i think dizzy’s play this game is generally pretty bizarre

w/v in which direction?

either one i guess

could be w!dizzy white knighting v!gav for the lols and then going “ok, guess i’ll just mislunch him” when gav rolls over

or it could be v!dizzy white knighting w!gav to be contrarian and keep the thread from getting stale and then realizing that gav is probably just a wolf after he’s read more

the latter option seems more likely and is something i could see v!dizzy doing regardless of gavial’s alignment really

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:51 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:36 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:33 pm i retract my townread on dyslexicon

I thought it was weird they retracted their defense of gavial and called him scum

i squinted at that too but i don’t really get why he does it as a wolf

it doesn’t really make sense as w/w to go in hard defending a teammate that you know is going to be caught easily only to then limply wolf read them after they’re pretty much already dead

i could see it more as w/v though, i dunno

i think dizzy’s play this game is generally pretty bizarre

w/v in which direction?

either one i guess

could be w!dizzy white knighting v!gav for the lols and then going “ok, guess i’ll just mislunch him” when gav rolls over

or it could be v!dizzy white knighting w!gav to be contrarian and keep the thread from getting stale and then realizing that gav is probably just a wolf after he’s read more

the latter option seems more likely and is something i could see v!dizzy doing regardless of gavial’s alignment really

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:48 pm my current feeling about dizzy is that the majority of his posts in this game do not make very much sense to me. his perspective feels "off" and i think that it's dangerous for me to townread him based on the assumption that he would ~try~ to be townier as a wolf. i don't have any reasons to townread him that don't effectively boil down to WIFOM and conjecture, so it's not a townread that i stand by

(and yeah, it was weird that he said he no longer cared about whether or not we chop gavial since he was wolfreading gavial more, when his original reasoning for not chopping gavial had ~nothing~ to do with his own personal read on gavial. he was arguing that gavial was a bad chop even if he WAS mafia, so it doesn't make sense to me why dizzy changed his perspective on gavial upon finding him wolfier)

also, i'm trying to preserve my postcount, so if anyone has any questions/takes they wanna hear from me, ask me and ill respond whenever i post next

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm - I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm hi everyone

quick thoughts from catching up:

- re: @Vulgard 's question: yes, I do like her readlist, and it nudged me more towards considering her as town
- I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.
- if I'm wrong then I agree with whoever said that Gavial's treatment of Dya is exactly how he treats his partners.

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so is his treatment of Vulgard but I still feel that Vulgard is Just A Villager

- KZA feels like the exact player described in the "here's what's going to happen" copypasta when it talks about voting out someone in the "perceived lower half of skill level of the players in the game that had the most uninspired d1 by t0an and/or volume" (apart from the fact that probably we're voting Gavial). which is probably >rand wolf given that you all who know how to read each other seem to find each other decently villagery? but that's what his play reminds me of
- I've been mindmelding a fair amount with SPF's thoughts on this page, particularly w.r.t. Dizzy

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm
- I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.
- if I'm wrong then I agree with whoever said that Gavial's treatment of Dya is exactly how he treats his partners.

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:10 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm - I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.

oh?

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:23 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm
- I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.
- if I'm wrong then I agree with whoever said that Gavial's treatment of Dya is exactly how he treats his partners.

Can you talk about what seths wolf meta even is? Because the impression I got was the opposite from yours. I want to know how you'd define it

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:24 pm

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:10 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:06 pm - I personally find Gavial's approach this game to be closer to his town meta than his scum meta but I don't feel strongly enough about it to fight the yeet there, I just don't really expect it to be a hit. Weh.

oh?

I don't know how to explain it properly without being rude

I hate all of his posts in the way that I hate his posts when he's town rather than the way I hate his posts when he's wolf