The Syndicate

so Falcon is probably not anticop because if he was he wouldn't try to draw that flimsy connection between Mac and I

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:04 pm I mean we're not hammering because Marmot has to submit a target still, that's the entire reason

Oh right this is a thing

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:32 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:43 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Good luck everyone, I'll keep checking in if anyone has questions

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:48 pm This is easily worst case Ontario mech wise to actually have the first check be corrupted lol

I live in Ontario.

province of traitors!

no but seriously ISO Long Con if you want the most milquetoast reading experience of your life

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:18 pm Still, I would expect anticop to turn them into a godfather traitor?

this would probably point to the anticop being a mid/low range player content wise, one less likely to get checked early

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:18 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:40 pm I'd probably recommend brainstorming on who might target me as anti cop but that might be a fools errand

90% sure it would be 112

Reason? Also 112 was pretty fine with being exiled which apparently would roleblock them if they are anticop

Falcon's whole case on Mac is just a pile of NAI shit

and he's immediately trying to connect me to Mac on a preflip to chain elim 2 of the loudest thread voices

Aw man I'm not seeing KZA as caught traitor here

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:30 pm If KZA is wolf there's three left.

3v9.

Marmot's cleared.

Means that as long as we can find three more consensus town, peeked or not, the game is auto. Make a PoE of 8 that got all wolves and we win.

Creature is my strongest v read and Sparks and Wiml are looking good. Mac too I guess but he can stay in my PoE of 8.

prepare for 4v8 aswell

I'll go with a me, Sparks and Wiml townvore (besides Marmot the cop). Maybe Wisdom too. The rest can very well be traitor.

I would probably say Sparkles is not anticop since they'd be taking undue risk by not godfathering themself immediately

Cop:
Marmot

Dead or about to be dead:
cat
KZA

Probably not anticop:
MacDougall (volume)
MissSparkles (volume)
112 (allowed themselves to be exiled very easily)
falcon45ca (played it immediately like I'm gonna flip traitor)
Long Con (this one is a bit ehh, his response was kind of "awww shucks" but he still acted like I'm flipping traitor)
Creature (volume r)

Could be anti-cop:
Wisdom
KGMurphy
Gira
Poison
WimI
Auwt

discussion on this is encouraged

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:16 pm Aw man I'm not seeing KZA as caught traitor here

Yeah, I'm worried about it too. I think the best option here is always to kill KZA though. Give them time to leave a legacy if they want to though.

At least if they're town we know the day cop didn't self protect and that is probably something worth looking into given that it's absolutely essential for the wolves that the day cop doesn't die? It probably means that the day cop is deep or mechanically inexperienced.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:25 pm Cop:
Marmot

Dead or about to be dead:
cat
KZA

Probably not anticop:
MacDougall (volume)
MissSparkles (volume)
112 (allowed themselves to be exiled very easily)
falcon45ca (played it immediately like I'm gonna flip traitor)
Long Con (this one is a bit ehh, his response was kind of "awww shucks" but he still acted like I'm flipping traitor)
Creature (volume r)

Could be anti-cop:
Wisdom
KGMurphy
Gira
Poison
WimI
Auwt

discussion on this is encouraged

Doubtful that myself and probably the other more townread players on that list (Wisdom, Gira) could be day cop for the sole reason that a self protect + F3 win after everyone gets cop checked town would be the mechanically optimal outcome? I think both of those two names I mentioned would allow me to stay alive until F3 and I would have definitely voted with them and both are mech-interested players so I would be moderately surprised if that escaped them?

Yes I definitely need to die to confirm the world and so we all don't have to fight off tinfoil about me for the rest of the gam

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:29 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:25 pm Cop:
Marmot

Dead or about to be dead:
cat
KZA

Probably not anticop:
MacDougall (volume)
MissSparkles (volume)
112 (allowed themselves to be exiled very easily)
falcon45ca (played it immediately like I'm gonna flip traitor)
Long Con (this one is a bit ehh, his response was kind of "awww shucks" but he still acted like I'm flipping traitor)
Creature (volume r)

Could be anti-cop:
Wisdom
KGMurphy
Gira
Poison
WimI
Auwt

discussion on this is encouraged

Doubtful that myself and probably the other more townread players on that list (Wisdom, Gira) could be day cop for the sole reason that a self protect + F3 win after everyone gets cop checked town would be the mechanically optimal outcome? I think both of those two names I mentioned would allow me to stay alive until F3 and I would have definitely voted with them and both are mech-interested players so I would be moderately surprised if that escaped them?

yeah that's valid

so Auwt, Poison, KGMurphy seems like the most likely anticop pool

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:26 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:16 pm Aw man I'm not seeing KZA as caught traitor here

Yeah, I'm worried about it too. I think the best option here is always to kill KZA though. Give them time to leave a legacy if they want to though.

At least if they're town we know the day cop didn't self protect and that is probably something worth looking into given that it's absolutely essential for the wolves that the day cop doesn't die? It probably means that the day cop is deep or mechanically inexperienced.

In that case I'd say the cop was being widely townread D1

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:36 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:26 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:16 pm Aw man I'm not seeing KZA as caught traitor here

Yeah, I'm worried about it too. I think the best option here is always to kill KZA though. Give them time to leave a legacy if they want to though.

At least if they're town we know the day cop didn't self protect and that is probably something worth looking into given that it's absolutely essential for the wolves that the day cop doesn't die? It probably means that the day cop is deep or mechanically inexperienced.

In that case I'd say the cop was being widely townread D1

The anticop I mean

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:33 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:29 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:25 pm Cop:
Marmot

Dead or about to be dead:
cat
KZA

Probably not anticop:
MacDougall (volume)
MissSparkles (volume)
112 (allowed themselves to be exiled very easily)
falcon45ca (played it immediately like I'm gonna flip traitor)
Long Con (this one is a bit ehh, his response was kind of "awww shucks" but he still acted like I'm flipping traitor)
Creature (volume r)

Could be anti-cop:
Wisdom
KGMurphy
Gira
Poison
WimI
Auwt

discussion on this is encouraged

Doubtful that myself and probably the other more townread players on that list (Wisdom, Gira) could be day cop for the sole reason that a self protect + F3 win after everyone gets cop checked town would be the mechanically optimal outcome? I think both of those two names I mentioned would allow me to stay alive until F3 and I would have definitely voted with them and both are mech-interested players so I would be moderately surprised if that escaped them?

yeah that's valid

so Auwt, Poison, KGMurphy seems like the most likely anticop pool

The question is if they were paying enough attention to frame you. Out of these I'd say only Poison would figure you being pushed by 112 would make you an ideal frame target.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:26 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:16 pm Aw man I'm not seeing KZA as caught traitor here

Yeah, I'm worried about it too. I think the best option here is always to kill KZA though. Give them time to leave a legacy if they want to though.

At least if they're town we know the day cop didn't self protect and that is probably something worth looking into given that it's absolutely essential for the wolves that the day cop doesn't die? It probably means that the day cop is deep or mechanically inexperienced.

on the mechanically inexperienced side of things I believe KGMurphy is new to the game of Mafia

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:15 pm Falcon's whole case on Mac is just a pile of NAI shit

and he's immediately trying to connect me to Mac on a preflip to chain elim 2 of the loudest thread voices

Finally someone else says it.

It's a shame you're red checked.

I don't like cops.

Even if KZA is a wolf here they're posting really well and I know this is a bad thing to say but it's sad to see them be the obligatory elimination.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:01 pm I don't like cops.

Even if KZA is a wolf here they're posting really well and I know this is a bad thing to say but it's sad to see them be the obligatory elimination.

Dafuq?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:59 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:15 pm Falcon's whole case on Mac is just a pile of NAI shit

and he's immediately trying to connect me to Mac on a preflip to chain elim 2 of the loudest thread voices

Finally someone else says it.

Yeah, you guys are Traitor buds. Cool you were able to find each other, makes it easier for us to flip you. Flip you f'real

If KZA is traitor, lol us. But until the flip we assume worst case scenario and plan accordingly.

I’ll look at KZA’s legacy IF he actually flips town and that’s a big IF.

We can’t not flip KZA. That would be the dumbest move in exile island history.

I’d snuff my own torch.

I’ll go with my read and the cop result over paranoia and AtE

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:38 pm We can’t not flip KZA. That would be the dumbest move in exile island history.

I’d snuff my own torch.

Yes, we aren't doing anyone else. Still, if he was framed it would be better to discuss that while he's still alive. If he flips traitor nothing is lost except the extra dayphase time.

I'm paranoid of Gira btw

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:39 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:38 pm We can’t not flip KZA. That would be the dumbest move in exile island history.

I’d snuff my own torch.

Yes, we aren't doing anyone else. Still, if he was framed it would be better to discuss that while he's still alive. If he flips traitor nothing is lost except the extra dayphase time.

Of course, discuss it, i’m just so positive he’s traitor I can’t get in that mindset that maybe he’s not so it’s better I just say my peace and not be involved in it. I’ll look at the legacy IF I’m wrong. Till then imma chill.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:40 pm I'm paranoid of Gira btw

Why?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:40 pm I'm paranoid of Gira btw

Would you be able to expand on this please?

Yeah outside of very exceptional circumstances (like very late game where it's statistically probable a player was framed or a vote that decides the game or something) I think we alnost always just have to kill red peeks.

No pressure, Marmot!

He’s been talking sense all game, i’ll allow the attempt at testong the waves on my townyness cause someone probably should at some point, not like he’s actually coming at me with HOT GARBAGE. Just open to the idea i’m not town so that along with his strategy makes me pretty comfortable calling him town.

Moreso for coming up with the strategy.

Also suggestion to Marmy, be bold and go super random with your target so anti day cop can’t possibly guess cause ai feel lije KZA might’ve been obvious considering he was the day 1 CW so go bolder.

The fact it was kinda a good but obvi choice gives me slight pause but eh we’re probably okay

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:43 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:40 pm I'm paranoid of Gira btw

Would you be able to expand on this please?

idk, I felt like 112 and Gira could be traitors who were doing the enough to be decently townread and I don't remember them seeming incoherent like town usually would.

I agree cop must go semi-random as KZA felt like a good frame target for anticop.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:49 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:43 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:40 pm I'm paranoid of Gira btw

Would you be able to expand on this please?

idk, I felt like 112 and Gira could be traitors who were doing the enough to be decently townread and I don't remember them seeming incoherent like town usually would.

Appreciated!

Please nobody go too far towards suggesting cop targets because everything we say / agree on just gives the wolf framer more info to try to predict who Marmot picks.

I'm trusting Marm to be capable here.

Yeah, not sure how I feel about continuing the dayphase. Still go semi-random imo

My thoughts are just to wait until Marm comes back and confirms he has submitted an action + KZA says they have said everything they want to say.

Marmot should have until deadline to submit an action. I don't think I'm up to end the day prematurely.

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:56 pm My thoughts are just to wait until Marm comes back and confirms he has submitted an action + KZA says they have said everything they want to say.

don't need to wait up for me, gonna be busy tonight and probably asleep for EOD

just kill Falcon is my legacy

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:53 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:49 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:43 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:40 pm I'm paranoid of Gira btw

Would you be able to expand on this please?

idk, I felt like 112 and Gira could be traitors who were doing the enough to be decently townread and I don't remember them seeming incoherent like town usually would.

Appreciated!

Please nobody go too far towards suggesting cop targets because everything we say / agree on just gives the wolf framer more info to try to predict who Marmot picks.

I'm trusting Marm to be capable here.

I get u here, but i’m not suggesting targets, just a strategy cause if KZA flips town then the anti cop knows what they’re doing so be bold and go with your gut not your head.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 5:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:59 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:15 pm Falcon's whole case on Mac is just a pile of NAI shit

and he's immediately trying to connect me to Mac on a preflip to chain elim 2 of the loudest thread voices

Finally someone else says it.

Yeah, you guys are Traitor buds. Cool you were able to find each other, makes it easier for us to flip you. Flip you f'real

There is no function for traitors to find each other and the more you push this line the more I just want to bury you.

And for that reasons KZA's Falcon read should 100% be sheeped/trusted regardless of his flip.

Oh sweet KZA spewed himself town.

I lied about who I rechecked. It was actually falcon, not KZA. Falcon is the traitor here.

Ya'll were right about falcon though. I didn't think he was going to be as unanimously scumread when I peeked him though.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:34 pm Oh sweet KZA spewed himself town.

I lied about who I rechecked. It was actually falcon, not KZA. Falcon is the traitor here.

Sweet

Feeling a lot better about this now