The Syndicate

Game is hard man... I think Alison could be mafia and if this is a miss I will probably just plant my vote on her in f5.

might even if it's a hit tbh

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:52 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:10 pm Yeah, going thru Creatures ISO again, and I'm fine with their flip.


Creature/Alison chuck wagon races? Let's do it

I think NAA/Seanzie might have more equity than Creature at this point. How do you feel about them?

I'm not used to seeing this amount of solve in NAAs scum game. I don't like relying on meta, outside the amount of effort he's putting in, there's also an earnestness to his posts. He's a deepwolf suspect, but I'm not gonna go down that rabbit hole at this point


Sean I'm less sure about. I can see a world where he's scum for sure

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:47 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:31 pm Alison's gone quiet

Yeah, I had a busy day yesterday, then went to a medical appointment that dragged on for hours, came home, and crashed. I'm around now, if you have anything specific you'd like to talk to me about.

Hope you're feeling OK!


How do do you read this game if both NAA & Sean are town?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:15 pm I actually was thinking about this game 15 mins ago when I was getting my coffee and had a thought that the LC kill doesn't make sense for Alison to make because LC wasn't an Alison voter and also because LC isn't an Alison threat, but maybe I'm tripping.

@Alison have you ever night oned Lime Coke before?

I N1ed him in BTAS. iirc it was just for being obvious town and not because of any particular threat though.

This is a categorical falsehood, the motivating factor was his reads (that were bad at the time) and that he was perceived as a strong player who could reevaluate. I argued keeping him.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:24 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.

You're right, I would kill Lime Coke if I were mafia in this situation. I think it's in everyone's best interest to kill Lime Coke at night in this situation because there's a very high probability that he enters the day being confirmed town. Also, killing Lime Coke closes the door to some discussions over what happened yesterday.

Though, playing devil's advocate to my own argument, if my goal is to get Alison killed, Lime Coke could reasonably be turned in that direction after the Fext flip + it's unclear what I would assume about Alison's read on Lime Coke, is it solid, or is it fabricated?

ALSO, I don't push Alison if I'm mafia. Or at the very least, I don't consider pushing Alison to be a good idea for mafia... Every play is correct some % of the time.

I was a top wagon yesterday and I'm a top wagon today. I am objectively an easy push for mafia. You don't need LC around to do that, and the same goes for your assertion that you don't push me when you're mafia because I'm a hard person to exe or whatever.

If you were an easy kill you would have died yesterday. Fext was literally inno child.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:24 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.

You're right, I would kill Lime Coke if I were mafia in this situation. I think it's in everyone's best interest to kill Lime Coke at night in this situation because there's a very high probability that he enters the day being confirmed town. Also, killing Lime Coke closes the door to some discussions over what happened yesterday.

Though, playing devil's advocate to my own argument, if my goal is to get Alison killed, Lime Coke could reasonably be turned in that direction after the Fext flip + it's unclear what I would assume about Alison's read on Lime Coke, is it solid, or is it fabricated?

ALSO, I don't push Alison if I'm mafia. Or at the very least, I don't consider pushing Alison to be a good idea for mafia... Every play is correct some % of the time.

I was a top wagon yesterday and I'm a top wagon today. I am objectively an easy push for mafia. You don't need LC around to do that, and the same goes for your assertion that you don't push me when you're mafia because I'm a hard person to exe or whatever.

If you were an easy kill you would have died yesterday. Fext was literally inno child.

Alison is never an easy push in my experience

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:17 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:24 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.

You're right, I would kill Lime Coke if I were mafia in this situation. I think it's in everyone's best interest to kill Lime Coke at night in this situation because there's a very high probability that he enters the day being confirmed town. Also, killing Lime Coke closes the door to some discussions over what happened yesterday.

Though, playing devil's advocate to my own argument, if my goal is to get Alison killed, Lime Coke could reasonably be turned in that direction after the Fext flip + it's unclear what I would assume about Alison's read on Lime Coke, is it solid, or is it fabricated?

ALSO, I don't push Alison if I'm mafia. Or at the very least, I don't consider pushing Alison to be a good idea for mafia... Every play is correct some % of the time.

I was a top wagon yesterday and I'm a top wagon today. I am objectively an easy push for mafia. You don't need LC around to do that, and the same goes for your assertion that you don't push me when you're mafia because I'm a hard person to exe or whatever.

If you were an easy kill you would have died yesterday. Fext was literally inno child.

Alison is never an easy push in my experience

Yeah, this is my point, she's straight up lying... All I see are 10 empty posts that don't give ANY additional context on the game, on her actions, and don't address any of the concerns that were voiced in the thread. She's just anti-spew at this point.

I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Because Alison/Mac are scum, or is there something towny you're seeing that I'm not?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Yes.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:52 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Because Alison/Mac are scum, or is there something towny you're seeing that I'm not?

It's based on the fact that at least one of Alison/Mac/Seanzie are scum. All of them have worked pretty hard to improve their position in the game at some point today (I would expect less of anyone who's partnered with Creature due to their play). Though, maybe more importantly, every single one of them is content with the status quo on Creature.

Let's say I'm wrong on all of Alison/Mac/Seanzie, which we both agree is unlikely. You're willing to kill Creature, and DrWilgy exclusively wants to kill creature.

Like... There's gotta be something to this yeah? - The other motivating factor is that I think Alison is the most likely to flip mafia in the entire game... Why does she give 0 fucks about Creature? If Alison is Mafia, she's pushing to clear me, and no one else and she's giving enough plausible deniability for her interactions with Seanzie to at once be potential spew & potential distancing.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:54 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Yes.

It's a bad take because you think he's mafia, or because you don't think there's any reason to read him and you resent how he's playing the game?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:54 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Yes.

It's a bad take because you think he's mafia, or because you don't think there's any reason to read him and you resent how he's playing the game?

I'll take number 2 partner.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:17 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:54 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Yes.

It's a bad take because you think he's mafia, or because you don't think there's any reason to read him and you resent how he's playing the game?

I'll take number 2 partner.

Ok, but can we kill Alison first?

Currently, Alison is still in self-preservation territory.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:17 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:54 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Yes.

It's a bad take because you think he's mafia, or because you don't think there's any reason to read him and you resent how he's playing the game?

I'll take number 2 partner.

Ok, but can we kill Alison first?

No.

I reckon I appreciate your tenacity towards the want to yeet your reads, but I'm not waltzin into f5 with a blind spot.

@Creature Vote Alison, you are opening the game up to a self-preservation vote with your current target. Even if you're right, you'll likely die with the current votes.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:24 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:17 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:54 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Yes.

It's a bad take because you think he's mafia, or because you don't think there's any reason to read him and you resent how he's playing the game?

I'll take number 2 partner.

Ok, but can we kill Alison first?

No.

I reckon I appreciate your tenacity towards the want to yeet your reads, but I'm not waltzin into f5 with a blind spot.

You understand with the current votes, a towny is dying at EOD right? votes will move just enough for it to happen.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:37 am @Creature where are you at?

@Seanzie your worldview is borked if you are town. What can we do to resolve this because I feel like you just keep talking past me and all of your points are just definition tunneling nonsense.

What is borked?

I feel fine about Falcon, don't know how to read Wilgy but have gotten no bad vibes and everyone is strongtownreading them, so fine with them. NAA has surprisingly been one of my stronger townleans, and outside of some tinfoil that they've been purposefully trying to pocket me, I feel like they're just town here. Creature is a whole bunch of meh, but that is NAI for them, and if I'm wrong about one of you or Alison, there is time to chop them still. What is wrong with this plan? If you want me to not think you're a good chop, you'll have to convince me there is a wolf in Falcon/Wilgy/NAA.

You and Alison both have strongly pinged me. The way that the thread went dead D1 after I hardpushed Fext and after you started townreading Fext but backed off of actually doing anything about townreading Fext is strongly indicative of the louder town-leader types being wolf. Guess who are louder town-leader types? You and Alison. D1 I had to like hardshove the thread into doing anything after Fext became a wagon, and your excuse was that you were sleeping... but also got busy? But also it was like 24 hours from when you started townreading Fext until their flip and you did a whole bunch of MEH. Not sure you would have even posted again if I wasn't pressing people for content around Fext.

Then D2 the thread started pushing for Alison early, and you came in like a sad puppy, and honestly I only see why you'd feel like that if something about your expectations were not strongly met. My guess is that you expected the townies to be trying to bury me since I buried Fext. But like... the way I went at Fext is very clearly not wolfy, and even you know it, you've stated scumreads on me, but I just don't feel like you believe it at all. As you once told me in the first game I wolfed against you, you're pushes on me have felt like you're trying to hump me with a flacid ween (idr exactly what you said, but close enough).

And even though you've voiced scumreads on Alison, all your actions have been to try to get not-Alison into the spotlight. Also, the way you perked up after she showed up early D2 really makes me think you got re-energized by a partner being there and then you and Alison both tried to take me on, and NAA had a good point that you and Alison didn't care about what eachother were saying, only trying to attack me... at least until NAA pointed that out;)

Then your posting in your "catch-up" is really really wolfy IMO. Like man... you aren't giving thoughts. You say it is the "opposite of performative", but how else am I supposed to interpret your posts? It looks like you are quoting posts as like a certificate, saying "hey thread, look at this! look at what I looked at! Do you see that I looked at this? I'm quoting it and going "hmm" so I must be thinking about it!". I don't buy it. Sorry dude.

I will continue to look at the thread and if I see something that changes my mind, I'll let you know, but unless that happens, the only way you're getting rid of me is to either miselim me or NK me.

*pokes thread with a stick*

The fact that 4 people are off on vanity wagons, w/ several of them being POE is less than ideal

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:07 pm The fact that 4 people are off on vanity wagons, w/ several of them being POE is less than ideal

agreed.

@Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:19 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:52 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:10 pm Yeah, going thru Creatures ISO again, and I'm fine with their flip.


Creature/Alison chuck wagon races? Let's do it

I think NAA/Seanzie might have more equity than Creature at this point. How do you feel about them?

I'm not used to seeing this amount of solve in NAAs scum game. I don't like relying on meta, outside the amount of effort he's putting in, there's also an earnestness to his posts. He's a deepwolf suspect, but I'm not gonna go down that rabbit hole at this point


Sean I'm less sure about. I can see a world where he's scum for sure

I think Sean is scum.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

Care to move onto him with me?

I am blatantly not scum with Seanzie, not scum with NAA and not scum with Creature. Falcon voted for me yesterday when I could have gone over so I am not scum with him either. You are locked into exactly worlds of me being with exactly Mac or exactly Wilgy if you want to vote me. Everyone is townreading Wilgy, so I don't think anyone suspects that world. Either you think it's me/Mac or you get off me. Simple as that.

@falcon45ca See analysis above, since I see that you townread Mac.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:24 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:47 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:31 pm Alison's gone quiet

Yeah, I had a busy day yesterday, then went to a medical appointment that dragged on for hours, came home, and crashed. I'm around now, if you have anything specific you'd like to talk to me about.

Hope you're feeling OK!


How do do you read this game if both NAA & Sean are town?

I'd be extremely surprised.

In a world where they both reveal as IC right now, I'd just park on Mac/Wilgy I think.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:12 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:45 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:15 pm I actually was thinking about this game 15 mins ago when I was getting my coffee and had a thought that the LC kill doesn't make sense for Alison to make because LC wasn't an Alison voter and also because LC isn't an Alison threat, but maybe I'm tripping.

@Alison have you ever night oned Lime Coke before?

I N1ed him in BTAS. iirc it was just for being obvious town and not because of any particular threat though.

This is a categorical falsehood, the motivating factor was his reads (that were bad at the time) and that he was perceived as a strong player who could reevaluate. I argued keeping him.

That's not how I remember it, but say this is true...

LC defended Fext D1 and was a widely suspected player who didn't have enough thread clout to defend his biggest townread.

The circumstances are still very different from when I killed LC in BTAS.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 10:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:24 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.

You're right, I would kill Lime Coke if I were mafia in this situation. I think it's in everyone's best interest to kill Lime Coke at night in this situation because there's a very high probability that he enters the day being confirmed town. Also, killing Lime Coke closes the door to some discussions over what happened yesterday.

Though, playing devil's advocate to my own argument, if my goal is to get Alison killed, Lime Coke could reasonably be turned in that direction after the Fext flip + it's unclear what I would assume about Alison's read on Lime Coke, is it solid, or is it fabricated?

ALSO, I don't push Alison if I'm mafia. Or at the very least, I don't consider pushing Alison to be a good idea for mafia... Every play is correct some % of the time.

I was a top wagon yesterday and I'm a top wagon today. I am objectively an easy push for mafia. You don't need LC around to do that, and the same goes for your assertion that you don't push me when you're mafia because I'm a hard person to exe or whatever.

If you were an easy kill you would have died yesterday. Fext was literally inno child.

5 people were on Fext, and they can't all be mafia. Clearly the town did not see him as an inno child, so arguing that I am really hard to kill because he was voted out over me doesn't mean much. The wagon on me sprung up at EOD, where I wasn't around to defend myself, so it wasn't like I was talking my way out of the noose. Where does this "Alison must be a ridiculously hard person to exe" rhetoric come from?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:24 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:17 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:54 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:00 am I actually think Creature is town (is this a bad take?)

Yes.

It's a bad take because you think he's mafia, or because you don't think there's any reason to read him and you resent how he's playing the game?

I'll take number 2 partner.

Ok, but can we kill Alison first?

No.

I reckon I appreciate your tenacity towards the want to yeet your reads, but I'm not waltzin into f5 with a blind spot.

I want to kill both NAA and Seanzie more than Creature. Are you willing to switch to Seanzie?

Do Alison & Mac both vote Sean if they're wolves?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm @Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?

If I die, vote out NAA first. The two viable scum teams I see are NAA/Creature and NAA/Seanzie. NAA/Seanzie is my pick for most likely team, with Creature as a third suspect, but if I'm wrong about NAA/Seanzie, the way NAA tried to hardclear Creature at EOD makes me suspect NAA/Creature, and Seanzie could in theory just be a really obstinate/bad townie. The overlap between the two is NAA, so get rid of him first. In F3 you will probably have to decide between Creature and Seanzie. I'm leaning towards Seanzie right now just because he has been continuously full of shit for the past 24 hours and Creature would most likely have voted me if NAA/Creature is the team with an agenda to get me killed today. But read isos, re-evaluate and make up your own mind like you should be doing every F3. Don't ignore my reads, and don't ignore Fext's reads.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm @Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?

If I die, vote out NAA first. The two viable scum teams I see are NAA/Creature and NAA/Seanzie. NAA/Seanzie is my pick for most likely team, with Creature as a third suspect, but if I'm wrong about NAA/Seanzie, the way NAA tried to hardclear Creature at EOD makes me suspect NAA/Creature, and Seanzie could in theory just be a really obstinate/bad townie. The overlap between the two is NAA, so get rid of him first. In F3 you will probably have to decide between Creature and Seanzie. I'm leaning towards Seanzie right now just because he has been continuously full of shit for the past 24 hours and Creature would most likely have voted me if NAA/Creature is the team with an agenda to get me killed today. But read isos, re-evaluate and make up your own mind like you should be doing every F3. Don't ignore my reads, and don't ignore Fext's reads.

You don't want us to sheep you?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:09 pm Do Alison & Mac both vote Sean if they're wolves?

No. If me and Mac were scum, we could have voted out Creature. He isn't around to self pres, so we could just two stack on him and force a rand at best (3-3-1), or forcibly kill Creature if we convince you to hop on, which you have said you are open to. That is what I would do if I was a wolf, it is the mathematically optimal play and not one I'd deviate from.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:09 pm Do Alison & Mac both vote Sean if they're wolves?

No. If me and Mac were scum, we could have voted out Creature. He isn't around to self pres, so we could just two stack on him and force a rand at best (3-3-1), or forcibly kill Creature if we convince you to hop on, which you have said you are open to. That is what I would do if I was a wolf, it is the mathematically optimal play and not one I'd deviate from.

You wouldn't try to get Falcon to move onto me to save you?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm @Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?

If I die, vote out NAA first. The two viable scum teams I see are NAA/Creature and NAA/Seanzie. NAA/Seanzie is my pick for most likely team, with Creature as a third suspect, but if I'm wrong about NAA/Seanzie, the way NAA tried to hardclear Creature at EOD makes me suspect NAA/Creature, and Seanzie could in theory just be a really obstinate/bad townie. The overlap between the two is NAA, so get rid of him first. In F3 you will probably have to decide between Creature and Seanzie. I'm leaning towards Seanzie right now just because he has been continuously full of shit for the past 24 hours and Creature would most likely have voted me if NAA/Creature is the team with an agenda to get me killed today. But read isos, re-evaluate and make up your own mind like you should be doing every F3. Don't ignore my reads, and don't ignore Fext's reads.

You don't want us to sheep you?

I gave detailed instructions for handling endgame, dictated the next day's exe, and confined the F3 vote to two candidates. I finished by saying "don't ignore the reads of dead townies". What part of that suggests that I don't want people to sheep me?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:14 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:09 pm Do Alison & Mac both vote Sean if they're wolves?

No. If me and Mac were scum, we could have voted out Creature. He isn't around to self pres, so we could just two stack on him and force a rand at best (3-3-1), or forcibly kill Creature if we convince you to hop on, which you have said you are open to. That is what I would do if I was a wolf, it is the mathematically optimal play and not one I'd deviate from.

You wouldn't try to get Falcon to move onto me to save you?

Much easier to get Falcon to move onto Creature, and Wilgy is policy voting Creature as well. He would be a much easier misexe in a Mac/Alison scum world. I am voting you because I think you are more likely to be mafia than Creature, and I think Mac is right. In the case that I don't get a move from Falcon/Wilgy and go over I have the legacy plan detailed above to give town a decent chance at winning if they follow it.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:09 pm Do Alison & Mac both vote Sean if they're wolves?

No. If me and Mac were scum, we could have voted out Creature. He isn't around to self pres, so we could just two stack on him and force a rand at best (3-3-1), or forcibly kill Creature if we convince you to hop on, which you have said you are open to. That is what I would do if I was a wolf, it is the mathematically optimal play and not one I'd deviate from.

Also if you did want to go for a tie and in the 50% chance you lose, you and Mac are like... almost completely outed and Creature would be spewed town, so you'd go for 50-50 odds of a near insta-loss over chances of getting someone to move onto me, chopping your worst enemy, and protecting Mac's positioning in thread?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm @Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?

If I die, vote out NAA first. The two viable scum teams I see are NAA/Creature and NAA/Seanzie. NAA/Seanzie is my pick for most likely team, with Creature as a third suspect, but if I'm wrong about NAA/Seanzie, the way NAA tried to hardclear Creature at EOD makes me suspect NAA/Creature, and Seanzie could in theory just be a really obstinate/bad townie. The overlap between the two is NAA, so get rid of him first. In F3 you will probably have to decide between Creature and Seanzie. I'm leaning towards Seanzie right now just because he has been continuously full of shit for the past 24 hours and Creature would most likely have voted me if NAA/Creature is the team with an agenda to get me killed today. But read isos, re-evaluate and make up your own mind like you should be doing every F3. Don't ignore my reads, and don't ignore Fext's reads.

You don't want us to sheep you?

I gave detailed instructions for handling endgame, dictated the next day's exe, and confined the F3 vote to two candidates. I finished by saying "don't ignore the reads of dead townies". What part of that suggests that I don't want people to sheep me?

Pretty much every time you've been about to die as town, you literally try to get people to commit to just blindly sheeping your reads.

"make up your own mind" does not sound like what you normally sound like when you're about to die.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:16 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:13 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:09 pm Do Alison & Mac both vote Sean if they're wolves?

No. If me and Mac were scum, we could have voted out Creature. He isn't around to self pres, so we could just two stack on him and force a rand at best (3-3-1), or forcibly kill Creature if we convince you to hop on, which you have said you are open to. That is what I would do if I was a wolf, it is the mathematically optimal play and not one I'd deviate from.

Also if you did want to go for a tie and in the 50% chance you lose, you and Mac are like... almost completely outed and Creature would be spewed town, so you'd go for 50-50 odds of a near insta-loss over chances of getting someone to move onto me, chopping your worst enemy, and protecting Mac's positioning in thread?

In a world where me and Mac are scum, you flipping town would be far more outing for us than Creature flipping town, given that you've been harshly at odds with us all day and are dying with a strong legacy of both me and Mac being lock scum. If you are as obviously unimpeachable town as you say, then why're you arguing that the scum team would pick a fight with you (who strongly townreads them) over the afk LHF that isn't even around to protect himself?

I think you're trying to bait me into moving back on Creature so my legacy has less bite. In fact, if the team is you and NAA you definitely want Creature to go over because the game is loss if he flips V.

So no, I'm not buying your logic.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:18 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm @Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?

If I die, vote out NAA first. The two viable scum teams I see are NAA/Creature and NAA/Seanzie. NAA/Seanzie is my pick for most likely team, with Creature as a third suspect, but if I'm wrong about NAA/Seanzie, the way NAA tried to hardclear Creature at EOD makes me suspect NAA/Creature, and Seanzie could in theory just be a really obstinate/bad townie. The overlap between the two is NAA, so get rid of him first. In F3 you will probably have to decide between Creature and Seanzie. I'm leaning towards Seanzie right now just because he has been continuously full of shit for the past 24 hours and Creature would most likely have voted me if NAA/Creature is the team with an agenda to get me killed today. But read isos, re-evaluate and make up your own mind like you should be doing every F3. Don't ignore my reads, and don't ignore Fext's reads.

You don't want us to sheep you?

I gave detailed instructions for handling endgame, dictated the next day's exe, and confined the F3 vote to two candidates. I finished by saying "don't ignore the reads of dead townies". What part of that suggests that I don't want people to sheep me?

Pretty much every time you've been about to die as town, you literally try to get people to commit to just blindly sheeping your reads.

"make up your own mind" does not sound like what you normally sound like when you're about to die.

1) It is not true that I always try to get people to commit to blindly sheeping my reads when I die as town.

2) In this case I am in fact trying to get people to sheep my reads, as evidenced by the fact that I posted a paragraph with explicit instructions for the next two day phases.

3) I am on record as saying that you should always re-eval in F3 as town because you have been put there by mafia members for a reason. Saying "make up your own mind, re-eval" to reinforce that, after already narrowing the F3 pool down to two candidates, is not exactly rescinding my request for people to follow my legacy.

I am currently between classes and waiting for my next class to begin; it will begin shortly. If there isn't much going on I'll alt tab to check in, but if it requires my attention then I have a policy of putting real life before mafia. @falcon45ca @DrWilgy if you two have questions for me, or want to talk to me, now's the time. I am requesting that one and ideally both of you put your vote on Seanzie. Thanks.

Should I post my legacy?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:29 pm Should I post my legacy?

You do you. If you think you're likely to get NK'd, go ahead.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:34 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:29 pm Should I post my legacy?

You do you. If you think you're likely to get NK'd, go ahead.

I don't think the last mafia will go into F5 with an inno child, so I'll prepare my legacy and see how the votes are doing at EoD.

Aw shit it's 20 minutes left

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:39 pm Aw shit it's 20 minutes left

Can you move to Alison?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:39 pm Aw shit it's 20 minutes left

Oh, you're here. Vote Seanzie, please.

Jesus I don't want to screw up again

We might all just be wrong and it's Wilgy and falcon