The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: But then this is pretty SOP for me, I always take more flak when I am a civil because I say more crap since I don't have a filter, and because no one is relying on me.

I might actually vote for someone else next time depending on what happens overnight. There was a huge overt case of target painting further up there that totally flabbergasted me, I actually gasped out loud when I read it.

Russtifinko wrote:

FZ. wrote:I'm sorry. I fell asleep on my lap top . I can't believe I didn't vote. I was planning on voting jj, but now I'm kind of glad I didn't, because Russ' words made me feel bad about it. Russ, if you're jj's sister, you're going down But OK. So how do you suggest we deal with jj? Like I said, everything is tainted now. Does the fact he wanted to be lynched mean nothing to you? Would you not expect a civ to tell us they are not a sister?

So again, no lynch? This is happening too much. No night kills, no lynches going through. What's the point in playing, LOL. This never happens so much where I play.

As for the reasons for the vote not going through, whoever said it was a tie, that would still mean a lynch, just randomized. Unless you meant that the other person could survive a lynch. I need to check who that was.
I doubt only civs could survive a lynch, because that would make it too obvious to figure out they are civs.
I can see it as sort of a punishment if what Ello did was real.
I find it weird that none of you know if it's the sort of thing Ello would do or not. If she's ever done that before.

Now to the other players. What do people think aboutLizzie? She seems to be very, and I mean very sure about jj. She's also very suspicious of SVS. There's an interesting thing going between them. Lizzie is suspicious of SVS and sure jj is a civ. SVS is sure jj is a baddie and is not disturbed at all by the fact Lizzie thinks he's a civ or by the fact she thinks she's bad. If it was just the latter, I'd understand, but the combination of the two is just really strange to me. I was getting civ vibes from SVS lately, but this is too strange.
What do you think about that?

And how is Dom back?
I would say Russ, Lizzie and jj being the sisters would be too obvious, but with how you people play the game, I don't know anymore.

Welcome back, Dom! I'll be glad to hear from you, I was enjoying having you around earlier in the game.

I've stated my reasons for not voting JJ, over and over at this point. I've also stated that no one has made a thread-based case on him, and that if and only if that happens I will be willing to consider voting him. Anything else isn't playing the game right. If that makes you think I'm bad, so be it.

Like Lizzie said, I've seen civs self-vote out of frustration TONS of times on this site. I've never ever seen a baddie do it, because they feel responsible to their teammates. As for the fact that he hasn't said Elo was lying, I honestly don't know. It is his first game ever, so he almost certainly doesn't know that's protocol. And if he did say so, what difference does it make? Denying something has no effect on its truth at all, logically speaking. So no, neither of the facts you mentioned change my opinion of him, or of what we should do. You want to suspect me for it, be my guest.

You're making an assumption based on games you've played before that doesn't apply here, FZ. Epi handles lynches in such a way that ties are no lynch, not a randomized one. That's unusual, I know, but it's how he plays it. As for there being no NKs, wtf?? Any civ should be glad when an NK doesn't go through, because it can only help us. And I think only one has been survived anyway, so if you are a frustrated baddie, you'll have plenty more chances.

Russtifinko wrote:So BWT and JJ, while you guys have both posted recently...What are your thoughts on...anything?

You could coment on things that have happened to you this game, pick a random (or nonrandom) player and give your opinion on them, comment on FZ's post about S~V~S and Lizzie...

I'd just love to hear from either of you in more than on line at a time about what's going on. We can use all the help we can get.

S~V~S wrote:FZ, I think that boo made a good case on John, and if I was not sure boo was bad, I would have voted for John based on it. I think I got on Lizzys nerves early in the game and she started seeing things that are not there about me. But then this is pretty SOP for me, I always take more flak when I am a civil because I say more crap since I don't have a filter, and because no one is relying on me.

I might actually vote for someone else next time depending on what happens overnight. There was a huge overt case of target painting further up there that totally flabbergasted me, I actually gasped out loud when I read it.

johns2jj wrote:How am I still alive? Who had the power to prevent a lynch?

Mongoose wrote:what if it WAS a tie. Tim Robbins gets the power of three votes, so if Tim Robbins voted for SVS, that would have tied the vote, since Sockface's vote didn't count.

Lizzy wrote:although I've seen SVS throw her teammates under the bus when it was very convenient for her personally k.

S~V~S wrote:I just quickie looked in in the HOF, and the only big game here that may have happened was Grimm, and i tried hard to keep my whole team alive in that one. I was a civvie in most of the speed games that i could see, or otherwise had no teammates.

There was Supernatural at RM, but there was no hard throwing there either. I did not draw suspicion on anyone on my team, as i totally HATE when people do that, which anyone who has had BTS with me knows (other than in Survivor, or similar LMS games) and only vote for them when they are already going down.

This would cover our game playing history, and i don't see where you might have seen me do that.

Mongoose wrote:

johns2jj wrote:How am I still alive? Who had the power to prevent a lynch?

J2JJ: The following is my theory on how you survived.

Mongoose wrote:what if it WAS a tie. Tim Robbins gets the power of three votes, so if Tim Robbins voted for SVS, that would have tied the vote, since Sockface's vote didn't count.

Thus the would have been tied 4:4

Sorsha wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

johns2jj wrote:How am I still alive? Who had the power to prevent a lynch?

J2JJ: The following is my theory on how you survived.

Mongoose wrote:what if it WAS a tie. Tim Robbins gets the power of three votes, so if Tim Robbins voted for SVS, that would have tied the vote, since Sockface's vote didn't count.

rew
Thus the would have been tied 4:4

Why do you think pointing this out (twice now) is a good idea Mongoose?

Mongoose wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

johns2jj wrote:How am I still alive? Who had the power to prevent a lynch?

J2JJ: The following is my theory on how you survived.

Mongoose wrote:what if it WAS a tie. Tim Robbins gets the power of three votes, so if Tim Robbins voted for SVS, that would have tied the vote, since Sockface's vote didn't count.

rew
Thus the would have been tied 4:4

Why do you think pointing this out (twice now) is a good idea Mongoose?

Because J2JJ seemed like he maybe had not read my post, that's all.

FZ. wrote:Dead, ha? I guess I'm done here then. Nice playing with you all

Sorsha wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Mongoose wrote:

johns2jj wrote:How am I still alive? Who had the power to prevent a lynch?

J2JJ: The following is my theory on how you survived.

Mongoose wrote:what if it WAS a tie. Tim Robbins gets the power of three votes, so if Tim Robbins voted for SVS, that would have tied the vote, since Sockface's vote didn't count.

rew
Thus the would have been tied 4:4

Why do you think pointing this out (twice now) is a good idea Mongoose?

Because J2JJ seemed like he maybe had not read my post, that's all.

Lol... Ok so you were just making sure that everyone was clear about who might possibly be an important civvie role. Got it.

Mister Rearranger wrote:So um...what happened to the Mongoose and Bullz susps? Did I miss something?

FZ. wrote:Dead, ha? I guess I'm done here then. Nice playing with you all

Mongoose wrote:Checking in. Reconsidering JJ and the usual suspects.

S~V~S wrote:

FZ. wrote: Pfft, been there done that
I'm willing to give both you and MP the BOTD for a little while because sometimes RL gets in the way...Besides, there are people who posted even less than you, like reywaS and A person, and I'm also sure that even if one of you two (you and MP) is a baddie, there are more. So consider this me backing off, though I can't promise for how long.

Interesting that you are willing to extend this courtesy to these two, but i doubt you will extend it to John. I am not, where there is smoke there is fire, and boo is an astute guy, and he really wanted to lynch sisters.

Epignosis wrote:Dom has been brought back. He cannot be killed on Night 7 nor lynched on Day 8.

FZ. wrote:I'm sorry. I fell asleep on my lap top . I can't believe I didn't vote. I was planning on voting jj, but now I'm kind of glad I didn't, because Russ' words made me feel bad about it. Russ, if you're jj's sister, you're going down But OK. So how do you suggest we deal with jj? Like I said, everything is tainted now. Does the fact he wanted to be lynched mean nothing to you? Would you not expect a civ to tell us they are not a sister?

So again, no lynch? This is happening too much. No night kills, no lynches going through. What's the point in playing, LOL. This never happens so much where I play.

As for the reasons for the vote not going through, whoever said it was a tie, that would still mean a lynch, just randomized. Unless you meant that the other person could survive a lynch. I need to check who that was.
I doubt only civs could survive a lynch, because that would make it too obvious to figure out they are civs.
I can see it as sort of a punishment if what Ello did was real.
I find it weird that none of you know if it's the sort of thing Ello would do or not. If she's ever done that before.

Now to the other players. What do people think aboutLizzie? She seems to be very, and I mean very sure about jj. She's also very suspicious of SVS. There's an interesting thing going between them. Lizzie is suspicious of SVS and sure jj is a civ. SVS is sure jj is a baddie and is not disturbed at all by the fact Lizzie thinks he's a civ or by the fact she thinks she's bad. If it was just the latter, I'd understand, but the combination of the two is just really strange to me. I was getting civ vibes from SVS lately, but this is too strange.
What do you think about that?

And how is Dom back?
I would say Russ, Lizzie and jj being the sisters would be too obvious, but with how you people play the game, I don't know anymore.

Russtifinko wrote:I will also submit that I still think BWT bears considering for today's lynch. I feel fairly good about S~V~S and I'm not convinced about JJSJSJJSJSSJJJSJS, but BWT survived an NK, and the way I see it there are only 2 possible ways that could have happened. He also is actively refusing to participate, whereas S~V~S nabbed us our first baddie.

Russtifinko wrote:I will also submit that I still think BWT bears considering for today's lynch. I feel fairly good about S~V~S and I'm not convinced about JJSJSJJSJSSJJJSJS, but BWT survived an NK, and the way I see it there are only 2 possible ways that could have happened. He also is actively refusing to participate, whereas S~V~S nabbed us our first baddie.

I'll likely look his way today. I would love to at least talk about him with some people, even if you won't vote him, just to make sure I'm not in la-la land with this.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yeah, I haven't been participatory in either game I'm in right now on TS. I just haven't been able to mentally get into either one, no matter how hard I try. I don't blame anyone who looks at me as suspicious today and decides to vote for me. God knows I've deserved it.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yeah, I haven't been participatory in either game I'm in right now on TS. I just haven't been able to mentally get into either one, no matter how hard I try. I don't blame anyone who looks at me as suspicious today and decides to vote for me. God knows I've deserved it.

Sorsha wrote: Who make the case on bullz? I don't recall it. I can look for it later if someone remembers who did the case. Unless someone just wants to give me the main points of interest from it, that'd be great.

Russtifinko wrote:I will also submit that I still think BWT bears considering for today's lynch. I feel fairly good about S~V~S and I'm not convinced about JJSJSJJSJSSJJJSJS, but BWT survived an NK, and the way I see it there are only 2 possible ways that could have happened. He also is actively refusing to participate, whereas S~V~S nabbed us our first baddie.

Sorsha wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yeah, I haven't been participatory in either game I'm in right now on TS. I just haven't been able to mentally get into either one, no matter how hard I try. I don't blame anyone who looks at me as suspicious today and decides to vote for me. God knows I've deserved it.

Are you bad?

S~V~S wrote: whatever works for you, she might be bad, but this game will teach you you have zero clue about me. Sorry i offended you with my Day One vote, it is what it is.

So is this~

Just an FYI~ Last night I took a fall down a set of stairs (alcohol not involved , laundry WAS involved). I am OK, just a twisted (sore, swollen) knee, BUT I spent quality time in the er last night, and now I have to go to work (out of sick days, our work year ends of the FRIDAY OF New Years Day, clever me I thought i had it timed so well, lol) in a blizzard, so sorry, but i will most def be home tonight

I'm sorry to hear about that. Get well soon, and get as much rest as possible when you get home k

Lizzy wrote:There are 2 (two) roles with secrets in this game - a civ and a cereal killer, and the latter would make more sense to survive a NK attempt. Now then now then, I would, again, advise you to NOT go after the SK because he's NOT the one killing people at night; not when there are baddie candidates roaming freely in the thread. There's enough time to get him later. Bringing up a non-active player is your average baddie leitmotif so I'll be keeping an eye on those so bring that forth. Also, please don't vote for jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. Today I'll have the usual: SVS or Mongoose.

Dom wrote:

FZ. wrote: And how is Dom back?
I would say Russ, Lizzie and jj being the sisters would be too obvious, but with how you people play the game, I don't know anymore.

How the hell did we not lynch you?

Well, I'm gonna vote tonight, and without more discussion, it's gonna be for JJ.

Russtifinko wrote:

Lizzy wrote:There are 2 (two) roles with secrets in this game - a civ and a cereal killer, and the latter would make more sense to survive a NK attempt. Now then now then, I would, again, advise you to NOT go after the SK because he's NOT the one killing people at night; not when there are baddie candidates roaming freely in the thread. There's enough time to get him later. Bringing up a non-active player is your average baddie leitmotif so I'll be keeping an eye on those so bring that forth. Also, please don't vote for jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. Today I'll have the usual: SVS or Mongoose.

Thanks for this post, Liz. You make some really good points. I will say I think we should get the SK sometime soon, but I agree it's not top priority.

I'd love for us to be able to form a voting bloc, because I don't think JJ should be lynched, as I said. However, I am not on board with lynching S~V~S. I think it's a bad idea. I don't feel super amazing about voting Mongoose, but I'm less against it than an S~V~S vote.

Lizzy wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

Lizzy wrote:There are 2 (two) roles with secrets in this game - a civ and a cereal killer, and the latter would make more sense to survive a NK attempt. Now then now then, I would, again, advise you to NOT go after the SK because he's NOT the one killing people at night; not when there are baddie candidates roaming freely in the thread. There's enough time to get him later. Bringing up a non-active player is your average baddie leitmotif so I'll be keeping an eye on those so bring that forth. Also, please don't vote for jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj. Today I'll have the usual: SVS or Mongoose.

Thanks for this post, Liz. You make some really good points. I will say I think we should get the SK sometime soon, but I agree it's not top priority.

I'd love for us to be able to form a voting bloc, because I don't think JJ should be lynched, as I said. However, I am not on board with lynching S~V~S. I think it's a bad idea. I don't feel super amazing about voting Mongoose, but I'm less against it than an S~V~S vote.

I'm fine with either SVS or Mongoose. I don't think you'd defend SVS if you two were on a team together, but dammit, mate, I don't think I'll ever be able to trust you after Meat Boy. Plus the nice helpful thing you're doing just now is driving me bananas. Also, I believe Hadley already took care of FZ.