The Syndicate

juliets wrote:And just as a reminder, he has only been wrong once.

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:And just as a reminder, he has only been wrong once.

And in that particular instance, wrong about everybody.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:I dont know if I'm feeling a boogs vote OR an Eloh vote. Honestly I'm more inclined to vote someone like vomps on this one. He has done nothing but randomize and not contribute to this at all. I also believe at one point he said that he wont even read the thread until it slows down considerably.

so on that note, I'm going to vote Vompatti for being here and refusing to contribute. no hard feelings voopy.

Boogs wrote:Capt. bunny: All I know is I was silenced and couldn't vote by some Wood elf thing. I have no idea if it's to do with Gaelor or Vitner but I did what I was told. The part where you said I never voiced my opinions on SD or FZ until after he was lynched, WHEN did I have time to??? I was silenced Day 2 when evidence and cases were built on FZ so I couldn't post to agree or say I wanted to vote for him. And I didn't make a fake argument up, I was trying to say if someone tries to ask why I didn't vote for either MP or FZ is probably because they will say "I am on his team" . I know we haven't played together before, but my play style isn't really one of those quote 1-20 posts of someone when I post. I give my thoughts and don't post as much as others. I do tend to agree as a follower at times than be leader. I just think you're getting the wrong vibes from me altogether. Sometimes my opinions can be wonky, but I'm not ever afraid to voice what I feel and I think that is what gets people always accusing me of being bad when I am civ. I am not bad.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:I dont know if I'm feeling a boogs vote OR an Eloh vote. Honestly I'm more inclined to vote someone like vomps on this one. He has done nothing but randomize and not contribute to this at all. I also believe at one point he said that he wont even read the thread until it slows down considerably.

so on that note, I'm going to vote Vompatti for being here and refusing to contribute. no hard feelings voopy.

Apparently Vomps is a "special player", though I don't really know what that means.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Boogs wrote:Capt. bunny: All I know is I was silenced and couldn't vote by some Wood elf thing. I have no idea if it's to do with Gaelor or Vitner but I did what I was told. The part where you said I never voiced my opinions on SD or FZ until after he was lynched, WHEN did I have time to??? I was silenced Day 2 when evidence and cases were built on FZ so I couldn't post to agree or say I wanted to vote for him. And I didn't make a fake argument up, I was trying to say if someone tries to ask why I didn't vote for either MP or FZ is probably because they will say "I am on his team" . I know we haven't played together before, but my play style isn't really one of those quote 1-20 posts of someone when I post. I give my thoughts and don't post as much as others. I do tend to agree as a follower at times than be leader. I just think you're getting the wrong vibes from me altogether. Sometimes my opinions can be wonky, but I'm not ever afraid to voice what I feel and I think that is what gets people always accusing me of being bad when I am civ. I am not bad.

If you had no idea which one it was, why did you tell us it was the elven drink?

Snow Dog wrote:

Boogs wrote:I have a quick second to check in luckily. Okay, so because I decided to try Elohcin over Spacedaisy even though I said I suspect her as well, that makes me bad today? Interesting. Also, if the people who voted on me suspect me as bad, are you suggesting I am on the same Goblin team as MP? That's funny if so. I don't see how me voting second in the poll automatically diverts attention from players who have been talked about the past week and onto me all of a sudden because I choose to vote someone else based on good thread evidence Epignosis and others have made about Elohcin. I have waited on Daisy because I found her argument something to consider about why she would have helped get rid of 2 teammates (MP and FZ) when she would now be alone with just 1 person. I think when I first assumed after Day 1's result, it felt like that was what Mp was doing by throwing her under. But then with FZ gone also, it does make me original idea fade and not logical. That is why I am trying Elohcin today, I am considering again Daisy and Mongoose possibly being bad teammates like K4J is trying to say and I'm not sure if Elohcin is on that team or MP's.

This "Boogs bandwagon" Vompattii stated he jumped on pings me some about him also when Epignosis and I are the only ones who had voted and it feels he is trying to start one.

Well he voted Llama the first time because Llama voted Mongoose. What's up with that? Usual Wombat behaviour or a smokescreen?

Vompatti wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:I dont know if I'm feeling a boogs vote OR an Eloh vote. Honestly I'm more inclined to vote someone like vomps on this one. He has done nothing but randomize and not contribute to this at all. I also believe at one point he said that he wont even read the thread until it slows down considerably.

so on that note, I'm going to vote Vompatti for being here and refusing to contribute. no hard feelings voopy.

Apparently Vomps is a "special player", though I don't really know what that means.

1. Surpassing what is common or usual; exceptional: a special occasion; a special treat.
2. a. Distinct among others of a kind: a special type of paint; a special medication for arthritis.
5. Regarded with particular affection and admiration: a special friend.

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:I dont know if I'm feeling a boogs vote OR an Eloh vote. Honestly I'm more inclined to vote someone like vomps on this one. He has done nothing but randomize and not contribute to this at all. I also believe at one point he said that he wont even read the thread until it slows down considerably.

so on that note, I'm going to vote Vompatti for being here and refusing to contribute. no hard feelings voopy.

Apparently Vomps is a "special player", though I don't really know what that means.

1. Surpassing what is common or usual; exceptional: a special occasion; a special treat.
2. a. Distinct among others of a kind: a special type of paint; a special medication for arthritis.
5. Regarded with particular affection and admiration: a special friend.

You're a 5 to me <33333

Vompatti wrote:

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:I dont know if I'm feeling a boogs vote OR an Eloh vote. Honestly I'm more inclined to vote someone like vomps on this one. He has done nothing but randomize and not contribute to this at all. I also believe at one point he said that he wont even read the thread until it slows down considerably.

so on that note, I'm going to vote Vompatti for being here and refusing to contribute. no hard feelings voopy.

Apparently Vomps is a "special player", though I don't really know what that means.

1. Surpassing what is common or usual; exceptional: a special occasion; a special treat.
2. a. Distinct among others of a kind: a special type of paint; a special medication for arthritis.
5. Regarded with particular affection and admiration: a special friend.

You're a 5 to me <33333

lol u too haha xD

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

A Person wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Apparently Vomps is a "special player", though I don't really know what that means.

1. Surpassing what is common or usual; exceptional: a special occasion; a special treat.
2. a. Distinct among others of a kind: a special type of paint; a special medication for arthritis.
5. Regarded with particular affection and admiration: a special friend.

You're a 5 to me <33333

lol u too haha xD

I meant out of ten

Boogs wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Boogs wrote:Capt. bunny: All I know is I was silenced and couldn't vote by some Wood elf thing. I have no idea if it's to do with Gaelor or Vitner but I did what I was told. The part where you said I never voiced my opinions on SD or FZ until after he was lynched, WHEN did I have time to??? I was silenced Day 2 when evidence and cases were built on FZ so I couldn't post to agree or say I wanted to vote for him. And I didn't make a fake argument up, I was trying to say if someone tries to ask why I didn't vote for either MP or FZ is probably because they will say "I am on his team" . I know we haven't played together before, but my play style isn't really one of those quote 1-20 posts of someone when I post. I give my thoughts and don't post as much as others. I do tend to agree as a follower at times than be leader. I just think you're getting the wrong vibes from me altogether. Sometimes my opinions can be wonky, but I'm not ever afraid to voice what I feel and I think that is what gets people always accusing me of being bad when I am civ. I am not bad.

If you had no idea which one it was, why did you tell us it was the elven drink?

Because I was told I was drunk and couldn't vote or talk. Geesh. I can't copy and paste PMs for crying out loud. Can I paraphrase?

Leamiteo wrote:Wow, looks like Eloh is a gonner unless things go south fast for Boogs. So I'm left with this dilemma: vote for someone who I'm wish-washy about and achieve nothing, or join a bandwagon and see what happens.

Snow Dog wrote:I hear you Boogs but it seems like this.
To possibly gain civvie cred you decided to pretend not to be able to speak or vote. Alas you misread the roles and chose the vintner instead of the gaoler. Anyhow for whatever reason it seems you got the roles confused.

The only other alternative is that our host made an error or that the vintner can duplicate the gaoler effects. But to me that seems unlikely. Two powers the same in one team?

Snow Dog wrote:I think I suspect Elochin and Mongoose most but I might suck it and see and chuck a vote on k4j .

Snow Dog wrote:I just randomised the llama voters and got the wombat.

Turnip Head wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I just randomised the llama voters and got the wombat.

At the time of Snow Dog's throwaway vote for Vompatti, FZ and k4j were tied at 4 votes apiece, Elo had 2, and Mongoose had 1. There were a few quick random votes in between Snow Dog's first post and his vote post 11 minutes later... I think Snow Dog tried to blend in with the BWT's self-vote and Vomp's "defend Mongoose via randomization" vote. I think Snow Dog wanted to avoid accountability.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I just randomised the llama voters and got the wombat.

At the time of Snow Dog's throwaway vote for Vompatti, FZ and k4j were tied at 4 votes apiece, Elo had 2, and Mongoose had 1. There were a few quick random votes in between Snow Dog's first post and his vote post 11 minutes later... I think Snow Dog tried to blend in with the BWT's self-vote and Vomp's "defend Mongoose via randomization" vote. I think Snow Dog wanted to avoid accountability.

Snowy was just trying to defend me from Vomps' baseless attacks because he is my friend.

Snowy!

Turnip Head wrote:Snow Dog, are you implying that Boogs is lying about being silenced yesterday? Why do you think he would do this?

Epi and Juliets, what do you guys make of Boogs? I'm not seeing the case on him so far myself. It seems to be based on the fact that Boogs is lying about what happened to him on Day 2, and that no one believes he is genuinely confused, and that his suspicion of MP and FZ is disingenuous. Which I think are all just the wrong way to read Boogs' posts so far.

As for Elo... Epi has only been wrong about her once, and in that game he thought she was good but she was bad. He's never actually called Elo out as a baddie in any game that I've played with the both of them, EXCEPT for the Viral Videos game on Rev. In that game, Epi said Elo was bad, but later explained that he thought she was civ and only called her out to see who would bite. I am not seeing that same sort of hidden agenda in Epi's case on her here, which makes me think he really does suspect her. And yet, I don't feel as strongly about Elo as I would expect to. I think I need a little more time to watch her behavior before feeling sold one way or the other about her.

Snow Dog's vote from yesterday stands out to me:

Snow Dog wrote:I think I suspect Elochin and Mongoose most but I might suck it and see and chuck a vote on k4j .

Snow Dog did not show any suspicions towards k4j until Snow Dog abandoned his top two suspects - both of whom had votes - to "chuck a vote" onto k4j. But then, 11 minutes later, Snow Dog says:

Snow Dog wrote:I just randomised the llama voters and got the wombat.

At the time of Snow Dog's throwaway vote for Vompatti, FZ and k4j were tied at 4 votes apiece, Elo had 2, and Mongoose had 1. There were a few quick random votes in between Snow Dog's first post and his vote post 11 minutes later... I think Snow Dog tried to blend in with the BWT's self-vote and Vomp's "defend Mongoose via randomization" vote. I think Snow Dog wanted to avoid accountability.

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting Mongoose now. I've asked repeatedly for people to read her and give opinions but no one will, and that in itself seems fishy as a Moroccan bazaar to me.

nijuukyugou wrote:Who's to say that he's [Epi] not on either a rival goblin team, or an Indy? I find this bandwagon to be fishier than Elo's posts.

Turnip Head wrote: Who else tried to buddy up to you, Logan, and got caught red-handed?

Turnip Head wrote:Epi and Juliets, what do you guys make of Boogs? I'm not seeing the case on him so far myself. It seems to be based on the fact that Boogs is lying about what happened to him on Day 2, and that no one believes he is genuinely confused, and that his suspicion of MP and FZ is disingenuous. Which I think are all just the wrong way to read Boogs' posts so far.

Turnip Head wrote: I think Snow Dog wanted to avoid accountability.

nijuukyugou wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting Mongoose now. I've asked repeatedly for people to read her and give opinions but no one will, and that in itself seems fishy as a Moroccan bazaar to me.

For the record, good sir, I voted along with you last time. I believe I will vote the same again:

a) to prove that someone IS listening to you, llama, and that someone else finds Mongoose a bit fishy after reading, re-reading, and re-re-reading, for essentially the same reasons you've stated over and over again (over-defensiveness, being wishy-washy, etc). I won't re-hash the details since they've been repeated to what seems no avail for you.

nijuukyugou wrote:b) to avoid voting for Elo, who doesn't seem suspicious even after a re-read. Sure, Epi's been right about wifey in the past, but he's also been wrong. Very, very wrong, even at his own admitting. I don't think relying on his gut (and by so many people, who seem to repeat the same "logic" in their reasoning) is necessarily right. Who's to say that he's not on either a rival goblin team, or an Indy? I find this bandwagon to be fishier than Elo's posts.

Epignosis wrote:No, Eloh first. She hasn't contributed a single original thought. She tried to get something rolling on Mongoose after I conned her into it (I don't actually suspect Mongoose, as you can see above). Then when people started voting for k4j, she was suddenly interested in voting there. No explanation. No rationale. Just a vote.

Now look at the poll:

Elohcin
3
Epignosis (8), juliets (14), Metalmarsh89 (20)
10%

FZ.
9
kneel4justice (7), Mongoose (10), Hedgeowl (11), Bullzeye (12), DFaraday (21), Spacedaisy (23), Leamiteo (24), DisgruntledPorcupine (25), reywaS (26)

kneel4justice
6
FZ. (4), Turnip Head (5), insertnamehere (6), Captain Bunny Killer (9), Lizzy (19), Elohcin (22)


At the time she voted, Eloh had 3 votes, and FZ. and kneel4justice were tied with 5 each. Stay with me here.

I often vote late- regardless of alignment- just because I like deciding fates, but also because, if I cannot change my vote, I like to be able to save myself if necessary. Eloh voted 16 minutes before the poll ended, with PLENTY of votes left to be cast.

Supposing k4j and FZ. were both civilians, and supposing Eloh is voting to save her skin, then she would vote one of the two leaders (as she did), but there would be an indifference, especially since she has expressed no real suspicion of anybody. We can assume there would be a 50-50 chance of her voting for either. But if she were civilian and trying to save herself, then she would not just have voted- she would have tried to get others to vote for her option. At the time she voted, it was close.

But that isn't what happened. She didn't make a case. Instead, she chose to defend herself only and then she just voted someone she had not breathed a syllable of suspicion about before, putting k4j one vote ahead of FZ. But FZ. was bad news, as we just saw, so if I am correct about Eloh, then the 50-50 thing doesn't necessarily apply.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:b) to avoid voting for Elo, who doesn't seem suspicious even after a re-read. Sure, Epi's been right about wifey in the past, but he's also been wrong. Very, very wrong, even at his own admitting. I don't think relying on his gut (and by so many people, who seem to repeat the same "logic" in their reasoning) is necessarily right. Who's to say that he's not on either a rival goblin team, or an Indy? I find this bandwagon to be fishier than Elo's posts.

I'll go ahead and restate my reason for voting Elo. For one thing, I don't like to trust other people's instincts of other because they can easily be manipulated based on their alignment. But I do not think Epi is bad because of how aggressive he has been. Or I should say that I do not think he is part of the Moria Goblin tribe. Having their member total cut in half, I would expect them to lie low rather than go balls to the wall (I hope I am not wrong here). And the reason I suspect Elo is mainly her actions in the lynching of FZ. Epi put it rather eloquently in this post. I would expect others to find this something other than a mere coincidence.

nijuukyugou wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:b) to avoid voting for Elo, who doesn't seem suspicious even after a re-read. Sure, Epi's been right about wifey in the past, but he's also been wrong. Very, very wrong, even at his own admitting. I don't think relying on his gut (and by so many people, who seem to repeat the same "logic" in their reasoning) is necessarily right. Who's to say that he's not on either a rival goblin team, or an Indy? I find this bandwagon to be fishier than Elo's posts.

I'll go ahead and restate my reason for voting Elo. For one thing, I don't like to trust other people's instincts of other because they can easily be manipulated based on their alignment. But I do not think Epi is bad because of how aggressive he has been. Or I should say that I do not think he is part of the Moria Goblin tribe. Having their member total cut in half, I would expect them to lie low rather than go balls to the wall (I hope I am not wrong here). And the reason I suspect Elo is mainly her actions in the lynching of FZ. Epi put it rather eloquently in this post. I would expect others to find this something other than a mere coincidence.

Fair enough. Thanks for your explanation/reply! This lynch should be interesting and revealing one way or another.

Turnip Head wrote:Epi and Juliets, what do you guys make of Boogs? I'm not seeing the case on him so far myself. It seems to be based on the fact that Boogs is lying about what happened to him on Day 2, and that no one believes he is genuinely confused, and that his suspicion of MP and FZ is disingenuous. Which I think are all just the wrong way to read Boogs' posts so far.

Epignosis wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:b) to avoid voting for Elo, who doesn't seem suspicious even after a re-read. Sure, Epi's been right about wifey in the past, but he's also been wrong. Very, very wrong, even at his own admitting. I don't think relying on his gut (and by so many people, who seem to repeat the same "logic" in their reasoning) is necessarily right. Who's to say that he's not on either a rival goblin team, or an Indy? I find this bandwagon to be fishier than Elo's posts.

I'll go ahead and restate my reason for voting Elo. For one thing, I don't like to trust other people's instincts of other because they can easily be manipulated based on their alignment. But I do not think Epi is bad because of how aggressive he has been. Or I should say that I do not think he is part of the Moria Goblin tribe. Having their member total cut in half, I would expect them to lie low rather than go balls to the wall (I hope I am not wrong here). And the reason I suspect Elo is mainly her actions in the lynching of FZ. Epi put it rather eloquently in this post. I would expect others to find this something other than a mere coincidence.

Fair enough. Thanks for your explanation/reply! This lynch should be interesting and revealing one way or another.

You're just secretly hoping I'm wrong, aren't you?