The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote: By my math I think the baddies left are Bullz, Keterman, and Made.

If we're openly sharing reeds, Mine are Bullz, keterman, and MP.

Made and DH refuse to discuss and then drop votes for Bullz out of nowhere.

Someone tell me how this is civvie behavior.

Cocky baddies have decided since they've already won there's no need to carry on pretending?

Does anyone think it's possible that the baddie team with three members has still all three members alive? If so, it's possible DH and Made are two of those members and making a power play.

Or it's possible DH and Made are two on the three person baddie team and are hoping the one remaining baddie on the other team will follow along, and maybe they can convince a civvie too.

This seems more likely.

Dh, before you're suspicious of me further, please read at least some of the stuff i've typed while you were afk.

Omg this is happening..... if i may have a chance to defend myself before votes are directed towards me?

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why can't anyone discuss suspicions with me?

DH? What do you got?

Linki with Dana: I don't think your being off the poll makes you bad. I've thought you likely to be bad based on your in thread behavior, though your genuine sounding responses have given me pause (not that I could vote you now anyway ). I do wonder how you could get off the poll; it has to be a secret of some kind. I will admit that, from looking at the front page, it seems more likely to be a Township power than a mafia power, but I'm basing my suspicion of you on in thread behavior and my interpretations therein.

Do you think Made acting super weird makes him a baddie though or not?

LINKI: WTF?!?!?!?! Bullz has two votes??? What happened?

Made and DH voted me without mentioning, despite the fact there was obviously something wrong. TBH I didn't actually distrust DH so it's a shame he felt he had to vote for me, but Made is someone I'm suspicious of.

Really you talk about obviously being forced to make a case and my vote is suspicious to you really is that really happening

MovingPictures07 wrote:Does anyone think it's possible that the baddie team with three members has still all three members alive? If so, it's possible DH and Made are two of those members and making a power play.

I will say I'm very shocked by DH. It makes me question something I thought I'd figured out for sure that meant he was definitely a civ.

Linki - really. It's really happening.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why can't anyone discuss suspicions with me?

DH? What do you got?

Linki with Dana: I don't think your being off the poll makes you bad. I've thought you likely to be bad based on your in thread behavior, though your genuine sounding responses have given me pause (not that I could vote you now anyway ). I do wonder how you could get off the poll; it has to be a secret of some kind. I will admit that, from looking at the front page, it seems more likely to be a Township power than a mafia power, but I'm basing my suspicion of you on in thread behavior and my interpretations therein.

Do you think Made acting super weird makes him a baddie though or not?

LINKI: WTF?!?!?!?! Bullz has two votes??? What happened?

Made and DH voted me without mentioning, despite the fact there was obviously something wrong. TBH I didn't actually distrust DH so it's a shame he felt he had to vote for me, but Made is someone I'm suspicious of.

Really you talk about obviously being forced to make a case and my vote is suspicious to you really is that really happening

No u

Made wrote:Dh, before you're suspicious of me further, please read at least some of the stuff i've typed while you were afk.

Omg this is happening..... if i may have a chance to defend myself before votes are directed towards me?

Yeah, thanks for that one

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Does anyone think it's possible that the baddie team with three members has still all three members alive? If so, it's possible DH and Made are two of those members and making a power play.

I will say I'm very shocked by DH. It makes me question something I thought I'd figured out for sure that meant he was definitely a civ.

Linki - really. It's really happening.

Really you say you're being forced

*So* what *am* I just supposed to believe you
*I* can't even. Did I actually just read that.

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Does anyone think it's possible that the baddie team with three members has still all three members alive? If so, it's possible DH and Made are two of those members and making a power play.

I will say I'm very shocked by DH. It makes me question something I thought I'd figured out for sure that meant he was definitely a civ.

Linki - really. It's really happening.

I'm shocked too. I mean, I know DH has an amazing baddie game, but I was leaning civvie on him. I just can't see how his move makes him a civvie though. I really can't. It's definitely a power play.

Are we voting for DH or Made? (or Blooper or Keterman)?

What the fuck...

Keterman wrote:What the fuck...

Any thoughts?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Does anyone think it's possible that the baddie team with three members has still all three members alive? If so, it's possible DH and Made are two of those members and making a power play.

I will say I'm very shocked by DH. It makes me question something I thought I'd figured out for sure that meant he was definitely a civ.

Linki - really. It's really happening.

I'm shocked too. I mean, I know DH has an amazing baddie game, but I was leaning civvie on him. I just can't see how his move makes him a civvie though. I really can't. It's definitely a power play.

Are we voting for DH or Made? (or Blooper or Keterman)?

I would rather vote Made, personally. As far as DH goes I did discover something (without going into too much detail) that would make him a civ. I don't see any other way around that, so I'd rather give myself time to weigh that up against this.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Do you think Made acting super weird makes him a baddie though or not?

Yes, I think it might. I know Made really well and he's been keeping it together for most of this game but now I'm starting to see him act a little off. The whole thing with being so sure that SVS left the notes without any proof is really confusing me too.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dana, I'll vote Made if we all agree that's the best option, but I'm inclined to vote DH because it seems even more likely to me.

I trust DH a lot but that silent vote was pretty sketchy. Made is definitely acting very odd, though. And then he plays it off like he's joking around but I'm not sure if I buy it.

Oh wow new information I can't even keep up with all this omg.
If both DH and Bullz were forced then do we just ignore all of what they've been saying/doing?

Ok, so we should not kill tonight, at the very least, and here's why:

Sally is dead. If we kill Tony tonight, then we avoid a civvie death.

It seems most arguements currently being raised against me are saying i'm on a team.

If that is true, then we should save me in favor of voting for Bullz who at this point seems to be working alone.

Think about this, Everyone who thinks Bullz is acting funny thinks he's acting funny by himself, not with a visable teammate.

(please note, i prefer to acknowledge strong arguements against both myself, as well as others, and the faults that exist within these arguements, and i have consistantly done that through out the game. I am now doing this with myself, I am not admitting guilt.)

Why Made? Just want to know your thought process.

Wow linki

Even with my little knowledge of Bullz' meta that was obviously a curse, and he basically confirmed as much. The silent votes for him? Not okay. I don't know what's going on with Made but the near-scumclaiming is too WIFOM-y for me, and considering his behavior earlier that seems like something he would try to pull off, perhaps to distract or perhaps just to fuck with our heads. He's getting my vote. That silent vote from DH also pings me but of the two Made just feels like scum that's already won the game.

I'm leaning town on MP now unless he's pulling off confusion very well. I'm also leaning town on Bullz for getting cursed but are even there more than two or three living civvies in this game? This seems pretty hopeless right now.

MovingPictures07 wrote: I'm shocked too. I mean, I know DH has an amazing baddie game, but I was leaning civvie on him. I just can't see how his move makes him a civvie though. I really can't. It's definitely a power play.

this is exactly what I think, which is why i followed the vote. I figured he put together what i put together and that there was an unspoken trust between us, but i was apparently wrong.

Dana wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Do you think Made acting super weird makes him a baddie though or not?

Yes, I think it might. I know Made really well and he's been keeping it together for most of this game but now I'm starting to see him act a little off. The whole thing with being so sure that SVS left the notes without any proof is really confusing me too.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dana, I'll vote Made if we all agree that's the best option, but I'm inclined to vote DH because it seems even more likely to me.

I trust DH a lot but that silent vote was pretty sketchy. Made is definitely acting very odd, though. And then he plays it off like he's joking around but I'm not sure if I buy it.

Oh wow new information I can't even keep up with all this omg.
If both DH and Bullz were forced then do we just ignore all of what they've been saying/doing?

Games almost NEVER have two force voters, let alone one.

Made wrote:Ok, so we should not kill tonight, at the very least, and here's why:

Sally is dead. If we kill Tony tonight, then we avoid a civvie death.

It seems most arguements currently being raised against me are saying i'm on a team.

If that is true, then we should save me in favor of voting for Bullz who at this point seems to be working alone.

Think about this, Everyone who thinks Bullz is acting funny thinks he's acting funny by himself, not with a visable teammate.

(please note, i prefer to acknowledge strong arguements against both myself, as well as others, and the faults that exist within these arguements, and i have consistantly done that through out the game. I am now doing this with myself, I am not admitting guilt.)

Are you role claiming the single mafia left on one mafia team?

Made wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: I'm shocked too. I mean, I know DH has an amazing baddie game, but I was leaning civvie on him. I just can't see how his move makes him a civvie though. I really can't. It's definitely a power play.

this is exactly what I think, which is why i followed the vote. I figured he put together what i put together and that there was an unspoken trust between us, but i was apparently wrong.

I don't buy this one bit.

Voting Made.

Keterman wrote:Even with my little knowledge of Bullz' meta that was obviously a curse, and he basically confirmed as much. The silent votes for him? Not okay. I don't know what's going on with Made but the near-scumclaiming is too WIFOM-y for me, and considering his behavior earlier that seems like something he would try to pull off, perhaps to distract or perhaps just to fuck with our heads. He's getting my vote. That silent vote from DH also pings me but of the two Made just feels like scum that's already won the game.

I'm leaning town on MP now unless he's pulling off confusion very well. I'm also leaning town on Bullz for getting cursed but are even there more than two or three living civvies in this game? This seems pretty hopeless right now.

I agree.... but for real, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT . (except the curse, not sure if i'm buying that.... gonna double check to see if this actually even lines up...)

Made wrote: (please note, i prefer to acknowledge strong arguements against both myself, as well as others, and the faults that exist within these arguements, and i have consistantly done that through out the game. I am now doing this with myself, I am not admitting guilt.)

That is a terrible strategy Made, you're making yourself look so guilty. I thought we already knew that Bullz was acting weird because he was forced to, which doesn't say anything about whether he's good or bad. I disagree, I think it's better to break down the team instead of possibly accidentally killing a good guy by going after the lone person.

Made wrote:

Keterman wrote:Even with my little knowledge of Bullz' meta that was obviously a curse, and he basically confirmed as much. The silent votes for him? Not okay. I don't know what's going on with Made but the near-scumclaiming is too WIFOM-y for me, and considering his behavior earlier that seems like something he would try to pull off, perhaps to distract or perhaps just to fuck with our heads. He's getting my vote. That silent vote from DH also pings me but of the two Made just feels like scum that's already won the game.

I'm leaning town on MP now unless he's pulling off confusion very well. I'm also leaning town on Bullz for getting cursed but are even there more than two or three living civvies in this game? This seems pretty hopeless right now.

I agree.... but for real, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO BE THE ONE TO MAKE THIS ARGUMENT . (except the curse, not sure if i'm buying that.... gonna double check to see if this actually even lines up...)

You agree that you should be voted? And why are you mad that it was me? You're not making any sense and haven't made (heh heh) any sense for too long now.

[quote="MP"
Are you role claiming the single mafia left on one mafia team?[/quote]
No? I'm not claiming i'm anything. I'm acknowledging other arguments against me.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why Made? Just want to know your thought process.

Wow linki

A number of things. His general behaviour throughout, I felt like initially the gangster speak might be to hide or fly by as a 'zany' poster. Most people know how I tend to feel about the attitude of 'a baddie would never act that way, it'd draw too much attention'. His latching onto DH's vote today, and also several posts of his seem like he's outright claiming to be bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Games almost NEVER have two force voters, let alone one.

Having spent all of about three minutes thinking about it I can almost see how it might happen. Rachel has the even night ability of 'forcing others to behave how she wants'. She also has a secret and so does Liam. In the show Rachel's power is basically that she can convince people of/to do literally anything and she uses this to build up basically a cult of 'good' people who don't engage in behaviours she finds objectionable. I could see her or Liam having the secret ability to force a vote.

STRAW MAN EVERYWHERE, PLEASE HOLD YOUR VOTES WHILE I ADDRESS CONCERNS.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dana wrote: If both DH and Bullz were forced then do we just ignore all of what they've been saying/doing?

Games almost NEVER have two force voters, let alone one.

Only DH was forced to vote, though.

Dana wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dana wrote: If both DH and Bullz were forced then do we just ignore all of what they've been saying/doing?

Games almost NEVER have two force voters, let alone one.

Only DH was forced to vote, though.

Wait, DH was forced? do we know this for a fact? I'm sorry, super behind.

Made wrote:

Dana wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dana wrote: If both DH and Bullz were forced then do we just ignore all of what they've been saying/doing?

Games almost NEVER have two force voters, let alone one.

Only DH was forced to vote, though.

Wait, DH was forced? do we know this for a fact? I'm sorry, super behind.

Pretty much, yeah. Idk if he's allowed to outright say he was, but it was very heavily implied.

I feel comfortable with my Made vote.

Keterman wrote:Even with my little knowledge of Bullz' meta that was obviously a curse, and he basically confirmed as much. The silent votes for him? Not okay. I don't know what's going on with Made but the near-scumclaiming is too WIFOM-y for me, and considering his behavior earlier that seems like something he would try to pull off,

I misread this. I thought that you thought with the ridiculas stuff i was pulling early game, that this seems in the relm of how i play the game (which is it)

In the resistance, I enjoy just pretending to be merlin and calling 2 random people as spy because it's fun and often leads to chao, and in this chao, people often slip up. That's how i enjoy playing. the chaos this time just got out of my control, which is why i'm just asking for more time.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel comfortable with my Made vote.

Likewise.

I'm so anxious for this poll result.

Keterman wrote: I don't know what's going on with Made but the near-scumclaiming is too WIFOM-y for me

What's WIFOM?

Dana wrote:

Made wrote:

Dana wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dana wrote: If both DH and Bullz were forced then do we just ignore all of what they've been saying/doing?

Games almost NEVER have two force voters, let alone one.

Only DH was forced to vote, though.

Wait, DH was forced? do we know this for a fact? I'm sorry, super behind.

Pretty much, yeah. Idk if he's allowed to outright say he was, but it was very heavily implied.

Well i got fucked over hard. Here's what I thought, full disclosure.
I thought DH had the same SVS being the note writter theory i did, so i played it coy. this morning when DH was the only one to post "reads" and then voted to kill Bull after I said that a kill on Tony would save us a Civvie death, I thought he had some sort of info that lead him to the conclusion Bull was mafia, and i was trusting him. I figured the reeds post was accompanyed by his vote. which explains my open ended "if i'm reading these reeds correct...." comment.

then he posted a picture of a black guy being all approving so I thought that was him sayinhg "you did the right thing"

So i got cocking, figuing we just wiped out the first mafia team.

that is why i voted Bullz.

cocky*
I think this explains everything.

Dana wrote:

Keterman wrote: I don't know what's going on with Made but the near-scumclaiming is too WIFOM-y for me

What's WIFOM?

Also, I have no clue what WIFOM means either, i figured it means something to the extent of "yeah dude, this is too sus for me". I was not agreing with that comment form Keterman either.

Dana wrote:

Keterman wrote: I don't know what's going on with Made but the near-scumclaiming is too WIFOM-y for me

What's WIFOM?

also, this is why i was trying to send you a secret message dana. I wanted you to trust both me and DH so we would win.

Made wrote:then he posted a picture of a black guy being all approving so I thought that was him sayinhg "you did the right thing"

That was the guy from the READing rainbow. He was just going on with all the reads stuff.

WIFOM = Wine in Front of Me

Refers to that scene in The Princess Bride with the wine glasses

Linki

Made wrote:also, this is why i was trying to send you a secret message dana. I wanted you to trust both me and DH so we would win.

Sorry, but your secret messages are terrible...

Dana wrote:

Made wrote:then he posted a picture of a black guy being all approving so I thought that was him sayinhg "you did the right thing"

That was the guy from the READing rainbow. He was just going on with all the reads stuff.

For some reason, this cracked me up.

Hell, I thought that Dh's posting a video of a frank senatra song was him sending me a code, so i sent him back a gambino song pretty much saying, hey i trust you, and i trust her, let's get dana in on this. ( i really hope this doesn't get to the point where i have to explain my interpretiation of the song)

also linki- i had no clue that was him.

Fuck it, i can't die..... posting lyric interpretations...


Dana, I really hope you know how cocky i can get. I thought Civvies won, so i turned into a smart talking jackass.

Made wrote:Fuck it, i can't die..... posting lyric interpretations...


Dana, I really hope you know how cocky i can get. I thought Civvies won, so i turned into a smart talking jackass.

Also before i post the lyrics, The reason I told you to trust SVS right before day time was because I thought she could be trusted to piece the remainder of the game together with DH, and that i was dead.

Made wrote:Dana, I really hope you know how cocky i can get. I thought Civvies won, so i turned into a smart talking jackass.

You're not really a cocky person, Made. I feel like you're making excuses... If you're good, I'm sorry But you're really acting bad right now..

Ugh, I'm doubting my vote, but I really just don't see Made as anything other than floundering right now.