The Syndicate

MovingPictures07 wrote:

RIP Roxy. I REALLY REALLY don't understand why you did that. Grrrrr.

I'll be voting LC again tomorrow.

Again?

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

RIP Roxy. I REALLY REALLY don't understand why you did that. Grrrrr.

I'll be voting LC again tomorrow.

Again?

Oh, well, I guess the only time I voted him was N2, so "again" doesn't make sense.

I will be voting him tomorrow based on my suspicion that has persisted. Better wording now. Lol.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

RIP Roxy. I REALLY REALLY don't understand why you did that. Grrrrr.

I'll be voting LC again tomorrow.

Again?

Oh, well, I guess the only time I voted him was N2, so "again" doesn't make sense.

I will be voting him tomorrow based on my suspicion that has persisted. Better wording now. Lol.

Sorry, had to call you on that as you switched your vote off him and never switched back. I think the best possibility for LC is Chick Hicks. That is just throwing out ideas.

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

RIP Roxy. I REALLY REALLY don't understand why you did that. Grrrrr.

I'll be voting LC again tomorrow.

Again?

Oh, well, I guess the only time I voted him was N2, so "again" doesn't make sense.

I will be voting him tomorrow based on my suspicion that has persisted. Better wording now. Lol.

Sorry, had to call you on that as you switched your vote off him and never switched back. I think the best possibility for LC is Chick Hicks. That is just throwing out ideas.

Well, true, and somehow I was thinking I voted him a day previous too but I guess I never kept it on him then either. I'll willingly admit that, so no problem.

Why do you think he is Chick?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

RIP Roxy. I REALLY REALLY don't understand why you did that. Grrrrr.

I'll be voting LC again tomorrow.

Again?

Oh, well, I guess the only time I voted him was N2, so "again" doesn't make sense.

I will be voting him tomorrow based on my suspicion that has persisted. Better wording now. Lol.

Sorry, had to call you on that as you switched your vote off him and never switched back. I think the best possibility for LC is Chick Hicks. That is just throwing out ideas.

Well, true, and somehow I was thinking I voted him a day previous too but I guess I never kept it on him then either. I'll willingly admit that, so no problem.

Why do you think he is Chick?

Just a feeling, just a guess. Nothing real or tangible. I don't think he has a team. I think he is either Chick or civvie.

Black Rock wrote:
Just a feeling, just a guess. Nothing real or tangible. I don't think he has a team. I think he is either Chick or civvie.

Which do you think is more likely?

I ask because last time we played a game together you nailed the SK pretty early on... (me)

Black Rock wrote: Just a feeling, just a guess. Nothing real or tangible. I don't think he has a team. I think he is either Chick or civvie.

Makes sense, I suppose!

Who do you think is bad then, BR?

fell asleep for a nap at 6pm, and am just now waking up, my bad. Thanks for not killing me... Catching up...

Dom wrote:

Black Rock wrote:
Just a feeling, just a guess. Nothing real or tangible. I don't think he has a team. I think he is either Chick or civvie.

Which do you think is more likely?

I ask because last time we played a game together you nailed the SK pretty early on... (me)

I leaning bad, but I can't know this so it's just a feeling.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who do you think is bad then, BR?

Whoa, whoa... that's a lot of pressure. I'm really only sniffing after LC. I do think he's alone so I have considered some of his cases as valid. Which would include you and Dom.

Black Rock wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Who do you think is bad then, BR?

Whoa, whoa... that's a lot of pressure. I'm really only sniffing after LC. I do think he's alone so I have considered some of his cases as valid. Which would include you and Dom.

Just curious, that's all!

So I've been thinking and I still don't understand Rox's actions. I know a civvie could get frustrated, and I know Rox gets really into the game like I do, but she was barely taking any heat at all for the entire game, let alone before she voted herself amid my mentioning her again. It seemed completely unwarranted.

I'm not even sure I believe this, but I think it could be possible Rox was the Seemer. It's a plausible explanation for why she reacted that way.

I don't think it's true, really, but it's something to consider.

I also think it's possible Llama was bad. I hope so, anyway, because if all or even three of the mafia are alive, that's a bit worrisome.

Well that sucks. Was never comfortable with that vote.

Anyway after thinking on it I believe LC is possibly Chick.

Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

Long Con wrote:Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

I admit the possibility you could be civ.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

I admit the possibility you could be civ.

Do you think we'll feel blindsided when the secrets in British Intel's win conditions are revealed?

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

I admit the possibility you could be civ.

Do you think we'll feel blindsided when the secrets in British Intel's win conditions are revealed?

I feel they are civ friendly, but I haven't seen Cars 2. Has anyone here seen it?

Yup, they're nothing but good in the movie.

Long Con wrote:Yup, they're nothing but good in the movie.

You have any guesses what their secret could be? And what does tracks mean?

Long Con wrote:Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

Your case is wrong and not solid at all.

I can't speak for Dom's alignment, but I don't think he's bad either.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Yup, they're nothing but good in the movie.

You have any guesses what their secret could be? And what does tracks mean?

It's like spying, from what I would interpret. So they can see who that person targeted.

Self voting for now so I have something in just in case. Hoping to get the interwebz fixed later but who knows. RIP Roxy I'm glad I didn't end up switching my vote to you I see now that would have been a bad choice.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Yup, they're nothing but good in the movie.

You have any guesses what their secret could be? And what does tracks mean?

No guess, but I would say that tracking someone would tell them who, if anyone, that person targeted at night.

Somebody has deleted their post.. I think I remember who, but not saying names unless there is a way for sure to say who it was? Admin people??

MP's was the 2nd post on this page when I read it an hour ago.

I'm very sad Kate had to be replaced since I was looking forward to playing with her but am glad to be back in the game.

RIP Roxy. I have to read back, because I was admittedly only skimming since my death, but I'm curious about the sudden turn around on Roxy.

Splints, I look forward to hearing a fresh perspective from you regarding what has occurred.

Long Con wrote:Nope, I'm not Chick. I'm a Civvie. If you're not looking at MP and Dom right now, then you're not really doing it right. My case is pretty solid.

Too bad I'm civvie, then, eh?

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I've been thinking and I still don't understand Rox's actions. I know a civvie could get frustrated, and I know Rox gets really into the game like I do, but she was barely taking any heat at all for the entire game, let alone before she voted herself amid my mentioning her again. It seemed completely unwarranted.

I'm not even sure I believe this, but I think it could be possible Rox was the Seemer. It's a plausible explanation for why she reacted that way.

I don't think it's true, really, but it's something to consider.

Dude...

MP has been on about the Seemer from the start.

Long Con wrote:MP has been on about the Seemer from the start.

I know. It was part of my suspicion of him from the start.

Dom wrote:

Long Con wrote:MP has been on about the Seemer from the start.

I know. It was part of my suspicion of him from the start.

I know. I read each of your posts several times.

I'm starting to feel like no one is civvie here

Dom wrote:I'm starting to feel like no one is civvie here

I am.

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I've been thinking and I still don't understand Rox's actions. I know a civvie could get frustrated, and I know Rox gets really into the game like I do, but she was barely taking any heat at all for the entire game, let alone before she voted herself amid my mentioning her again. It seemed completely unwarranted.

I'm not even sure I believe this, but I think it could be possible Rox was the Seemer. It's a plausible explanation for why she reacted that way.

I don't think it's true, really, but it's something to consider.

Dude...

How the heck is this suspicious?

Why is everyone ignoring the fact that a Seemer exists this game? And how is it OK when LC brings up the possibility but it's not OK for me?

Why did Rox act the way she did? She further torpedoed the chances of us winning, and for what? No one even suspected her practically! So you can understand why I would reach this conclusion.

I didn't even say I think it's true, but what's the harm in bringing this up? I seriously don't get it, and it further proves to me that no one can read my playstyle.

Long Con wrote:

Made wrote:If i'm correct, this is a rezzie poll, as the number of people dead equals the number of racers/options.
Assuming there based on order, who would be the most helpful to bring back?

Bass would seem to be the most helpful to bring back, given that Mack protects the awesome Lightning McQueen... although I'm actually a bit suspicious of the role he came back as. There are roles that the Seemer (Miles Axelrod) would choose to appear as, and roles that it wouldn't be as beneficial to appear as.

I don't want to do the baddies' thinking for them, but Mack is one of the roles that the Seemer could easily choose to appear as. Bass' "slip up" could have been a genuine baddie slip, and he's just Miles Axelrod.

Llama could be a baddie, hard to say. Probably not worth the risk, when nijuu (Fillmore, not likely a Seemer because then the real Fillmore would just post-curse someone and prove the truth) and FZ. (Guido, risky for a Seemer to choose because of possible secret BTSC/role knowledge with Guido) are available.

FZ. was a better participator, and got ripped off by a wild sock... she is my choice for rez target.

Although I think the assumption that this poll will rez anybody is probably not correct, I will vote DJ in the hope that FZ. comes back.

Why did you not this, Dom?

And you know, I KNEW I would get that kind of response out of people, but I'm not afraid of discussing possibilities. It's all we have. And can anyone else actually explain why Rox behaved the way she did? Because that lynch was abysmal.

Frankly, I'm starting to wonder if the baddies are hiding in Sabie and MR and others who just keep bandwagoning and avoid suspicion, but I still strongly believe LC is bad, and I think he needs to be lynched tomorrow.

And to be honest, I know I shouldn't be, but if Rox was actually civ, I'm REALLY upset about the way she went down. There was absolutely no reason for a civvie who has come under so little suspicion all game to self-destruct like that. It completely wasted a lynch.

She was reacting and behaving oddly imo.

And i don't know why she can't be the seemer. Anything is possible.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Made wrote:If i'm correct, this is a rezzie poll, as the number of people dead equals the number of racers/options.
Assuming there based on order, who would be the most helpful to bring back?

Bass would seem to be the most helpful to bring back, given that Mack protects the awesome Lightning McQueen... although I'm actually a bit suspicious of the role he came back as. There are roles that the Seemer (Miles Axelrod) would choose to appear as, and roles that it wouldn't be as beneficial to appear as.

I don't want to do the baddies' thinking for them, but Mack is one of the roles that the Seemer could easily choose to appear as. Bass' "slip up" could have been a genuine baddie slip, and he's just Miles Axelrod.

Llama could be a baddie, hard to say. Probably not worth the risk, when nijuu (Fillmore, not likely a Seemer because then the real Fillmore would just post-curse someone and prove the truth) and FZ. (Guido, risky for a Seemer to choose because of possible secret BTSC/role knowledge with Guido) are available.

FZ. was a better participator, and got ripped off by a wild sock... she is my choice for rez target.

Although I think the assumption that this poll will rez anybody is probably not correct, I will vote DJ in the hope that FZ. comes back.

Why did you not this, Dom?

Because this is literally your third or fourth time being like, "SEEMER GUISE"

Are YOU the seemer, MP?

Dom wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Made wrote:If i'm correct, this is a rezzie poll, as the number of people dead equals the number of racers/options.
Assuming there based on order, who would be the most helpful to bring back?

Bass would seem to be the most helpful to bring back, given that Mack protects the awesome Lightning McQueen... although I'm actually a bit suspicious of the role he came back as. There are roles that the Seemer (Miles Axelrod) would choose to appear as, and roles that it wouldn't be as beneficial to appear as.

I don't want to do the baddies' thinking for them, but Mack is one of the roles that the Seemer could easily choose to appear as. Bass' "slip up" could have been a genuine baddie slip, and he's just Miles Axelrod.

Llama could be a baddie, hard to say. Probably not worth the risk, when nijuu (Fillmore, not likely a Seemer because then the real Fillmore would just post-curse someone and prove the truth) and FZ. (Guido, risky for a Seemer to choose because of possible secret BTSC/role knowledge with Guido) are available.

FZ. was a better participator, and got ripped off by a wild sock... she is my choice for rez target.

Although I think the assumption that this poll will rez anybody is probably not correct, I will vote DJ in the hope that FZ. comes back.

Why did you not this, Dom?

Because this is literally your third or fourth time being like, "SEEMER GUISE"

Are YOU the seemer, MP?

How is that suspicious? I mentioned it as a possibility.

Can't you recognize that it's possible Rox's behavior is much better explained if she was the Seemer?

I don't even necessarily believe it to be true, but why not consider it?

I am NOT the Seemer, but if you want to lynch me, go right ahead. I'm sick of players suspecting me game after game and not picking up on the fact that if I were bad I wouldn't easily avoid this BS suspicion by never mentioning the Seemer.

I would easily* not wouldn't

What reason does have a baddie have to speculate on stuff like that? Notice how practically no one else has ever brought up the Seemer? Want to know why? They're afraid of drawing attention to themselves.

What good does it do to avoid discussion? I had a thought. I shared with the thread. If YOU disagree Dom, by all means. But it does not make me bad.

This is honestly one of the most frustrating mafia games I've ever played. No disrespect to the hosts or other players because I've really enjoyed it, but really. Between the lack of participation, the pointless sacrifice of the last lynch, my terrible thread implosion regarding FZ. and Bass, my contradiction regarding Seemer considerations, and the overall abysmal lynch record we've had, combined with the suspicion headed my way when I'm obviously playing a civvie game (NOTE: when I lynch more civvies than not, it means I'm not bad), and also combined with really stressful RL, it's no wonder someone would find me suspicious.

You know what, LC, you're right. There are plenty of players that have contributed less than you. So maybe my argument isn't completely fair. But call it a gut analysis and some points that I really thought were well illustrated.

You want to know the fallacy of speaking in absolutes or trusting your gut? The problem is that no one ever wants to be right about a suspicion and then be persuaded otherwise and lose the game because of it. At least if one sticks to one's own guns regarding a case and it ends up being wrong, they can at least justify to themselves that they have been trying.

And I have been trying. I'll be the first one to admit that I fall into that logical fallacy trap. I'm terrible at this game. But I try my best and I can't help but think LC's behavior is suspicious. And I won't apologize for any of my failed cases. Or for speculating on the Seemer. Because I'm not afraid to voice any of my thoughts. And if any of you think I should be lynched for any of my behavior this game, so be it. But I'm not bad and all we'll do is waste more time. We need to lynch a baddie and I'm confident that at least one of them has been manipulating the thread but I'm really starting to believe that the rest are probably trying to avoid suspicion and the spotlight as much as possible.

I've had my share of suspicion MP and been very outspoken. It's how I normally play.

Yo everyone should probably vote considering Epi made a point of bring up the lack of votes N4

MovingPictures07 wrote: I am NOT the Seemer, but if you want to lynch me, go right ahead. I'm sick of players suspecting me game after game and not picking up on the fact that if I were bad I wouldn't easily avoid this BS suspicion by never mentioning the Seemer.

Gonna have to call you on this. This is a huge appeal to emotion had i ever seen one: something you've been vocally denouncing all game.

Snow Dog wrote:And i don't know why she can't be the seemer. Anything is possible.

I doubt she's seemer. She didn't have enough suspicion on her pre vote to warrant a move like that. Also, (unless mafia got lucky) someone would be incredibly for thinking she's a seemer, giving some sort of crazy good example of how she is seemer because of an inconsistency in her play with her role that'd be hard to find unless you are that role.

Maybe we should give further look into Roxy's Ambray theory?