The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rezz please.

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Rezz please.

You wait your turn, marmot.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:You never asked for one. :P

thellama73 wrote:

Day 2

Economics has been called "the dismal science." After last night, it's not hard to see why.

Throughout the night, most of the economists beavered away producing things, and as a result times are BOOMING! But a prosperous economy is small consolation to those not around to enjoy it. Disproving the theory that two wrongs don't make a right, MovingPictures was having such a bad day that he got the heck out of dodge just before something terrible happened. When he came back, some people were dead, and most of the booze was gone.


Metalmarsh89 has been killed by John Maynard Keynes.
Epignosis has been killed by Adam Smith.

My, what a bloodthirsty bunch.

You have 48 hours to lynch one of these vicious killers.

Dragon Luff wrote:How do you people from his site usually deal with this kind of situation? How do you act when you know who a player is? Do you wait, or do you find a way to reveal it asap? It would help to get some ideas.

Sloonei wrote:Also, do any of this community's regulars have tips for us noobs on how to proceed with the scumhuntery sans role reveals?

fingersplints wrote:Most of the times the hosts make a post in the beginning that includes links to the day/night posts. The guys just probably haven't gotten around to it yet

Epignosis wrote:

Golden wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Oh look, I died early again.

I think we set a collective record for our shortest combined time in game. and that was already looooooow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

sanmateo wrote:i already said this a few times tho, are yall skipping over my posts? people do that in rym and i hate it

i think we noobs are going to have to scream a little louder to ensure our contributions are noticed. i don't think my stuff is getting read by most others either.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Honestly I don't see much point in analysing why mafia killed someone.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
you don't think a dead serial killer would be worth that risk?

I think adam smith can be real helpful role to help catch baddies. I mean if you want to just catch one indy and lose the most helpful info role the civs have then poor old george will be on his own.

TinyBubbles wrote: Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.

Vompatti wrote:I am completely agree with the above!

Russtifinko wrote:Announcements

2. Effective immediately, Vomps is replacing Dom. He may not be NKed tonight, nor lynched tomorrow.

TinyBubbles wrote:Ooh sneaky, maybe I'll have to recant my opinion about you being a good guy
I'm not milking the noob card I just skim a lot and miss things, it's as lame as that >_>

Anyway, I'm just gonna go ahead and Vote Elohcin. I'm assuming you're not a lying dirty wolf in sheep's clothing misleading me; apart from Bass I don't really know who else to vote for and don't really want to spend more time on it. Elohcin if you're innocent i'm TRULY SORRY and to everyone else, please don't bandwagon. I don't want to be responsible for lynching an innocent. That's probably what got Golden killed.

Elohcin wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I agree with this as well. The Serial Killer would most likely want to rid himself of mafia first so he can be the only killer, right? So...let him be until mafia is gone, then figure out who he is and lynch him.

Sloonei wrote:I'm more puzzled over the lack of alignment reveals than role reveal. Not knowing who/what Epi was is giving me nightmares and I'm not even asleep yet. Obviously this is not an issue for the usual scum kill, as it's generally a safe bet that they won't kill their own, but

Elohcin wrote: MP also made stuff up about my vote, told a lie. He said that I posted that I thought Golden was CIV! Then he later quote a post from me where I say Golden is my #2 suspect. He said that I never had an opinion on anyone but him, but then he quoted a post where I mention several names and what I think about them.

Elohcin wrote:
Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.

Elohcin wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
you don't think a dead serial killer would be worth that risk?

I think adam smith can be real helpful role to help catch baddies. I mean if you want to just catch one indy and lose the most helpful info role the civs have then poor old george will be on his own.

I agree with this as well. The Serial Killer would most likely want to rid himself of mafia first so he can be the only killer, right? So...let him be until mafia is gone, then figure out who he is and lynch him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Day 1 ISO - Elohcin

Elohcin wrote:I see that DDL thinks all those who've been posting tonight look like town. I disagree, but not only that, I highly doubt that none of the mafia are talking. I just can't see that being the case. Honestly, I see MP's over-helpful behavior as suspicious. I know we have a lot of new players and he wants to be helpful, but there's just something fishy about it.

this is one of the earlier posts which i think promoted a narrowed discussion focused upon the 5 most active players. i don't like that at all. i do think it's plausible for a townie to own this mindset so i won't automatically assume mafia, but it's a markdown. i also don't like vague caveats like "there's just something fishy about it". that's terminology employed in fake reads more often than the mean.

All I was saying was that I doubt ALL of the mafia are silent at that time. Then, I pointed out that MP was acting different than I am used to. It "pinged" me as some would say, so I thought to mention it in order to get discussion rolling on it.

Elohcin wrote:alright....bedtime for me. I am hoping I don't have 10 pages to catch up on when I wake up

linki: he had to answer every question that any of the new-to-the-syndicates asked - even the ones directly asked to the hosts.

linki with MP. I like your answers They do make me feel better. When I said I couldn't put my finger on it, its b/c I felt it could go either way. You seem to be a much more cheerful player and that scared me a bit, sorry. But I thought, maybe it's just b/c we have new players. But then I remembered that you took some time away from Mafia (or now I know you took time away from the syndicate) and I thought....maybe his supportive, helpful, cheerful behavior can be explained by him being excited to be back playing again. And, I think that must be it. When I called you a selfish player I didn't mean anything mean by it Thank you for not finding offense. You're a stand-up dude. For example, I would say Epi is a selfish player. He will act as he wishes no mater what others think. You were like that too imo, just not AS selfish as Epi. Does that make sense?

NOW, I am off to bed.

AHH, linki linki linki. Hey G, you know peewee is on netflix? Haha, my kids find it pretty hilarious

the tone of this post unnerves me. after leveling the vague accusation against MP and receiving a response, this very cordial concession is striking. every thought she expresses is tempered by a "but..." caveat, and it strikes me as a belabored effort to explain a rather frivolous thing. people who know Elo better than i know her might be able to lend insight here about her manner of communicating. does this post seem typical of her to any of you, specifically in terms of tone?

My "vague accusation" was just noticing MP was acting stange/different. It was no really an accusation, it was an observation.

What's wrong with "but". Do you want to lynch me b/c you don't like the way I write?

Elohcin wrote:

acrosstheaether wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I think Dragon is bad news. He's leaving himself little outs that he can use later.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 76#p142976

Good point.

I thought this could be restated again.

okay. why? i didn't like "good point" and i don't like this either. it's okay to be suspicious of someone, and it's okay to agree with a case presented by another player. but i need to know why those stances are being taken. such vague plantings of flags in camps is inherently suspicious to me.

I restated it for emphasis. I thought it was obvious.

Elohcin wrote:I don't know about you, but I think Elo is civ civ civ hehe

Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.

i like the distinct stances, but i still don't really know why these reads exist. what makes you feel the way you feel about these players?

It was late. I was tired and ready for bed. You all had exhausted me with your "yay game" excitement. I would have pursued a more thorough explanation the next day if MP hasn't blown up and cause me to focus solely on him.

overall i read Elo as more scum than town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Elohcin and her interactions with Golden prior to her vote for him:

Elohcin wrote:

Golden wrote:
In fact, I'd suggest that what Jay has experienced is a culture in which mostly the baddies try to look good. In contrast, I think the practice that has developed more strongly here (and at the contributing sites that make up 'here') is that the civilians try to look a bit bad, to avoid being NKed.

I agree with this.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:We've seen a little more from other players now. What do you folks think of Elo, Epi, Golden, G-Man, etc...?

I'll answer myself shortly.

I don't know about you, but I think Elo is civ civ civ hehe

Anyway, I am leaning civ on Epi, Golden, MM, Splints, and Jimmy. I am not sure about San, Sloo, DDL, MP, and BR.

bad start, Elohcin. her first direct statement about Golden was to say she were leaning civilian on him. minds are allowed to change, but it must take some serious convincing over the course of a single day phase. at first, he was one of her 5 civilian reads. 5 out of 18. he must have looked pretty solid to her.

I disagree. I think one's opinion can change in a day phase. Golden came in like his normal self and then started acting quiet and posting excuses for this or that. My opinion changed.

Elohcin wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:this might be called a slight backtrack. he doesn't understand TH's methods but grants some degree of validity to the assertion that he is off-meta in this game. i wouldn't know either way about his meta. this is a very minor ping if a ping at all though.

Off-perception of my meta. I don't think the idea that I'm off-meta is accurate, but I can at least understand that people find the games when I'm loudest most memorable, and I don't think genuinely perceiving me that way is unusual.

I'm glad to see TH is here. I want him to respond to some of the points I've made.

I know I have only played one game with you, but I think you are acting more reserved this game for sure. And, I do like TH's case on you so far.

the next time Elo acknowledges Golden is in this post, which is very different. can you please explain what changed between the previous post and this one which caused Golden to plummet all the way down your reads from a Top 5 civilian to this observation? Golden's play was consistent throughout the phase until the end when he went after Epignosis. so if his play didn't change, why did your perspective change so much?

Golden came in like his normal self and then started acting quiet and posting excuses for this or that. So, I do believe his game play changed. It was different than I was used to. Therefore, my opinion changed. And what a phrase to use - "Plummet all the way down". Everyone is so dramatic. I said I was leaning civ on him in the beginning. I didn't say. GOLDEN IS CIV! I am sure of it. I put him as GREEN GREEN GREEN on my rainbow list. Goodness gracious. I said I was leaning civ. Then I said, well, wait.....he is playing different, more reserved. Hmm, I need to think about this. Then at the end I said....Okay, voting Golden, he seems like he may be bad.

within the same post:

Elohcin wrote:And then that last quote there. I think I would be okay voting Golden or MP today.

this is a startling fall from grace. he was a Top 5 Civilian, and then he became a Top 2 Baddie.

Elohcin, that kind of change of heart demands a thorough explanation. what did you see in Golden at first that you liked? and why did that change? why did you like TH's case against Golden?

i think you look pretty bad here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:So Adam Smith targetted Malthus and stole his kill, if I'm getting it correctly. That means we have a townie who knows who the serial killer is. Awesome.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo's responses don't bode well for her.

I just can't see any reason to wait. This said, I still will discuss suspects.

Votes Elo

Sloonei wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I'm going to go ahead and vote TinyBubbles.

this is twice that you've voted very early in the day phase. Is this a typical thing in games here where votes can't be changed? Even if it is, I can't help but raise an eyebrow and ask lots of questions. Namely: why? Both "Why TinyBubbles?" and "Why so soon?"

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:You want me to paddle you, G-Man? Have you been a bad boy?

Sloonei wrote:Also, do any of this community's regulars have tips for us noobs on how to proceed with the scumhuntery sans role reveals?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo's responses don't bode well for her.

I just can't see any reason to wait. This said, I still will discuss suspects.

Votes Elo

why don't you like her responses? what could she have said that you would have liked?

and there's always a reason to wait when you only get one vote all day long.

MovingPictures07 wrote:It's interesting that you disagree because literally every defense she has made seems fabricated to me. I still can't fathom how she hasn't made up all of her thoughts on everyone.

Normally I would agree with you; I almost always wait until the last possible minute. She has defended herself plenty now and only convinced me further that she's mafia.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:It's interesting that you disagree because literally every defense she has made seems fabricated to me. I still can't fathom how she hasn't made up all of her thoughts on everyone.

Normally I would agree with you; I almost always wait until the last possible minute. She has defended herself plenty now and only convinced me further that she's mafia.

you might be right. i think it is important though to state what she could have said which would have given you pause. was it possible for her to give you pause? do you think you might be tunneling?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hope that makes sense.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hope that makes sense.

it does. here's a separate question: she at one point insinuated that you might be a selfish player at times -- which could be perceived as a strong criticism and potentially even offensive (i am sure she didn't mean it to be). given your experience playing with her, do you think she has the personality to employ that kind of harsh accusation as a mafia tactic?

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MovingPictures07 wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:It's interesting that you disagree because literally every defense she has made seems fabricated to me. I still can't fathom how she hasn't made up all of her thoughts on everyone.

Normally I would agree with you; I almost always wait until the last possible minute. She has defended herself plenty now and only convinced me further that she's mafia.

you might be right. i think it is important though to state what she could have said which would have given you pause. was it possible for her to give you pause? do you think you might be tunneling?

Throughout all of her defenses, if she could have explained why, with explanations, why she was leaning civilian on a handful of people, why she was leaning not sure on those other people, and why she voted for Golden even though she was giving me the BotD, despite me having clearly calmed down by then, etc. She doesn't even seem to recognize that I'm playing this game normally, she keeps harping on how emotional I am and trying to discredit my opinions. If Elo were civilian, she'd be MUCH more open minded to me and other players. In addition, in her defenses, she kept repeating over and over again why we really thought she was bad and how all she saw was vague accusations, which couldn't have been further from the truth. It's all manipulation.

If instead she had recognized, OK, yes, I realize my vote looks bad, but here's what I was thinking, and laid it out, instead not trying to discredit my or anyone else's opinions, recognizing she had read her accusations, etc., then I would have paused about her.

Instead, it just seems like she first tried to discredit all of us by acting like the suspicion was coming out of nowhere and that it wasn't explained, then now she's desperately trying to make stuff up to cover her tracks.

Hope that makes sense.