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what do you think about Neverwhere's posts?nutella wrote:Not sure. Depending on how today turns out I might still want to look at LC, and possibly Tiny. I'm also interested in the suspicion on Sig and am keeping an eye on him. I am looking forward to hearing more from BR, and others who have seemed particularly blendy like Bass and DF.
Would you ever be suspicious of Black Rock early in a game?fingersplints wrote:I don't think BR is suspicious atm.
Economics?Epignosis wrote:Would you ever be suspicious of Black Rock early in a game?fingersplints wrote:I don't think BR is suspicious atm.
Why not? Who do you think is suspicious right now? Cobalt and Long Con excluded.fingersplints wrote:I don't think BR is suspicious atm.
Cobalt wrote:You won't need to look into LC, he's dying today.
I've been putting my affairs in order.sorry submitted.fingersplints wrote:I don't think BR is suspicious atm.
I think it would be worth our time if we all reviewed the posts from today to see which players seemed most unwilling to discuss other names and how everyone acted about this big distraction of a day. That will be a worthwhile angle to pursue tomorrow, imo. along with all the usual stuff.Golden wrote:I agree - and unfortunately that is why things like LC/Cobalt DO derail threads and games. If everyone could simply filter it out and focus on the other suspicions, then it wouldn't be a big thing. But what really happens? Every vote goes in on Cobalt or LC, and there is little discussion of others.
Although I will say, I was pleasantly surprised by how many separate people responded to my question about BR.
Also - Hedgeowl, I'm looking forward to your elaboration about your 'false' statement. I went back and read your posts, and stand by my assessment.
I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.Golden wrote:splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?
Somewhat neutral. Her earlier posts give me a civvie-leaning vibe, but like LC said it's odd how she jumped on BR's clearly-not-a-slip-up, and based on what she said about Cobalt in a couple posts I would maybe look her way for a possible teammate if he turns out to be bad.Sloonei wrote:what do you think about Neverwhere's posts?nutella wrote:Not sure. Depending on how today turns out I might still want to look at LC, and possibly Tiny. I'm also interested in the suspicion on Sig and am keeping an eye on him. I am looking forward to hearing more from BR, and others who have seemed particularly blendy like Bass and DF.
Wasn't a joke. After I died, I didn't follow the last game much.fingersplints wrote:I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.Golden wrote:splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?
Probably shouldn't make assumptions with Epi though
Epignosis wrote:I was hoping I'd wake up to BR's response to my questions.Golden wrote:I'd really like to get a few people's views on Black Rock.
Since people are voting already, I'll explain what's on my mind:
On this forum, if you leave an unpublished post in a tab for too long, it will say something to the effect of "The submitted form is no longer valid" or "This page has expire; please refresh." I forget the exact wording, but I know it has happened from time to time to me. It's no big deal: You hit F5 and your content is still there.
But Black Rock made it sound like posting what she did was an accident, like she had the wrong tab open or something (one that was left up for 12 hours?). Plus the "I forgot to press submit once and came back 12 hours later to see my post sitting there and then it got caught up in linkitis and then I failed" doesn't make sense from a technical standpoint.
The whole thing, I feel like most of your posts have been opportunistic.Bass_the_Clever wrote:Really? What part of it or the whole thing?Black Rock wrote:Posted to quick. This post sounds like you are talking out your ass, no offense. You smell bad.Black Rock wrote:What? Flash ring any bells?Bass_the_Clever wrote:My top suspect is still cobalt. When I was doing my six page catch up I got a bad vibe from LC when he switched his vote after saying he wasnt going to be around. Today LC is starting to read more normal to me, so I have him in a gray area. The problem i'm having is trying to remember what mafia LC looks like. I know he was Indy in RR but I think the only game I have seen him be bad in was my first mafia game ever Supernatural Mafia on Rev. I got a slight ping from DF when he made the comment about me not saying anything because I think this is the most I have ever posted in a game this early. I felt like he is skipping over stuff and I tend to think baddies skim and skip stuff because they arent really worried about catching any mafia.Turnip Head wrote:Who are your suspects today Bass?
There are a lot of people who I would like to hear more from when they get caught up.
Sloonei was the first one to bring up the "slip" in the first place. What do you make of him?nutella wrote:Somewhat neutral. Her earlier posts give me a civvie-leaning vibe, but like LC said it's odd how she jumped on BR's clearly-not-a-slip-up, and based on what she said about Cobalt in a couple posts I would maybe look her way for a possible teammate if he turns out to be bad.Sloonei wrote:what do you think about Neverwhere's posts?nutella wrote:Not sure. Depending on how today turns out I might still want to look at LC, and possibly Tiny. I'm also interested in the suspicion on Sig and am keeping an eye on him. I am looking forward to hearing more from BR, and others who have seemed particularly blendy like Bass and DF.
I suspected BR that game before you died though. That's why I thought it was a joke. Anyways to answer your previous question then, yes I would and have been suspicious of BR early in a game.Epignosis wrote:Wasn't a joke. After I died, I didn't follow the last game much.fingersplints wrote:I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.Golden wrote:splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?
Probably shouldn't make assumptions with Epi though
I raised a point about Black Rock, which is why I suspect her. I haven't heard from her (or anybody) about it.
I wasn't paying attention to you.fingersplints wrote:I suspected BR that game before you died though. That's why I thought it was a joke. Anyways to answer your previous question then, yes I would and have been suspicious of BR early in a game.Epignosis wrote:Wasn't a joke. After I died, I didn't follow the last game much.fingersplints wrote:I assumed he was making a joke since I obviously went after BR pretty hard super early in the last game.Golden wrote:splints, what do you make of that comment by epi. Does he have any reason you can think of to presume you wouldn't suspect BR early?
Probably shouldn't make assumptions with Epi though
I raised a point about Black Rock, which is why I suspect her. I haven't heard from her (or anybody) about it.
What do you mean opportunistic?Black Rock wrote:Epignosis wrote:I was hoping I'd wake up to BR's response to my questions.Golden wrote:I'd really like to get a few people's views on Black Rock.
Since people are voting already, I'll explain what's on my mind:
On this forum, if you leave an unpublished post in a tab for too long, it will say something to the effect of "The submitted form is no longer valid" or "This page has expire; please refresh." I forget the exact wording, but I know it has happened from time to time to me. It's no big deal: You hit F5 and your content is still there.
But Black Rock made it sound like posting what she did was an accident, like she had the wrong tab open or something (one that was left up for 12 hours?). Plus the "I forgot to press submit once and came back 12 hours later to see my post sitting there and then it got caught up in linkitis and then I failed" doesn't make sense from a technical standpoint.
Just picked up a third job by accident last night and I have been working all day, sorry to disappoint you. I'm actually at this post...
The whole thing, I feel like most of your posts have been opportunistic.Bass_the_Clever wrote:Really? What part of it or the whole thing?Black Rock wrote:Posted to quick. This post sounds like you are talking out your ass, no offense. You smell bad.Black Rock wrote:What? Flash ring any bells?Bass_the_Clever wrote:My top suspect is still cobalt. When I was doing my six page catch up I got a bad vibe from LC when he switched his vote after saying he wasnt going to be around. Today LC is starting to read more normal to me, so I have him in a gray area. The problem i'm having is trying to remember what mafia LC looks like. I know he was Indy in RR but I think the only game I have seen him be bad in was my first mafia game ever Supernatural Mafia on Rev. I got a slight ping from DF when he made the comment about me not saying anything because I think this is the most I have ever posted in a game this early. I felt like he is skipping over stuff and I tend to think baddies skim and skip stuff because they arent really worried about catching any mafia.Turnip Head wrote:Who are your suspects today Bass?
There are a lot of people who I would like to hear more from when they get caught up.
For TH, my post that didn't post just said I'm keeping a close eye on you just because. Trying to rev you up.
Dinner is now ready, it's my brother in laws birthday and so I will be back after we eat and sing happy birthday or something. I hope the poll isn't over soonish. I'll address Epig then.
Golden you are full of shit if you think I'm posting less content in early game than normal. I'm BR that's what I do unless I have an info role to lead the way.
And this one from night one:Black Rock wrote:I'm really having a hard time with this lynch. Plus my sister calls me like 5 mins ago to talk, I had to tell her I have Mafia to vote in. She thinks I'm a little crazy but got off the phone.
Ok, here's a start of a list.
MM - I feel like he was called out on the self vote and then people came to his rescue. I liked LC's point but wasn't completely sold. MP points out he's done it a lot recently, MM then proves he hasn't. To me that just adds to what LC said and he was a baddie in film that self-voted and could be playing the same safe tactic. Who knows. I'm not likely to vote for him at this point because it looks awfully like a bandwagon, which makes me think he's civ.
Juliets has been a little flip floppy but she still sounds like the charming civ she always does.
Zombie girl does seem a little different in this game and maybe she is struggling with being a baddie. I know I did my first.
I am going to go back and read Goldens case on Aces, I know them both well and maybe I can see something there. The first time I tried to read it my sister called.
I think every one else I have nothing to say about or look civvie. Except for Rabbit who is evil either way.
Stop posting, I'm running out of time here.
So - don't go saying I'm full of shit that you give content as a civ early in the game.Black Rock wrote:Ugh! I hate doing this but Rabbit you are making a mountain of a mole hill and painting your own scene. Maybe I just read the thread differently than you but you are putting way too much credit on LC. His original post towards MM was HOURS before the vote was up. It was a singular that he had left alone. Yet you give him all the credit because a bunch of people took it as an easy way out?
MM Voters.
Metalmarsh89 - self voted, caused the suspicion
AceofSpaces - the baddie
juliets - seemed shifty this day period, one to watch
Bass_the_Clever - Came in and took an easy way out quoting LC
nijuukyugou - I can't remember anything about her at this point.
Zomberella12 - Thinks aces is an asset (she's new)
Long Con - The original one to call MM on the self vote, imo the most valid vote here
Canucklehead - The last vote on Aces, one of the more suspect to me at this point.
Voter suspects in general.
MP - Decided to vote off after MM had quite a lead
Rabbit - Decided to stay away from the two top vote getters at an important time when his vote could have mattered
Splints - decided to go after Zomba, with the 11th vote tied her with aces. Possibly trying to give voters another option
My list would be as follows at this moment:
1) MP
2) Bass
3) Rabbit
4) Splints
5)Juliets/Canuck I put these two on the same line because I feel sameish about them.
By no means does Aces turning up baddie make MM civvie by default. I don't suspect him at this point but there is still a possibility for now.
Linki Rabbit: It was not the deciding vote. Even if in your opinion it was. By possible votes after it could have changed. Even you could have changed your mind. Canucks vote is the vote that made it impossible for Aces to be in the lead.
It isn't, but it doesn't seem to bother you that you may be addressing me after the poll is over.Black Rock wrote:I hope the poll isn't over soonish. I'll address Epig then.
But it's still not a very strong read, and it doesn't have the appearance of an original case, so I'm not gonna say this makes him look great, but it's at least a good sign that there's some consistency in a few of his posts. I'd be willing to put Bass just barely on the slight-town side of my rainbow at the moment, but that is subject to change (in either direction) depending on his contributions later on. I need to hear a lot more from Bass, but he's off to a pretty decent start in my opinion.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I think Black Rock has been super quiet and said just enough just to get by. I will be keeping my eye on her.Golden wrote:I'd really like to get a few people's views on Black Rock.
No, the last post is me referring to a post that I never posted. The one that never posted was where I referred to TH. I forgot I never posted it at first.Epignosis wrote:What post never went through and you said "screw it?" This one?Black Rock wrote:Oh crap, that was the post that never went through and I got pissed off and said screw it.
Well, maybe I'll get his attention now.
I'm confused. Is that post what you were referring to when you said this?Black Rock wrote:I might vote for TH this time. He didn't even give me a roll eyes, likely he doesn't want to get me charged up and wants to stay under the radar. Under the radar is exactly how I feel he is playing this game.
Black Rock wrote:I am so sorry about my lack of communication day 1. I tried to post a couple of times. I forgot to press submit once and came back 12 hours later to see my post sitting there and then it got caught up in linkitis and then I failed. That's what I get for rushing about. My schedule is a lot more open for the next couple of weeks so I will have time for Mafia.
I'll always put family and work over a game. If this bothers you then voting for me is the right thing for you to do at this point. It doesn't make me bad, I just have my priorities in the right order. Dogging me won't make you look good.Epignosis wrote:It isn't, but it doesn't seem to bother you that you may be addressing me after the poll is over.Black Rock wrote:I hope the poll isn't over soonish. I'll address Epig then.
Voted.
Are you saying that people who are suspicious of you are purposefully misdirecting the thread by putting attention on you? Surely you do not think you should be above suspicion.TinyBubbles wrote:Put my vote in for long con, because there are far too many votes on cobalt right now, i dont trust that thre's not a scummy reason to get him lynched (even if he is mafia). Could be a willing sacrifice, to call attention away from the others. And long can has been slightly suspicious from the start, though i dont know him fromprevious games so cant be sure its not just his usual style. He seemed an easy target last poll so i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. however now there is no point, most likely cobalt's going to get lynched.
And sorry for not posting much. some posts have seemed kind of hostile, made me reluctant to involve myself. I am still around though
I think i recall bass suspecting i'm scum? I dont know if that was just meant to provoke a reaction or if it's his real opinion. Either way it's fishy.. and yes, for the 1000th time im still civ and will be civ ALL GAME and if you think that it's scummy of me to reiterate that, you don't really know me at all or you're misdirecting.
I don't care about looking good.Black Rock wrote:I'll always put family and work over a game. If this bothers you then voting for me is the right thing for you to do at this point. It doesn't make me bad, I just have my priorities in the right order. Dogging me won't make you look good.Epignosis wrote:It isn't, but it doesn't seem to bother you that you may be addressing me after the poll is over.Black Rock wrote:I hope the poll isn't over soonish. I'll address Epig then.
Voted.
Anybody with work and family and good sense can say this.Black Rock wrote:I'll always put family and work over a game. If this bothers you then voting for me is the right thing for you to do at this point. It doesn't make me bad, I just have my priorities in the right order. Dogging me won't make you look good.
Something to keep in mind if he's on the poll tomorrow.Golden wrote:I think epi looks bad. It's all that dogging of BR he's doing.
Not necessarily, but i wouldnt be surprised.if i was mafia id be wanting to call attention to a particular person and then pretend to have a debate about them with a baddie teammate,. Just to get people's stance on them. I think real civs dont form strong opinions about any one person unless there is a lot of evidence or its close to lynch time. Also dont get into tight knit conversations about that person unless the thread is already moving in that direction. I dunno maybe im wrongSloonei wrote:Are you saying that people who are suspicious of you are purposefully misdirecting the thread by putting attention on you? Surely you do not think you should be above suspicion.TinyBubbles wrote:Put my vote in for long con, because there are far too many votes on cobalt right now, i dont trust that thre's not a scummy reason to get him lynched (even if he is mafia). Could be a willing sacrifice, to call attention away from the others. And long can has been slightly suspicious from the start, though i dont know him fromprevious games so cant be sure its not just his usual style. He seemed an easy target last poll so i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. however now there is no point, most likely cobalt's going to get lynched.
And sorry for not posting much. some posts have seemed kind of hostile, made me reluctant to involve myself. I am still around though
I think i recall bass suspecting i'm scum? I dont know if that was just meant to provoke a reaction or if it's his real opinion. Either way it's fishy.. and yes, for the 1000th time im still civ and will be civ ALL GAME and if you think that it's scummy of me to reiterate that, you don't really know me at all or you're misdirecting.
Of all the people who have accused you, who do you get the scummiest vibes from?
How have I completely switched gears? My #1 suspect has enough votes to do him in, I think. I am therefore free to pursue other suspicions, and you are it.Black Rock wrote:Epignosis, I find it very odd how your opinions haven't changed since you have a new role and you have completely switched gears. Bass your teammate?
I think this post is a pretty good illustration of the change I've perceived between Epi 1 and Epi 2. You give a lot of reasons to be suspicious of Black Rock here, but I'm not seeing many places in your post history where you back it up or point to actual "flakiness" or similarities to past games. This does case does not feel as convincing (or convinced) as your previous ones. Does anyone else perceive these or other differences in Epi's posts?Epignosis wrote:I don't care about looking good.Black Rock wrote:I'll always put family and work over a game. If this bothers you then voting for me is the right thing for you to do at this point. It doesn't make me bad, I just have my priorities in the right order. Dogging me won't make you look good.Epignosis wrote:It isn't, but it doesn't seem to bother you that you may be addressing me after the poll is over.Black Rock wrote:I hope the poll isn't over soonish. I'll address Epig then.
Voted.
I work and have a million projects going on, and I have in-laws here who outnumber my family. I just made a delicious lasagna. Everyone has real life. Nobody here is a robot. So none of that matters to me in the context of this game, as none of it has any bearing on what role PM you got. I am not saying you are bad because you aren't posting a lot or posting when I want you to. I think you know that.
What DOES make you look bad:
I've been bad with you a few times recently and I am detecting some similarities.
Your posts not posting (the only time I have ever had that happen to me was at work because someone swore up a storm right before I posted and so the work filter kicked in). Technological issues with no precedent on my end raise my eyebrow.
The way you word things are flaky.
You missed the Day 1 vote (Yes ma'am, I find that suspicious, not because you have a reason for missing it). I find the content of your posts Day 0 and Day 1 suspicious in conjunction with missing the vote.
Finally, defending yourself by:
Anybody with work and family and good sense can say this.Black Rock wrote:I'll always put family and work over a game. If this bothers you then voting for me is the right thing for you to do at this point. It doesn't make me bad, I just have my priorities in the right order. Dogging me won't make you look good.
Doesn't make you good.
And no, dogging you doesn't make me look bad.
people tend not to claim townie/civ because the point of the game is that we're all supposed to be townies/civilians. It should go without saying. That does not have to mean there's anything wrong with claiming it, just that it is often going to raise eyebrows every time somebody does. What about Bass gives you scummiest vibes? Can you point to any specific posts? I'm glad to see we seem to agree about Epi 2.TinyBubbles wrote:Not necessarily, but i wouldnt be surprised.if i was mafia id be wanting to call attention to a particular person and then pretend to have a debate about them with a baddie teammate,. Just to get people's stance on them. I think real civs dont form strong opinions about any one person unless there is a lot of evidence or its close to lynch time. Also dont get into tight knit conversations about that person unless the thread is already moving in that direction. I dunno maybe im wrongSloonei wrote:Are you saying that people who are suspicious of you are purposefully misdirecting the thread by putting attention on you? Surely you do not think you should be above suspicion.TinyBubbles wrote:Put my vote in for long con, because there are far too many votes on cobalt right now, i dont trust that thre's not a scummy reason to get him lynched (even if he is mafia). Could be a willing sacrifice, to call attention away from the others. And long can has been slightly suspicious from the start, though i dont know him fromprevious games so cant be sure its not just his usual style. He seemed an easy target last poll so i wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. however now there is no point, most likely cobalt's going to get lynched.
And sorry for not posting much. some posts have seemed kind of hostile, made me reluctant to involve myself. I am still around though
I think i recall bass suspecting i'm scum? I dont know if that was just meant to provoke a reaction or if it's his real opinion. Either way it's fishy.. and yes, for the 1000th time im still civ and will be civ ALL GAME and if you think that it's scummy of me to reiterate that, you don't really know me at all or you're misdirecting.
Of all the people who have accused you, who do you get the scummiest vibes from?
And of course, not saying im above suspicion. But im not trying to shift attention on anyone in particular, and what have i said thats so suspicious? Other that saying im civvie? Honestly im more surprised other people dont claim it if they are. i just dont want to be lynched early, i would love to see how this game develops towards the end and i want to be a part of that.
Scummiest vibes.. probably bass. And from everyone else, im getting some scummy vibes from hedgeowl and black rock.
Neverwhere seems to be exactly the same as in previous games, but she was baddie in those games. Not sure about how i feel about her.
Also Epi 2.0 is not giving off the same vibes as original Epi, and i dont believe RL is the only reason. On my radar
I don't have the same role I used to have.Sloonei wrote:I think this post is a pretty good illustration of the change I've perceived between Epi 1 and Epi 2. You give a lot of reasons to be suspicious of Black Rock here, but I'm not seeing many places in your post history where you back it up or point to actual "flakiness" or similarities to past games. This does case does not feel as convincing (or convinced) as your previous ones. Does anyone else perceive these or other differences in Epi's posts?Epignosis wrote:I don't care about looking good.Black Rock wrote:I'll always put family and work over a game. If this bothers you then voting for me is the right thing for you to do at this point. It doesn't make me bad, I just have my priorities in the right order. Dogging me won't make you look good.Epignosis wrote:It isn't, but it doesn't seem to bother you that you may be addressing me after the poll is over.Black Rock wrote:I hope the poll isn't over soonish. I'll address Epig then.
Voted.
I work and have a million projects going on, and I have in-laws here who outnumber my family. I just made a delicious lasagna. Everyone has real life. Nobody here is a robot. So none of that matters to me in the context of this game, as none of it has any bearing on what role PM you got. I am not saying you are bad because you aren't posting a lot or posting when I want you to. I think you know that.
What DOES make you look bad:
I've been bad with you a few times recently and I am detecting some similarities.
Your posts not posting (the only time I have ever had that happen to me was at work because someone swore up a storm right before I posted and so the work filter kicked in). Technological issues with no precedent on my end raise my eyebrow.
The way you word things are flaky.
You missed the Day 1 vote (Yes ma'am, I find that suspicious, not because you have a reason for missing it). I find the content of your posts Day 0 and Day 1 suspicious in conjunction with missing the vote.
Finally, defending yourself by:
Anybody with work and family and good sense can say this.Black Rock wrote:I'll always put family and work over a game. If this bothers you then voting for me is the right thing for you to do at this point. It doesn't make me bad, I just have my priorities in the right order. Dogging me won't make you look good.
Doesn't make you good.
And no, dogging you doesn't make me look bad.
How would you respond, Epi?
I'll give my rainbow list.Why am I so blue? Is this thing completely random?
